Orient have every incentive to create a bidding war, and get a bigger fee. Galbraith's agent has every incentive too, as if he can get a richer club interested, then more wages for his client means more money for him too.
If his contract runs out next summer and he doesn’t get sold this window both club and agent will have to consider that he either gets sold in January for a much lower fee or he walks for free come summer 2026.
its all well and good holding out for a higher bid if we have offered £1.3m and Orient rejected it but that could backfire if Charlton or no other club offers more. After all, it’s not just the fee that has to be taken into consideration, it’s the contract cost as well.
His Agent will know though, that if Galbraith chooses to leave on a free next summer, Ethan can technically ask for a higher signing on fee when negotiating as they'll know clubs wanting to sign him, wont have to pay a transfer fee... So there is the potential for more money to end up in Agent / Players pocket.
It’s a ‘bird in the hand’ game though. A lot could happen between now and summer 2026, injury and a shit season for the player being the key events that would screw up that plan. If they are actually talking about moving on now then that’s what will happen.
Keillor-Dunn is a good player, but is he really worth 4-5m?
Aged 27 now, so not a kid, and has spent the last 5 seasons in L1 and L2, 3 1/2 of those in L2.
I'd say he's worth between 3-5 million easily.
Of course value is always dependent on how much the buyer needs it, and how much the seller needs the money/if they want to sell.
You have a player who made team of the season, player of the year and nominated for player of the season. Had a great goal return and just in general a very consistent player.
We need goals going up a league, and we need more creativity in the middle and up top. He ticks both of those boxes. He's in his prime years and this is the chance to buy him when he is playing his best. All of those accolades justify the transfer fee. He would be worth more to us than a lot of other clubs as we don't have anything like it.
If you look at Conor Coventry for example, I would be furious if we sold him for for any less than 3-5 million, and he isn't as impactful as Keillor-Dunn, that's how you can weigh these things by looking at your own squad. If he was ours and under contract, how much would you value him.
The real trick was buying him from Mansfield when it was looking likely he was ready to make the step up. Out of reach now for us and I imagine a lot of others who would want him.
I don’t think anyone would offer anything like £2m for Coventry, let alone £5m.
For me Keillor-Dunn, looks like another Scott Fraser to me, pretty decent record at smaller, lower ranked clubs but can he make the step up? I am not so sure. So the jury is out for me.
For me Keillor-Dunn, looks like another Scott Fraser to me, pretty decent record at smaller, lower ranked clubs but can he make the step up? I am not so sure. So the jury is out for me.
For me Keillor-Dunn, looks like another Scott Fraser to me, pretty decent record at smaller, lower ranked clubs but can he make the step up? I am not so sure. So the jury is out for me.
Agreed and we surely cannot afford to bolster what we have with lots of league one players who may step up to Championship. Will need to be a blend and if we are going to have to shell out for players like this I would rather see the investments in Champ experienced players like last season with Godden, Doc and Berry’s arrivals.
Players are worth whatever anyone is willing to pay for them. If you can afford and you're willing to spend £20m on a L2 player and it not affect your budget at all then that player is worth £20m. Values are defined by how damaging it is to lose the player, how much more someone might be willing to pay in the future, how much of a chunk it takes out of the buying team's budget in terms of what else they need to do, and how much money the team in question can afford to turn down. The amount we offered Cheltenham for Alfie May was more than they could afford to reject. Barnsley have wealthy owners who don't fancy spending much - so any incomings will be funded by outgoings - but are rich enough that missing out on the money won't stop the club staying afloat so they can set whatever price for DKD. They can play hardball in a way Cheltenham couldn't which is why the 'values' are vastly different. There's no point arguing about what players are worth because every amount has a huge amount of context to it and as long as we don't know the budgets, which we don't, we can't assess if we've overspent or not.
Are there any players we could offer in part exchange? Alex Mitchell might be attractive to the O's and maybe loan one of our youngsters.
Ahadme?
Think that would basically end our chances of ever negotiating with Leyton Orient again
I mean they got to the Play-Off Final with Sean Clare in their side, they must be able to work their hoodoo magic on Gassan
Miracles take a little longer FA !
