Not writing it off and I know he was here under completely different management and ownership. But it just seems so underwhelming that after everything, new manager new head of recruitment that we’re getting linked with old players from a frankly crap era of our history. Why not go the whole hog and get Stockley and JFC back as well
You do realise players can improve, especially younger players? The Famewo we would be signing now is a much better player than the one we had years ago. He’s established himself at championship level, exactly the kind of signing we need to be making
Not writing it off and I know he was here under completely different management and ownership. But it just seems so underwhelming that after everything, new manager new head of recruitment that we’re getting linked with old players from a frankly crap era of our history. Why not go the whole hog and get Stockley and JFC back as well
Because the latter are in their 30s and have been marooned in L1/L2 since leaving us while Famewo is mid-20s and has been playing in the Championship for the last 2 seasons.
Not writing it off and I know he was here under completely different management and ownership. But it just seems so underwhelming that after everything, new manager new head of recruitment that we’re getting linked with old players from a frankly crap era of our history. Why not go the whole hog and get Stockley and JFC back as well
Yes... Because someone who has been playing in the Championship in recent seasons, is comparable to Stockley / JFC
I guess we'll need to avoid Maatsen for the same reason if we were linked?
Really dont want us going after Gomez / Konsa / Lookman given how bad things were under Roland
I don't know where this Mitchell is slow nonsense has come from, he's not blistering fast but he's certainly not slow. From memory he's quicker than marginally quicker than Jones and slower than Ramsay... Other complaints on him are valid and I won't comment on but this pace thing is rubbish.
Jones plays in the middle where pace is a lot less important. Mitchell playing on the right he will end up 1v1 against wide forwards, if you look at some of the attackers we will be up against next season, you don’t want any of them running at Alex Mitchell!
If Mitchell stays then it would probably be as Jones backup in the central role, but personally think he will either leave or see very few minutes in league games.
No I don't disagree and you are right! But of all the criticisms levelled at Mitchell inherent pace isn't his major one in my opinion especially when you consider that gillesphey is glacially slow. Obviously gillesphey has other qualities but that was what I was getting at. His other qualities are the issue more than the pace itself
I don't know where this Mitchell is slow nonsense has come from, he's not blistering fast but he's certainly not slow. From memory he's quicker than marginally quicker than Jones and slower than Ramsay... Other complaints on him are valid and I won't comment on but this pace thing is rubbish.
Jones plays in the middle where pace is a lot less important. Mitchell playing on the right he will end up 1v1 against wide forwards, if you look at some of the attackers we will be up against next season, you don’t want any of them running at Alex Mitchell!
If Mitchell stays then it would probably be as Jones backup in the central role, but personally think he will either leave or see very few minutes in league games.
No I don't disagree and you are right! But of all the criticisms levelled at Mitchell inherent pace isn't his major one in my opinion especially when you consider that gillesphey is glacially slow. Obviously gillesphey has other qualities but that was what I was getting at. His other qualities are the issue more than the pace itself
The thing with Gillesphey is he has improved his positioning to cover for the fact he isn't the quickest. Mitchell may be able to do that too but we haven't seen the evidence yet
Not writing it off and I know he was here under completely different management and ownership. But it just seems so underwhelming that after everything, new manager new head of recruitment that we’re getting linked with old players from a frankly crap era of our history. Why not go the whole hog and get Stockley and JFC back as well
Yes... Because someone who has been playing in the Championship in recent seasons, is comparable to Stockley / JFC
I guess we'll need to avoid Maatsen for the same reason if we were linked?
Really dont want us going after Gomez / Konsa / Lookman given how bad things were under Roland
Difference being none of those you mentioned would be remotely interested in playing for us again
Not writing it off and I know he was here under completely different management and ownership. But it just seems so underwhelming that after everything, new manager new head of recruitment that we’re getting linked with old players from a frankly crap era of our history. Why not go the whole hog and get Stockley and JFC back as well
You do realise players can improve, especially younger players? The Famewo we would be signing now is a much better player than the one we had years ago. He’s established himself at championship level, exactly the kind of signing we need to be making
Not saying he hasn’t improved, but we should be looking forward not back! We’ve been burnt before resigning players. Just think it would be refreshing to see new faces for a new era.
