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Forwards in the Championship

brownbearbrownbear
in General Charlton
Looking at some of the posts on recruitment, what is the general feeling about the level of our forward players for next season?

Matty Godden will score, but there is no way he can be expected to play 46 games.

Will any of the group below him, such as Campbell, Leaburn, Kanu, Mbick or Dixon realistically make an impact at the higher level?

If not, then we have some serious recruitment to attend to moving forward.
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  • carly burncarly burn
    Braziliance said:
    It's not looking great.

    I would say Godden is good for about 10-13 goals, that's typically been his output in the champ for Coventry, but that was his prime.

    TC I think could get anywhere between 10-20. He finds himself in the right positions, and if he works on his finishing over the summer, I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit 10-15 minimum.

    Gas, Kanu, Mbick and Dixon nowhere near the level required without being horrible. All should be out on loan to league2 at best, or playing u21s. We can't have any of those on our bench if we are being serious. 

    Leaburn if we can get him fit, is our most tailor made championship striker. Problem is, he's becoming a bit like Chuks where those 10/10 performances are only happening 1 in every 10 games.

    I think TC should be ok to start, but I also think he might be more effective from the bench as an impact sub. 

    I'd prefer Godden in the Hylton role in the champ, but of course a much better player, bags of experience, called upon to see games out, and to chip in with some goals. There's no way we can expect him to play all 46 games 90 minutes, no chance.

    If we have the funds, two new strikers should be coming in to compete with Godden, TC and Miles, the rest shouldn't be around the Charlton matchday squad.
    Sounds absolutely fine then.

    Of the four teams that reached the Championship playoffs this year, their top scorers tally.
    Sheff utd - Campbell 10
    Sunderland - Isidor 10
    Coventry - Wright. 12
    Bristol - Mehmeti 12




  • Addick AddictAddick Addict
    We did have 18 different scorers this season but still need at least one more striker. Of as much concern, if not more, is the signing of a couple of players that are capable of opening Championship defences. As with all these things, we need to move quickly. I'm not, for one minute, suggesting either of these players but look at the difference the likes of Barry at Stockport and Lowe at Walsall made for the clubs they went on loan to. Walsall were 14 points clear when he got recalled in January and didn't even gain promotion in the end. 

    It's no use waiting until the end of July to make serious bids or enquiries about up and coming PL players on loan. The likes of Cullen, Bielik, Gallagher, Maatsen, Rak-Sakyi, Coquelin, Frimpong and Dasilva were our better successes in that respect, to varying degrees, with the common denominator being that they all came to us from London clubs. We have established links with Chelsea, West Ham and Arsenal and perhaps those are the doors we should be knocking on first. And soon. 
  • ScohamScoham
    Said in the rumours thread we need two new strikers. One as an alternative to TC, one an alternative to Godden, and if we can get Leaburn fit that should give us good competition and the option of playing different types of pairings.
  • ForeverAddicktedForeverAddickted
    Scoham said:
    Said in the rumours thread we need two new strikers. One as an alternative to TC, one an alternative to Godden, and if we can get Leaburn fit that should give us good competition and the option of playing different types of pairings.
    We probably need someone to replace Aneke as well, and even Ahadme

    Unless that'll be the likes of Mbick / Kanu / Dixon
  • brownbearbrownbear
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Scoham said:
    Said in the rumours thread we need two new strikers. One as an alternative to TC, one an alternative to Godden, and if we can get Leaburn fit that should give us good competition and the option of playing different types of pairings.
    We probably need someone to replace Aneke as well, and even Ahadme

    Unless that'll be the likes of Mbick / Kanu / Dixon
    Thats the big concern, that if Leaburn isn't fit, we're probably looking at bringing in three championship level strikers. Can't see us doing that without taking at least one loan, which we know Jones is not a fan of.
    Can anybody realistically see Kanu, Mbick or Dixon stepping up? 

