‘The budget’ is this summers weird informed obsession for some
It was in January too. I remember a few posters asking people to find examples of teams who had been promoted from L1 not spending much, we can be added to those examples now
I can’t believe this thread is still going as strong as it is.
I can. Given the way threads tend to go in the close season I'm more surprised it's only veered slightly off topic rather than into entirely non-football related areas.
I'm concerned we don't yet know which School Thierry went to!
I use another website called RMWEB, which is about Railways and Model Railways, and I'm sure its based upon the same software platform as this one (common features, and some are almost exactly the same, eg screen top right sign in), it has hundreds and hundreds of threads and a common problem there is "thread drift".
I can’t believe this thread is still going as strong as it is.
I can. Given the way threads tend to go in the close season I'm more surprised it's only veered slightly off topic rather than into entirely non-football related areas.
It’s the new “us” Ali, you mods will have it easy now as we have become Championship forum posters 😁
I can’t believe this thread is still going as strong as it is.
I can. Given the way threads tend to go in the close season I'm more surprised it's only veered slightly off topic rather than into entirely non-football related areas.
I use another website called RMWEB, which is about Railways and Model Railways, and I'm sure its based upon the same software platform as this one (common features, and some are almost exactly the same, eg screen top right sign in), it has hundreds and hundreds of threads and a common problem there is "thread drift".
‘The budget’ is this summers weird informed obsession for some
It's not an obsession, it's a talking point. If people don't want to discuss it, that's that, they don't have to.
This is a thread about Thierry Small, we lost out on him cause of wages, so it becomes a discussion.
As a result a load of offspring conversations start. Just like every other thread ever on this forum. Surprised you feel the need to post this when you've used the forum as much as you have.
‘The budget’ is this summers weird informed obsession for some
It's not an obsession, it's a talking point. If people don't want to discuss it, that's that, they don't have to.
This is a thread about Thierry Small, we lost out on him cause of wages, so it becomes a discussion.
As a result a load of offspring conversations start. Just like every other thread ever on this forum. Surprised you feel the need to post this when you've used the forum as much as you have.
If there was a graph of usage it's on the decline in the last 5 years let's put it that way.
The budget has become a rhetorical tool for some to catastrophize the summer before it's even begun, and not matching whatever Preston was willing to pay is a useful way to get to it.
‘The budget’ is this summers weird informed obsession for some
It's not an obsession, it's a talking point. If people don't want to discuss it, that's that, they don't have to.
This is a thread about Thierry Small, we lost out on him cause of wages, so it becomes a discussion.
As a result a load of offspring conversations start. Just like every other thread ever on this forum. Surprised you feel the need to post this when you've used the forum as much as you have.
Many people assume it was money, but no one is sure, what about contract length? Or playing time? Or any other reason?
‘The budget’ is this summers weird informed obsession for some
It's not an obsession, it's a talking point. If people don't want to discuss it, that's that, they don't have to.
This is a thread about Thierry Small, we lost out on him cause of wages, so it becomes a discussion.
As a result a load of offspring conversations start. Just like every other thread ever on this forum. Surprised you feel the need to post this when you've used the forum as much as you have.
If there was a graph of usage it's on the decline in the last 5 years let's put it that way.
The budget has become a rhetorical tool for some to catastrophize the summer before it's even begun, and not matching whatever Preston was willing to pay is a useful way to get to it.
I'm not trying to catastrophize the summer, I'm just being realistic about the task ahead.
In League1 I always expected promotion, now in the Championship I hope we can stay up. Just highlighting the patterns from previous seasons on how that's usually achieved.
The figures pop up because of transfers like this happen.
‘The budget’ is this summers weird informed obsession for some
It's not an obsession, it's a talking point. If people don't want to discuss it, that's that, they don't have to.
This is a thread about Thierry Small, we lost out on him cause of wages, so it becomes a discussion.
As a result a load of offspring conversations start. Just like every other thread ever on this forum. Surprised you feel the need to post this when you've used the forum as much as you have.
Many people assume it was money, but no one is sure, what about contract length? Or playing time? Or any other reason?
Jones just wasn't going to make him promises and has better options elsewhere is my guess.
I can’t believe this thread is still going as strong as it is.
I can. Given the way threads tend to go in the close season I'm more surprised it's only veered slightly off topic rather than into entirely non-football related areas.
There's not much point in trying to work out clubs' budgets from the sources people have been chucking around on here. Even poring over club financial accounts isn't the zinger @Woodwork thinks it is, because, as the Price of Football often points out, different clubs report wages, and amortisation of transfer fees in different ways, making direct comparisons tricky. And of course they are out of date anyway.
We do know that clubs have the benefit of an internal EFL syndication of player wage budgets, and they use that to set their budgets for the coming season. That's how Methven was able to confidently assert that we had the 5th biggest budget in League One last season. (One club refused to take part last year in an act of massive dickheadery, but it was widely assumed to be Birmingham, so it didn't matter). With Methven gone we probably won't get anyone talking about where we set ourselves in the budget league table; but I wouldn't be surprised if we do something like AFC Wimbledon did, budget for 21st and give Nathan Jones a big performance bonus for finishing 20th. Poor old Bow would have been very happy with that package at the start of the 2019-20 season.
‘The budget’ is this summers weird informed obsession for some
It's not an obsession, it's a talking point. If people don't want to discuss it, that's that, they don't have to.
