What I am encouraged by is that all of the signings seem to be chosen for a specific purpose or because of specific qualities (GL with experience, a forward who can run and press, a midfielder who scores goals etc).
It feels much more "logical" than signing players for their names or for the sake of it, like Tedic who was signed basically just because he was all we could even manage, or trying to make an artsy creative but workshy midfielder fit into Jones’s press-ageddon style.
Tedic and fiorini I think who you're alluding too were hardly proven though there is quality to be had but I get what your saying in horses for courses just think when our sit behind the ball and harry tactics possibly start failing and we have no creativity or means to buy goals In a better league we will all start crying about why we didn't get them in I'd like a mix of both.
I genuinely doubt it because the system isn't set up for it, Jones has a very specific methodology and proved last season he is not going to change his mind about how he gets the team playing no matter what.
There is no point signing a lightweight playmaker (for example) if the entire squad is about pressing and energy.
I think that may increase depending on departures. Most Championship clubs seem to have three keepers which is why I mention Kaminski as Bouzanis's replacement.
For example if we sign Burke then that would mean in my opinion that Alex Mitchell might leave , similarly Kanu to Wombles opens a gap.
We need a replacement for
Small Watson Aneke - Oloafe Bouzanis - Kaminski Gilbert - Carey McIntyre The extra spot which was left unfilled when we couldn't secure the signing of Bennette on deadline day.
first choice RWB - (Potentially Offiah?) first choice LCB/competition for Gillepshey - (Potentially Famewo?) First choice No.8/compeition for Docherty - (Potentially Galbraith but looking unlikely)
Then probably need another LWB as cover for Edwards And another more defensive minded CM as cover for Coventry. Potentially another striker option if we do let Kanu/Ahadme leave.
Would leave the squad looking something like this:
GK - Kaminski / Mannion / AMB
RWB - *NEW* (OFFIAH?) / Assiimwe
RCB - Ramsey / Z.Mitchell
CB - Jones / A.Mitchell
LCB - *NEW*(FAMEWO?) / Gillepshey
LWB - Edwards / *New*
DM - Coventry /*NEW*/ Taylor
CM - *NEW* / Docherty / Anderson
CAM - Carey / Berry
ST - Oloafe / Godden / *NEW*
ST - Campbell / Leaburn / Ahadme
Cawley said we were only looking to bring in 7 signings, so probably going to bring in a RCB/RWB (depending where Ramsay plays) a LCB, LWB and a CM/CAM on top of Kaminski Oloafe and Carey and that will be our business done would like another forward but not a necessity Oloafe, TC, Godden, Leaburn and then Ahadme/Mbick for emergency cover should be enough. Preston fans seem convinced they’ve won the race for Offiah as well
Cawley speculated that it would be around 7 players. There was nothing definite about it.
Pretty sure it was Rodwell on TalkSport that said 6/7 players in
Cause if Tanto has a 15-20 goal season in the championship his value goes from 1.5 million to 10 million at least.
Not a bad idea by Millwall
FLW have said Stockport will get 40% of any profit we make, that sounds like Millwall wouldn’t get anything, despite it originally being suggested when he moved to Stockport they’d get a % of profit on his next two moves.
I read it as they'd still get 40% of that 40%. I wouldn't be surprised if they actually agreed to take less of a cut now but a higher percentage of the 40%. These things are very complicated
Can i just say, having seen him play about 8/9 times last season, Charlie Kelman is a shit FOOTBALLER, clearly good at putting the ball in the net, but offers next to nothing in the build up, can’t pass, doesn’t hold it up, is purely a long ball chaser and that’s where his bread’s buttered, fair play to him. But he found his level & severely lacks any technical ability to progress any higher imo.
I don’t think he is as bad as you make out but at the same time, I can’t see the hype. 21 goals last year but only 18 L1 goals in 4 seasons before. I definitely think it’s a gamble for championship clubs to be after him but you are only as good as your last season where his stats were impressive
Strikers are only as good as the quality of service provided for them.
And even then, they won't score from each and every chance.
Decent striker average: convert 1-in-3 chances.