Not writing it off and I know he was here under completely different management and ownership. But it just seems so underwhelming that after everything, new manager new head of recruitment that we’re getting linked with old players from a frankly crap era of our history. Why not go the whole hog and get Stockley and JFC back as well
You do realise players can improve, especially younger players? The Famewo we would be signing now is a much better player than the one we had years ago. He’s established himself at championship level, exactly the kind of signing we need to be making
Not saying he hasn’t improved, but we should be looking forward not back! We’ve been burnt before resigning players. Just think it would be refreshing to see new faces for a new era.
Numbers is obviously important to a point, its more about quality in for me.
5/6 sounds ok tbh. If we get players in who genuinely impact the first XI.
Remember when we got promoted to the Prem in 99/00. We really only added Jensen, JJ, Kish.... plus Bartlett and Fish during the season. But they impacted and added something.
The 99/00 team stormed the Championship that season as we only lost Danny Mills from the side thay had previously got relegated.
We are so off putting a 20 man squad together that can see us stay up next season its worrying.
The back 5 is pretty good & although we wont keep 20+ clean sheets this time around I have faith that they will keep enough to keep us competitive.
But then it all falls down.
Imo we need a playmaker in midfield (maybe we have one in our one & only signing so far ?) and a couple of wide men (one to replace Small and one cover for TC). Then we need at least 2, if not 3 strikers to replace Aneke, Ahadme, Kanu & Mbick.
For me we need at least 6 new players, and more like 8 or 9.
Probably wont happen. But if it does it needs to happen within the next 2 weeks. No point going to a training camp with half your starting 11 missing.
Needs to happen ? In an ideal world, yes. But, no one will have their entire squads complete in 2 weeks time, it’s not the way football works
Bar Campbell on loan from Luton and Dixon that squad 12 months ago was done and dusted before they went off to Slovenia.
Mainly because it was how Nathan said it should be.
So hoping for the same this season. Because my mind always goes back to the Ben Reeves "is he, isnt he" signing. In the end he signed just as the season kicked off, didnt have a proper pre-season and he/we suffered for it all that season.
Sign or dont sign, I dont care.....just dont fuck us about.
Not writing it off and I know he was here under completely different management and ownership. But it just seems so underwhelming that after everything, new manager new head of recruitment that we’re getting linked with old players from a frankly crap era of our history. Why not go the whole hog and get Stockley and JFC back as well
You do realise players can improve, especially younger players? The Famewo we would be signing now is a much better player than the one we had years ago. He’s established himself at championship level, exactly the kind of signing we need to be making
Not saying he hasn’t improved, but we should be looking forward not back! We’ve been burnt before resigning players. Just think it would be refreshing to see new faces for a new era.
Even if the returning player can add something?
He doesn’t really add anything though that’s the point, he’d be a bit part player. Hes no better than what we already have in the club, we should be aiming higher
Not writing it off and I know he was here under completely different management and ownership. But it just seems so underwhelming that after everything, new manager new head of recruitment that we’re getting linked with old players from a frankly crap era of our history. Why not go the whole hog and get Stockley and JFC back as well
You do realise players can improve, especially younger players? The Famewo we would be signing now is a much better player than the one we had years ago. He’s established himself at championship level, exactly the kind of signing we need to be making
Not saying he hasn’t improved, but we should be looking forward not back! We’ve been burnt before resigning players. Just think it would be refreshing to see new faces for a new era.
So we should turn down a player that’s played the last 2 years in the championship, that another championship club want to keep. Just because he’s played for us before?
He’s a championship defender, we are now in the championship and need championship defenders. If Jones likes him and we think his fitness will hold up then it’s a no brainer
Apparently the guy reporting the Famewo news last night isn’t reliable so wouldn’t get hopes up
Joe Crann from the Sheffield Star originally reported our apparent interest. Not unreliable. Baring satisfying our medical team that his knee's ok, I'd be more surprised if this one didn't happen.
Alex Mitchell reminds me of Matt Taylor from the Powell title season, who also started the season well but lost his place as it progressed, and hardly played in the Championship.
Both good characters, but slightly limited as footballers to prosper at a higher level.
Not writing it off and I know he was here under completely different management and ownership. But it just seems so underwhelming that after everything, new manager new head of recruitment that we’re getting linked with old players from a frankly crap era of our history. Why not go the whole hog and get Stockley and JFC back as well
You do realise players can improve, especially younger players? The Famewo we would be signing now is a much better player than the one we had years ago. He’s established himself at championship level, exactly the kind of signing we need to be making
Not saying he hasn’t improved, but we should be looking forward not back! We’ve been burnt before resigning players. Just think it would be refreshing to see new faces for a new era.