Sean Clare is a much derided journeyman ex player who had a good season for Orient once he became a regular with 29 apps; also 33 appearances for Wigan in 23/24. Clare wasn't good enough for CAFC and our ambitions which came to fruition at Wembley but he was just one match away !
Sean is a good athlete and I remember a run from the halfway line with the ball at the valley where he put his shot just wide down the covered end. Also his lack of concentration and his erratic defending which meant we needed better.
Ahadme may just need the right team to play for similar to Stockley at Port Vale 🤔 TBF to Jayden he did score 20 goals in various Comps one season in League 1 for cafc but it may take a miracle for Gassan to replicate that...
It’s really positive that we’re being genuinely linked with Galbraith but I hope we don’t all end up really disappointed. We know Swansea are reportedly interested and apparently so are Sheffield Utd. I doubt the competition stops there. If we do get this one over the line I’ll be very impressed but perhaps it’s the Charlton supporter in me that makes me think we won’t manage it.
For me Keillor-Dunn, looks like another Scott Fraser to me, pretty decent record at smaller, lower ranked clubs but can he make the step up? I am not so sure. So the jury is out for me.
Fans said that when he went from Mansfield to Barnsley and he absolutely smashed it
Do fear we’re going to find it a lot harder to get quality from the EFL over the line than many thought
yes .. a lot of lower league clubs now seem to have loadsa money to go after the talent that's available .. I hate to say this, BUT the fact that we just scrambled into the Championship might not make us an attractive proposition, unless like (say) e.g. M K Dons/Brum/Wexham we can offer big salaries .. I'll say it again, we surely need a big investment in players this close season .. as ever, we will see
We did not 'scramble' up, we are on a run where we lost only 4 games in 5 months ( same as Wrexham) and came within a game or two of automatic promotion.
It is not that it was a close shave. Not many teams get promoted by a large margin. It is that we got promoted by playing kick and rush, and hustling, pressing opponents into mistakes. That will not work in the Championship. Strengthening our team is one task, but we have to change the way we play as well. Is Nathan Jones up to it?
Why not? Plenty of teams have done well in the championship playing this way, including Luton managed by Jones, who were probably even more direct and physical than we are. Millwall do it every year. If you have a lower budget you are much more likely to do well playing this way than trying to play the way everyone else does when they have much better players to do so
Asking whether Jones is up to changing the way we play too? Did you watch this season? If it’s not working he has shown he is good enough to find a way that does work
Do fear we’re going to find it a lot harder to get quality from the EFL over the line than many thought
yes .. a lot of lower league clubs now seem to have loadsa money to go after the talent that's available .. I hate to say this, BUT the fact that we just scrambled into the Championship might not make us an attractive proposition, unless like (say) e.g. M K Dons/Brum/Wexham we can offer big salaries .. I'll say it again, we surely need a big investment in players this close season .. as ever, we will see
We did not 'scramble' up, we are on a run where we lost only 4 games in 5 months ( same as Wrexham) and came within a game or two of automatic promotion.
It is not that it was a close shave. Not many teams get promoted by a large margin. It is that we got promoted by playing kick and rush, and hustling, pressing opponents into mistakes. That will not work in the Championship. Strengthening our team is one task, but we have to change the way we play as well. Is Nathan Jones up to it?
His Luton teams played much more expansive football. I think he played to the strengths of the group we had last season.and doing the basics well. I think he is more than up to it and so do the board. The job he did last year was outstanding.
I don’t think his Luton championship team did really. They were very physical and direct. The Luton team he had in league 2 and league 1 played brilliant football though. Which again shows he is a good enough manager to adapt to the group, he has his core principles out of possession but in possession adapts to his players
For me Keillor-Dunn, looks like another Scott Fraser to me, pretty decent record at smaller, lower ranked clubs but can he make the step up? I am not so sure. So the jury is out for me.
Agreed and we surely cannot afford to bolster what we have with lots of league one players who may step up to Championship. Will need to be a blend and if we are going to have to shell out for players like this I would rather see the investments in Champ experienced players like last season with Godden, Doc and Berry’s arrivals.
That's a good point, in that NJs transfer strategy last year was to sign players with experience playing higher.
So it would be odd that now we are in the Championship, if we only sign the best of league one with potential to grow.