This is a thread about Thierry Small, we lost out on him cause of wages, so it becomes a discussion.
As a result a load of offspring conversations start. Just like every other thread ever on this forum. Surprised you feel the need to post this when you've used the forum as much as you have.
Many people assume it was money, but no one is sure, what about contract length? Or playing time? Or any other reason?
Jones just wasn't going to make him promises and has better options elsewhere is my guess.
‘The budget’ is this summers weird informed obsession for some
It's not an obsession, it's a talking point. If people don't want to discuss it, that's that, they don't have to.
This is a thread about Thierry Small, we lost out on him cause of wages, so it becomes a discussion.
As a result a load of offspring conversations start. Just like every other thread ever on this forum. Surprised you feel the need to post this when you've used the forum as much as you have.
Many people assume it was money, but no one is sure, what about contract length? Or playing time? Or any other reason?
Jones just wasn't going to make him promises and has better options elsewhere is my guess.
Its very unlikely to be any one thing really. Its entirely possible that he genuinely does see moving as a way to progress himself and making a higher wage in the process is just a bonus.
I certainly don't think that Preston offered him wages that are blowing us completely out of the water - higher maybe but double or triple or whatever the theory was would have been based on his old contract if true, not the improved terms.
It's a shame to see him go but Jones might see it as a chance to show that no one player is too big/too good and that he will call any bluff.
What was the bluff ? Going somwhere else for more money.
Basically exactly that. If they want to leverage another club offering them a longer contract/more money than we (Jones) feels they merit then off they go, we're not going to be drawn into a bidding war.
What was the bluff ? Going somwhere else for more money.
Basically exactly that. If they want to leverage another club offering them a longer contract/more money than we (Jones) feels they merit then off they go, we're not going to be drawn into a bidding war.
Fair enough I always thought bluffing was not having something good like a decent hand and trying your luck but small had an offer, In effect a reverse bluff : ))
What was the bluff ? Going somwhere else for more money.
Basically exactly that. If they want to leverage another club offering them a longer contract/more money than we (Jones) feels they merit then off they go, we're not going to be drawn into a bidding war.
Fair enough I always thought bluffing was not having something good like a decent hand and trying your luck but small had an offer, In effect a reverse bluff : ))
The bluff being that Small wanted us to match the offer he had but we refused.
Or alternatively I'm completely wrong, which I grant you is highly plausible.
There's not much point in trying to work out clubs' budgets from the sources people have been chucking around on here. Even poring over club financial accounts isn't the zinger @Woodwork thinks it is, because, as the Price of Football often points out, different clubs report wages, and amortisation of transfer fees in different ways, making direct comparisons tricky. And of course they are out of date anyway.
We do know that clubs have the benefit of an internal EFL syndication of player wage budgets, and they use that to set their budgets for the coming season. That's how Methven was able to confidently assert that we had the 5th biggest budget in League One last season. (One club refused to take part last year in an act of massive dickheadery, but it was widely assumed to be Birmingham, so it didn't matter). With Methven gone we probably won't get anyone talking about where we set ourselves in the budget league table; but I wouldn't be surprised if we do something like AFC Wimbledon did, budget for 21st and give Nathan Jones a big performance bonus for finishing 20th. Poor old Bow would have been very happy with that package at the start of the 2019-20 season.
I don’t think it is a ‘zinger’, you pompous arse. Just it is the only thing you can work from. Hence why I always put c£.
Back on Small. Yes he was crucial for us in the second half of the season, but that's also a reflection on the weird lack of depth we had in wide areas, and the failure to bring someone in during January.
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Thierry left, wish he hadn’t, but that’s life. I’m positive NJ isn’t losing any sleep over it, we shouldn’t either.
Trump, Farage, Starmer, immigration, woke.
That should do it nicely.
This is a thread about Thierry Small, we lost out on him cause of wages, so it becomes a discussion.
As a result a load of offspring conversations start. Just like every other thread ever on this forum. Surprised you feel the need to post this when you've used the forum as much as you have.
The budget has become a rhetorical tool for some to catastrophize the summer before it's even begun, and not matching whatever Preston was willing to pay is a useful way to get to it.
In League1 I always expected promotion, now in the Championship I hope we can stay up. Just highlighting the patterns from previous seasons on how that's usually achieved.
The figures pop up because of transfers like this happen.
We do know that clubs have the benefit of an internal EFL syndication of player wage budgets, and they use that to set their budgets for the coming season. That's how Methven was able to confidently assert that we had the 5th biggest budget in League One last season. (One club refused to take part last year in an act of massive dickheadery, but it was widely assumed to be Birmingham, so it didn't matter). With Methven gone we probably won't get anyone talking about where we set ourselves in the budget league table; but I wouldn't be surprised if we do something like AFC Wimbledon did, budget for 21st and give Nathan Jones a big performance bonus for finishing 20th. Poor old Bow would have been very happy with that package at the start of the 2019-20 season.
But before that, more money.
I certainly don't think that Preston offered him wages that are blowing us completely out of the water - higher maybe but double or triple or whatever the theory was would have been based on his old contract if true, not the improved terms.
It's a shame to see him go but Jones might see it as a chance to show that no one player is too big/too good and that he will call any bluff.
Or alternatively I'm completely wrong, which I grant you is highly plausible.