Gavin Carter suggested an appointment was close - indeed imminent - on recent CAST Q&A. Expect we’ll get an announcement fairly soon.
With an explanation of Wembley ticket allocation or is that a dead topic now ?
CAST are continuing to raise the issue of seats left empty despite strong demand with the FSA and EFL. At least we’ll try and ensure there are clearer procedures / policies to maximise sales in future, whether we’re involved or not.
Gavin Carter suggested an appointment was close - indeed imminent - on recent CAST Q&A. Expect we’ll get an announcement fairly soon.
With an explanation of Wembley ticket allocation or is that a dead topic now ?
CAST will raise the issue of seats left empty despite strong demand at the next structured dialogue meeting between the FSA and EFL. At least we’ll try and ensure there are clearer procedures / policies to maximise sales in future, whether we’re involved or not.
But are you seeking an explanation from the club to understand the process and why the statement on ‘we have requested’ and then silence until the 11th hour?
My point being don’t you need to understand this from the clubs perspective of what they could and did / did not do before discussing with the FSA?
My assumption is this was following a process (not shared with us) rather than being Charlton specific.
Gavin Carter suggested an appointment was close - indeed imminent - on recent CAST Q&A. Expect we’ll get an announcement fairly soon.
With an explanation of Wembley ticket allocation or is that a dead topic now ?
CAST will raise the issue of seats left empty despite strong demand at the next structured dialogue meeting between the FSA and EFL. At least we’ll try and ensure there are clearer procedures / policies to maximise sales in future, whether we’re involved or not.
But are you seeking an explanation from the club to understand the process and why the statement on ‘we have requested’ and then silence until the 11th hour?
My point being don’t you need to understand this from the clubs perspective of what they could and did / did not do before discussing with the FSA?
My assumption is this was following a process (not shared with us) rather than being Charlton specific.
We can’t expect the club to say anything until a ceo is in place who can smear some bullshit around so that everybody gets off the hook and nothing gets solved
He is Executive Vice Chairman of the Millwall Community Trust.
He also presumably didn't want the full-time CEO role in 2011, so I can't imagine we would want it 14 years later. If he were to ever come back to the club, surely it would be as a member of the board?
Would Steve Kavanagh be interested, if we're bringing back people from Jones's previous time at the club? I think he started a new job relatively recently.
He is Executive Vice Chairman of the Millwall Community Trust.
He also presumably didn't want the full-time CEO role in 2011, so I can't imagine we would want it 14 years later. If he were to ever come back to the club, surely it would be as a member of the board?
Would Steve Kavanagh be interested, if we're bringing back people from Jones's previous time at the club? I think he started a new job relatively recently.
Gavin Carter suggested an appointment was close - indeed imminent - on recent CAST Q&A. Expect we’ll get an announcement fairly soon.
With an explanation of Wembley ticket allocation or is that a dead topic now ?
CAST will raise the issue of seats left empty despite strong demand at the next structured dialogue meeting between the FSA and EFL. At least we’ll try and ensure there are clearer procedures / policies to maximise sales in future, whether we’re involved or not.
But are you seeking an explanation from the club to understand the process and why the statement on ‘we have requested’ and then silence until the 11th hour?
My point being don’t you need to understand this from the clubs perspective of what they could and did / did not do before discussing with the FSA?
My assumption is this was following a process (not shared with us) rather than being Charlton specific.
We were in touch with the club about it at the time. Charlton did all they could in the circumstances. One of the issues is that there does not seem to be a clear process at all.
Gavin Carter suggested an appointment was close - indeed imminent - on recent CAST Q&A. Expect we’ll get an announcement fairly soon.
With an explanation of Wembley ticket allocation or is that a dead topic now ?
CAST will raise the issue of seats left empty despite strong demand at the next structured dialogue meeting between the FSA and EFL. At least we’ll try and ensure there are clearer procedures / policies to maximise sales in future, whether we’re involved or not.
But are you seeking an explanation from the club to understand the process and why the statement on ‘we have requested’ and then silence until the 11th hour?
