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3 Unanswered (as yet) Wembley questions
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AFKABartram said:
I think they are done in alternates, as around 125 we had one that was largely standard troughs, yet the one next to it was all traps.fenlandaddick said:Only question I have was why so few traps in the men's toilets? I was up in the gods this time, but when walking into the loo expected to see a sea of cubicles. There were 2. 🥺 Nervous times for a nervous football supporter.Thinking about it. I reckon the second one is resigned as men / women depending on the event and audience structure.
Was there a noticeable shortage of women toilets? We certainly had a higher percentage of women there than an organiser would probably expect for a football match
we were an all male group so never ventured into the women's loos. There were plenty of bars and food outlets in the concourse, so in that respect well organised and designed. I never left my seat til the end of the match and we got to seats early, but there was quite a queue down the stairs to the exit of the blocks at half time. Cleared fairly quickly mind.0 -
I remember watching a vlog after we’d played Birmingham at home a few years ago. The vlogger asked some Brum fans, ‘What did you think of the game?’ The reply was, ‘What was the score in the end?’ They’d spent the entire second half on the concourse.throughthickandthin said:Where I sit at the Valley I have a perfect view of the away fans bar behind the score board. It amazes me how long fans stay in the bar and miss huge chunks of the match having travelled, in many cases hundreds of miles, to be there.
Still I suppose each to their own, they paid their money just I have so they are entitled to do what they like.
Who I am I to argue if an away fan wants to pay for the over priced beer served at The Valley0 -
I loved walking in and seeing a dozen traps a couple of hours before kick off , heaven
Probably my first pooooo at football since ht at Middlesbrough away 1999 (just checked cos the grand national was on when I was on the khazi )11 -
hope you didn't have a refusal.oohaahmortimer said:I loved walking in and seeing a dozen traps a couple of hours before kick off , heaven
Probably my first pooooo at football since ht at Middlesbrough away 1999 (just checked cos the grand national was on when I was on the khazi )8 -
No this one was trying to get out before the official start time but bolted out double quick and some once it startedgringo said:
hope you didn't have a refusal.oohaahmortimer said:I loved walking in and seeing a dozen traps a couple of hours before kick off , heaven
Probably my first pooooo at football since ht at Middlesbrough away 1999 (just checked cos the grand national was on when I was on the khazi )9 -
I should hope not too.fenlandaddick said:AFKABartram said:
I think they are done in alternates, as around 125 we had one that was largely standard troughs, yet the one next to it was all traps.fenlandaddick said:Only question I have was why so few traps in the men's toilets? I was up in the gods this time, but when walking into the loo expected to see a sea of cubicles. There were 2. 🥺 Nervous times for a nervous football supporter.Thinking about it. I reckon the second one is resigned as men / women depending on the event and audience structure.
Was there a noticeable shortage of women toilets? We certainly had a higher percentage of women there than an organiser would probably expect for a football match
we were an all male group so never ventured into the women's loos. .I meant they change the signage of some toilet units that are cubicle only, depending on the event and expected audience. Pretty clever tbh5 -
More importantly did the locks work?fenlandaddick said:Only question I have was why so few traps in the men's toilets? I was up in the gods this time, but when walking into the loo expected to see a sea of cubicles. There were 2 on each side 🥺 Nervous times for a nervous football supporter.1 -
Apparently Charlton asked Wembley for more urinals but they said no ! 😉😆AFKABartram said:
I should hope not too.fenlandaddick said:AFKABartram said:
I think they are done in alternates, as around 125 we had one that was largely standard troughs, yet the one next to it was all traps.fenlandaddick said:Only question I have was why so few traps in the men's toilets? I was up in the gods this time, but when walking into the loo expected to see a sea of cubicles. There were 2. 🥺 Nervous times for a nervous football supporter.Thinking about it. I reckon the second one is resigned as men / women depending on the event and audience structure.