I dunno did you ever see R9 play he could pick the ball up from anywhere and terrorise a defence.
first choice RWB - (Potentially Offiah?) first choice LCB/competition for Gillepshey - (Potentially Famewo?) First choice No.8/compeition for Docherty - (Potentially Galbraith but looking unlikely)
Then probably need another LWB as cover for Edwards And another more defensive minded CM as cover for Coventry. Potentially another striker option if we do let Kanu/Ahadme leave.
Would leave the squad looking something like this:
GK - Kaminski / Mannion / AMB
RWB - *NEW* (OFFIAH?) / Assiimwe
RCB - Ramsey / Z.Mitchell
CB - Jones / A.Mitchell
LCB - *NEW*(FAMEWO?) / Gillepshey
LWB - Edwards / *New*
DM - Coventry /*NEW*/ Taylor
CM - *NEW* / Docherty / Anderson
CAM - Carey / Berry
ST - Oloafe / Godden / *NEW*
ST - Campbell / Leaburn / Ahadme
Cawley said we were only looking to bring in 7 signings, so probably going to bring in a RCB/RWB (depending where Ramsay plays) a LCB, LWB and a CM/CAM on top of Kaminski Oloafe and Carey and that will be our business done would like another forward but not a necessity Oloafe, TC, Godden, Leaburn and then Ahadme/Mbick for emergency cover should be enough. Preston fans seem convinced they’ve won the race for Offiah as well
Cawley speculated that it would be around 7 players. There was nothing definite about it.
Don't think Cawley speculates on anything, his input is usually well thought through and constructive, if he said 7 that would have been based on information received in good faith...
It was on his Substack pod and it was definitely a speculative chat between him and Louis on what the summer business might look like.
No doubt Rich is ahead on most things, doesn't make everything he says gospel.
Agreed. The club nor anyone else has informed Rich on how many players we wish to sign. He said this specifically. And also why would they..
His words were. I believe Charlton maybe looking for at least 7 signings.
first choice RWB - (Potentially Offiah?) first choice LCB/competition for Gillepshey - (Potentially Famewo?) First choice No.8/compeition for Docherty - (Potentially Galbraith but looking unlikely)
Then probably need another LWB as cover for Edwards And another more defensive minded CM as cover for Coventry. Potentially another striker option if we do let Kanu/Ahadme leave.
Would leave the squad looking something like this:
GK - Kaminski / Mannion / AMB
RWB - *NEW* (OFFIAH?) / Assiimwe
RCB - Ramsey / Z.Mitchell
CB - Jones / A.Mitchell
LCB - *NEW*(FAMEWO?) / Gillepshey
LWB - Edwards / *New*
DM - Coventry /*NEW*/ Taylor
CM - *NEW* / Docherty / Anderson
CAM - Carey / Berry
ST - Oloafe / Godden / *NEW*
ST - Campbell / Leaburn / Ahadme
Cawley said we were only looking to bring in 7 signings, so probably going to bring in a RCB/RWB (depending where Ramsay plays) a LCB, LWB and a CM/CAM on top of Kaminski Oloafe and Carey and that will be our business done would like another forward but not a necessity Oloafe, TC, Godden, Leaburn and then Ahadme/Mbick for emergency cover should be enough. Preston fans seem convinced they’ve won the race for Offiah as well
Cawley speculated that it would be around 7 players. There was nothing definite about it.
Don't think Cawley speculates on anything, his input is usually well thought through and constructive, if he said 7 that would have been based on information received in good faith...
It was on his Substack pod and it was definitely a speculative chat between him and Louis on what the summer business might look like.
No doubt Rich is ahead on most things, doesn't make everything he says gospel.
Of course not...that's why I said "information received in good faith"
We’ve done well too. Not just with this signing but last summer losing multiple good players and becoming a better team as a result. It’s what happens to well run clubs. Transfers don’t have to have winners and losers.
Badly run clubs are forced to sell good players and not have a plan for replacing them.
first choice RWB - (Potentially Offiah?) first choice LCB/competition for Gillepshey - (Potentially Famewo?) First choice No.8/compeition for Docherty - (Potentially Galbraith but looking unlikely)
Then probably need another LWB as cover for Edwards And another more defensive minded CM as cover for Coventry. Potentially another striker option if we do let Kanu/Ahadme leave.