So we should turn down a player that’s played the last 2 years in the championship, that another championship club want to keep. Just because he’s played for us before?
He’s a championship defender, we are now in the championship and need championship defenders. If Jones likes him and we think his fitness will hold up then it’s a no brainer
For starters he played a season and quarter he was injured most of last season, secondly he’s no better than what we’ve got already. We have championship defenders already. Again we need to aim higher than those already here if we want to achieve anything
I also still have faith in Alex Mitchell if he gets his chance, think he is slightly underrated on here.
We will be up against it most games in the Champ, especially away, and he is very sound defensively. We will need pure defenders in certain games (Sheff United, Norwich, Southampton away etc) can forget about all that playing sexy football malarkey.
Mitchell’s pace - or lack of - is one concern
Secondlyhis passing is poor
and he’s not brilliant in the air despite his size
It may be that league one is his level. I suspect a pacy striker from the championship will make him look very silly. I hope I’m wrong because I like him as a guy, but I just think he is too limited for championship football
He is no quicker or slower than any of our centre backs of any significance, I am not counting Ramsay as he is a full back by trade and more of an athletic profile.
His passing is almost the same as any other defenders at Charlton, marginal differences, particularly Macca and Jones. It's actually becoming a bit of a myth that he can't pass, and I think people are saying it because that is what they hear other people say.
Finally you don't need pace when you are sitting deep at Sheffield United, Leicester, Norwich, etc, you need tough defenders who won't get bullied. He will be a good back up option and with him being young, has time to improve.
I'll add our defenders passing metrics in a spoiler just so you can see how close it is, but his bad passing is genuinely well over talked/mentioned. Similar passing stats to most centre backs who aren't renowned for 'ball playing ability'.
Anyway it is the rumours thread, point was with our limited funds, I am not too bothered about central defenders.
The wide forwards that play in the championship coming up against Alex Mitchell 1v1 is a scary prospect. He isn’t quick or agile enough to play in the championship as a wide centre back. He is better suited to the middle but he’s not dominant enough because he’s not as big as you probably need to be for middle of a back 3. Millwall came to the same conclusion that he wasn’t a championship player, he’s a solid league 1 defender and nothing more. Was barely getting a game for us in league 1 and I’d be surprised if he is still here in September
Also those passing stats don’t really show much. For example Gillesphey is asked to play a lot of long passes with higher risk so will lose the ball more. He isn’t anywhere near as capable with the ball as Jones and in particular Gillesphey are, that’s obvious to anyone that’s watched them play. He doesn’t make progressive passes like Jones and Gillesphey can, can’t bring the ball into midfield. He’s very limited with the ball, that doesn’t mean he loses it loads (though there’s definitely a few examples where he has and it’s cost us) but he’s doesn’t do much with it compared to all our other options
We can't compare ourselves to Millwall. That will be a bitter pill to swallow for some, but remove the rivalry and they are on a different level to us on a skill level. Consistent top half championship side since 2019. Lowest finish 13th in six seasons. What isn't good enough for Millwall, isn't necessarily not good enough for us.
We are in the same league now, but in terms of squad quality we are far apart imho.
The passing stats showed a similar amount of longballs to Lloyd and similar succession rates. The glaring difference is Lloyd is just a better defender/player.
All of these comments about his pace, range of passing etc are wide of the mark imo. He is a no nonsense centre back, we wouldn't have a defender in his early 20s who was quick, could pass and could defend as he would be gone fairly quickly. I don't understand your comment either about "Obvious to anyone that watched him play". 1 of the 134 son, watched him play plenty. I am not saying he is as calm as Jones on the ball, or as technical as Gillesphey, I am saying he is nowhere near as bad as to be made out to be, and now has an undeserved stigma around him.
The reality is, he may end up out on loan as I can't see him wanting to sit on the bench for a significant amount of time again, but he has time on his side and with his stature and attitude there is potential there. If he is a back up option in the Champ where we will need pure defenders, that might be fine. Budget better spent elsewhere.
Not writing it off and I know he was here under completely different management and ownership. But it just seems so underwhelming that after everything, new manager new head of recruitment that we’re getting linked with old players from a frankly crap era of our history. Why not go the whole hog and get Stockley and JFC back as well
You do realise players can improve, especially younger players? The Famewo we would be signing now is a much better player than the one we had years ago. He’s established himself at championship level, exactly the kind of signing we need to be making
Not saying he hasn’t improved, but we should be looking forward not back! We’ve been burnt before resigning players. Just think it would be refreshing to see new faces for a new era.
