Murph has resigned from Vitesse as he is joining Charlton as CEO it is reported… so all good
and many great reports from Barnsley and Forest fans…
This is really good news for Charlton…
Dare I say it… ”We’ve got our Charlton back…we’ve got our Charlton back”
(oooh and it feels fine)
Sorry but we don't. Not yet. We don't own our own stadium and while we're absolutely moving in the right direction I think we need to see all these big moves and positive steps actually pay off before we say that we've actually got it back.
We're closer than we've been for a very long time yes but I wouldn't say it is done just yet.
a. promotion to the Championship in front of 45,000 Charlton fans, signing new players, hiring a CEO with a spectacular cv, tying Nathan Jones down to a long-term contract, continuing to rent The Valley, set the club on course to become profitable (eventually) thereby gathering investment and resources required to purchase The Valley
b. Buy The Valley, sign no new players for five seasons, lose Nathan Jones, sell all players with value, remain in League One, battle against relegation for several seasons, successively close stands in order to match rapidly dwindling crowds, save some rent
Which path would you prefer?
It’s highly unlikely the club will ever be profitable enough to buy The Valley, particularly at RD’s imaginary value. However, unless there is some kind of deal, the club’s future will be at risk by 2030 and force the owners to consider escape routes, either for themselves or the club.
I thought the lease expired in 2035, so presumably there's a break at 2030 giving Roland an opt out.
So, if there's a break in the lease at 2030, which is only 5 years away, the situation will start getting more urgent very soon, even 2035 is no time at all. Can't see him anyway in the slightest being sympathetic to our cause the nearer we get to termination day, (by that i mean the end of lease). So we either find a way of negotiating a realistic price for The Valley as well as Sparrows, or face the consequences...🤷♂️
Or extend the lease.
Just like that, ain't life just a bowl of cherries...
I was just expressing another option other than buying The Valley or being homeless. Where did I indicate it would be easy?
As far as I understood, there was previously a division of labour where Methven was strictly commercial and “off-field growth”, Rodwell was “football operations”/training ground and Scott was recruitment and technical (players, basically).
If Dane Murphy is a credited with a lot of player deals, it will be interesting to see if they bother replacing Scott with a technical director… and what it means for Rodwell longer term. I guess Murphy will handle more of the transfer activity than Methven but less of the recruiting than Scott… basically letting Chapple and the manager focus on which players to get.
That was the public line but I’m not convinced Methven was actually doing the job or that Rodwell was fully focused on the football side. I suspect it was just a cover story to explain Methven being put in a position where he could be held to account. Mind you, they were at loggerheads, as Charlie was with Warrick, so who knows how that could ever have worked?
Do we know why they were at loggerheads?
What were the disagreements- was Rodwell arguing for greater player spend for example?
You appear to be desperate to discover that the club aren't spending enough money.
From the little I know it was that Charlie made a lot of promises about commercial income he didn't deliver on, leaked worse than a cracked sieve and run up huge bar bills after games and those are just the snippets that I heard, there is almost certainly a lot more of which I have no knowledge.
Carter came in towards the end of 2024 at the request of the main owners as they, IMHO, wanted to get a much better handle on who did what and the value for money that the owners were getting from various staff.
Directly or indirectly as a result, IMHO, we've seen Methven, Scott and Commercial Manager Barry Higson all leave.
Warrick is far more front and centre and Murphy has just come in which I think is both a major upgrade on Methven and significant financial investment as I don't think he would come cheap or be willing to give up his holding in Vitesse Arnham if he thought Charlton were trying to do things "on the cheap".
Mine was a question based on Rodwell being more focused on the football side.
I’m surprised their falling out would be on what you allege about CM expense. That’s more for the money men I would imagine.
I’m asking if there was a fundamental disagreement on direction /strategy rather than anything else.
Beyond that I think it’s clear we aren’t spending big on the playing side. That is established and not news.
Is it? You've seen the budget for this coming season then?
You said the same, constantly, for last season when we had the 4th or 5th biggest budget in the division.
Based on the ‘sustainable’ comment by GC.
You are focussing on the wrong part of my post though. I’m curious what they fundamentally fell out over.
The new floodlights are another example of the club spending money rather than kicking that can down the road as has happened too often recently.
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My thinking was the ‘cost’ would be the back of shirt sponsorship and related advertising package.
I doubt that.
Back of shorts sponsorship is minimal and less that the 100ks a whole new system would cost. @Swisdom @Swisdom might know more
For the first time in donkeys I’m confident that the club is being run by people that actually know what they’re doing. Our budget will have been discussed with Jones and he feels comfortable enough with it to commit five years of his life to “the journey”. I think realistically we’ll be looking down and not up next season but will have enough about us to survive and build. Relegation would be a disaster and I’m 100% confident that our owners haven’t got where they’ve gotten by not speculating to accumulate when it makes sense. I’d suggest that Charlton find themselves in a unique (?) position of going up with two other teams that are being tipped as promotion contenders and not relegation. That makes our season just a bit harder I’d say.
Murph has resigned from Vitesse as he is joining Charlton as CEO it is reported… so all good
and many great reports from Barnsley and Forest fans…
This is really good news for Charlton…
Dare I say it… ”We’ve got our Charlton back…we’ve got our Charlton back”
(oooh and it feels fine)
Sorry but we don't. Not yet. We don't own our own stadium and while we're absolutely moving in the right direction I think we need to see all these big moves and positive steps actually pay off before we say that we've actually got it back.
We're closer than we've been for a very long time yes but I wouldn't say it is done just yet.
a. promotion to the Championship in front of 45,000 Charlton fans, signing new players, hiring a CEO with a spectacular cv, tying Nathan Jones down to a long-term contract, continuing to rent The Valley, set the club on course to become profitable (eventually) thereby gathering investment and resources required to purchase The Valley
b. Buy The Valley, sign no new players for five seasons, lose Nathan Jones, sell all players with value, remain in League One, battle against relegation for several seasons, successively close stands in order to match rapidly dwindling crowds, save some rent
Which path would you prefer?
It’s highly unlikely the club will ever be profitable enough to buy The Valley, particularly at RD’s imaginary value. However, unless there is some kind of deal, the club’s future will be at risk by 2030 and force the owners to consider escape routes, either for themselves or the club.
I thought the lease expired in 2035, so presumably there's a break at 2030 giving Roland an opt out.
So, if there's a break in the lease at 2030, which is only 5 years away, the situation will start getting more urgent very soon, even 2035 is no time at all. Can't see him anyway in the slightest being sympathetic to our cause the nearer we get to termination day, (by that i mean the end of lease). So we either find a way of negotiating a realistic price for The Valley as well as Sparrows, or face the consequences...🤷♂️
Or extend the lease.
Just like that, ain't life just a bowl of cherries...
To be fair what else is RD going to do? He can’t realistically sell it from under us. Last I heard there were some discussions with a third party about a potential sale that would have resulted in them having some stake in the club alongside a long term lease. That came from CM so make of it what you will. Either way that was over a year ago and heard nothing since so assume it died a death.
Murph has resigned from Vitesse as he is joining Charlton as CEO it is reported… so all good
and many great reports from Barnsley and Forest fans…
This is really good news for Charlton…
Dare I say it… ”We’ve got our Charlton back…we’ve got our Charlton back”
(oooh and it feels fine)
Sorry but we don't. Not yet. We don't own our own stadium and while we're absolutely moving in the right direction I think we need to see all these big moves and positive steps actually pay off before we say that we've actually got it back.
We're closer than we've been for a very long time yes but I wouldn't say it is done just yet.
a. promotion to the Championship in front of 45,000 Charlton fans, signing new players, hiring a CEO with a spectacular cv, tying Nathan Jones down to a long-term contract, continuing to rent The Valley, set the club on course to become profitable (eventually) thereby gathering investment and resources required to purchase The Valley
b. Buy The Valley, sign no new players for five seasons, lose Nathan Jones, sell all players with value, remain in League One, battle against relegation for several seasons, successively close stands in order to match rapidly dwindling crowds, save some rent
Which path would you prefer?
It’s highly unlikely the club will ever be profitable enough to buy The Valley, particularly at RD’s imaginary value. However, unless there is some kind of deal, the club’s future will be at risk by 2030 and force the owners to consider escape routes, either for themselves or the club.
