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  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    Fullah’s 24/25 highlights:

    https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKNHEoCoPhq/?igsh=MWV6eWU3dG5uaTRzYQ==
  • DubaiCAFC
    DubaiCAFC Posts: 2,461
    Scoham said:
    Fullah’s 24/25 highlights:

    https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKNHEoCoPhq/?igsh=MWV6eWU3dG5uaTRzYQ==
    Looks an exciting player from this. Reminds me of Joe Aribo
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 13,805
    Wont work for us, can make an insightful forward pass and also drive forwards. 
  • SteveACS
    SteveACS Posts: 373
    Scoham said:
    Fullah’s 24/25 highlights:

    https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKNHEoCoPhq/?igsh=MWV6eWU3dG5uaTRzYQ==
    An important point for those that still denigrate Docherty.

    When he came on, Doc was straight in his ear, telling him what he wanted from him. People like Fullah will need strong leadership to help them in their transition to being a squad regular.

    Sometimes I think people miss this kind of thing. Or don't appreciate it...
  • BobK
    BobK Posts: 88
    Last season the step was U21 to Div 1. This year I would expect fewer U21 players making the step to the Championship as the gap is much wider and a lot more pressure.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,024
    edited June 2

  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,219
    A new ground for many I would guest.  Miles out of town but near the A40.

    Unreliable source said a Charlton XI would be playing in Hastings pre-season
  • Mortimerwasgod
    Mortimerwasgod Posts: 551
    How unreliable!!?? Quick drive cross county for me if it happens.
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,273
    No releases/retained lost yet seems a bit late (I guess because of play offs).
  • Crusty54
    Crusty54 Posts: 3,231
    Athletico Charlton said:
    No releases/retained lost yet seems a bit late (I guess because of play offs).
    The players/parents were told before the penultimate game of the season. 
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  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    Does anyone know if we are going for Cat1 now we are in the Championship?
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,219
    Redrobo said:
    Does anyone know if we are going for Cat1 now we are in the Championship?
    I heard that we were going to invest heavily in making that happen and that was long before promotion was looking likely.

    If and when they go for another audit or how much has to be done first I don't know.

    When Sandgaard didn't get in, it was said it was largely political, as we were league 1, but there must have been concrete reasons given too for denying the upgrade eg facilities or lack of staff or systems.
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    Henry Irving said:
    Redrobo said:
    Does anyone know if we are going for Cat1 now we are in the Championship?
    I heard that we were going to invest heavily in making that happen and that was long before promotion was looking likely.

    If and when they go for another audit or how much has to be done first I don't know.

    When Sandgaard didn't get in, it was said it was largely political, as we were league 1, but there must have been concrete reasons given too for denying the upgrade eg facilities or lack of staff or systems.
    Thank you.
    I did hear at the time that the reason given was insufficient numbers of coaches and there was anger that a lot of the gaps were because coaches had left for other clubs and we had not had time to replace.
    Sounded a lame excuse and was put down to them not wanting to give to a club in league 1
    There may well be truth in that as we could have been given provisional status like others have.
    Really hoping we can get it soon and protect our investments. The academy deserves it.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,219
    Redrobo said:
    Henry Irving said:
    Redrobo said:
    Does anyone know if we are going for Cat1 now we are in the Championship?
    I heard that we were going to invest heavily in making that happen and that was long before promotion was looking likely.

    If and when they go for another audit or how much has to be done first I don't know.

    When Sandgaard didn't get in, it was said it was largely political, as we were league 1, but there must have been concrete reasons given too for denying the upgrade eg facilities or lack of staff or systems.
    Thank you.
    I did hear at the time that the reason given was insufficient numbers of coaches and there was anger that a lot of the gaps were because coaches had left for other clubs and we had not had time to replace.
    Sounded a lame excuse and was put down to them not wanting to give to a club in league 1
    There may well be truth in that as we could have been given provisional status like others have.
    Really hoping we can get it soon and protect our investments. The academy deserves it.
    Agree.