Was there a noticeable shortage of women toilets? We certainly had a higher percentage of women there than an organiser would probably expect for a football match
we were an all male group so never ventured into the women's loos. .I meant they change the signage of some toilet units that are cubicle only, depending on the event and expected audience. Pretty clever tbh11 -
I believe they're putting a blue plaque up today.oohaahmortimer said:I loved walking in and seeing a dozen traps a couple of hours before kick off , heaven
Probably my first pooooo at football since ht at Middlesbrough away 1999 (just checked cos the grand national was on when I was on the khazi )10 -
Those affected can contact Charlton/Wembley for reimbursement. From Wembley's perspective, checking ID wouldn't have worked as somebody could have printed off their ticket twice, sent their mate in, then tried to get in themself afterwards.Gisappointed said:7. Who was responsible for the double scanning issue, the club or Wembley? Was it present on Saturday? Is it being investigated? Why was nobody from the club or Wembley available to deal with victims? Its not as though the place was full. Not too difficult to request ID from people in seats, and most punters can prove payments on their phone.
There was a school group, presumably a private one, in there during our game.Off_it said:I would add into the above;
4. why was that block on halfway opposite the royal box not sold? It had been sectioned off at both sides and the stewards were sat at the far end. I'm assuming that was probably the empty bit of both sides had sold out, but they didn't, so why not let us have it?
Another school had block 251 (Club Wembley) during the AFC Wimbledon game.
It's possible that it was the same school, but I think it would be unlikely for them to wear blazers during the Charlton game and not during the Wimbledon game.
My assumption is that a school gets a block at each game and that they got Club Wembley for the League Two Playoff final due to their not being enough interest, while League One had too much interest from Club Wembley members, so they got block 227 preventing fans from getting tickets.0 -
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When the final whistle blow and the Red Red Robin song started, was that played to the whole of Wembley are just the Charlton half?0
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I hope he didn't have a late burst on the homeward straight.gringo said:
hope you didn't have a refusal.oohaahmortimer said:I loved walking in and seeing a dozen traps a couple of hours before kick off , heaven
Probably my first pooooo at football since ht at Middlesbrough away 1999 (just checked cos the grand national was on when I was on the khazi )0 -
There were football teams of school aged kids, as they played on the pitch earlier in the day having won some sort of competitionEric10 said:
Those affected can contact Charlton/Wembley for reimbursement. From Wembley's perspective, checking ID wouldn't have worked as somebody could have printed off their ticket twice, sent their mate in, then tried to get in themself afterwards.Gisappointed said:7. Who was responsible for the double scanning issue, the club or Wembley? Was it present on Saturday? Is it being investigated? Why was nobody from the club or Wembley available to deal with victims? Its not as though the place was full. Not too difficult to request ID from people in seats, and most punters can prove payments on their phone.
There was a school group, presumably a private one, in there during our game.Off_it said:I would add into the above;
4. why was that block on halfway opposite the royal box not sold? It had been sectioned off at both sides and the stewards were sat at the far end. I'm assuming that was probably the empty bit of both sides had sold out, but they didn't, so why not let us have it?
Another school had block 251 (Club Wembley) during the AFC Wimbledon game.
It's possible that it was the same school, but I think it would be unlikely for them to wear blazers during the Charlton game and not during the Wimbledon game.
My assumption is that a school gets a block at each game and that they got Club Wembley for the League Two Playoff final due to their not being enough interest, while League One had too much interest from Club Wembley members, so they got block 227 preventing fans from getting tickets.0 -
I don't think we're talking about the same section.Eric10 said:
Those affected can contact Charlton/Wembley for reimbursement. From Wembley's perspective, checking ID wouldn't have worked as somebody could have printed off their ticket twice, sent their mate in, then tried to get in themself afterwards.Gisappointed said:7. Who was responsible for the double scanning issue, the club or Wembley? Was it present on Saturday? Is it being investigated? Why was nobody from the club or Wembley available to deal with victims? Its not as though the place was full. Not too difficult to request ID from people in seats, and most punters can prove payments on their phone.
