The MK players prefer Wimbledon apprently. Source: mkcitizen
Stupid clickbait headline.
But for the record......and nobody will ever change my mind on this.....MK Dons are Wimbledon. That being the Wimbledon that won the FA Cup in 1988. It's called history and you cant change it.
For some unfathomable reason I loath MK, both the place and the team. Made up place with a made up team.
No different to Arsenal moving north of the river and dropping "Woolwich" from their name. In this case Wimbledon moved to Milton Keynes so added MK to their name.
For some unfathomable reason I loath MK, both the place and the team. Made up place with a made up team.
No different to Arsenal moving north of the river and dropping "Woolwich" from their name. In this case Wimbledon moved to Milton Keynes so added MK to their name.
Totally different. One moved a few miles across a river but stayed in the same city, the other moved over 60 miles and out of the city they originated from.
How would you feel if Charlton moved a few miles to another site in London? Not happy but you would probably carry on supporting them. Now how would you feel if someone moved Charlton 60 odd miles, out of London, to somewhere like Leighton Buzzard and then proceeded to changed everything about their identity? Mental comparison.
And even if it was a valid comparison, what happened with Arsenal was a very long time ago when football was a fledgling sport and everyone was just starting out and finding their place in the pyramid.
If Winkleman wanted league football for the town of MK then he should’ve bought the local non league club (or started a club from scratch, like AFC Wimbledon had to) and worked them up the football pyramid and got there on merit (something Wimbledon had to do… twice!!), and they would have replaced another team, on merit. That’s how our pyramid works and it’s the envy of the world.
What Winkleman did was buy a league position (and robbed a club of its identity in the process) and that’s franchise football. No other term for it.
I don’t know any genuine fans who think what happened with Wimbledon was right and it should never be forgotten because if it is it’ll be allowed to happen again.
The rules have changed to prevent another franchise from ever happening again and with AFC being a division higher the proof is there that it doesn't work.
If you were a billionaire who wanted a to bring league football to hick town nowheresvile, it would surely be more enjoyable to fund a Salford up the leagues then to take a short cut.🤷🏻♂️ The local non-league club MK Town went out of business as well.
The rules have changed to prevent another franchise from ever happening again and with AFC being a division higher the proof is there that it doesn't work.
If you were a billionaire who wanted a to bring league football to hick town nowheresvile, it would surely be more enjoyable to fund a Salford up the leagues then to take a short cut.🤷🏻♂️ The local non-league club MK Town went out of business as well.
Used to work with a big MK fan. She defended the situation by saying the town just wanted a team they could support. I pointed out that they had a lower non league team, and what a great story it would have been if the town had got behind them and they worked their way through the leagues. They didn't go and support them so what they actually wanted was a ready made league team that they didn't have to do anything for and didn't have to earn their position.
And even if it was a valid comparison, what happened with Arsenal was a very long time ago when football was a fledgling sport and everyone was just starting out and finding their place in the pyramid.
If Winkleman wanted league football for the town of MK then he should’ve bought the local non league club (or started a club from scratch, like AFC Wimbledon had to) and worked them up the football pyramid and got there on merit (something Wimbledon had to do… twice!!), and they would have replaced another team, on merit. That’s how our pyramid works and it’s the envy of the world.
I agree with everything you say except this bit in bold which, to be fair, is something I’ve heard elsewhere.
I believe that other leagues and fans envy the money made in English football but not the pyramid system itself. The systems are quite similar everywhere, aren’t they?
I know how it works in France and it isn’t all that different. Most differences, like regionalising the country into smaller areas from the fourth division down, are simply due to the larger size of the country and therefore extra travelling. If they wanted to make it into exactly the same system as in England they could but it doesn’t make sense. Or do you think that they envy having a smaller country?
And even if it was a valid comparison, what happened with Arsenal was a very long time ago when football was a fledgling sport and everyone was just starting out and finding their place in the pyramid.