  • golfaddickgolfaddick
    Godden will just about get into double figures & TC 4 or 5. The rest should be nowhere near the first team, apart from Leaburn, but I'll hold judgement on him until he is FULLY fit (ie, can play 75+ mins 3 games in a row).

    So we probably need to recruit at least 2 strikers, preferably 3.....with another 1 or 2 "wingers". 

    Interesting few months ahead.
  • The Red RobinThe Red Robin
    edited May 31
    We need a Chuks replacement especially. Someone with a bit of experience that can hold the ball, help Godden play off if we need to. 

    Re Leaburn, I wouldn’t be against cashing in on him at the earliest opportunity. 
  • drawnablankdrawnablank
    edited May 31
    TC & Thierry both cause problems regularly but lack end product. 
    Look at their goal contributions numbers:
    TC = 8 
    Thierry = 5
    Those numbers didn’t get you into the top 50 players in league one. Macaulay Gillesphy had the same number of goal contributions as TC. 
    I don’t think you rely on either to produce what is needed in the championship.
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  • ScohamScoham
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Scoham said:
    Said in the rumours thread we need two new strikers. One as an alternative to TC, one an alternative to Godden, and if we can get Leaburn fit that should give us good competition and the option of playing different types of pairings.
    We probably need someone to replace Aneke as well, and even Ahadme

    Unless that'll be the likes of Mbick / Kanu / Dixon
    We shouldn’t need 7 senior strikers if 5 are all fit enough to play regularly and can handle 90 minutes.
  • se9addickse9addick
    brownbear said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Scoham said:
    Said in the rumours thread we need two new strikers. One as an alternative to TC, one an alternative to Godden, and if we can get Leaburn fit that should give us good competition and the option of playing different types of pairings.
    We probably need someone to replace Aneke as well, and even Ahadme

    Unless that'll be the likes of Mbick / Kanu / Dixon
    Thats the big concern, that if Leaburn isn't fit, we're probably looking at bringing in three championship level strikers. Can't see us doing that without taking at least one loan, which we know Jones is not a fan of.
    Can anybody realistically see Kanu, Mbick or Dixon stepping up? 

    One day maybe. But they won’t go from not good enough to start in League One to good enough to play a part in the Championship in the space of a couple of months. 

    Ideally, all of those youngsters would be out on loan, Ahadme would be out the door and we bring in three quality forwards that Godden, TC & Leaburn have to compete with. I don’t think we’ll get that, but that’s the level of investment  we’ll need to avoid an immediate return to League One.
  • ShootersHillGuruShootersHillGuru
    If we don’t bring in two Championship quality strikers I think we’ll live to regret it. Matty Godden is sadly past his peak and can’t be expected to start every game any longer. Ahadme certainly doesn’t look to be a Championship striker and the two kids, Kanu and Mbick are for the future not now. So many question marks hanging over Miles that we can’t even guess as to whether he’s got it to step up or even play enough games to tell. 
  • jimmymelrosejimmymelrose
    golfaddick said:
    Godden will just about get into double figures & TC 4 or 5. The rest should be nowhere near the first team, apart from Leaburn, but I'll hold judgement on him until he is FULLY fit (ie, can play 75+ mins 3 games in a row).

    So we probably need to recruit at least 2 strikers, preferably 3.....with another 1 or 2 "wingers". 

    Interesting few months ahead.
    I agree with the first paragraph but not the second.

    We don’t necessarily have to sign ’forwards.’ I’ll be watching out this summer for simply the the level of quality of players we sign in all positions. Although I would love to see us buy one, prolific goalscoring centre forwards are not what today’s managers look for. All players are expected to chip in with the goals just as the attacking players are asked to help out in defence.

    We have a good defence but it needs back up / competition, and we need much better options in midfield. This is how to score one or two goals a game to win and draw enough matches to get the magic 50 points.
  • CrispywoodCrispywood
    Leaburn, Godden, TC only 3 we can realistically have any sort of confidence we can say can make the step up but with Godden’s age, Leaburn’s injuries and TC’s striker instinct not sure we won’t need to look at the starters rather than backups. Ideally Godden and TC play the sort of little striker role and Leaburn plays the big striker role. Would like to see two big target men come in the summer and provide support up top. Get Kanu, Ahadme, Dixon on loan and give Mbick some more time working with the first team squad and hope they can be ready for the future 
  • CroydonCroydon
    edited May 31
    Braziliance said:
    It's not looking great.