I have a feeling Jones will want a LARGE POWERHOUSE STRIKER like CHUKS to bring on as an impact player with 15 mins to go - obviously Aneke was past his best and plagued with tight calves and not good enough at championships level (see his Birmingham career) he must have someone lined up…wonder who ?
For me Keillor-Dunn, looks like another Scott Fraser to me, pretty decent record at smaller, lower ranked clubs but can he make the step up? I am not so sure. So the jury is out for me.
Agreed and we surely cannot afford to bolster what we have with lots of league one players who may step up to Championship. Will need to be a blend and if we are going to have to shell out for players like this I would rather see the investments in Champ experienced players like last season with Godden, Doc and Berry’s arrivals.
That's a good point, in that NJs transfer strategy last year was to sign players with experience playing higher.
So it would be odd that now we are in the Championship, if we only sign the best of league one with potential to grow.
I expect it will be a mix of both.
Isn't part of the point of signing Doc, Berry and Godden last year that your squad has the Championship experience so it's less crucial to pick it up this summer. I'm not saying we don't need more Championship proven players but we have 6 players (Godden, Doc, Berry, Carey, Gillesphey, Coventry) who have already played in the Championship. We're not building from a base of no experience at all
I have a feeling Jones will want a LARGE POWERHOUSE STRIKER like CHUKS to bring on as an impact player with 15 mins to go - obviously Aneke was past his best and plagued with tight calves and not good enough at championships level (see his Birmingham career) he must have someone lined up…wonder who ?
problem is that every club in England is looking for a large powerhouse striker who regularly scores, and they are as rare as pink horses .. we potentially have one in Leaburn Jnr, WHEN he's fully fit and IF he can successfully make the step up to Championship football. I think he can, the next problem is, will he get the service ? I am not being over pessimistic about our chances this coming season, more i m o, realistic. We need creativity in midfield and attack, and we need it NOW (or a s a p) AND that won't come cheaply
For me Keillor-Dunn, looks like another Scott Fraser to me, pretty decent record at smaller, lower ranked clubs but can he make the step up? I am not so sure. So the jury is out for me.
Agreed and we surely cannot afford to bolster what we have with lots of league one players who may step up to Championship. Will need to be a blend and if we are going to have to shell out for players like this I would rather see the investments in Champ experienced players like last season with Godden, Doc and Berry’s arrivals.
That's a good point, in that NJs transfer strategy last year was to sign players with experience playing higher.
So it would be odd that now we are in the Championship, if we only sign the best of league one with potential to grow.
I expect it will be a mix of both.
I have a theory that positions where we lack championship experience, for example at left back , we will try and get it. This is nothing against Edwards. I think he can step up. But having someone on your shoulder who's played at the level will only push him more. Goalkeeper another example. Where we have good experience already I can see younger, less experienced coming in. A centre forward for example. We've already done this with the signing of Carey for Berry's current role. Obviously there's some decisions to be made on as to whether the younger players we've got can actually step up and can the experienced rediscover their previous form?
I have a feeling Jones will want a LARGE POWERHOUSE STRIKER like CHUKS to bring on as an impact player with 15 mins to go - obviously Aneke was past his best and plagued with tight calves and not good enough at championships level (see his Birmingham career) he must have someone lined up…wonder who ?
I have a feeling Jones will want a LARGE POWERHOUSE STRIKER like CHUKS to bring on as an impact player with 15 mins to go - obviously Aneke was past his best and plagued with tight calves and not good enough at championships level (see his Birmingham career) he must have someone lined up…wonder who ?
weve got one, Miles.
I think Chuks can play more minutes than leavurn at this point
I have a feeling Jones will want a LARGE POWERHOUSE STRIKER like CHUKS to bring on as an impact player with 15 mins to go - obviously Aneke was past his best and plagued with tight calves and not good enough at championships level (see his Birmingham career) he must have someone lined up…wonder who ?
problem is that every club in England is looking for a large powerhouse striker who regularly scores, and they are as rare as pink horses .. we potentially have one in Leaburn Jnr, WHEN he's fully fit and IF he can successfully make the step up to Championship football. I think he can, the next problem is, will he get the service ? I am not being over pessimistic about our chances this coming season, more i m o, realistic. We need creativity in midfield and attack, and we need it NOW (or a s a p) AND that won't come cheaply
Yes agree it’s a difficult ask…and a fit Leaburn would be great. Yes and we do need some goal scoring midfielders, as strikers in this league don’t score as many goals as you think - leading goal scorer last season was Piroe of Leeds he scored 19 goals in 49 games !!