I thought the lease expired in 2035, so presumably there's a break at 2030 giving Roland an opt out.
So, if there's a break in the lease at 2030, which is only 5 years away, the situation will start getting more urgent very soon, even 2035 is no time at all. Can't see him anyway in the slightest being sympathetic to our cause the nearer we get to termination day, (by that i mean the end of lease). So we either find a way of negotiating a realistic price for The Valley as well as Sparrows, or face the consequences...🤷♂️
Or extend the lease.
Just like that, ain't life just a bowl of cherries...
I was just expressing another option other than buying The Valley or being homeless. Where did I indicate it would be easy?
You didn't express anything of the sort Bob, it was just an expression of frustration on my part against DuChat's, extending the lease is surely the last option on our part, we need the realestate to be able to move forward as a club regarding generating finances and making improvements/stand extensions etc that we wish going forward and hopefully up the ladder...
Murph has resigned from Vitesse as he is joining Charlton as CEO it is reported… so all good
and many great reports from Barnsley and Forest fans…
This is really good news for Charlton…
Dare I say it… ”We’ve got our Charlton back…we’ve got our Charlton back”
(oooh and it feels fine)
Sorry but we don't. Not yet. We don't own our own stadium and while we're absolutely moving in the right direction I think we need to see all these big moves and positive steps actually pay off before we say that we've actually got it back.
We're closer than we've been for a very long time yes but I wouldn't say it is done just yet.
a. promotion to the Championship in front of 45,000 Charlton fans, signing new players, hiring a CEO with a spectacular cv, tying Nathan Jones down to a long-term contract, continuing to rent The Valley, set the club on course to become profitable (eventually) thereby gathering investment and resources required to purchase The Valley
b. Buy The Valley, sign no new players for five seasons, lose Nathan Jones, sell all players with value, remain in League One, battle against relegation for several seasons, successively close stands in order to match rapidly dwindling crowds, save some rent
Which path would you prefer?
It’s highly unlikely the club will ever be profitable enough to buy The Valley, particularly at RD’s imaginary value. However, unless there is some kind of deal, the club’s future will be at risk by 2030 and force the owners to consider escape routes, either for themselves or the club.
I thought the lease expired in 2035, so presumably there's a break at 2030 giving Roland an opt out.
So, if there's a break in the lease at 2030, which is only 5 years away, the situation will start getting more urgent very soon, even 2035 is no time at all. Can't see him anyway in the slightest being sympathetic to our cause the nearer we get to termination day, (by that i mean the end of lease). So we either find a way of negotiating a realistic price for The Valley as well as Sparrows, or face the consequences...🤷♂️
Or extend the lease.
Just like that, ain't life just a bowl of cherries...
I was just expressing another option other than buying The Valley or being homeless. Where did I indicate it would be easy?
You didn't express anything of the sort Bob, it was just an expression of frustration on my part against DuChat's, extending the lease is surely the last option on our part, we need the realestate to be able to move forward as a club regarding generating finances and making improvements/stand extensions etc that we wish going forward and hopefully up the ladder...
It's the second best of the three options, but in the short to medium term probably the most realistic, and security of tenure for more than what's left on the current lease is critical. The end game though has to be to unite The Valley with the club in some way or another that is financially doable.
Murph has resigned from Vitesse as he is joining Charlton as CEO it is reported… so all good
and many great reports from Barnsley and Forest fans…
This is really good news for Charlton…
Dare I say it… ”We’ve got our Charlton back…we’ve got our Charlton back”
(oooh and it feels fine)
Sorry but we don't. Not yet. We don't own our own stadium and while we're absolutely moving in the right direction I think we need to see all these big moves and positive steps actually pay off before we say that we've actually got it back.
We're closer than we've been for a very long time yes but I wouldn't say it is done just yet.
a. promotion to the Championship in front of 45,000 Charlton fans, signing new players, hiring a CEO with a spectacular cv, tying Nathan Jones down to a long-term contract, continuing to rent The Valley, set the club on course to become profitable (eventually) thereby gathering investment and resources required to purchase The Valley
b. Buy The Valley, sign no new players for five seasons, lose Nathan Jones, sell all players with value, remain in League One, battle against relegation for several seasons, successively close stands in order to match rapidly dwindling crowds, save some rent
Which path would you prefer?
It’s highly unlikely the club will ever be profitable enough to buy The Valley, particularly at RD’s imaginary value. However, unless there is some kind of deal, the club’s future will be at risk by 2030 and force the owners to consider escape routes, either for themselves or the club.
I thought the lease expired in 2035, so presumably there's a break at 2030 giving Roland an opt out.
So, if there's a break in the lease at 2030, which is only 5 years away, the situation will start getting more urgent very soon, even 2035 is no time at all. Can't see him anyway in the slightest being sympathetic to our cause the nearer we get to termination day, (by that i mean the end of lease). So we either find a way of negotiating a realistic price for The Valley as well as Sparrows, or face the consequences...🤷♂️
Or extend the lease.
Just like that, ain't life just a bowl of cherries...
I was just expressing another option other than buying The Valley or being homeless. Where did I indicate it would be easy?
You didn't express anything of the sort Bob, it was just an expression of frustration on my part against DuChat's, extending the lease is surely the last option on our part, we need the realestate to be able to move forward as a club regarding generating finances and making improvements/stand extensions etc that we wish going forward and hopefully up the ladder...
It's the second best of the three options, but in the short to medium term probably the most realistic, and security of tenure for more than what's left on the current lease is critical. The end game though has to be to unite The Valley with the club in some way or another that is financially doable.
Agree Bob, so let's just see how things progress, can't see DuChat's doing anything more than increasing the rent as we progress up the ladder, ASAP with the purchase is the name of the game though...
Murph has resigned from Vitesse as he is joining Charlton as CEO it is reported… so all good
and many great reports from Barnsley and Forest fans…
This is really good news for Charlton…
Dare I say it… ”We’ve got our Charlton back…we’ve got our Charlton back”
(oooh and it feels fine)
Sorry but we don't. Not yet. We don't own our own stadium and while we're absolutely moving in the right direction I think we need to see all these big moves and positive steps actually pay off before we say that we've actually got it back.
We're closer than we've been for a very long time yes but I wouldn't say it is done just yet.
a. promotion to the Championship in front of 45,000 Charlton fans, signing new players, hiring a CEO with a spectacular cv, tying Nathan Jones down to a long-term contract, continuing to rent The Valley, set the club on course to become profitable (eventually) thereby gathering investment and resources required to purchase The Valley
b. Buy The Valley, sign no new players for five seasons, lose Nathan Jones, sell all players with value, remain in League One, battle against relegation for several seasons, successively close stands in order to match rapidly dwindling crowds, save some rent
Which path would you prefer?
It’s highly unlikely the club will ever be profitable enough to buy The Valley, particularly at RD’s imaginary value. However, unless there is some kind of deal, the club’s future will be at risk by 2030 and force the owners to consider escape routes, either for themselves or the club.
I thought the lease expired in 2035, so presumably there's a break at 2030 giving Roland an opt out.
So, if there's a break in the lease at 2030, which is only 5 years away, the situation will start getting more urgent very soon, even 2035 is no time at all. Can't see him anyway in the slightest being sympathetic to our cause the nearer we get to termination day, (by that i mean the end of lease). So we either find a way of negotiating a realistic price for The Valley as well as Sparrows, or face the consequences...🤷♂️
I have nothing but respect for airmen, what he has done to help the club etc etc - even though he got a bit trappy a few years back with me when I was posting things he didn’t believe - which turned out to be true - but would he consider offering himself up as personal butler to RD for a period of maybe a month, whilst wearing a ‘I’m sorry’ t shirt? in return RD sells the valley at s reasonable price and we all live happily ever after ? Maybe clean Katriens flat for a month as well - I have a nasty feeling we have a ‘over my dead body’ situation with RD and the valley - how do we get past that ?
Murph has resigned from Vitesse as he is joining Charlton as CEO it is reported… so all good
and many great reports from Barnsley and Forest fans…
This is really good news for Charlton…
Dare I say it… ”We’ve got our Charlton back…we’ve got our Charlton back”
(oooh and it feels fine)
Sorry but we don't. Not yet. We don't own our own stadium and while we're absolutely moving in the right direction I think we need to see all these big moves and positive steps actually pay off before we say that we've actually got it back.
