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  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,509
    valleynick66 said:
    iainment said:
    valleynick66 said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    valleynick66 said:
    It was on BBC News I think the other day. 

    It does feel like the council are being petty / awkward when there isn’t an obvious issue. 
    It's not the pub's land so I'm not really clear why they can commandeer it?
    I think the point being made was the pub was using it successfully without issue. The customers like it and no real issue was created. 

    Pavement eating / drinking when many businesses struggle is not a bad thing generally I’d say. 

    Sometimes a bit of common sense just works. 
    It is an issue, I regularly walk along there and the pubs appropriation of the path isn’t ok. It’s theft pure and simple of something that isn’t theirs.
    The BBC news item presented it as not really creating a problem for anyone. 

    Is that false?
    It can get very crowded - would be difficult to navigate in a wheelchair.

    I don't understand why the owner is allowed to take the footpath.
  • paulbaconsarnie
    paulbaconsarnie Posts: 9,428
    I’m sure if a coach load turned sat on the tables eating their packed lunches, the pub would not be happy.
  • Crusty54
    Crusty54 Posts: 3,255
    This is rich. Poor kitchen hygiene closed it down in the past.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,509
    I think the Trafalgar owner may be opening another riverside pub near the entrance to the foot tunnel - the premises has been empty for some time awaiting planning permission.
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,958
    used to have some cracking nights there.

    Boat party on Silver Sturgeon then Trafalgar after
  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,658
    My Great, Great Grandfather was born in one of the rooms overlooking the river. His father was a sea captain and his mum was in digs there while he was at sea. Unfortunately I don't have hardly any details as all that side of the family have now passed away. There is a matchbox somewhere at my mums with a picture of the ship he captained on it.
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 4,946
    Crusty54 said:
    This is rich. Poor kitchen hygiene closed it down in the past.
    Aren’t places allowed to change and improve?

    surely its popularity means it can’t be all bad. 

    We used to be a League One team and now we aren’t…😉🙂
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,500
    valleynick66 said:
    Crusty54 said:
    This is rich. Poor kitchen hygiene closed it down in the past.
    Aren’t places allowed to change and improve?

    surely its popularity means it can’t be all bad. 

    We used to be a League One team and now we aren’t…😉🙂
    not by putting tables on land that isn't theirs though
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 4,946
    PrincessFiona said:
    valleynick66 said:
    Crusty54 said:
    This is rich. Poor kitchen hygiene closed it down in the past.
    Aren’t places allowed to change and improve?

    surely its popularity means it can’t be all bad. 

    We used to be a League One team and now we aren’t…😉🙂
    not by putting tables on land that isn't theirs though
    My thoughts really were the pub/cafe pavement culture is a nice thing to see. 

    It’s what you notice as different on holiday. 

    I think we now see more of this in the West End too. 

    They may well be taking a bit of a liberty but it is a popular spot and overall feels like the pub adds to the area. Just nice to see  business in this sector doing well. 

    Shame they can’t seem to find some common ground (no pun intended)  with the council. 
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,958
    yeah but I wanted to set up a burger van and some deckchairs on that bit of land. I don't have the rights to do it, but so what ?

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  • usetobunkin
    usetobunkin Posts: 2,220
    RBG, have bigger problems than a few tables blocking a path. Had the misfortune to walk up Eltham High Street, it’s an absolute disgrace. 
    Litter strewn everywhere, most bins overflowing, it’s almost third world. 

    Makes me sad and angry in equal measure.
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,655

    Greenwich pub wins fight to keep riverside seating

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgq1qwe5wdo
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,116
    Greenwich Council appears to be run by joyless individuals intent on spreading misery to anyone in the borough.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,509
    edited September 26
    Fairly ludicrous that a private business can take over a public walkway for business purposes. Does the owner pay anything for this?

    It's not the pub's beer garden which numerous media outlets keep referring to it as. Frank Dowling the owner just runs rings around Greenwich council with his misleading comments.
  • Baldybonce
    Baldybonce Posts: 9,688
    This pisses me off
  • Diebythesword
    Diebythesword Posts: 389
    Covered End said:
    Greenwich Council appears to be run by joyless individuals intent on spreading misery to anyone in the borough.
    Joy is only for those who have brown envelopes.
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,778
    Baldybonce said:
    This pisses me off
    He’s got some Cory on him eh?
  • Baldybonce
    Baldybonce Posts: 9,688
    SuedeAdidas said:
    Baldybonce said:
    This pisses me off
    He’s got some Cory on him eh?
    Probably why his hand fell off.
  • BalladMan
    BalladMan Posts: 1,156
    This is the second time Frank Dowling has 'won' against public bodies (also got Tax evasion charges from HMRC thrown out of court).  I suspect he has very good lawyers.  Frank does what Frank wants and usually gets away with it.  
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,509
    BalladMan said:
    This is the second time Frank Dowling has 'won' against public bodies (also got Tax evasion charges from HMRC thrown out of court).  I suspect he has very good lawyers.  Frank does what Frank wants and usually gets away with it.  
    Still waiting for him to open the Ship Tavern in Greenwich - presumably he'll claim another bit of land as a beer garden. 

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