    I would say Godden is good for about 10-13 goals, that's typically been his output in the champ for Coventry, but that was his prime.

    TC I think could get anywhere between 10-20. He finds himself in the right positions, and if he works on his finishing over the summer, I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit 10-15 minimum.

    Gas, Kanu, Mbick and Dixon nowhere near the level required without being horrible. All should be out on loan to league2 at best, or playing u21s. We can't have any of those on our bench if we are being serious. 

    Leaburn if we can get him fit, is our most tailor made championship striker. Problem is, he's becoming a bit like Chuks where those 10/10 performances are only happening 1 in every 10 games.

    I think TC should be ok to start, but I also think he might be more effective from the bench as an impact sub. 

    I'd prefer Godden in the Hylton role in the champ, but of course a much better player, bags of experience, called upon to see games out, and to chip in with some goals. There's no way we can expect him to play all 46 games 90 minutes, no chance.

    If we have the funds, two new strikers should be coming in to compete with Godden, TC and Miles, the rest shouldn't be around the Charlton matchday squad.

    TC this season looked great against lower quality opposition, but any decent full back he came up against he struggled to impact the game. Championship is a massive step up. 

    I'd like to see TC continue to develop and be used as an impact sub against tired defenders. There's no chance he scores 15-20 goals in the championship, when he only scored 7 against league one defences
  • CroydonCroydon
    This was one of the best players in league one (albeit in a really shit side) and he scored 7 goals last season in the championship 

    https://x.com/Plenty_of_Shots/status/1928769525782139173?t=c_gxYtqduxnJHhVar7ZZOw&s=19
  • ScohamScoham
    Croydon said:
    This was one of the best players in league one (albeit in a really shit side) and he scored 7 goals last season in the championship 

    https://x.com/Plenty_of_Shots/status/1928769525782139173?t=c_gxYtqduxnJHhVar7ZZOw&s=19
    Checking the stats he only started 22 games and was subbed on in another 12. He easily had the potential to score a lot more than 7 in the Championship with regular game time.
  • BrazilianceBraziliance
    carly burn said:
    Braziliance said:
    It's not looking great.

    I would say Godden is good for about 10-13 goals, that's typically been his output in the champ for Coventry, but that was his prime.

    TC I think could get anywhere between 10-20. He finds himself in the right positions, and if he works on his finishing over the summer, I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit 10-15 minimum.

    Gas, Kanu, Mbick and Dixon nowhere near the level required without being horrible. All should be out on loan to league2 at best, or playing u21s. We can't have any of those on our bench if we are being serious. 

    Leaburn if we can get him fit, is our most tailor made championship striker. Problem is, he's becoming a bit like Chuks where those 10/10 performances are only happening 1 in every 10 games.

    I think TC should be ok to start, but I also think he might be more effective from the bench as an impact sub. 

    I'd prefer Godden in the Hylton role in the champ, but of course a much better player, bags of experience, called upon to see games out, and to chip in with some goals. There's no way we can expect him to play all 46 games 90 minutes, no chance.

    If we have the funds, two new strikers should be coming in to compete with Godden, TC and Miles, the rest shouldn't be around the Charlton matchday squad.
    Sounds absolutely fine then.

    Of the four teams that reached the Championship playoffs this year, their top scorers tally.
    Sheff utd - Campbell 10
    Sunderland - Isidor 10
    Coventry - Wright. 12
    Bristol - Mehmeti 12




    But that is best case scenario, I am trying to be positive. If I was being more realistic, I think Godden will get 8 and 11 at best, TC will get around the 10 mark. 