My point being don’t you need to understand this from the clubs perspective of what they could and did / did not do before discussing with the FSA?
My assumption is this was following a process (not shared with us) rather than being Charlton specific.
We were in touch with the club about it at the time. Charlton did all they could in the circumstances. One of the issues is that there does not seem to be a clear process at all.
What about the "mystery" empty block in the top tier opposite the royal box and the vertical line of 4 empty seats all the way up one bloc. Why couldn't we be given those to sell?
Gavin Carter suggested an appointment was close - indeed imminent - on recent CAST Q&A. Expect we’ll get an announcement fairly soon.
With an explanation of Wembley ticket allocation or is that a dead topic now ?
CAST will raise the issue of seats left empty despite strong demand at the next structured dialogue meeting between the FSA and EFL. At least we’ll try and ensure there are clearer procedures / policies to maximise sales in future, whether we’re involved or not.
But are you seeking an explanation from the club to understand the process and why the statement on ‘we have requested’ and then silence until the 11th hour?
My point being don’t you need to understand this from the clubs perspective of what they could and did / did not do before discussing with the FSA?
My assumption is this was following a process (not shared with us) rather than being Charlton specific.
We were in touch with the club about it at the time. Charlton did all they could in the circumstances. One of the issues is that there does not seem to be a clear process at all.
What about the "mystery" empty block in the top tier opposite the royal box and the vertical line of 4 empty seats all the way up one bloc. Why couldn't we be given those to sell?
Think the box is then radio commentary position for the BBC/Talksport
Gavin Carter suggested an appointment was close - indeed imminent - on recent CAST Q&A. Expect we’ll get an announcement fairly soon.
With an explanation of Wembley ticket allocation or is that a dead topic now ?
CAST will raise the issue of seats left empty despite strong demand at the next structured dialogue meeting between the FSA and EFL. At least we’ll try and ensure there are clearer procedures / policies to maximise sales in future, whether we’re involved or not.
But are you seeking an explanation from the club to understand the process and why the statement on ‘we have requested’ and then silence until the 11th hour?
My point being don’t you need to understand this from the clubs perspective of what they could and did / did not do before discussing with the FSA?
My assumption is this was following a process (not shared with us) rather than being Charlton specific.
We were in touch with the club about it at the time. Charlton did all they could in the circumstances. One of the issues is that there does not seem to be a clear process at all.
So please share more. They surely told you more than the public announcement.
What comprised the 1400 given / why could they be immediately given and on what basis were we able to ask for more but were denied?
I cannot believe there is not a process. It’s inconceivable that given the number events hosted each year this does not follow a process.
The process may be flawed but there must be a process otherwise why did we get equal allocation to Orient but they had to sell by block?
Gavin Carter suggested an appointment was close - indeed imminent - on recent CAST Q&A. Expect we’ll get an announcement fairly soon.
With an explanation of Wembley ticket allocation or is that a dead topic now ?
CAST will raise the issue of seats left empty despite strong demand at the next structured dialogue meeting between the FSA and EFL. At least we’ll try and ensure there are clearer procedures / policies to maximise sales in future, whether we’re involved or not.
But are you seeking an explanation from the club to understand the process and why the statement on ‘we have requested’ and then silence until the 11th hour?
My point being don’t you need to understand this from the clubs perspective of what they could and did / did not do before discussing with the FSA?
My assumption is this was following a process (not shared with us) rather than being Charlton specific.
We were in touch with the club about it at the time. Charlton did all they could in the circumstances. One of the issues is that there does not seem to be a clear process at all.
What about the "mystery" empty block in the top tier opposite the royal box and the vertical line of 4 empty seats all the way up one bloc. Why couldn't we be given those to sell?
Think the box is then radio commentary position for the BBC/Talksport
No, Behind that. The "gap" which would've been the segregation point if both teams had sold out. But as they didn't and there was another line of segregation further along there is no reason why we couldn't have had those seats without them needing to change the configuration inside on the concourses.
Gavin Carter suggested an appointment was close - indeed imminent - on recent CAST Q&A. Expect we’ll get an announcement fairly soon.