If Winkleman wanted league football for the town of MK then he should’ve bought the local non league club (or started a club from scratch, like AFC Wimbledon had to) and worked them up the football pyramid and got there on merit (something Wimbledon had to do… twice!!), and they would have replaced another team, on merit. That’s how our pyramid works and it’s the envy of the world.
I agree with everything you say except this bit in bold which, to be fair, is something I’ve heard elsewhere.
I believe that other leagues and fans envy the money made in English football but not the pyramid system itself. The systems are quite similar everywhere, aren’t they?
I know how it works in France and it isn’t all that different. Most differences, like regionalising the country into smaller areas from the fourth division down, are simply due to the larger size of the country and therefore extra travelling. If they wanted to make it into exactly the same system as in England they could but it doesn’t make sense. Or do you think that they envy having a smaller country?
The main reason for regionalising in their lower leagues on the continent is because the clubs outside the top two leagues are so small and poorly supported that they couldn’t afford the travel and hotels etc. our pyramid is well supported throughout. Sure there’s clubs who only get a few thousand in our third and fourth tiers, but they would be the best supported clubs at that level on the continent.
It’s not unusual to see regular attendances of 15k and even 20k plus in our third and even fourth tiers. We get teams in our fifth and sixth tier that regularly get north of 5k. That’s just unheard of on the continent. At that level in say Spain or France you’d be lucky to get a couple of hundred.
And then there’s the big clubs being allowed to play their B teams in the 3rd and 4th tiers on the continent. That’s just shit isn’t it?
And even if it was a valid comparison, what happened with Arsenal was a very long time ago when football was a fledgling sport and everyone was just starting out and finding their place in the pyramid.
If Winkleman wanted league football for the town of MK then he should’ve bought the local non league club (or started a club from scratch, like AFC Wimbledon had to) and worked them up the football pyramid and got there on merit (something Wimbledon had to do… twice!!), and they would have replaced another team, on merit. That’s how our pyramid works and it’s the envy of the world.
I agree with everything you say except this bit in bold which, to be fair, is something I’ve heard elsewhere.
I believe that other leagues and fans envy the money made in English football but not the pyramid system itself. The systems are quite similar everywhere, aren’t they?
I know how it works in France and it isn’t all that different. Most differences, like regionalising the country into smaller areas from the fourth division down, are simply due to the larger size of the country and therefore extra travelling. If they wanted to make it into exactly the same system as in England they could but it doesn’t make sense. Or do you think that they envy having a smaller country?
I remember years ago when José Mourinho was at Chelsea, they played Northampton in one of the cups at Stamford Bridge. Northampton was 4th tier and brought something like 8000 fans to Stamford Bridge. Mourinho said theres not a country in Europe where that would happen.
And even if it was a valid comparison, what happened with Arsenal was a very long time ago when football was a fledgling sport and everyone was just starting out and finding their place in the pyramid.
If Winkleman wanted league football for the town of MK then he should’ve bought the local non league club (or started a club from scratch, like AFC Wimbledon had to) and worked them up the football pyramid and got there on merit (something Wimbledon had to do… twice!!), and they would have replaced another team, on merit. That’s how our pyramid works and it’s the envy of the world.
I agree with everything you say except this bit in bold which, to be fair, is something I’ve heard elsewhere.
I believe that other leagues and fans envy the money made in English football but not the pyramid system itself. The systems are quite similar everywhere, aren’t they?
I know how it works in France and it isn’t all that different. Most differences, like regionalising the country into smaller areas from the fourth division down, are simply due to the larger size of the country and therefore extra travelling. If they wanted to make it into exactly the same system as in England they could but it doesn’t make sense. Or do you think that they envy having a smaller country?
I remember years ago when José Mourinho was at Chelsea, they played Northampton in one of the cups at Stamford Bridge. Northampton was 4th tier and brought something like 8000 fans to Stamford Bridge. Mourinho said theres not a country in Europe where that would happen.
I totally agree with everyone saying it's a travesty, should never have happened, would you still support them yadda yadda yadda.
That still doesn't avoid the fact that MK Dons ARE Wimbledon. The Wimbledon that won the FA Cup and that Vinny Jones played for.