Let’s hope Chapple can unearth some hidden gems 💎 💎💎💎💎
We tended to get excited about the drawn out signing of Ben Reeves, but he turned out to be a player that hardly improved us. When a player arrives with whatever CV we can’t be sure about it, the proof of the pudding and all that.
I have a feeling Jones will want a LARGE POWERHOUSE STRIKER like CHUKS to bring on as an impact player with 15 mins to go - obviously Aneke was past his best and plagued with tight calves and not good enough at championships level (see his Birmingham career) he must have someone lined up…wonder who ?
problem is that every club in England is looking for a large powerhouse striker who regularly scores, and they are as rare as pink horses .. we potentially have one in Leaburn Jnr, WHEN he's fully fit and IF he can successfully make the step up to Championship football. I think he can, the next problem is, will he get the service ? I am not being over pessimistic about our chances this coming season, more i m o, realistic. We need creativity in midfield and attack, and we need it NOW (or a s a p) AND that won't come cheaply
Yes agree it’s a difficult ask…and a fit Leaburn would be great. Yes and we do need some goal scoring midfielders, as strikers in this league don’t score as many goals as you think - leading goal scorer last season was Piroe of Leeds he scored 19 goals in 49 games !!
Let’s hope Chapple can unearth some hidden gems 💎 💎💎💎💎
good point about lack of Champ strikers goals, if lack is the right word. The answer ? .. VERY good and well organised defences they have to confront, hence the necessity to outwit and bypass them .. easy lol
For me Keillor-Dunn, looks like another Scott Fraser to me, pretty decent record at smaller, lower ranked clubs but can he make the step up? I am not so sure. So the jury is out for me.
Agreed and we surely cannot afford to bolster what we have with lots of league one players who may step up to Championship. Will need to be a blend and if we are going to have to shell out for players like this I would rather see the investments in Champ experienced players like last season with Godden, Doc and Berry’s arrivals.
That's a good point, in that NJs transfer strategy last year was to sign players with experience playing higher.
So it would be odd that now we are in the Championship, if we only sign the best of league one with potential to grow.
I expect it will be a mix of both.
It was a mix of both last season with Ramsey coming from Harrogate and Edwards coming from Dunfermline lower down, with Godden, Berry and Docherty coming from Championship sides Coventry, Luton and Hull respectively.
Phil Chapple and NJ will find it difficult but we need them to convince some player that Cafc is a club on the rise with wages that are commensurate with the Championship; so not easy with the competition in the 2nd tier in 25/26.
Keillor-Dunn is a good player, but is he really worth 4-5m?
Aged 27 now, so not a kid, and has spent the last 5 seasons in L1 and L2, 3 1/2 of those in L2.
I'd say he's worth between 3-5 million easily.
Of course value is always dependent on how much the buyer needs it, and how much the seller needs the money/if they want to sell.
You have a player who made team of the season, player of the year and nominated for player of the season. Had a great goal return and just in general a very consistent player.
We need goals going up a league, and we need more creativity in the middle and up top. He ticks both of those boxes. He's in his prime years and this is the chance to buy him when he is playing his best. All of those accolades justify the transfer fee. He would be worth more to us than a lot of other clubs as we don't have anything like it.
If you look at Conor Coventry for example, I would be furious if we sold him for for any less than 3-5 million, and he isn't as impactful as Keillor-Dunn, that's how you can weigh these things by looking at your own squad. If he was ours and under contract, how much would you value him.
The real trick was buying him from Mansfield when it was looking likely he was ready to make the step up. Out of reach now for us and I imagine a lot of others who would want him.
I don’t think anyone would offer anything like £2m for Coventry, let alone £5m.
I think you're missing the point a little bit here without sounding smug. No player is actually worth that much money in the world if we break it down to what footballers actually are, but that's a whole different topic on value.