    Those teams are a bit incomparable tbh as they're better all over the pitch. I see your point though, that we don't need one player to score 20+ to stay up. 
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  • Stu_of_KunmingStu_of_Kunming
    cafcsinger said:
    Braziliance said:
    It's not looking great.

    I would say Godden is good for about 10-13 goals, that's typically been his output in the champ for Coventry, but that was his prime.

    TC I think could get anywhere between 10-20. He finds himself in the right positions, and if he works on his finishing over the summer, I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit 10-15 minimum.

    Gas, Kanu, Mbick and Dixon nowhere near the level required without being horrible. All should be out on loan to league2 at best, or playing u21s. We can't have any of those on our bench if we are being serious. 

    Leaburn if we can get him fit, is our most tailor made championship striker. Problem is, he's becoming a bit like Chuks where those 10/10 performances are only happening 1 in every 10 games.

    I think TC should be ok to start, but I also think he might be more effective from the bench as an impact sub. 

    I'd prefer Godden in the Hylton role in the champ, but of course a much better player, bags of experience, called upon to see games out, and to chip in with some goals. There's no way we can expect him to play all 46 games 90 minutes, no chance.

    If we have the funds, two new strikers should be coming in to compete with Godden, TC and Miles, the rest shouldn't be around the Charlton matchday squad.
    I love TC, but on what evidence is he going to double (or even triple) his goal return in a higher league?
    I don’t think he’ll double his goals but I do think he’ll have a better season, he should get a lot more space next season.
  • BrazilianceBraziliance
    cafcsinger said:
    Braziliance said:
    It's not looking great.

    I would say Godden is good for about 10-13 goals, that's typically been his output in the champ for Coventry, but that was his prime.

    TC I think could get anywhere between 10-20. He finds himself in the right positions, and if he works on his finishing over the summer, I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit 10-15 minimum.

    Gas, Kanu, Mbick and Dixon nowhere near the level required without being horrible. All should be out on loan to league2 at best, or playing u21s. We can't have any of those on our bench if we are being serious. 

    Leaburn if we can get him fit, is our most tailor made championship striker. Problem is, he's becoming a bit like Chuks where those 10/10 performances are only happening 1 in every 10 games.

    I think TC should be ok to start, but I also think he might be more effective from the bench as an impact sub. 

    I'd prefer Godden in the Hylton role in the champ, but of course a much better player, bags of experience, called upon to see games out, and to chip in with some goals. There's no way we can expect him to play all 46 games 90 minutes, no chance.

    If we have the funds, two new strikers should be coming in to compete with Godden, TC and Miles, the rest shouldn't be around the Charlton matchday squad.
    I love TC, but on what evidence is he going to double (or even triple) his goal return in a higher league?
    Croydon said:
    Braziliance said:
    It's not looking great.

    I would say Godden is good for about 10-13 goals, that's typically been his output in the champ for Coventry, but that was his prime.

    TC I think could get anywhere between 10-20. He finds himself in the right positions, and if he works on his finishing over the summer, I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit 10-15 minimum.

    Gas, Kanu, Mbick and Dixon nowhere near the level required without being horrible. All should be out on loan to league2 at best, or playing u21s. We can't have any of those on our bench if we are being serious. 

    Leaburn if we can get him fit, is our most tailor made championship striker. Problem is, he's becoming a bit like Chuks where those 10/10 performances are only happening 1 in every 10 games.

    I think TC should be ok to start, but I also think he might be more effective from the bench as an impact sub. 

    I'd prefer Godden in the Hylton role in the champ, but of course a much better player, bags of experience, called upon to see games out, and to chip in with some goals. There's no way we can expect him to play all 46 games 90 minutes, no chance.

    If we have the funds, two new strikers should be coming in to compete with Godden, TC and Miles, the rest shouldn't be around the Charlton matchday squad.

    TC this season looked great against lower quality opposition, but any decent full back he came up against he struggled to impact the game. Championship is a massive step up. 