With an explanation of Wembley ticket allocation or is that a dead topic now ?
CAST will raise the issue of seats left empty despite strong demand at the next structured dialogue meeting between the FSA and EFL. At least we’ll try and ensure there are clearer procedures / policies to maximise sales in future, whether we’re involved or not.
But are you seeking an explanation from the club to understand the process and why the statement on ‘we have requested’ and then silence until the 11th hour?
My point being don’t you need to understand this from the clubs perspective of what they could and did / did not do before discussing with the FSA?
My assumption is this was following a process (not shared with us) rather than being Charlton specific.
We were in touch with the club about it at the time. Charlton did all they could in the circumstances. One of the issues is that there does not seem to be a clear process at all.
I appreciate the good intentions that u and your comrades have but there were at least 8000 seats that we could have sold - why does nobody know why they weren’t given to us ? Because nobody is prepared to ask the difficult questions or pin people to the ‘metaphorical’ wall, that’s why.
Gavin Carter suggested an appointment was close - indeed imminent - on recent CAST Q&A. Expect we’ll get an announcement fairly soon.
With an explanation of Wembley ticket allocation or is that a dead topic now ?
CAST will raise the issue of seats left empty despite strong demand at the next structured dialogue meeting between the FSA and EFL. At least we’ll try and ensure there are clearer procedures / policies to maximise sales in future, whether we’re involved or not.
But are you seeking an explanation from the club to understand the process and why the statement on ‘we have requested’ and then silence until the 11th hour?
My point being don’t you need to understand this from the clubs perspective of what they could and did / did not do before discussing with the FSA?
My assumption is this was following a process (not shared with us) rather than being Charlton specific.
We were in touch with the club about it at the time. Charlton did all they could in the circumstances. One of the issues is that there does not seem to be a clear process at all.
I appreciate the good intentions that u and your comrades have but there were at least 8000 seats that we could have sold - why does nobody know why they weren’t given to us ? Because nobody is prepared to ask the difficult questions or pin people to the ‘metaphorical’ wall, that’s why.
Pretty sure the questions were asked but clear answers weren’t necessarily given or available to the public. It’s pretty clear that the way Orient sold their blocks stopped us from being given extra tickets, the question is why did the EFL/Wembley allow Orient to sell in the manner they did. Not sure we’ll ever know but bodies like CAST can keep asking the question so that fans in the future don’t have the same issues
Gavin Carter suggested an appointment was close - indeed imminent - on recent CAST Q&A. Expect we’ll get an announcement fairly soon.
With an explanation of Wembley ticket allocation or is that a dead topic now ?
CAST will raise the issue of seats left empty despite strong demand at the next structured dialogue meeting between the FSA and EFL. At least we’ll try and ensure there are clearer procedures / policies to maximise sales in future, whether we’re involved or not.
But are you seeking an explanation from the club to understand the process and why the statement on ‘we have requested’ and then silence until the 11th hour?
My point being don’t you need to understand this from the clubs perspective of what they could and did / did not do before discussing with the FSA?
My assumption is this was following a process (not shared with us) rather than being Charlton specific.
We were in touch with the club about it at the time. Charlton did all they could in the circumstances. One of the issues is that there does not seem to be a clear process at all.
I appreciate the good intentions that u and your comrades have but there were at least 8000 seats that we could have sold - why does nobody know why they weren’t given to us ? Because nobody is prepared to ask the difficult questions or pin people to the ‘metaphorical’ wall, that’s why.
Pretty sure the questions were asked but clear answers weren’t necessarily given or available to the public. It’s pretty clear that the way Orient sold their blocks stopped us from being given extra tickets, the question is why did the EFL/Wembley allow Orient to sell in the manner they did. Not sure we’ll ever know but bodies like CAST can keep asking the question so that fans in the future don’t have the same issues
My point was asking CAFC (by CAST) to learn before engaging with the FSA.
None of this stuff is commercially sensitive after all. It’s just asking for the process followed and when / how more tickets can be granted if ever.