There was a school group, presumably a private one, in there during our game.Off_it said:I would add into the above;
4. why was that block on halfway opposite the royal box not sold? It had been sectioned off at both sides and the stewards were sat at the far end. I'm assuming that was probably the empty bit of both sides had sold out, but they didn't, so why not let us have it?
Another school had block 251 (Club Wembley) during the AFC Wimbledon game.
It's possible that it was the same school, but I think it would be unlikely for them to wear blazers during the Charlton game and not during the Wimbledon game.
My assumption is that a school gets a block at each game and that they got Club Wembley for the League Two Playoff final due to their not being enough interest, while League One had too much interest from Club Wembley members, so they got block 227 preventing fans from getting tickets.
I'm referring to the the block in the top tier behind the commentary positions - as per the picture below. You can also see the vertical line of empty seats to the right of it in this picture as well. Would be interested to know why these seats weren't made available, or if they were then who didn't turn up?
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At least the traps had locks on them.fenlandaddick said:Only question I have was why so few traps in the men's toilets? I was up in the gods this time, but when walking into the loo expected to see a sea of cubicles. There were 2 on each side 🥺 Nervous times for a nervous football supporter.3 -
& Why not ? As the song goes "We'll be running round Wembley with our willies hanging out"Off_it said:
What on earth is your problem? We sold 40,000 tickets. Would you have preferred that we'd only sold 10,000 to "regulars" who passed some sort of test you set for them?soapboxsam said:Kindoncasella said:
I was in 552 and the queue for the toilet was very long, probably because of the segreation, i assume the toilet on the other side was blocked off?soapboxsam said:Why did some of our so called fans come back to their seat after 55 minutes and miss 10 minutes of the 2nd half ?
I know on the fifth level there were queues for the Loo's and the high percentage of alcoholics at football matches always need another drink but it was a Play off final not some boring low key game when we are mid table at Accrington Stanley or Fleetwood.
Wear your Tena pants to absorb 🥵 and don't miss a second of the game 😀
Anyway i got back to the game at about 55 mins, i had a look around when i came out of the toilet and people were just standing round having/queing for a food/drink which i thought was strange..
Secondly, anyone else think the heart attack thing was out of place? I mean i understand that its good gesture and needs to be made aware but there is a place and time. Who needs to see/hear a heart beat 1 min before the biggest game of the season when tension is already high.
Thanks for answering my Question and confirming what I thought that many were only there for the beer and treating the day like a Beano. With 40k in the Charlton sections its not a total surprise that the match was just part of the day and not the most important match we had played in over 5 years for some people.
I genuinely don't understand this attitude that comes out whenever we get a big crowd. People start trying to score points and wave their dicks about as to how they're a true fan and everyone else is a plastic / tourist / "so called fan".
Everyone had to start somewhere, and Wembley is as good a place as anywhere.3 -
LargeAddick said:
At least the traps had locks on them.fenlandaddick said:Only question I have was why so few traps in the men's toilets? I was up in the gods this time, but when walking into the loo expected to see a sea of cubicles. There were 2 on each side 🥺 Nervous times for a nervous football supporter.Yep, let's hope getting to the second tier gets us some new toilet cubicles. Otherwise it's M&S loos as normal before the match.It's not just a toilet... It's an M&S toilet3 -
Plaque would be brown surely…iaitch said:
I believe they're putting a blue plaque up today.oohaahmortimer said:I loved walking in and seeing a dozen traps a couple of hours before kick off , heaven
Probably my first pooooo at football since ht at Middlesbrough away 1999 (just checked cos the grand national was on when I was on the khazi )1 -
Off_it said:
What on earth is your problem? We sold 40,000 tickets. Would you have preferred that we'd only sold 10,000 to "regulars" who passed some sort of test you set for them?soapboxsam said:Kindoncasella said:
I was in 552 and the queue for the toilet was very long, probably because of the segreation, i assume the toilet on the other side was blocked off?soapboxsam said:Why did some of our so called fans come back to their seat after 55 minutes and miss 10 minutes of the 2nd half ?