Would leave the squad looking something like this:
GK - Kaminski / Mannion / AMB
RWB - *NEW* (OFFIAH?) / Assiimwe
RCB - Ramsey / Z.Mitchell
CB - Jones / A.Mitchell
LCB - *NEW*(FAMEWO?) / Gillepshey
LWB - Edwards / *New*
DM - Coventry /*NEW*/ Taylor
CM - *NEW* / Docherty / Anderson
CAM - Carey / Berry
ST - Oloafe / Godden / *NEW*
ST - Campbell / Leaburn / Ahadme
Cawley said we were only looking to bring in 7 signings, so probably going to bring in a RCB/RWB (depending where Ramsay plays) a LCB, LWB and a CM/CAM on top of Kaminski Oloafe and Carey and that will be our business done would like another forward but not a necessity Oloafe, TC, Godden, Leaburn and then Ahadme/Mbick for emergency cover should be enough. Preston fans seem convinced they’ve won the race for Offiah as well
Cawley speculated that it would be around 7 players. There was nothing definite about it.
Pretty sure it was Rodwell on TalkSport that said 6/7 players in
Say 7 and bring in 8, everyone is pleased. Say 9 and bring in 8, everyone moans.
Millwall have clearly done a deal with Stockport to roll over most of their sell on fee, gambling that they'll get a bigger sell on fee when we sell the player.
That does suggest that Millwall think he's a good player and potentially worth more than WE payed, which is promising.
Can i just say, having seen him play about 8/9 times last season, Charlie Kelman is a shit FOOTBALLER, clearly good at putting the ball in the net, but offers next to nothing in the build up, can’t pass, doesn’t hold it up, is purely a long ball chaser and that’s where his bread’s buttered, fair play to him. But he found his level & severely lacks any technical ability to progress any higher imo.
I don’t think he is as bad as you make out but at the same time, I can’t see the hype. 21 goals last year but only 18 L1 goals in 4 seasons before. I definitely think it’s a gamble for championship clubs to be after him but you are only as good as your last season where his stats were impressive
Strikers are only as good as the quality of service provided for them.
And even then, they won't score from each and every chance.
Decent striker average: convert 1-in-3 chances.
I dunno did you ever see R9 play he could pick the ball up from anywhere and terrorise a defence.
Disappointing though that the story behind the clickbait headline wasn't that we had agreed to buy Tanto for £100k and pay Stockport £1.4m for some grass seed and football nets.
first choice RWB - (Potentially Offiah?) first choice LCB/competition for Gillepshey - (Potentially Famewo?) First choice No.8/compeition for Docherty - (Potentially Galbraith but looking unlikely)
Then probably need another LWB as cover for Edwards And another more defensive minded CM as cover for Coventry. Potentially another striker option if we do let Kanu/Ahadme leave.
Would leave the squad looking something like this:
GK - Kaminski / Mannion / AMB
RWB - *NEW* (OFFIAH?) / Assiimwe
RCB - Ramsey / Z.Mitchell
CB - Jones / A.Mitchell
LCB - *NEW*(FAMEWO?) / Gillepshey
LWB - Edwards / *New*
DM - Coventry /*NEW*/ Taylor
CM - *NEW* / Docherty / Anderson
CAM - Carey / Berry
ST - Oloafe / Godden / *NEW*
ST - Campbell / Leaburn / Ahadme
Cawley said we were only looking to bring in 7 signings, so probably going to bring in a RCB/RWB (depending where Ramsay plays) a LCB, LWB and a CM/CAM on top of Kaminski Oloafe and Carey and that will be our business done would like another forward but not a necessity Oloafe, TC, Godden, Leaburn and then Ahadme/Mbick for emergency cover should be enough. Preston fans seem convinced they’ve won the race for Offiah as well
Cawley speculated that it would be around 7 players. There was nothing definite about it.
Pretty sure it was Rodwell on TalkSport that said 6/7 players in
I think Cawley speculated we’d sign at least 6/7 and Rodwell later said similar.
The way I'd look at this squad currently with the gaps we've got in terms of what could be done in terms of ins
RWB x2 (loan out Assimwe, cover can always be Ramsay in a pinch, I don't want to see TC playing wingback ever!) would love Offiah , wouldn't be surprised if the cover was a utility player who could cover 2-3 positions
CBx2 , 1 left footer to push Gilly , 1 cover for Jones (don't mind the Burke idea here if the fee is reasonable)
LWB X1 - Edwards needs cover/competition, as much as I back him to make the step up with ease
CDM X1 - Coventry needs cover , could be one to find an experienced free agent.