    Much as the first team strengthening is urgent, protecting the academy  is vital long term
  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 2,972
    It would cost two to three million pounds a year to run a level 1 academy, and of course upfront millions for new facilities. Is that? A good use of our limited financial resources. 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,024
    msomerton said:
    It would cost two to three million pounds a year to run a level 1 academy, and of course upfront millions for new facilities. Is that? A good use of our limited financial resources. 
    I'd say yes because the money is recouped by players playing for the first team and higher fees received for players being poached. Plus we will be able to recruit a (even) higher calibre of players. As long as it is spend well I can see no negatives to spending more money on our academy
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    Premier league teams are signing our younger players and we can’t stop them.
    If we r cat1 they will no longer be able to do that.
  • Carl Leaburn
    Carl Leaburn Posts: 1,117
    Apologies if it has been posted elsewhere, but I do not seem to have seen a full list of released U21 / youth players. Anyone else seen one?
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,024
    Carl Leaburn said:
    Apologies if it has been posted elsewhere, but I do not seem to have seen a full list of released U21 / youth players. Anyone else seen one?
    No, it hasn't been released yet despite it sounding like the players have known for quite some time
  • JohnnyH2
    JohnnyH2 Posts: 5,342
    Redrobo said:
    Premier league teams are signing our younger players and we can’t stop them.
    If we r cat1 they will no longer be able to do that.
    You still cant stop them as a Cat 1, you just get paid a much bigger fee
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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,219
    msomerton said:
    It would cost two to three million pounds a year to run a level 1 academy, and of course upfront millions for new facilities. Is that? A good use of our limited financial resources. 
    Don't think facilities were an issue.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,842
    JohnnyH2 said:
    Redrobo said:
    Premier league teams are signing our younger players and we can’t stop them.
    If we r cat1 they will no longer be able to do that.
    You still cant stop them as a Cat 1, you just get paid a much bigger fee
    A bigger fee, but still not massive. 

    Category 1 Academies:
    Players aged 12-16: £40,000 yearly compensation. 
    Category 2 Academies:
    Players aged 12-16: £25,000 yearly compensation. 
    Category 3 Academies:
    Players aged 12-16: £12,500 yearly compensation. 
    All Categories:
    Players aged 9-11: £3,000 yearly compensation. 
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,273
    Yeah, I think those saying that CAT1 will help us keep players or get properly renumerated when they leave are missing the above. 

    We will get a little more compensation but not enough to put the top clubs off taking our very best talents.

    CAT1 may help kids choose us in the first place and also help us hold onto players who look at rankings like that, but it wouldn't stop our best kids being poached sadly 
  • jose
    jose Posts: 619
    My understanding which might be wrong, is that if you’re cat 1 the teams get to play against ‘better’ players at clubs like Arsenal and Chelsea.
    The money thing might help too.
  • southamptonaddick
    southamptonaddick Posts: 4,054
    msomerton said:
    It would cost two to three million pounds a year to run a level 1 academy, and of course upfront millions for new facilities. Is that? A good use of our limited financial resources. 
    Who said we have limited financial resources?
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,273
    Is spending on things like the academy included in Championship FFP rules ?
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,024
    Athletico Charlton said:
    Is spending on things like the academy included in Championship FFP rules ?
    Pretty sure academy and women's team funding is exempt from spending rules at all levels
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,219
    Athletico Charlton said:
    Is spending on things like the academy included in Championship FFP rules ?
    No,

    IIRC you can spend as much as you like on academy, facilities, your ground and women's team.

    It is just your spend on football wages and fees that counts towards FFP or PSF or whatever it is called this season.

    IIRC you can lose up to £39 over three seasons in the Championship so an average of £13m a year. 

    We lost £13.9m in 23/24 but not all of that will be counted towards FFP.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,219
    jose said:
    My understanding which might be wrong, is that if you’re cat 1 the teams get to play against ‘better’ players at clubs like Arsenal and Chelsea.
    The money thing might help too.
    We would indeed and that would improve our players.

    But longer term it means we can recruit and keep better players.

    Currently young local lads and their parents can choose Cat1 West Ham, Arsenal, Chelsea, Fulham or Palace or Cat2 Charlton or QPR.

    We still punch well above our weight but Cat1 would make everything easier
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,273
    edited June 10
    I wonder if our youth team scouting was also depleted in recent years. 

    The team my lad (age 12) was playing for last season had a striker who was invited toz and is currently trialling at Spurs, Arsenal and Palace. 

    Being in Bromley Palace was no surprise (they have trialled two other kids in the team previously), but I never heard of or saw a Charlton scout watching (the Palace and Spurs scouts were quite open when they came along).

    It's a very small sample and, as I said the Charlton scouts might simply be less visible when they watch, just made me wonder.

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