We're closer than we've been for a very long time yes but I wouldn't say it is done just yet.
a. promotion to the Championship in front of 45,000 Charlton fans, signing new players, hiring a CEO with a spectacular cv, tying Nathan Jones down to a long-term contract, continuing to rent The Valley, set the club on course to become profitable (eventually) thereby gathering investment and resources required to purchase The Valley
b. Buy The Valley, sign no new players for five seasons, lose Nathan Jones, sell all players with value, remain in League One, battle against relegation for several seasons, successively close stands in order to match rapidly dwindling crowds, save some rent
Which path would you prefer?
It’s highly unlikely the club will ever be profitable enough to buy The Valley, particularly at RD’s imaginary value. However, unless there is some kind of deal, the club’s future will be at risk by 2030 and force the owners to consider escape routes, either for themselves or the club.
I thought the lease expired in 2035, so presumably there's a break at 2030 giving Roland an opt out.
So, if there's a break in the lease at 2030, which is only 5 years away, the situation will start getting more urgent very soon, even 2035 is no time at all. Can't see him anyway in the slightest being sympathetic to our cause the nearer we get to termination day, (by that i mean the end of lease). So we either find a way of negotiating a realistic price for The Valley as well as Sparrows, or face the consequences...🤷♂️
I have nothing but respect for airmen, what he has done to help the club etc etc - even though he got a bit trappy a few years back with me when I was posting things he didn’t believe - which turned out to be true - but would he consider offering himself up as personal butler to RD for a period of maybe a month, whilst wearing a ‘I’m sorry’ t shirt? in return RD sells the valley at s reasonable price and we all live happily ever after ? Maybe clean Katriens flat for a month as well - I have a nasty feeling we have a ‘over my dead body’ situation with RD and the valley - how do we get past that ?
I believe you may have unwittingly come up with the solution Doucher...🙄
Murph has resigned from Vitesse as he is joining Charlton as CEO it is reported… so all good
and many great reports from Barnsley and Forest fans…
This is really good news for Charlton…
Dare I say it… ”We’ve got our Charlton back…we’ve got our Charlton back”
(oooh and it feels fine)
Sorry but we don't. Not yet. We don't own our own stadium and while we're absolutely moving in the right direction I think we need to see all these big moves and positive steps actually pay off before we say that we've actually got it back.
We're closer than we've been for a very long time yes but I wouldn't say it is done just yet.
a. promotion to the Championship in front of 45,000 Charlton fans, signing new players, hiring a CEO with a spectacular cv, tying Nathan Jones down to a long-term contract, continuing to rent The Valley, set the club on course to become profitable (eventually) thereby gathering investment and resources required to purchase The Valley
b. Buy The Valley, sign no new players for five seasons, lose Nathan Jones, sell all players with value, remain in League One, battle against relegation for several seasons, successively close stands in order to match rapidly dwindling crowds, save some rent
Which path would you prefer?
It’s highly unlikely the club will ever be profitable enough to buy The Valley, particularly at RD’s imaginary value. However, unless there is some kind of deal, the club’s future will be at risk by 2030 and force the owners to consider escape routes, either for themselves or the club.
I thought the lease expired in 2035, so presumably there's a break at 2030 giving Roland an opt out.
So, if there's a break in the lease at 2030, which is only 5 years away, the situation will start getting more urgent very soon, even 2035 is no time at all. Can't see him anyway in the slightest being sympathetic to our cause the nearer we get to termination day, (by that i mean the end of lease). So we either find a way of negotiating a realistic price for The Valley as well as Sparrows, or face the consequences...🤷♂️
I have nothing but respect for airmen, what he has done to help the club etc etc - even though he got a bit trappy a few years back with me when I was posting things he didn’t believe - which turned out to be true - but would he consider offering himself up as personal butler to RD for a period of maybe a month, whilst wearing a ‘I’m sorry’ t shirt? in return RD sells the valley at s reasonable price and we all live happily ever after ? Maybe clean Katriens flat for a month as well - I have a nasty feeling we have a ‘over my dead body’ situation with RD and the valley - how do we get past that ?
I believe you may have unwittingly come up with the solution Doucher...🙄
Murph has resigned from Vitesse as he is joining Charlton as CEO it is reported… so all good
and many great reports from Barnsley and Forest fans…
This is really good news for Charlton…
Dare I say it… ”We’ve got our Charlton back…we’ve got our Charlton back”
(oooh and it feels fine)
Sorry but we don't. Not yet. We don't own our own stadium and while we're absolutely moving in the right direction I think we need to see all these big moves and positive steps actually pay off before we say that we've actually got it back.
We're closer than we've been for a very long time yes but I wouldn't say it is done just yet.
a. promotion to the Championship in front of 45,000 Charlton fans, signing new players, hiring a CEO with a spectacular cv, tying Nathan Jones down to a long-term contract, continuing to rent The Valley, set the club on course to become profitable (eventually) thereby gathering investment and resources required to purchase The Valley
b. Buy The Valley, sign no new players for five seasons, lose Nathan Jones, sell all players with value, remain in League One, battle against relegation for several seasons, successively close stands in order to match rapidly dwindling crowds, save some rent
Which path would you prefer?
It’s highly unlikely the club will ever be profitable enough to buy The Valley, particularly at RD’s imaginary value. However, unless there is some kind of deal, the club’s future will be at risk by 2030 and force the owners to consider escape routes, either for themselves or the club.
I thought the lease expired in 2035, so presumably there's a break at 2030 giving Roland an opt out.
So, if there's a break in the lease at 2030, which is only 5 years away, the situation will start getting more urgent very soon, even 2035 is no time at all. Can't see him anyway in the slightest being sympathetic to our cause the nearer we get to termination day, (by that i mean the end of lease). So we either find a way of negotiating a realistic price for The Valley as well as Sparrows, or face the consequences...🤷♂️
I have nothing but respect for airmen, what he has done to help the club etc etc - even though he got a bit trappy a few years back with me when I was posting things he didn’t believe - which turned out to be true - but would he consider offering himself up as personal butler to RD for a period of maybe a month, whilst wearing a ‘I’m sorry’ t shirt? in return RD sells the valley at s reasonable price and we all live happily ever after ? Maybe clean Katriens flat for a month as well - I have a nasty feeling we have a ‘over my dead body’ situation with RD and the valley - how do we get past that ?
I believe you may have unwittingly come up with the solution Doucher...🙄
Maybe we agree to keep his dead body in the museum ?
Murph has resigned from Vitesse as he is joining Charlton as CEO it is reported… so all good
and many great reports from Barnsley and Forest fans…
This is really good news for Charlton…
Dare I say it… ”We’ve got our Charlton back…we’ve got our Charlton back”
(oooh and it feels fine)
Sorry but we don't. Not yet. We don't own our own stadium and while we're absolutely moving in the right direction I think we need to see all these big moves and positive steps actually pay off before we say that we've actually got it back.
We're closer than we've been for a very long time yes but I wouldn't say it is done just yet.
a. promotion to the Championship in front of 45,000 Charlton fans, signing new players, hiring a CEO with a spectacular cv, tying Nathan Jones down to a long-term contract, continuing to rent The Valley, set the club on course to become profitable (eventually) thereby gathering investment and resources required to purchase The Valley
b. Buy The Valley, sign no new players for five seasons, lose Nathan Jones, sell all players with value, remain in League One, battle against relegation for several seasons, successively close stands in order to match rapidly dwindling crowds, save some rent
Which path would you prefer?
It’s highly unlikely the club will ever be profitable enough to buy The Valley, particularly at RD’s imaginary value. However, unless there is some kind of deal, the club’s future will be at risk by 2030 and force the owners to consider escape routes, either for themselves or the club.
I thought the lease expired in 2035, so presumably there's a break at 2030 giving Roland an opt out.
So, if there's a break in the lease at 2030, which is only 5 years away, the situation will start getting more urgent very soon, even 2035 is no time at all. Can't see him anyway in the slightest being sympathetic to our cause the nearer we get to termination day, (by that i mean the end of lease). So we either find a way of negotiating a realistic price for The Valley as well as Sparrows, or face the consequences...🤷♂️
I have nothing but respect for airmen, what he has done to help the club etc etc - even though he got a bit trappy a few years back with me when I was posting things he didn’t believe - which turned out to be true - but would he consider offering himself up as personal butler to RD for a period of maybe a month, whilst wearing a ‘I’m sorry’ t shirt? in return RD sells the valley at s reasonable price and we all live happily ever after ? Maybe clean Katriens flat for a month as well - I have a nasty feeling we have a ‘over my dead body’ situation with RD and the valley - how do we get past that ?