CM X1 - nothing against Doc but we need competition in there , would like someone that's a bit better on the ball than Doc. Doc is still gonna have a big role to play. Potentially a high end PL loan?
AM - luxury signing if the right player became available. Not entirely convinced it will happen and it might be Carey/Berry competing there
ST - x1??? Tanto and TC seem to be competing for the same kind of role , think Tanto away from home with his physicality will be very useful when we're not going to have a lot of the ball. Not really sure what to do about where Leaburn fits in until we know fitness wise where he's at. Would sign another poacher that can learn off Godden who will still have a big role to play even if he's not starting every week.
Ahadme can go , Kanu, Casey (think this was mentioned on the U21s thread it was agreed before the end of the season )and Mbick on loan . Dixon is a complete wildcard that I'd give preseason to and see what's what with his development.
40% sell on sounds very high, surprised we agreed to that during negotiation. Certainly a lot higher than a standard sell on clause.
From what I can only assume is that it’s 40% off the sell on fee that Stockport receive. We could have given 20% sell on fee and then Millwall will get 40% of that fee?
If Kanu goes on loan to Wimbledon that looks like a decent situation on the face of it, but not if it turns out Kanu is elsewhere, but Ahademe is here.
Sounds like the Galbraith deal is dead. Regardless of whether Swansea can ageee a fee, I can’t see Jones wanting to be kept waiting if EG has said he’d prefer the move to south Wales.
You’d have to think the reason is they’re offering more money, which is fair enough. But I don’t think there’s much of a credible argument that the Swans are a particularly stronger outfit. They’ve struggled badly the last few years. And of course a move to SE7 means EG wouldn’t have to relocate.
40% sell on sounds very high, surprised we agreed to that during negotiation. Certainly a lot higher than a standard sell on clause.
From what I can only assume is that it’s 40% off the sell on fee that Stockport receive. We could have given 20% sell on fee and then Millwall will get 40% of that fee?
Millwall should have received £585k from the deal with their current 45% of profit clause on Tanto.
If the above was correct then we would need to sell him for 10m (!) for them to makes 800k (stockport receive 2m and give millwall 40% which is 800k) seems like a massive risk for an extra few hundred thousand doesnt it.
Seems unlikely to me, more likely stockport agreed a sell on with us and then offered it to Millwall in exchange for not paying the sell on this time.
40% sell on sounds very high, surprised we agreed to that during negotiation. Certainly a lot higher than a standard sell on clause.
From what I can only assume is that it’s 40% off the sell on fee that Stockport receive. We could have given 20% sell on fee and then Millwall will get 40% of that fee?
So, if we’ve paid £1.5m and we sell him on for £2m the profit to us would be £500k, making Stockport’s 20% (?) worth £100k and Millwall’s 40% a princely sum of £40k. Yep, can see why the Spanner’s gave up 40% of Stockport’s £1.35m (?) profit….
Sounds like the Galbraith deal is dead. Regardless of whether Swansea can ageee a fee, I can’t see Jones wanting to be kept waiting if EG has said he’d prefer the move to south Wales.
You’d have to think the reason is they’re offering more money, which is fair enough. But I don’t think there’s much of a credible argument that the Swans are a particularly stronger outfit. They’ve struggled badly the last few years. And of course a move to SE7 means EG wouldn’t have to relocate.
40% sell on sounds very high, surprised we agreed to that during negotiation. Certainly a lot higher than a standard sell on clause.
From what I can only assume is that it’s 40% off the sell on fee that Stockport receive. We could have given 20% sell on fee and then Millwall will get 40% of that fee?
So, if we’ve paid £1.5m and we sell him on for £2m the profit to us would be £500k, making Stockport’s 20% (?) worth £100k and Millwall’s 40% a princely sum of £40k. Yep, can see why the Spanner’s gave up 40% of Stockport’s £1.35m (?) profit….
40% sell on sounds very high, surprised we agreed to that during negotiation. Certainly a lot higher than a standard sell on clause.
From what I can only assume is that it’s 40% off the sell on fee that Stockport receive. We could have given 20% sell on fee and then Millwall will get 40% of that fee?