Even if the returning player can add something?
True, he might keep the physios busy, take Chuks place.
Also I wouldn't panic just yet. Looking at all the activity in the Championship so far, quite a few clubs have made the odd signing and some none at all.
Not writing it off and I know he was here under completely different management and ownership. But it just seems so underwhelming that after everything, new manager new head of recruitment that we’re getting linked with old players from a frankly crap era of our history. Why not go the whole hog and get Stockley and JFC back as well
You do realise players can improve, especially younger players? The Famewo we would be signing now is a much better player than the one we had years ago. He’s established himself at championship level, exactly the kind of signing we need to be making
Not saying he hasn’t improved, but we should be looking forward not back! We’ve been burnt before resigning players. Just think it would be refreshing to see new faces for a new era.
Even if the returning player can add something?
He doesn’t really add anything though that’s the point, he’d be a bit part player. Hes no better than what we already have in the club, we should be aiming higher
He can 100% add something. Not saying he is the be all but he has more experience in the champ than our current back 3. Does it mean he is better than them? Time will tell but he can very much add decent squad depth.
I also still have faith in Alex Mitchell if he gets his chance, think he is slightly underrated on here.
We will be up against it most games in the Champ, especially away, and he is very sound defensively. We will need pure defenders in certain games (Sheff United, Norwich, Southampton away etc) can forget about all that playing sexy football malarkey.
Mitchell’s pace - or lack of - is one concern
Secondlyhis passing is poor
and he’s not brilliant in the air despite his size
It may be that league one is his level. I suspect a pacy striker from the championship will make him look very silly. I hope I’m wrong because I like him as a guy, but I just think he is too limited for championship football
He is no quicker or slower than any of our centre backs of any significance, I am not counting Ramsay as he is a full back by trade and more of an athletic profile.
His passing is almost the same as any other defenders at Charlton, marginal differences, particularly Macca and Jones. It's actually becoming a bit of a myth that he can't pass, and I think people are saying it because that is what they hear other people say.
Finally you don't need pace when you are sitting deep at Sheffield United, Leicester, Norwich, etc, you need tough defenders who won't get bullied. He will be a good back up option and with him being young, has time to improve.
I'll add our defenders passing metrics in a spoiler just so you can see how close it is, but his bad passing is genuinely well over talked/mentioned. Similar passing stats to most centre backs who aren't renowned for 'ball playing ability'.
Anyway it is the rumours thread, point was with our limited funds, I am not too bothered about central defenders.
The wide forwards that play in the championship coming up against Alex Mitchell 1v1 is a scary prospect. He isn’t quick or agile enough to play in the championship as a wide centre back. He is better suited to the middle but he’s not dominant enough because he’s not as big as you probably need to be for middle of a back 3. Millwall came to the same conclusion that he wasn’t a championship player, he’s a solid league 1 defender and nothing more. Was barely getting a game for us in league 1 and I’d be surprised if he is still here in September
Also those passing stats don’t really show much. For example Gillesphey is asked to play a lot of long passes with higher risk so will lose the ball more. He isn’t anywhere near as capable with the ball as Jones and in particular Gillesphey are, that’s obvious to anyone that’s watched them play. He doesn’t make progressive passes like Jones and Gillesphey can, can’t bring the ball into midfield. He’s very limited with the ball, that doesn’t mean he loses it loads (though there’s definitely a few examples where he has and it’s cost us) but he’s doesn’t do much with it compared to all our other options
We can't compare ourselves to Millwall. That will be a bitter pill to swallow for some, but remove the rivalry and they are on a different level to us on a skill level. Consistent top half championship side since 2019. Lowest finish 13th in six seasons. What isn't good enough for Millwall, isn't necessarily not good enough for us.
We are in the same league now, but in terms of squad quality we are far apart imho.
The passing stats showed a similar amount of longballs to Lloyd and similar succession rates. The glaring difference is Lloyd is just a better defender/player.
All of these comments about his pace, range of passing etc are wide of the mark imo. He is a no nonsense centre back, we wouldn't have a defender in his early 20s who was quick, could pass and could defend as he would be gone fairly quickly. I don't understand your comment either about "Obvious to anyone that watched him play". 1 of the 134 son, watched him play plenty. I am not saying he is as calm as Jones on the ball, or as technical as Gillesphey, I am saying he is nowhere near as bad as to be made out to be, and now has an undeserved stigma around him.