I know on the fifth level there were queues for the Loo's and the high percentage of alcoholics at football matches always need another drink but it was a Play off final not some boring low key game when we are mid table at Accrington Stanley or Fleetwood.
Wear your Tena pants to absorb 🥵 and don't miss a second of the game 😀
Anyway i got back to the game at about 55 mins, i had a look around when i came out of the toilet and people were just standing round having/queing for a food/drink which i thought was strange..
Secondly, anyone else think the heart attack thing was out of place? I mean i understand that its good gesture and needs to be made aware but there is a place and time. Who needs to see/hear a heart beat 1 min before the biggest game of the season when tension is already high.
Thanks for answering my Question and confirming what I thought that many were only there for the beer and treating the day like a Beano. With 40k in the Charlton sections its not a total surprise that the match was just part of the day and not the most important match we had played in over 5 years for some people.
I genuinely don't understand this attitude that comes out whenever we get a big crowd. People start trying to score points and wave their dicks about as to how they're a true fan and everyone else is a plastic / tourist / "so called fan".
Everyone had to start somewhere, and Wembley is as good a place as anywhere.That's all I've seen on BookFace. This weird gatekeeping of what a "true fan" is. I haven't been to The Valley at all over the past season for various reasons, and have never held a season ticket, but over 30-odd years I have been to a hell of a lot of games (home and away), perhaps 200+. I just buy tickets as and when I feel like it. That was harder during the Premiership days, but thankfully my Dad was getting tickets through the Supporters' Club. Lifelong dedication through thick and thin earned me my place in the stands on Sunday and not even one beer passed my lips, but that was mainly due to the prices (!).0 -
What’s the relevance of you not having a beer ?Fiiiiish said:Off_it said:
What on earth is your problem? We sold 40,000 tickets. Would you have preferred that we'd only sold 10,000 to "regulars" who passed some sort of test you set for them?soapboxsam said:Kindoncasella said:
I was in 552 and the queue for the toilet was very long, probably because of the segreation, i assume the toilet on the other side was blocked off?soapboxsam said:Why did some of our so called fans come back to their seat after 55 minutes and miss 10 minutes of the 2nd half ?
I know on the fifth level there were queues for the Loo's and the high percentage of alcoholics at football matches always need another drink but it was a Play off final not some boring low key game when we are mid table at Accrington Stanley or Fleetwood.
Wear your Tena pants to absorb 🥵 and don't miss a second of the game 😀
Anyway i got back to the game at about 55 mins, i had a look around when i came out of the toilet and people were just standing round having/queing for a food/drink which i thought was strange..
Secondly, anyone else think the heart attack thing was out of place? I mean i understand that its good gesture and needs to be made aware but there is a place and time. Who needs to see/hear a heart beat 1 min before the biggest game of the season when tension is already high.
Thanks for answering my Question and confirming what I thought that many were only there for the beer and treating the day like a Beano. With 40k in the Charlton sections its not a total surprise that the match was just part of the day and not the most important match we had played in over 5 years for some people.
I genuinely don't understand this attitude that comes out whenever we get a big crowd. People start trying to score points and wave their dicks about as to how they're a true fan and everyone else is a plastic / tourist / "so called fan".
Everyone had to start somewhere, and Wembley is as good a place as anywhere.That's all I've seen on BookFace. This weird gatekeeping of what a "true fan" is. I haven't been to The Valley at all over the past season for various reasons, and have never held a season ticket, but over 30-odd years I have been to a hell of a lot of games (home and away), perhaps 200+. I just buy tickets as and when I feel like it. That was harder during the Premiership days, but thankfully my Dad was getting tickets through the Supporters' Club. Lifelong dedication through thick and thin earned me my place in the stands on Sunday and not even one beer passed my lips, but that was mainly due to the prices (!).0 -
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I'm sure they don't mess about with different sounds (or not) at different ends of the stadium. Then again as the old philosophical question goes, if a tree falls in a forest an no-one is there to hear it...Stewart said:When the final whistle blow and the Red Red Robin song started, was that played to the whole of Wembley are just the Charlton half?