I believe you may have unwittingly come up with the solution Doucher...🙄
Maybe we agree to keep his dead body in the museum ?
Good idea, maybe open a "House of Horrors" exhibition, and incl Mouthall, Fartsmell & Co.
Murph has resigned from Vitesse as he is joining Charlton as CEO it is reported… so all good
and many great reports from Barnsley and Forest fans…
This is really good news for Charlton…
Dare I say it… ”We’ve got our Charlton back…we’ve got our Charlton back”
(oooh and it feels fine)
Sorry but we don't. Not yet. We don't own our own stadium and while we're absolutely moving in the right direction I think we need to see all these big moves and positive steps actually pay off before we say that we've actually got it back.
We're closer than we've been for a very long time yes but I wouldn't say it is done just yet.
a. promotion to the Championship in front of 45,000 Charlton fans, signing new players, hiring a CEO with a spectacular cv, tying Nathan Jones down to a long-term contract, continuing to rent The Valley, set the club on course to become profitable (eventually) thereby gathering investment and resources required to purchase The Valley
b. Buy The Valley, sign no new players for five seasons, lose Nathan Jones, sell all players with value, remain in League One, battle against relegation for several seasons, successively close stands in order to match rapidly dwindling crowds, save some rent
Which path would you prefer?
It’s highly unlikely the club will ever be profitable enough to buy The Valley, particularly at RD’s imaginary value. However, unless there is some kind of deal, the club’s future will be at risk by 2030 and force the owners to consider escape routes, either for themselves or the club.
I thought the lease expired in 2035, so presumably there's a break at 2030 giving Roland an opt out.
So, if there's a break in the lease at 2030, which is only 5 years away, the situation will start getting more urgent very soon, even 2035 is no time at all. Can't see him anyway in the slightest being sympathetic to our cause the nearer we get to termination day, (by that i mean the end of lease). So we either find a way of negotiating a realistic price for The Valley as well as Sparrows, or face the consequences...🤷♂️
Or extend the lease.
Just like that, ain't life just a bowl of cherries...
Murph has resigned from Vitesse as he is joining Charlton as CEO it is reported… so all good
and many great reports from Barnsley and Forest fans…
This is really good news for Charlton…
Dare I say it… ”We’ve got our Charlton back…we’ve got our Charlton back”
(oooh and it feels fine)
Sorry but we don't. Not yet. We don't own our own stadium and while we're absolutely moving in the right direction I think we need to see all these big moves and positive steps actually pay off before we say that we've actually got it back.
We're closer than we've been for a very long time yes but I wouldn't say it is done just yet.
a. promotion to the Championship in front of 45,000 Charlton fans, signing new players, hiring a CEO with a spectacular cv, tying Nathan Jones down to a long-term contract, continuing to rent The Valley, set the club on course to become profitable (eventually) thereby gathering investment and resources required to purchase The Valley
b. Buy The Valley, sign no new players for five seasons, lose Nathan Jones, sell all players with value, remain in League One, battle against relegation for several seasons, successively close stands in order to match rapidly dwindling crowds, save some rent
Which path would you prefer?
It’s highly unlikely the club will ever be profitable enough to buy The Valley, particularly at RD’s imaginary value. However, unless there is some kind of deal, the club’s future will be at risk by 2030 and force the owners to consider escape routes, either for themselves or the club.
As far as I understood, there was previously a division of labour where Methven was strictly commercial and “off-field growth”, Rodwell was “football operations”/training ground and Scott was recruitment and technical (players, basically).
If Dane Murphy is a credited with a lot of player deals, it will be interesting to see if they bother replacing Scott with a technical director… and what it means for Rodwell longer term. I guess Murphy will handle more of the transfer activity than Methven but less of the recruiting than Scott… basically letting Chapple and the manager focus on which players to get.
That was the public line but I’m not convinced Methven was actually doing the job or that Rodwell was fully focused on the football side. I suspect it was just a cover story to explain Methven being put in a position where he could be held to account. Mind you, they were at loggerheads, as Charlie was with Warrick, so who knows how that could ever have worked?
Do we know why they were at loggerheads?
What were the disagreements- was Rodwell arguing for greater player spend for example?
You appear to be desperate to discover that the club aren't spending enough money.
From the little I know it was that Charlie made a lot of promises about commercial income he didn't deliver on, leaked worse than a cracked sieve and run up huge bar bills after games and those are just the snippets that I heard, there is almost certainly a lot more of which I have no knowledge.
Carter came in towards the end of 2024 at the request of the main owners as they, IMHO, wanted to get a much better handle on who did what and the value for money that the owners were getting from various staff.
Directly or indirectly as a result, IMHO, we've seen Methven, Scott and Commercial Manager Barry Higson all leave.
Warrick is far more front and centre and Murphy has just come in which I think is both a major upgrade on Methven and significant financial investment as I don't think he would come cheap or be willing to give up his holding in Vitesse Arnham if he thought Charlton were trying to do things "on the cheap".
Mine was a question based on Rodwell being more focused on the football side.
I’m surprised their falling out would be on what you allege about CM expense. That’s more for the money men I would imagine.
I’m asking if there was a fundamental disagreement on direction /strategy rather than anything else.
Beyond that I think it’s clear we aren’t spending big on the playing side. That is established and not news.
Is it? You've seen the budget for this coming season then?
You said the same, constantly, for last season when we had the 4th or 5th biggest budget in the division.
Based on the ‘sustainable’ comment by GC.
You are focussing on the wrong part of my post though. I’m curious what they fundamentally fell out over.
The new floodlights are another example of the club spending money rather than kicking that can down the road as has happened too often recently.
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My thinking was the ‘cost’ would be the back of shirt sponsorship and related advertising package.
I doubt that.
Back of shorts sponsorship is minimal and less that the 100ks a whole new system would cost. @Swisdom @Swisdom might know more
Not sure of the numbers involved but I know what we quoted and we chopped the bollocks off it as a favour to the club.
id assume there’s a payment plan involved rather than paying it all up front.
Ambitious. Young. Ex-footballer. Ex-scout. Ex-technical director. American connection. Experience in English football. Experience in European football.
As far as I understood, there was previously a division of labour where Methven was strictly commercial and “off-field growth”, Rodwell was “football operations”/training ground and Scott was recruitment and technical (players, basically).
If Dane Murphy is a credited with a lot of player deals, it will be interesting to see if they bother replacing Scott with a technical director… and what it means for Rodwell longer term. I guess Murphy will handle more of the transfer activity than Methven but less of the recruiting than Scott… basically letting Chapple and the manager focus on which players to get.
That was the public line but I’m not convinced Methven was actually doing the job or that Rodwell was fully focused on the football side. I suspect it was just a cover story to explain Methven being put in a position where he could be held to account. Mind you, they were at loggerheads, as Charlie was with Warrick, so who knows how that could ever have worked?
Do we know why they were at loggerheads?
What were the disagreements- was Rodwell arguing for greater player spend for example?
You appear to be desperate to discover that the club aren't spending enough money.
From the little I know it was that Charlie made a lot of promises about commercial income he didn't deliver on, leaked worse than a cracked sieve and run up huge bar bills after games and those are just the snippets that I heard, there is almost certainly a lot more of which I have no knowledge.
Carter came in towards the end of 2024 at the request of the main owners as they, IMHO, wanted to get a much better handle on who did what and the value for money that the owners were getting from various staff.
Directly or indirectly as a result, IMHO, we've seen Methven, Scott and Commercial Manager Barry Higson all leave.
Warrick is far more front and centre and Murphy has just come in which I think is both a major upgrade on Methven and significant financial investment as I don't think he would come cheap or be willing to give up his holding in Vitesse Arnham if he thought Charlton were trying to do things "on the cheap".
Looking at the comparison table of Championship clubs, our commercial income is embarrassingly low. By far the smallest of all clubs, even less than Oxford.
It's clear the club is being poorly managed on that side, and suggests other things could be improved. Hopefully the Reebok deal is the start of an upward direction for income generally.