And surely the way Orient sold was to potentially allow us to get more seats ?
Gavin Carter suggested an appointment was close - indeed imminent - on recent CAST Q&A. Expect we’ll get an announcement fairly soon.
With an explanation of Wembley ticket allocation or is that a dead topic now ?
CAST will raise the issue of seats left empty despite strong demand at the next structured dialogue meeting between the FSA and EFL. At least we’ll try and ensure there are clearer procedures / policies to maximise sales in future, whether we’re involved or not.
But are you seeking an explanation from the club to understand the process and why the statement on ‘we have requested’ and then silence until the 11th hour?
My point being don’t you need to understand this from the clubs perspective of what they could and did / did not do before discussing with the FSA?
My assumption is this was following a process (not shared with us) rather than being Charlton specific.
We were in touch with the club about it at the time. Charlton did all they could in the circumstances. One of the issues is that there does not seem to be a clear process at all.
What about the "mystery" empty block in the top tier opposite the royal box and the vertical line of 4 empty seats all the way up one bloc. Why couldn't we be given those to sell?
Think the box is then radio commentary position for the BBC/Talksport
No, Behind that. The "gap" which would've been the segregation point if both teams had sold out. But as they didn't and there was another line of segregation further along there is no reason why we couldn't have had those seats without them needing to change the configuration inside on the concourses.
Gavin Carter suggested an appointment was close - indeed imminent - on recent CAST Q&A. Expect we’ll get an announcement fairly soon.
With an explanation of Wembley ticket allocation or is that a dead topic now ?
CAST will raise the issue of seats left empty despite strong demand at the next structured dialogue meeting between the FSA and EFL. At least we’ll try and ensure there are clearer procedures / policies to maximise sales in future, whether we’re involved or not.
But are you seeking an explanation from the club to understand the process and why the statement on ‘we have requested’ and then silence until the 11th hour?
My point being don’t you need to understand this from the clubs perspective of what they could and did / did not do before discussing with the FSA?
My assumption is this was following a process (not shared with us) rather than being Charlton specific.
We were in touch with the club about it at the time. Charlton did all they could in the circumstances. One of the issues is that there does not seem to be a clear process at all.
I appreciate the good intentions that u and your comrades have but there were at least 8000 seats that we could have sold - why does nobody know why they weren’t given to us ? Because nobody is prepared to ask the difficult questions or pin people to the ‘metaphorical’ wall, that’s why.
Pretty sure the questions were asked but clear answers weren’t necessarily given or available to the public. It’s pretty clear that the way Orient sold their blocks stopped us from being given extra tickets, the question is why did the EFL/Wembley allow Orient to sell in the manner they did. Not sure we’ll ever know but bodies like CAST can keep asking the question so that fans in the future don’t have the same issues
My point was asking CAFC (by CAST) to learn before engaging with the FSA.
None of this stuff is commercially sensitive after all. It’s just asking for the process followed and when / how more tickets can be granted if ever.
And surely the way Orient sold was to potentially allow us to get more seats ?
The FSA have much more clout with the EFL than any single clubs supporters trust.
And you’d think the way Orient sold would allow us to get more seats but clearly it wasn’t the case. If that was the plan, they wouldn’t have sold the entire bottom tier but sold from one side to the other.
Gavin Carter suggested an appointment was close - indeed imminent - on recent CAST Q&A. Expect we’ll get an announcement fairly soon.
With an explanation of Wembley ticket allocation or is that a dead topic now ?
CAST will raise the issue of seats left empty despite strong demand at the next structured dialogue meeting between the FSA and EFL. At least we’ll try and ensure there are clearer procedures / policies to maximise sales in future, whether we’re involved or not.
But are you seeking an explanation from the club to understand the process and why the statement on ‘we have requested’ and then silence until the 11th hour?
My point being don’t you need to understand this from the clubs perspective of what they could and did / did not do before discussing with the FSA?
My assumption is this was following a process (not shared with us) rather than being Charlton specific.