The reality is, he may end up out on loan as I can't see him wanting to sit on the bench for a significant amount of time again, but he has time on his side and with his stature and attitude there is potential there. If he is a back up option in the Champ where we will need pure defenders, that might be fine. Budget better spent elsewhere.
Wasn’t a dig at you not watching him (I am also one of the 134 so seen more than enough). Was more that those stats really don’t mean anything when judging how good a player is with the ball at their feet, and actually watching live will tell you a lot more than those stats. Passing accuracy percentages are pretty useless as a measure for how good someone is with the ball at their feet. They just show that they don’t give the ball away much but that is really the bare minimum expectation. Progressive passes and carries would be a much better measure but not a widely available stat for fans at league 1 level
And the general consensus from many that have watched plenty is that he’s poor on the ball, and that includes Nathan Jones - he obviously wasn’t picking McIntyre there over Mitchell because of their defending, it was all about McIntyre being better on the ball that gave him the nod when Jones was out.
Millwall are a different level to us at the moment, but I didn’t see many lower championship teams queuing up to sign him after his good loan at Lincoln. He will go on loan to mid-table league 1 I think, even teams at the top of that division will want better
Not writing it off and I know he was here under completely different management and ownership. But it just seems so underwhelming that after everything, new manager new head of recruitment that we’re getting linked with old players from a frankly crap era of our history. Why not go the whole hog and get Stockley and JFC back as well
You do realise players can improve, especially younger players? The Famewo we would be signing now is a much better player than the one we had years ago. He’s established himself at championship level, exactly the kind of signing we need to be making
Not saying he hasn’t improved, but we should be looking forward not back! We’ve been burnt before resigning players. Just think it would be refreshing to see new faces for a new era.
So we should turn down a player that’s played the last 2 years in the championship, that another championship club want to keep. Just because he’s played for us before?
He’s a championship defender, we are now in the championship and need championship defenders. If Jones likes him and we think his fitness will hold up then it’s a no brainer
For starters he played a season and quarter he was injured most of last season, secondly he’s no better than what we’ve got already. We have championship defenders already. Again we need to aim higher than those already here if we want to achieve anything
Of our back three, they have a combined c5 championship appearances between them. We MIGHT have Championship defenders and based on their excellent performances in league 1 you would hope we do...... but at present Famewo is the most proven Championship defender.
Also I wouldn't panic just yet. Looking at all the activity in the Championship so far, quite a few clubs have made the odd signing and some none at all.
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So hoping for the same this season. Because my mind always goes back to the Ben Reeves "is he, isnt he" signing. In the end he signed just as the season kicked off, didnt have a proper pre-season and he/we suffered for it all that season.
Sign or dont sign, I dont care.....just dont fuck us about.
Both good characters, but slightly limited as footballers to prosper at a higher level.
We are in the same league now, but in terms of squad quality we are far apart imho.
The passing stats showed a similar amount of longballs to Lloyd and similar succession rates. The glaring difference is Lloyd is just a better defender/player.
All of these comments about his pace, range of passing etc are wide of the mark imo. He is a no nonsense centre back, we wouldn't have a defender in his early 20s who was quick, could pass and could defend as he would be gone fairly quickly. I don't understand your comment either about "Obvious to anyone that watched him play". 1 of the 134 son, watched him play plenty. I am not saying he is as calm as Jones on the ball, or as technical as Gillesphey, I am saying he is nowhere near as bad as to be made out to be, and now has an undeserved stigma around him.
The reality is, he may end up out on loan as I can't see him wanting to sit on the bench for a significant amount of time again, but he has time on his side and with his stature and attitude there is potential there. If he is a back up option in the Champ where we will need pure defenders, that might be fine. Budget better spent elsewhere.
FootNote Damn got beaten to it by Dessie Valley.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/transfers/wettbewerb/GB2/plus/?saison_id=2025&s_w=s&leihe=3&intern=0&intern=1
Of our back three, they have a combined c5 championship appearances between them. We MIGHT have Championship defenders and based on their excellent performances in league 1 you would hope we do...... but at present Famewo is the most proven Championship defender.
But most teams in the championship have a championship squad .
We don't so not a fair comparison.