As far as I understood, there was previously a division of labour where Methven was strictly commercial and “off-field growth”, Rodwell was “football operations”/training ground and Scott was recruitment and technical (players, basically).
If Dane Murphy is a credited with a lot of player deals, it will be interesting to see if they bother replacing Scott with a technical director… and what it means for Rodwell longer term. I guess Murphy will handle more of the transfer activity than Methven but less of the recruiting than Scott… basically letting Chapple and the manager focus on which players to get.
That was the public line but I’m not convinced Methven was actually doing the job or that Rodwell was fully focused on the football side. I suspect it was just a cover story to explain Methven being put in a position where he could be held to account. Mind you, they were at loggerheads, as Charlie was with Warrick, so who knows how that could ever have worked?
Do we know why they were at loggerheads?
What were the disagreements- was Rodwell arguing for greater player spend for example?
You appear to be desperate to discover that the club aren't spending enough money.
From the little I know it was that Charlie made a lot of promises about commercial income he didn't deliver on, leaked worse than a cracked sieve and run up huge bar bills after games and those are just the snippets that I heard, there is almost certainly a lot more of which I have no knowledge.
Carter came in towards the end of 2024 at the request of the main owners as they, IMHO, wanted to get a much better handle on who did what and the value for money that the owners were getting from various staff.
Directly or indirectly as a result, IMHO, we've seen Methven, Scott and Commercial Manager Barry Higson all leave.
Warrick is far more front and centre and Murphy has just come in which I think is both a major upgrade on Methven and significant financial investment as I don't think he would come cheap or be willing to give up his holding in Vitesse Arnham if he thought Charlton were trying to do things "on the cheap".
Looking at the comparison table of Championship clubs, our commercial income is embarrassingly low. By far the smallest of all clubs, even less than Oxford.
It's clear the club is being poorly managed on that side, and suggests other things could be improved. Hopefully the Reebok deal is the start of an upward direction for income generally.
Part of the problem is the outsourcing of retail, until this year, and hospitality.
But our commercial income is poor compared to other clubs who sponsor the hell out of everythingm
Charlton couldn't even sell one of three Nathan Jones shirt sponsorships. They also buggered up the player of the year dinner through incompetence.
There is a lot of scope for improvement. Appointing a commercial manager would be a start.
As far as I understood, there was previously a division of labour where Methven was strictly commercial and “off-field growth”, Rodwell was “football operations”/training ground and Scott was recruitment and technical (players, basically).
If Dane Murphy is a credited with a lot of player deals, it will be interesting to see if they bother replacing Scott with a technical director… and what it means for Rodwell longer term. I guess Murphy will handle more of the transfer activity than Methven but less of the recruiting than Scott… basically letting Chapple and the manager focus on which players to get.
That was the public line but I’m not convinced Methven was actually doing the job or that Rodwell was fully focused on the football side. I suspect it was just a cover story to explain Methven being put in a position where he could be held to account. Mind you, they were at loggerheads, as Charlie was with Warrick, so who knows how that could ever have worked?
Do we know why they were at loggerheads?
What were the disagreements- was Rodwell arguing for greater player spend for example?
You appear to be desperate to discover that the club aren't spending enough money.
From the little I know it was that Charlie made a lot of promises about commercial income he didn't deliver on, leaked worse than a cracked sieve and run up huge bar bills after games and those are just the snippets that I heard, there is almost certainly a lot more of which I have no knowledge.
Carter came in towards the end of 2024 at the request of the main owners as they, IMHO, wanted to get a much better handle on who did what and the value for money that the owners were getting from various staff.
Directly or indirectly as a result, IMHO, we've seen Methven, Scott and Commercial Manager Barry Higson all leave.
Warrick is far more front and centre and Murphy has just come in which I think is both a major upgrade on Methven and significant financial investment as I don't think he would come cheap or be willing to give up his holding in Vitesse Arnham if he thought Charlton were trying to do things "on the cheap".
Looking at the comparison table of Championship clubs, our commercial income is embarrassingly low. By far the smallest of all clubs, even less than Oxford.
It's clear the club is being poorly managed on that side, and suggests other things could be improved. Hopefully the Reebok deal is the start of an upward direction for income generally.
Part of the problem is the outsourcing of retail, until this year, and hospitality.
But our commercial income is poor compared to other clubs who sponsor the hell out of everythingm
Charlton couldn't even sell one of three Nathan Jones shirt sponsorships. They also buggered up the player of the year dinner through incompetence.
There is a lot of scope for improvement. Appointing a commercial manager would be a start.
Presuming you mean last years POTY Dinner? There's been a clear and determined effort to produce an similar event that enables more fans to attend (hopefully coming in the summer) and one that less restrictive/out dated
As far as I understood, there was previously a division of labour where Methven was strictly commercial and “off-field growth”, Rodwell was “football operations”/training ground and Scott was recruitment and technical (players, basically).
If Dane Murphy is a credited with a lot of player deals, it will be interesting to see if they bother replacing Scott with a technical director… and what it means for Rodwell longer term. I guess Murphy will handle more of the transfer activity than Methven but less of the recruiting than Scott… basically letting Chapple and the manager focus on which players to get.
That was the public line but I’m not convinced Methven was actually doing the job or that Rodwell was fully focused on the football side. I suspect it was just a cover story to explain Methven being put in a position where he could be held to account. Mind you, they were at loggerheads, as Charlie was with Warrick, so who knows how that could ever have worked?
Do we know why they were at loggerheads?
What were the disagreements- was Rodwell arguing for greater player spend for example?
You appear to be desperate to discover that the club aren't spending enough money.
From the little I know it was that Charlie made a lot of promises about commercial income he didn't deliver on, leaked worse than a cracked sieve and run up huge bar bills after games and those are just the snippets that I heard, there is almost certainly a lot more of which I have no knowledge.
Carter came in towards the end of 2024 at the request of the main owners as they, IMHO, wanted to get a much better handle on who did what and the value for money that the owners were getting from various staff.
Directly or indirectly as a result, IMHO, we've seen Methven, Scott and Commercial Manager Barry Higson all leave.
Warrick is far more front and centre and Murphy has just come in which I think is both a major upgrade on Methven and significant financial investment as I don't think he would come cheap or be willing to give up his holding in Vitesse Arnham if he thought Charlton were trying to do things "on the cheap".
Looking at the comparison table of Championship clubs, our commercial income is embarrassingly low. By far the smallest of all clubs, even less than Oxford.
It's clear the club is being poorly managed on that side, and suggests other things could be improved. Hopefully the Reebok deal is the start of an upward direction for income generally.
Part of the problem is the outsourcing of retail, until this year, and hospitality.
But our commercial income is poor compared to other clubs who sponsor the hell out of everythingm
Charlton couldn't even sell one of three Nathan Jones shirt sponsorships. They also buggered up the player of the year dinner through incompetence.
There is a lot of scope for improvement. Appointing a commercial manager would be a start.
Presuming you mean last years POTY Dinner? There's been a clear and determined effort to produce an similar event that enables more fans to attend (hopefully coming in the summer) and one that less restrictive/out dated
I thought that it got cancelled due to the 1st Team to prepare for the end of the season, not due to that the format was wrong in some people's opinion?
As far as I understood, there was previously a division of labour where Methven was strictly commercial and “off-field growth”, Rodwell was “football operations”/training ground and Scott was recruitment and technical (players, basically).
If Dane Murphy is a credited with a lot of player deals, it will be interesting to see if they bother replacing Scott with a technical director… and what it means for Rodwell longer term. I guess Murphy will handle more of the transfer activity than Methven but less of the recruiting than Scott… basically letting Chapple and the manager focus on which players to get.
That was the public line but I’m not convinced Methven was actually doing the job or that Rodwell was fully focused on the football side. I suspect it was just a cover story to explain Methven being put in a position where he could be held to account. Mind you, they were at loggerheads, as Charlie was with Warrick, so who knows how that could ever have worked?
Do we know why they were at loggerheads?
What were the disagreements- was Rodwell arguing for greater player spend for example?
You appear to be desperate to discover that the club aren't spending enough money.
From the little I know it was that Charlie made a lot of promises about commercial income he didn't deliver on, leaked worse than a cracked sieve and run up huge bar bills after games and those are just the snippets that I heard, there is almost certainly a lot more of which I have no knowledge.