We were in touch with the club about it at the time. Charlton did all they could in the circumstances. One of the issues is that there does not seem to be a clear process at all.
I appreciate the good intentions that u and your comrades have but there were at least 8000 seats that we could have sold - why does nobody know why they weren’t given to us ? Because nobody is prepared to ask the difficult questions or pin people to the ‘metaphorical’ wall, that’s why.
Pretty sure the questions were asked but clear answers weren’t necessarily given or available to the public. It’s pretty clear that the way Orient sold their blocks stopped us from being given extra tickets, the question is why did the EFL/Wembley allow Orient to sell in the manner they did. Not sure we’ll ever know but bodies like CAST can keep asking the question so that fans in the future don’t have the same issues
My point was asking CAFC (by CAST) to learn before engaging with the FSA.
None of this stuff is commercially sensitive after all. It’s just asking for the process followed and when / how more tickets can be granted if ever.
And surely the way Orient sold was to potentially allow us to get more seats ?
The FSA have much more clout with the EFL than any single clubs supporters trust.
And you’d think the way Orient sold would allow us to get more seats but clearly it wasn’t the case. If that was the plan, they wouldn’t have sold the entire bottom tier but sold from one side to the other.
You miss my point I fear.
CAST should get the CAFC side / version of events first and share.
If it transpires Orient mucked up by selling in the wrong sequence then so be it.
My only real concern is that the possibility of more tickets was never a probable outcome and in which case CAFC were guilty of not sharing that.
I don’t know if that’s true because no one is telling us and it simply need not be a secret. We are constantly told the club operates at a loss and must maximise income opportunities and so in which case let us understand why c 8k tickets went unsold.
Don’t think you’ll be satisfied whatever is said, Valley Nick. Both CAST and club were equally frustrated by the whole (lack of) process. Instead of calling out your fellow Addicks and the club, maybe a bit more scrutiny should be directed to our opposition - we believe they were pretty astute in how they sold their tickets in order to prevent us receiving a significant number more. We outnumbered them enough as it was.
Don’t think you’ll be satisfied whatever is said, Valley Nick. Both CAST and club were equally frustrated by the whole (lack of) process. Instead of calling out your fellow Addicks and the club, maybe a bit more scrutiny should be directed to our opposition - we believe they were pretty astute in how they sold their tickets in order to prevent us receiving a significant number more. We outnumbered them enough as it was.
Im not calling you out. I’m asking what clarification on process you got because it’s not been clarified beyond the club stating they asked for more !
You are now suggesting it seems:
1. equal allocation is default start point regardless of club profile / history 2. only get more if other team don’t sell what they got (but no time frame offered)
But your breaking news (at least to me) is Orient deliberately sold in a manner not dictated by the EFL to limit the number of CAFC fans in the ground owing to (I assume) some restrictions on segregation.
That seems unlikely to me and harmful to all play off teams as proceeds are shared.
Don’t think you’ll be satisfied whatever is said, Valley Nick. Both CAST and club were equally frustrated by the whole (lack of) process. Instead of calling out your fellow Addicks and the club, maybe a bit more scrutiny should be directed to our opposition - we believe they were pretty astute in how they sold their tickets in order to prevent us receiving a significant number more. We outnumbered them enough as it was.
But what about some explanations about the mysterious empty seats? Surely that's not beyond the will of man?
There doesn’t need to be an explanation though, you’re crying over spilt milk. The club asked for me tickets received more than were told that was the limit. Go to an Orient Forum and ask why they’re a small club if it’s still bugging you
There doesn’t need to be an explanation though, you’re crying over spilt milk. The club asked for me tickets received more than were told that was the limit. Go to an Orient Forum and ask why they’re a small club if it’s still bugging you
There are estimated to be about 5,000 Charlton fans who wanted to buy tickets and could not. That’s completely unacceptable, when the stadium had 14,000 empty seats, and people need to be held accountable. Ordinary fans are treated with contempt by the football authorities, with the connivance of many club owners. If we dont stand up to it, it will keep happening.