Fortunately, as Charlton fans, the soundtrack to a losing play-off final is not something that's within our realm of experience
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Are those gaps there as a safety net in case fans bunk in , just guessing as to a reason for them not to be sold
Don’t think Euro Finals 2021 was supposed to be a full ground but did fill up when loads bunked in0 -
Open the message thread quoted above, to which I was referring.Ducktapeshoerepairs said:
What’s the relevance of you not having a beer ?Fiiiiish said:Off_it said:
What on earth is your problem? We sold 40,000 tickets. Would you have preferred that we'd only sold 10,000 to "regulars" who passed some sort of test you set for them?soapboxsam said:Kindoncasella said:
I was in 552 and the queue for the toilet was very long, probably because of the segreation, i assume the toilet on the other side was blocked off?soapboxsam said:Why did some of our so called fans come back to their seat after 55 minutes and miss 10 minutes of the 2nd half ?
I know on the fifth level there were queues for the Loo's and the high percentage of alcoholics at football matches always need another drink but it was a Play off final not some boring low key game when we are mid table at Accrington Stanley or Fleetwood.
Wear your Tena pants to absorb 🥵 and don't miss a second of the game 😀
Anyway i got back to the game at about 55 mins, i had a look around when i came out of the toilet and people were just standing round having/queing for a food/drink which i thought was strange..
Secondly, anyone else think the heart attack thing was out of place? I mean i understand that its good gesture and needs to be made aware but there is a place and time. Who needs to see/hear a heart beat 1 min before the biggest game of the season when tension is already high.
Thanks for answering my Question and confirming what I thought that many were only there for the beer and treating the day like a Beano. With 40k in the Charlton sections its not a total surprise that the match was just part of the day and not the most important match we had played in over 5 years for some people.
I genuinely don't understand this attitude that comes out whenever we get a big crowd. People start trying to score points and wave their dicks about as to how they're a true fan and everyone else is a plastic / tourist / "so called fan".
Everyone had to start somewhere, and Wembley is as good a place as anywhere.That's all I've seen on BookFace. This weird gatekeeping of what a "true fan" is. I haven't been to The Valley at all over the past season for various reasons, and have never held a season ticket, but over 30-odd years I have been to a hell of a lot of games (home and away), perhaps 200+. I just buy tickets as and when I feel like it. That was harder during the Premiership days, but thankfully my Dad was getting tickets through the Supporters' Club. Lifelong dedication through thick and thin earned me my place in the stands on Sunday and not even one beer passed my lips, but that was mainly due to the prices (!).
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I know on the fifth level there were queues for the Loo's and the high percentage of alcoholics at football matches always need another drink but it was a Play off final not some boring low key game when we are mid table at Accrington Stanley or Fleetwood.
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My mind is blown at even the suggestion of this!Stewart said:When the final whistle blow and the Red Red Robin song started, was that played to the whole of Wembley are just the Charlton half?5 -
I’ve just been reading the latest on the Southend -Oldham fiasco. Apparently the original 35k restriction was imposed by….Brent Council!. But they have a reason. Wembley Park is closed. Planned engineering.So there you have it. “Multiple Stakeholders”. And none of them talking to each other.1
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So, a week on, has anyone got any ideas or had any insights into these two points?Off_it said:I would add into the above;
4. why was that block on halfway opposite the royal box not sold? It had been sectioned off at both sides and the stewards were sat at the far end. I'm assuming that was probably the empty bit lf both sides had sold out, but they didn't, so why not let us have it?
5. What was that long line of four empty seats going all the way up the block about? Again, it looks as though that may have been kept for segregation purposes, but once we'd been given seats on either side then why weren't they sold?
Seems to me there were a good few hundred seats in our end that could've been sold but weren't, for some reason. And that's without the need to give us any of Orients allocation and mess around with the stadium configuration.0