Carter came in towards the end of 2024 at the request of the main owners as they, IMHO, wanted to get a much better handle on who did what and the value for money that the owners were getting from various staff.
Directly or indirectly as a result, IMHO, we've seen Methven, Scott and Commercial Manager Barry Higson all leave.
Warrick is far more front and centre and Murphy has just come in which I think is both a major upgrade on Methven and significant financial investment as I don't think he would come cheap or be willing to give up his holding in Vitesse Arnham if he thought Charlton were trying to do things "on the cheap".
Looking at the comparison table of Championship clubs, our commercial income is embarrassingly low. By far the smallest of all clubs, even less than Oxford.
It's clear the club is being poorly managed on that side, and suggests other things could be improved. Hopefully the Reebok deal is the start of an upward direction for income generally.
Part of the problem is the outsourcing of retail, until this year, and hospitality.
But our commercial income is poor compared to other clubs who sponsor the hell out of everythingm
Charlton couldn't even sell one of three Nathan Jones shirt sponsorships. They also buggered up the player of the year dinner through incompetence.
There is a lot of scope for improvement. Appointing a commercial manager would be a start.
Presuming you mean last years POTY Dinner? There's been a clear and determined effort to produce an similar event that enables more fans to attend (hopefully coming in the summer) and one that less restrictive/out dated
I thought that it got cancelled due to the 1st Team to prepare for the end of the season, not due to that the format was wrong in some people's opinion?
Bit of both I think - certainly feels like an effort being made to bring these types of thing into the 21st century - especially as it meant that a large swathe of the Addicks Population couldn't/wouldn't attend POTY Dinners
As far as I understood, there was previously a division of labour where Methven was strictly commercial and “off-field growth”, Rodwell was “football operations”/training ground and Scott was recruitment and technical (players, basically).
If Dane Murphy is a credited with a lot of player deals, it will be interesting to see if they bother replacing Scott with a technical director… and what it means for Rodwell longer term. I guess Murphy will handle more of the transfer activity than Methven but less of the recruiting than Scott… basically letting Chapple and the manager focus on which players to get.
That was the public line but I’m not convinced Methven was actually doing the job or that Rodwell was fully focused on the football side. I suspect it was just a cover story to explain Methven being put in a position where he could be held to account. Mind you, they were at loggerheads, as Charlie was with Warrick, so who knows how that could ever have worked?
Do we know why they were at loggerheads?
What were the disagreements- was Rodwell arguing for greater player spend for example?
You appear to be desperate to discover that the club aren't spending enough money.
From the little I know it was that Charlie made a lot of promises about commercial income he didn't deliver on, leaked worse than a cracked sieve and run up huge bar bills after games and those are just the snippets that I heard, there is almost certainly a lot more of which I have no knowledge.
Carter came in towards the end of 2024 at the request of the main owners as they, IMHO, wanted to get a much better handle on who did what and the value for money that the owners were getting from various staff.
Directly or indirectly as a result, IMHO, we've seen Methven, Scott and Commercial Manager Barry Higson all leave.
Warrick is far more front and centre and Murphy has just come in which I think is both a major upgrade on Methven and significant financial investment as I don't think he would come cheap or be willing to give up his holding in Vitesse Arnham if he thought Charlton were trying to do things "on the cheap".
Looking at the comparison table of Championship clubs, our commercial income is embarrassingly low. By far the smallest of all clubs, even less than Oxford.
It's clear the club is being poorly managed on that side, and suggests other things could be improved. Hopefully the Reebok deal is the start of an upward direction for income generally.
Part of the problem is the outsourcing of retail, until this year, and hospitality.
But our commercial income is poor compared to other clubs who sponsor the hell out of everythingm
Charlton couldn't even sell one of three Nathan Jones shirt sponsorships. They also buggered up the player of the year dinner through incompetence.
There is a lot of scope for improvement. Appointing a commercial manager would be a start.
Presuming you mean last years POTY Dinner? There's been a clear and determined effort to produce an similar event that enables more fans to attend (hopefully coming in the summer) and one that less restrictive/out dated
I thought that it got cancelled due to the 1st Team to prepare for the end of the season, not due to that the format was wrong in some people's opinion?
Bit of both I think - certainly feels like an effort being made to bring these types of thing into the 21st century - especially as it meant that a large swathe of the Addicks Population couldn't/wouldn't attend POTY Dinners
You mean the dinners that sold out year on year when we were crap but didn't happen at all this year.
As far as I understood, there was previously a division of labour where Methven was strictly commercial and “off-field growth”, Rodwell was “football operations”/training ground and Scott was recruitment and technical (players, basically).
If Dane Murphy is a credited with a lot of player deals, it will be interesting to see if they bother replacing Scott with a technical director… and what it means for Rodwell longer term. I guess Murphy will handle more of the transfer activity than Methven but less of the recruiting than Scott… basically letting Chapple and the manager focus on which players to get.
That was the public line but I’m not convinced Methven was actually doing the job or that Rodwell was fully focused on the football side. I suspect it was just a cover story to explain Methven being put in a position where he could be held to account. Mind you, they were at loggerheads, as Charlie was with Warrick, so who knows how that could ever have worked?
Do we know why they were at loggerheads?
What were the disagreements- was Rodwell arguing for greater player spend for example?
You appear to be desperate to discover that the club aren't spending enough money.
From the little I know it was that Charlie made a lot of promises about commercial income he didn't deliver on, leaked worse than a cracked sieve and run up huge bar bills after games and those are just the snippets that I heard, there is almost certainly a lot more of which I have no knowledge.
Carter came in towards the end of 2024 at the request of the main owners as they, IMHO, wanted to get a much better handle on who did what and the value for money that the owners were getting from various staff.
Directly or indirectly as a result, IMHO, we've seen Methven, Scott and Commercial Manager Barry Higson all leave.
Warrick is far more front and centre and Murphy has just come in which I think is both a major upgrade on Methven and significant financial investment as I don't think he would come cheap or be willing to give up his holding in Vitesse Arnham if he thought Charlton were trying to do things "on the cheap".
Looking at the comparison table of Championship clubs, our commercial income is embarrassingly low. By far the smallest of all clubs, even less than Oxford.
It's clear the club is being poorly managed on that side, and suggests other things could be improved. Hopefully the Reebok deal is the start of an upward direction for income generally.
Part of the problem is the outsourcing of retail, until this year, and hospitality.
But our commercial income is poor compared to other clubs who sponsor the hell out of everythingm
Charlton couldn't even sell one of three Nathan Jones shirt sponsorships. They also buggered up the player of the year dinner through incompetence.
There is a lot of scope for improvement. Appointing a commercial manager would be a start.
Presuming you mean last years POTY Dinner? There's been a clear and determined effort to produce an similar event that enables more fans to attend (hopefully coming in the summer) and one that less restrictive/out dated
I thought that it got cancelled due to the 1st Team to prepare for the end of the season, not due to that the format was wrong in some people's opinion?
Bit of both I think - certainly feels like an effort being made to bring these types of thing into the 21st century - especially as it meant that a large swathe of the Addicks Population couldn't/wouldn't attend POTY Dinners
You mean the dinners that sold out year on year when we were crap but didn't happen at all this year.
Yeah, no dinner at all is really 21st century.
Something selling out doesn’t make it the best thing though. Surely it shows there’s extra demand that can’t be fulfilled so a different event with a higher capacity should be explored?
As far as I understood, there was previously a division of labour where Methven was strictly commercial and “off-field growth”, Rodwell was “football operations”/training ground and Scott was recruitment and technical (players, basically).
If Dane Murphy is a credited with a lot of player deals, it will be interesting to see if they bother replacing Scott with a technical director… and what it means for Rodwell longer term. I guess Murphy will handle more of the transfer activity than Methven but less of the recruiting than Scott… basically letting Chapple and the manager focus on which players to get.
That was the public line but I’m not convinced Methven was actually doing the job or that Rodwell was fully focused on the football side. I suspect it was just a cover story to explain Methven being put in a position where he could be held to account. Mind you, they were at loggerheads, as Charlie was with Warrick, so who knows how that could ever have worked?
Do we know why they were at loggerheads?
What were the disagreements- was Rodwell arguing for greater player spend for example?
You appear to be desperate to discover that the club aren't spending enough money.