There doesn’t need to be an explanation though, you’re crying over spilt milk. The club asked for me tickets received more than were told that was the limit. Go to an Orient Forum and ask why they’re a small club if it’s still bugging you
There are estimated to be about 5,000 Charlton fans who wanted to buy tickets and could not. That’s completely unacceptable, when the stadium had 14,000 empty seats, and people need to be held accountable. Ordinary fans are treated with contempt by the football authorities, with the connivance of many club owners. If we dont stand up to it, it will keep happening.
If the club had been more open about what was happening at the time there wouldn’t be an ongoing discussion. Private conversations with CAST are no substitute for inclusive comms.
There doesn’t need to be an explanation though, you’re crying over spilt milk. The club asked for me tickets received more than were told that was the limit. Go to an Orient Forum and ask why they’re a small club if it’s still bugging you
There are estimated to be about 5,000 Charlton fans who wanted to buy tickets and could not. That’s completely unacceptable, when the stadium had 14,000 empty seats, and people need to be held accountable. Ordinary fans are treated with contempt by the football authorities, with the connivance of many club owners. If we dont stand up to it, it will keep happening.
If the club had been more open about what was happening at the time there wouldn’t be an ongoing discussion. Private conversations with CAST are no substitute for inclusive comms.
That is the problem how many members do the trust have, I don’t have a opinion on the trust and what they do but many fans don’t follow the trust’s comms
There doesn’t need to be an explanation though, you’re crying over spilt milk. The club asked for me tickets received more than were told that was the limit. Go to an Orient Forum and ask why they’re a small club if it’s still bugging you
There are estimated to be about 5,000 Charlton fans who wanted to buy tickets and could not. That’s completely unacceptable, when the stadium had 14,000 empty seats, and people need to be held accountable. Ordinary fans are treated with contempt by the football authorities, with the connivance of many club owners. If we dont stand up to it, it will keep happening.
If the club had been more open about what was happening at the time there wouldn’t be an ongoing discussion. Private conversations with CAST are no substitute for inclusive comms.
It would not have helped anyone - least of all Charlton - to have pointed fingers at the time. The club did make fans aware of the efforts they were making.
We still do not have a full explanation from the authorities of how the process went wrong and we are seeking that. Fully agree with others that it was beyond unacceptable that so many of our fans missed out when the game wasn’t sold out.
There doesn’t need to be an explanation though, you’re crying over spilt milk. The club asked for me tickets received more than were told that was the limit. Go to an Orient Forum and ask why they’re a small club if it’s still bugging you
There are estimated to be about 5,000 Charlton fans who wanted to buy tickets and could not. That’s completely unacceptable, when the stadium had 14,000 empty seats, and people need to be held accountable. Ordinary fans are treated with contempt by the football authorities, with the connivance of many club owners. If we dont stand up to it, it will keep happening.
If the club had been more open about what was happening at the time there wouldn’t be an ongoing discussion. Private conversations with CAST are no substitute for inclusive comms.
It would not have helped anyone - least of all Charlton - to have pointed fingers at the time. The club did make fans aware of the efforts they were making.
We still do not have a full explanation from the authorities of how the process went wrong and we are seeking that. Fully agree with others that it was beyond unacceptable that so many of our fans missed out when the game wasn’t sold out.
Again though what detail have you established from the club?
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My point being don’t you need to understand this from the clubs perspective of what they could and did / did not do before discussing with the FSA?
My assumption is this was following a process (not shared with us) rather than being Charlton specific.
I cannot believe there is not a process. It’s inconceivable that given the number events hosted each year this does not follow a process.
And you’d think the way Orient sold would allow us to get more seats but clearly it wasn’t the case. If that was the plan, they wouldn’t have sold the entire bottom tier but sold from one side to the other.
1. equal allocation is default start point regardless of club profile / history
2. only get more if other team don’t sell what they got (but no time frame offered)
But your breaking news (at least to me) is Orient deliberately sold in a manner not dictated by the EFL to limit the number of CAFC fans in the ground owing to (I assume) some restrictions on segregation.
the club?
There is no need for secrecy.