So, if we’ve paid £1.5m and we sell him on for £2m the profit to us would be £500k, making Stockport’s 20% (?) worth £100k and Millwall’s 40% a princely sum of £40k. Yep, can see why the Spanner’s gave up 40% of Stockport’s £1.35m (?) profit….
But what if we sell him for £10m then it’s not a bad deal.
as an established championship club, the £600k is small change and it’s easy money at low risk for them if we sell him on for big money in the future
40% sell on sounds very high, surprised we agreed to that during negotiation. Certainly a lot higher than a standard sell on clause.
From what I can only assume is that it’s 40% off the sell on fee that Stockport receive. We could have given 20% sell on fee and then Millwall will get 40% of that fee?
So, if we’ve paid £1.5m and we sell him on for £2m the profit to us would be £500k, making Stockport’s 20% (?) worth £100k and Millwall’s 40% a princely sum of £40k. Yep, can see why the Spanner’s gave up 40% of Stockport’s £1.35m (?) profit….
But what if we sell him for £10m then it’s not a bad deal.
as an established championship club, the £600k is small change and it’s easy money at low risk for them if we sell him on for big money in the future
He’s a 25 year old who scored 8 goals at L1 level last season. That’s not to say I don’t think he’s a decent signing for you. But I don’t think he’ll be going for anywhere near 10 million any time soon. Or ever.
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There is no point signing a lightweight playmaker (for example) if the entire squad is about pressing and energy.
I think that may increase depending on departures.
Most Championship clubs seem to have three keepers which is why I mention Kaminski as Bouzanis's replacement.
For example if we sign Burke then that would mean in my opinion that Alex Mitchell might leave , similarly Kanu to Wombles opens a gap.
We need a replacement for
Small
Watson
Aneke - Oloafe
Bouzanis - Kaminski
Gilbert - Carey
McIntyre
The extra spot which was left unfilled when we couldn't secure the signing of Bennette on deadline day.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cqx2g4x3901o
His words were. I believe Charlton maybe looking for at least 7 signings.
I guess he could also be an alternative to Famewo rather than us considering both.
Badly run clubs are forced to sell good players and not have a plan for replacing them.
That does suggest that Millwall think he's a good player and potentially worth more than WE payed, which is promising.
RWB x2 (loan out Assimwe, cover can always be Ramsay in a pinch, I don't want to see TC playing wingback ever!) would love Offiah , wouldn't be surprised if the cover was a utility player who could cover 2-3 positions
CBx2 , 1 left footer to push Gilly , 1 cover for Jones (don't mind the Burke idea here if the fee is reasonable)
LWB X1 - Edwards needs cover/competition, as much as I back him to make the step up with ease
CDM X1 - Coventry needs cover , could be one to find an experienced free agent.
CM X1 - nothing against Doc but we need competition in there , would like someone that's a bit better on the ball than Doc. Doc is still gonna have a big role to play. Potentially a high end PL loan?
AM - luxury signing if the right player became available. Not entirely convinced it will happen and it might be Carey/Berry competing there
ST - x1??? Tanto and TC seem to be competing for the same kind of role , think Tanto away from home with his physicality will be very useful when we're not going to have a lot of the ball. Not really sure what to do about where Leaburn fits in until we know fitness wise where he's at. Would sign another poacher that can learn off Godden who will still have a big role to play even if he's not starting every week.
Ahadme can go , Kanu, Casey (think this was mentioned on the U21s thread it was agreed before the end of the season )and Mbick on loan . Dixon is a complete wildcard that I'd give preseason to and see what's what with his development.
But I don’t think there’s much of a credible argument that the Swans are a particularly stronger outfit. They’ve struggled badly the last few years. And of course a move to SE7 means EG wouldn’t have to relocate.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c5ylkyrkjnzo
If the above was correct then we would need to sell him for 10m (!) for them to makes 800k (stockport receive 2m and give millwall 40% which is 800k) seems like a massive risk for an extra few hundred thousand doesnt it.
Seems unlikely to me, more likely stockport agreed a sell on with us and then offered it to Millwall in exchange for not paying the sell on this time.
as an established championship club, the £600k is small change and it’s easy money at low risk for them if we sell him on for big money in the future