From the little I know it was that Charlie made a lot of promises about commercial income he didn't deliver on, leaked worse than a cracked sieve and run up huge bar bills after games and those are just the snippets that I heard, there is almost certainly a lot more of which I have no knowledge.
Carter came in towards the end of 2024 at the request of the main owners as they, IMHO, wanted to get a much better handle on who did what and the value for money that the owners were getting from various staff.
Directly or indirectly as a result, IMHO, we've seen Methven, Scott and Commercial Manager Barry Higson all leave.
Warrick is far more front and centre and Murphy has just come in which I think is both a major upgrade on Methven and significant financial investment as I don't think he would come cheap or be willing to give up his holding in Vitesse Arnham if he thought Charlton were trying to do things "on the cheap".
Looking at the comparison table of Championship clubs, our commercial income is embarrassingly low. By far the smallest of all clubs, even less than Oxford.
It's clear the club is being poorly managed on that side, and suggests other things could be improved. Hopefully the Reebok deal is the start of an upward direction for income generally.
Part of the problem is the outsourcing of retail, until this year, and hospitality.
But our commercial income is poor compared to other clubs who sponsor the hell out of everythingm
Charlton couldn't even sell one of three Nathan Jones shirt sponsorships. They also buggered up the player of the year dinner through incompetence.
There is a lot of scope for improvement. Appointing a commercial manager would be a start.
Presuming you mean last years POTY Dinner? There's been a clear and determined effort to produce an similar event that enables more fans to attend (hopefully coming in the summer) and one that less restrictive/out dated
I thought that it got cancelled due to the 1st Team to prepare for the end of the season, not due to that the format was wrong in some people's opinion?
Bit of both I think - certainly feels like an effort being made to bring these types of thing into the 21st century - especially as it meant that a large swathe of the Addicks Population couldn't/wouldn't attend POTY Dinners
You mean the dinners that sold out year on year when we were crap but didn't happen at all this year.
Yeah, no dinner at all is really 21st century.
Something selling out doesn’t make it the best thing though. Surely it shows there’s extra demand that can’t be fulfilled so a different event with a higher capacity should be explored?
As far as I understood, there was previously a division of labour where Methven was strictly commercial and “off-field growth”, Rodwell was “football operations”/training ground and Scott was recruitment and technical (players, basically).
If Dane Murphy is a credited with a lot of player deals, it will be interesting to see if they bother replacing Scott with a technical director… and what it means for Rodwell longer term. I guess Murphy will handle more of the transfer activity than Methven but less of the recruiting than Scott… basically letting Chapple and the manager focus on which players to get.
That was the public line but I’m not convinced Methven was actually doing the job or that Rodwell was fully focused on the football side. I suspect it was just a cover story to explain Methven being put in a position where he could be held to account. Mind you, they were at loggerheads, as Charlie was with Warrick, so who knows how that could ever have worked?
Do we know why they were at loggerheads?
What were the disagreements- was Rodwell arguing for greater player spend for example?
You appear to be desperate to discover that the club aren't spending enough money.
From the little I know it was that Charlie made a lot of promises about commercial income he didn't deliver on, leaked worse than a cracked sieve and run up huge bar bills after games and those are just the snippets that I heard, there is almost certainly a lot more of which I have no knowledge.
Carter came in towards the end of 2024 at the request of the main owners as they, IMHO, wanted to get a much better handle on who did what and the value for money that the owners were getting from various staff.
Directly or indirectly as a result, IMHO, we've seen Methven, Scott and Commercial Manager Barry Higson all leave.
Warrick is far more front and centre and Murphy has just come in which I think is both a major upgrade on Methven and significant financial investment as I don't think he would come cheap or be willing to give up his holding in Vitesse Arnham if he thought Charlton were trying to do things "on the cheap".
Looking at the comparison table of Championship clubs, our commercial income is embarrassingly low. By far the smallest of all clubs, even less than Oxford.
It's clear the club is being poorly managed on that side, and suggests other things could be improved. Hopefully the Reebok deal is the start of an upward direction for income generally.
Part of the problem is the outsourcing of retail, until this year, and hospitality.
But our commercial income is poor compared to other clubs who sponsor the hell out of everythingm
Charlton couldn't even sell one of three Nathan Jones shirt sponsorships. They also buggered up the player of the year dinner through incompetence.
There is a lot of scope for improvement. Appointing a commercial manager would be a start.
Presuming you mean last years POTY Dinner? There's been a clear and determined effort to produce an similar event that enables more fans to attend (hopefully coming in the summer) and one that less restrictive/out dated
I thought that it got cancelled due to the 1st Team to prepare for the end of the season, not due to that the format was wrong in some people's opinion?
Bit of both I think - certainly feels like an effort being made to bring these types of thing into the 21st century - especially as it meant that a large swathe of the Addicks Population couldn't/wouldn't attend POTY Dinners
You mean the dinners that sold out year on year when we were crap but didn't happen at all this year.
Yeah, no dinner at all is really 21st century.
Something selling out doesn’t make it the best thing though. Surely it shows there’s extra demand that can’t be fulfilled so a different event with a higher capacity should be explored?
Yes, but it didn't expand, it just never happened because Higson and Methven had grand ideas they couldn't implement, not an untypical occurance from what I heard.
So the potential commercial income was lost and the event was lost.
As for "outdated" Higson wanted a comedian. Very cutting edge!
As for "hopefully this summer" it's June. Nothing has been announced and I very much doubt any venue has even been booked
As far as I understood, there was previously a division of labour where Methven was strictly commercial and “off-field growth”, Rodwell was “football operations”/training ground and Scott was recruitment and technical (players, basically).
If Dane Murphy is a credited with a lot of player deals, it will be interesting to see if they bother replacing Scott with a technical director… and what it means for Rodwell longer term. I guess Murphy will handle more of the transfer activity than Methven but less of the recruiting than Scott… basically letting Chapple and the manager focus on which players to get.
That was the public line but I’m not convinced Methven was actually doing the job or that Rodwell was fully focused on the football side. I suspect it was just a cover story to explain Methven being put in a position where he could be held to account. Mind you, they were at loggerheads, as Charlie was with Warrick, so who knows how that could ever have worked?
Do we know why they were at loggerheads?
What were the disagreements- was Rodwell arguing for greater player spend for example?
You appear to be desperate to discover that the club aren't spending enough money.
From the little I know it was that Charlie made a lot of promises about commercial income he didn't deliver on, leaked worse than a cracked sieve and run up huge bar bills after games and those are just the snippets that I heard, there is almost certainly a lot more of which I have no knowledge.
Carter came in towards the end of 2024 at the request of the main owners as they, IMHO, wanted to get a much better handle on who did what and the value for money that the owners were getting from various staff.
Directly or indirectly as a result, IMHO, we've seen Methven, Scott and Commercial Manager Barry Higson all leave.
Warrick is far more front and centre and Murphy has just come in which I think is both a major upgrade on Methven and significant financial investment as I don't think he would come cheap or be willing to give up his holding in Vitesse Arnham if he thought Charlton were trying to do things "on the cheap".
Looking at the comparison table of Championship clubs, our commercial income is embarrassingly low. By far the smallest of all clubs, even less than Oxford.
It's clear the club is being poorly managed on that side, and suggests other things could be improved. Hopefully the Reebok deal is the start of an upward direction for income generally.
Part of the problem is the outsourcing of retail, until this year, and hospitality.
But our commercial income is poor compared to other clubs who sponsor the hell out of everythingm
Charlton couldn't even sell one of three Nathan Jones shirt sponsorships. They also buggered up the player of the year dinner through incompetence.
There is a lot of scope for improvement. Appointing a commercial manager would be a start.
Presuming you mean last years POTY Dinner? There's been a clear and determined effort to produce an similar event that enables more fans to attend (hopefully coming in the summer) and one that less restrictive/out dated
I thought that it got cancelled due to the 1st Team to prepare for the end of the season, not due to that the format was wrong in some people's opinion?
Bit of both I think - certainly feels like an effort being made to bring these types of thing into the 21st century - especially as it meant that a large swathe of the Addicks Population couldn't/wouldn't attend POTY Dinners
You mean the dinners that sold out year on year when we were crap but didn't happen at all this year.
Yeah, no dinner at all is really 21st century.
Something selling out doesn’t make it the best thing though. Surely it shows there’s extra demand that can’t be fulfilled so a different event with a higher capacity should be explored?