    I'd like to see TC continue to develop and be used as an impact sub against tired defenders. There's no chance he scores 15-20 goals in the championship, when he only scored 7 against league one defences
    Just trying to back him a bit. I say between 10-20 cause of how many times he would get into scoring positions and not get it done.

    If I was a betting man, I would say he will get between 7-10. I've got him down for 20 as I think that's his potential. If he works on his finishing and he's at it, it wouldn't surprise me.
  • CroydonCroydon
    Braziliance said:
    cafcsinger said:
    Braziliance said:
    It's not looking great.

    I would say Godden is good for about 10-13 goals, that's typically been his output in the champ for Coventry, but that was his prime.

    TC I think could get anywhere between 10-20. He finds himself in the right positions, and if he works on his finishing over the summer, I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit 10-15 minimum.

    Gas, Kanu, Mbick and Dixon nowhere near the level required without being horrible. All should be out on loan to league2 at best, or playing u21s. We can't have any of those on our bench if we are being serious. 

    Leaburn if we can get him fit, is our most tailor made championship striker. Problem is, he's becoming a bit like Chuks where those 10/10 performances are only happening 1 in every 10 games.

    I think TC should be ok to start, but I also think he might be more effective from the bench as an impact sub. 

    I'd prefer Godden in the Hylton role in the champ, but of course a much better player, bags of experience, called upon to see games out, and to chip in with some goals. There's no way we can expect him to play all 46 games 90 minutes, no chance.

    If we have the funds, two new strikers should be coming in to compete with Godden, TC and Miles, the rest shouldn't be around the Charlton matchday squad.
    I love TC, but on what evidence is he going to double (or even triple) his goal return in a higher league?
    Croydon said:
    Braziliance said:
    It's not looking great.

    I would say Godden is good for about 10-13 goals, that's typically been his output in the champ for Coventry, but that was his prime.

    TC I think could get anywhere between 10-20. He finds himself in the right positions, and if he works on his finishing over the summer, I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit 10-15 minimum.

    Gas, Kanu, Mbick and Dixon nowhere near the level required without being horrible. All should be out on loan to league2 at best, or playing u21s. We can't have any of those on our bench if we are being serious. 

    Leaburn if we can get him fit, is our most tailor made championship striker. Problem is, he's becoming a bit like Chuks where those 10/10 performances are only happening 1 in every 10 games.

    I think TC should be ok to start, but I also think he might be more effective from the bench as an impact sub. 

    I'd prefer Godden in the Hylton role in the champ, but of course a much better player, bags of experience, called upon to see games out, and to chip in with some goals. There's no way we can expect him to play all 46 games 90 minutes, no chance.

    If we have the funds, two new strikers should be coming in to compete with Godden, TC and Miles, the rest shouldn't be around the Charlton matchday squad.

    TC this season looked great against lower quality opposition, but any decent full back he came up against he struggled to impact the game. Championship is a massive step up. 

    I'd like to see TC continue to develop and be used as an impact sub against tired defenders. There's no chance he scores 15-20 goals in the championship, when he only scored 7 against league one defences
    Just trying to back him a bit. I say between 10-20 cause of how many times he would get into scoring positions and not get it done.

    If I was a betting man, I would say he will get between 7-10. I've got him down for 20 as I think that's his potential. If he works on his finishing and he's at it, it wouldn't surprise me.
    I don't even think he has what it takes (yet) to start for us next season. 20 goals is mental. No striker in the league got that last season 
  • Mendonca In AsdasMendonca In Asdas
    If we’re going to play 2 up top next season, I think we have to bring in, 3 new forwards.
  • sam3110sam3110
    TC between 10 and 20 goals?! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

    Go up a level and double, maybe even triple your output? Sure thing! 
  • CrispywoodCrispywood
    Look at Adebayo and Morris scored more in the prem than they did the championship last season. You’re also giving TC another 3 months to work on his fitness, finishing, etc and in theory he should only get better as he’s still very raw. No reason he can’t improve on his G/A he’s probably been very unlucky to not have more goal contributions as well
  • Themightyath2Themightyath2
    Two new strikers plus Godden, Miles and TC. 