My point was as a fan, you can have a decent idea of how much a player is worth by using your own team. If Coventry went for a small fee like mentioned above, how many people would be happy with that, did we get a bad deal, can we replace him adequately etc. I'm not saying someone would be willing to pay that much for him, I am saying that if he went for that fee, I would think it wasn't worth it, and I imagine the people pulling the strings would place a certain value on him.
As things stand a player like Keillor-Dunn, being one of the best players in the league below, probably even the best now, is worth whatever Barnsley want him to be as he is under contract and a valuable asset. To one club he may be worth 2 million, to another 10 million. It's all about circumstances.
Someone on here said a few weeks ago that we had already signed 4 players - when are they to be announced ???
While i'm on here, its a definite no to Cornick, Plange and Dijksteel
I think the actual words were 4 agreed which is not the same thing. Carey may well have been one of those, then others maybe changed or are being renegotiated due to our new league status.
Someone on here said a few weeks ago that we had already signed 4 players - when are they to be announced ???
While i'm on here, its a definite no to Cornick, Plange and Dijksteel
I think the actual words were 4 agreed which is not the same thing. Carey may well have been one of those, then others maybe changed or are being renegotiated due to our new league status.
Or maybe it was never true at all.
All sorts of reasons even deals that have been agreed haven’t gone through yet:
Clubs are waiting to sign the replacement to balance the good news/bad news.
players still on holiday
players still in contract till end of the month.
There’s no difference really between them signing today or the day before pre season starts.
There not much business being done anywhere .. agents , players , Managers and staff on holiday makes it very difficult to get a deal done don’t mean to say that deals are not being agreed and ready to go once these holidays are over ????
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Miracles take a little longer FA !
Sean Clare is a much derided journeyman ex player who had a good season for Orient once he became a regular with 29 apps; also 33 appearances for Wigan in 23/24.
Clare wasn't good enough for CAFC and our ambitions which came to fruition at Wembley but he was just one match away !
Sean is a good athlete and I remember a run from the halfway line with the ball at the valley where he put his shot just wide down the covered end. Also his lack of concentration and his erratic defending which meant we needed better.
Ahadme may just need the right team to play for similar to Stockley at Port Vale 🤔 TBF to Jayden he did score 20 goals in various Comps one season in League 1 for cafc but it may take a miracle for Gassan to replicate that...
So it would be odd that now we are in the Championship, if we only sign the best of league one with potential to grow.
I expect it will be a mix of both.
I am not being over pessimistic about our chances this coming season, more i m o, realistic. We need creativity in midfield and attack, and we need it NOW (or a s a p) AND that won't come cheaply
Where we have good experience already I can see younger, less experienced coming in. A centre forward for example. We've already done this with the signing of Carey for Berry's current role.
Obviously there's some decisions to be made on as to whether the younger players we've got can actually step up and can the experienced rediscover their previous form?
When a player arrives with whatever CV we can’t be sure about it, the proof of the pudding and all that.
more and more WhatsApp updates of players sitting on the ground stairs in the new kit 🥱
It was a mix of both last season with Ramsey coming from Harrogate and Edwards coming from Dunfermline lower down, with Godden, Berry and Docherty coming from Championship sides Coventry, Luton and Hull respectively.
Phil Chapple and NJ will find it difficult but we need them to convince some player that Cafc is a club on the rise with wages that are commensurate with the Championship; so not easy with the competition in the 2nd tier in 25/26.
My point was as a fan, you can have a decent idea of how much a player is worth by using your own team. If Coventry went for a small fee like mentioned above, how many people would be happy with that, did we get a bad deal, can we replace him adequately etc. I'm not saying someone would be willing to pay that much for him, I am saying that if he went for that fee, I would think it wasn't worth it, and I imagine the people pulling the strings would place a certain value on him.
As things stand a player like Keillor-Dunn, being one of the best players in the league below, probably even the best now, is worth whatever Barnsley want him to be as he is under contract and a valuable asset. To one club he may be worth 2 million, to another 10 million. It's all about circumstances.
While i'm on here, its a definite no to Cornick, Plange and Dijksteel
Or maybe it was never true at all.
players still on holiday
players still in contract till end of the month.
There’s no difference really between them signing today or the day before pre season starts.
Carey was possibly one of them,