Do not expand this quote, it will blow your mind... 😵💫
As far as I understood, there was previously a division of labour where Methven was strictly commercial and “off-field growth”, Rodwell was “football operations”/training ground and Scott was recruitment and technical (players, basically).
If Dane Murphy is a credited with a lot of player deals, it will be interesting to see if they bother replacing Scott with a technical director… and what it means for Rodwell longer term. I guess Murphy will handle more of the transfer activity than Methven but less of the recruiting than Scott… basically letting Chapple and the manager focus on which players to get.
That was the public line but I’m not convinced Methven was actually doing the job or that Rodwell was fully focused on the football side. I suspect it was just a cover story to explain Methven being put in a position where he could be held to account. Mind you, they were at loggerheads, as Charlie was with Warrick, so who knows how that could ever have worked?
Do we know why they were at loggerheads?
What were the disagreements- was Rodwell arguing for greater player spend for example?
You appear to be desperate to discover that the club aren't spending enough money.
From the little I know it was that Charlie made a lot of promises about commercial income he didn't deliver on, leaked worse than a cracked sieve and run up huge bar bills after games and those are just the snippets that I heard, there is almost certainly a lot more of which I have no knowledge.
Carter came in towards the end of 2024 at the request of the main owners as they, IMHO, wanted to get a much better handle on who did what and the value for money that the owners were getting from various staff.
Directly or indirectly as a result, IMHO, we've seen Methven, Scott and Commercial Manager Barry Higson all leave.
Warrick is far more front and centre and Murphy has just come in which I think is both a major upgrade on Methven and significant financial investment as I don't think he would come cheap or be willing to give up his holding in Vitesse Arnham if he thought Charlton were trying to do things "on the cheap".
Looking at the comparison table of Championship clubs, our commercial income is embarrassingly low. By far the smallest of all clubs, even less than Oxford.
It's clear the club is being poorly managed on that side, and suggests other things could be improved. Hopefully the Reebok deal is the start of an upward direction for income generally.
Part of the problem is the outsourcing of retail, until this year, and hospitality.
But our commercial income is poor compared to other clubs who sponsor the hell out of everythingm
Charlton couldn't even sell one of three Nathan Jones shirt sponsorships. They also buggered up the player of the year dinner through incompetence.
There is a lot of scope for improvement. Appointing a commercial manager would be a start.
Presuming you mean last years POTY Dinner? There's been a clear and determined effort to produce an similar event that enables more fans to attend (hopefully coming in the summer) and one that less restrictive/out dated
I thought that it got cancelled due to the 1st Team to prepare for the end of the season, not due to that the format was wrong in some people's opinion?
Bit of both I think - certainly feels like an effort being made to bring these types of thing into the 21st century - especially as it meant that a large swathe of the Addicks Population couldn't/wouldn't attend POTY Dinners
You mean the dinners that sold out year on year when we were crap but didn't happen at all this year.
Yeah, no dinner at all is really 21st century.
Something selling out doesn’t make it the best thing though. Surely it shows there’s extra demand that can’t be fulfilled so a different event with a higher capacity should be explored?
A venue away from The Valley?
No but a different format might increase capacity at The Valley, a change from a sit down event would surely increase capacity? I’m not saying it is a necessity but it would be silly not to look to expand something popular that could bring in some more revenue
As far as I understood, there was previously a division of labour where Methven was strictly commercial and “off-field growth”, Rodwell was “football operations”/training ground and Scott was recruitment and technical (players, basically).
If Dane Murphy is a credited with a lot of player deals, it will be interesting to see if they bother replacing Scott with a technical director… and what it means for Rodwell longer term. I guess Murphy will handle more of the transfer activity than Methven but less of the recruiting than Scott… basically letting Chapple and the manager focus on which players to get.
That was the public line but I’m not convinced Methven was actually doing the job or that Rodwell was fully focused on the football side. I suspect it was just a cover story to explain Methven being put in a position where he could be held to account. Mind you, they were at loggerheads, as Charlie was with Warrick, so who knows how that could ever have worked?
Do we know why they were at loggerheads?
What were the disagreements- was Rodwell arguing for greater player spend for example?
You appear to be desperate to discover that the club aren't spending enough money.
From the little I know it was that Charlie made a lot of promises about commercial income he didn't deliver on, leaked worse than a cracked sieve and run up huge bar bills after games and those are just the snippets that I heard, there is almost certainly a lot more of which I have no knowledge.
Carter came in towards the end of 2024 at the request of the main owners as they, IMHO, wanted to get a much better handle on who did what and the value for money that the owners were getting from various staff.
Directly or indirectly as a result, IMHO, we've seen Methven, Scott and Commercial Manager Barry Higson all leave.
Warrick is far more front and centre and Murphy has just come in which I think is both a major upgrade on Methven and significant financial investment as I don't think he would come cheap or be willing to give up his holding in Vitesse Arnham if he thought Charlton were trying to do things "on the cheap".
Looking at the comparison table of Championship clubs, our commercial income is embarrassingly low. By far the smallest of all clubs, even less than Oxford.
It's clear the club is being poorly managed on that side, and suggests other things could be improved. Hopefully the Reebok deal is the start of an upward direction for income generally.
Part of the problem is the outsourcing of retail, until this year, and hospitality.
But our commercial income is poor compared to other clubs who sponsor the hell out of everythingm
Charlton couldn't even sell one of three Nathan Jones shirt sponsorships. They also buggered up the player of the year dinner through incompetence.
There is a lot of scope for improvement. Appointing a commercial manager would be a start.
Presuming you mean last years POTY Dinner? There's been a clear and determined effort to produce an similar event that enables more fans to attend (hopefully coming in the summer) and one that less restrictive/out dated
I thought that it got cancelled due to the 1st Team to prepare for the end of the season, not due to that the format was wrong in some people's opinion?
Bit of both I think - certainly feels like an effort being made to bring these types of thing into the 21st century - especially as it meant that a large swathe of the Addicks Population couldn't/wouldn't attend POTY Dinners
You mean the dinners that sold out year on year when we were crap but didn't happen at all this year.
Yeah, no dinner at all is really 21st century.
Something selling out doesn’t make it the best thing though. Surely it shows there’s extra demand that can’t be fulfilled so a different event with a higher capacity should be explored?
Yes, but it didn't expand, it just never happened because Higson and Methven had grand ideas they couldn't implement, not an untypical occurance from what I heard.
So the potential commercial income was lost and the event was lost.
As for "outdated" Higson wanted a comedian. Very cutting edge!
As for "hopefully this summer" it's June. Nothing has been announced and I very much doubt any venue has even been booked
Potential bad execution doesn’t make an idea bad. I’m not saying Higson or CM had good ideas because I don’t know what they were. I’m just saying why wouldn’t you at least look at improving something? Sure it was badly handled this year and it sounds like maybe they threw NJ under the bus a bit but maybe the 25/26 end of season event will be better than the 24/25 one, we don’t know
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I was just expressing another option other than buying The Valley or being homeless. Where did I indicate it would be easy?
Back of shorts sponsorship is minimal and less that the 100ks a whole new system would cost.
@Swisdom
@Swisdom might know more
It's the second best of the three options, but in the short to medium term probably the most realistic, and security of tenure for more than what's left on the current lease is critical. The end game though has to be to unite The Valley with the club in some way or another that is financially doable.
I believe you may have unwittingly come up with the solution Doucher...🙄
Was you wearing a Fez when you posted this?
id assume there’s a payment plan involved rather than paying it all up front.
It's clear the club is being poorly managed on that side, and suggests other things could be improved. Hopefully the Reebok deal is the start of an upward direction for income generally.
But our commercial income is poor compared to other clubs who sponsor the hell out of everythingm
Charlton couldn't even sell one of three Nathan Jones shirt sponsorships. They also buggered up the player of the year dinner through incompetence.
There is a lot of scope for improvement. Appointing a commercial manager would be a start.
There's been a clear and determined effort to produce an similar event that enables more fans to attend (hopefully coming in the summer) and one that less restrictive/out dated
Yeah, no dinner at all is really 21st century.
So the potential commercial income was lost and the event was lost.
As for "outdated" Higson wanted a comedian. Very cutting edge!
As for "hopefully this summer" it's June. Nothing has been announced and I very much doubt any venue has even been booked