    Kanu needs a loan. 
  • NabySarrNabySarr
    We need 2 new strikers. One big man to replace Aneke but one that can start games. One pacy alternative to TC (still think Josh Koroma could be worth a look if he passes the no dickheads test) 

    Godden, TC, Leaburn, 2 new signings and then I’d imagine we will keep Mbick around. 9 subs so could have 3 attackers on there 
  • BrazilianceBraziliance
    Croydon said:
    Braziliance said:
    cafcsinger said:
    Braziliance said:
    It's not looking great.

    I would say Godden is good for about 10-13 goals, that's typically been his output in the champ for Coventry, but that was his prime.

    TC I think could get anywhere between 10-20. He finds himself in the right positions, and if he works on his finishing over the summer, I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit 10-15 minimum.

    Gas, Kanu, Mbick and Dixon nowhere near the level required without being horrible. All should be out on loan to league2 at best, or playing u21s. We can't have any of those on our bench if we are being serious. 

    Leaburn if we can get him fit, is our most tailor made championship striker. Problem is, he's becoming a bit like Chuks where those 10/10 performances are only happening 1 in every 10 games.

    I think TC should be ok to start, but I also think he might be more effective from the bench as an impact sub. 

    I'd prefer Godden in the Hylton role in the champ, but of course a much better player, bags of experience, called upon to see games out, and to chip in with some goals. There's no way we can expect him to play all 46 games 90 minutes, no chance.

    If we have the funds, two new strikers should be coming in to compete with Godden, TC and Miles, the rest shouldn't be around the Charlton matchday squad.
    I love TC, but on what evidence is he going to double (or even triple) his goal return in a higher league?
    Croydon said:
    Braziliance said:
    It's not looking great.

    I would say Godden is good for about 10-13 goals, that's typically been his output in the champ for Coventry, but that was his prime.

    TC I think could get anywhere between 10-20. He finds himself in the right positions, and if he works on his finishing over the summer, I wouldn't be surprised to see him hit 10-15 minimum.

    Gas, Kanu, Mbick and Dixon nowhere near the level required without being horrible. All should be out on loan to league2 at best, or playing u21s. We can't have any of those on our bench if we are being serious. 

    Leaburn if we can get him fit, is our most tailor made championship striker. Problem is, he's becoming a bit like Chuks where those 10/10 performances are only happening 1 in every 10 games.

    I think TC should be ok to start, but I also think he might be more effective from the bench as an impact sub. 

    I'd prefer Godden in the Hylton role in the champ, but of course a much better player, bags of experience, called upon to see games out, and to chip in with some goals. There's no way we can expect him to play all 46 games 90 minutes, no chance.

    If we have the funds, two new strikers should be coming in to compete with Godden, TC and Miles, the rest shouldn't be around the Charlton matchday squad.

    TC this season looked great against lower quality opposition, but any decent full back he came up against he struggled to impact the game. Championship is a massive step up. 

    I'd like to see TC continue to develop and be used as an impact sub against tired defenders. There's no chance he scores 15-20 goals in the championship, when he only scored 7 against league one defences
    Just trying to back him a bit. I say between 10-20 cause of how many times he would get into scoring positions and not get it done.

    If I was a betting man, I would say he will get between 7-10. I've got him down for 20 as I think that's his potential. If he works on his finishing and he's at it, it wouldn't surprise me.
    I don't even think he has what it takes (yet) to start for us next season. 20 goals is mental. No striker in the league got that last season 
    He will start I'd imagine. We won't be able to afford a player better than him, and Jones is on record saying how much he rates him. I think the club will also know in their mind that he is one season away from a juicy fee.

    Just want to make it clear again, I really am not expecting him to get 20 goals. I would say that's anywhere between 750/1000-1. 

    I just think with his pace, ability and striking technique, if he works on himself and gets in the right positions, he could be a 20 goal a season striker. 
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