And to answer @MillwallFan.......how far is too far when moving grounds ? Look at all the new "out of town" grounds that clubs have moved to over the past 20-30 years. Arsenal, Leicester, Middlesbrough, Southampton, Swansea, Derby and now Everton. even Millwall moved to a new ground.
So how far is too far ? Some CAFC fans wouldn't travel the 5 miles to Selhurst. Is 10 miles too far ?? Or is it just when you move out of the county ?
I totally agree with everyone saying it's a travesty, should never have happened, would you still support them yadda yadda yadda.
That still doesn't avoid the fact that MK Dons ARE Wimbledon. The Wimbledon that won the FA Cup and that Vinny Jones played for.
And to answer @MillwallFan.......how far is too far when moving grounds ? Look at all the new "out of town" grounds that clubs have moved to over the past 20-30 years. Arsenal, Leicester, Middlesbrough, Southampton, Swansea, Derby and now Everton. even Millwall moved to a new ground.
So how far is too far ? Some CAFC fans wouldn't travel the 5 miles to Selhurst. Is 10 miles too far ?? Or is it just when you move out of the county ?
Arsenal moved 100 yards. Middlesbroughs ground is a reasonable walk from the station. Derbys is still in derby, Everton still play in Liverpool. I’ve never been to Leicester or Southampton’s grounds but they within the city limits. We are talking about 60 miles here
I totally agree with everyone saying it's a travesty, should never have happened, would you still support them yadda yadda yadda.
That still doesn't avoid the fact that MK Dons ARE Wimbledon. The Wimbledon that won the FA Cup and that Vinny Jones played for.
And to answer @MillwallFan.......how far is too far when moving grounds ? Look at all the new "out of town" grounds that clubs have moved to over the past 20-30 years. Arsenal, Leicester, Middlesbrough, Southampton, Swansea, Derby and now Everton. even Millwall moved to a new ground.
So how far is too far ? Some CAFC fans wouldn't travel the 5 miles to Selhurst. Is 10 miles too far ?? Or is it just when you move out of the county ?
Arsenal moved 100 yards. Middlesbroughs ground is a reasonable walk from the station. Derbys is still in derby, Everton still play in Liverpool. I’ve never been to Leicester or Southampton’s grounds but they within the city limits. We are talking about 60 miles here
Exactly.
And when we moved it was 500 yards the way the crow flies.
And before anyone mentions our first move (115 years ago now lol) that was barely a couple of miles the way the crow flies and fans would still walk from the island, through the foot tunnel, to cold blow lane to watch the team after we moved. Can walk it in half hour. Bus even quicker. We remained in the heart of the docklands, our traditional home, albeit on the other side of the drink.
I totally agree with everyone saying it's a travesty, should never have happened, would you still support them yadda yadda yadda.
That still doesn't avoid the fact that MK Dons ARE Wimbledon. The Wimbledon that won the FA Cup and that Vinny Jones played for.
And to answer @MillwallFan.......how far is too far when moving grounds ? Look at all the new "out of town" grounds that clubs have moved to over the past 20-30 years. Arsenal, Leicester, Middlesbrough, Southampton, Swansea, Derby and now Everton. even Millwall moved to a new ground.
So how far is too far ? Some CAFC fans wouldn't travel the 5 miles to Selhurst. Is 10 miles too far ?? Or is it just when you move out of the county ?
I know where you're coming from, but it's a Trigger's broom situation - so much has changed they're not the same club any more.
I'm not saying AFC Wimbledon won the FA Cup either, but they continued the spirit of the original club and have mostly the same fanbase, which for me means they're far closer to being what the original Wimbledon are than MK Dons.
I totally agree with everyone saying it's a travesty, should never have happened, would you still support them yadda yadda yadda.
That still doesn't avoid the fact that MK Dons ARE Wimbledon. The Wimbledon that won the FA Cup and that Vinny Jones played for.
And to answer @MillwallFan.......how far is too far when moving grounds ? Look at all the new "out of town" grounds that clubs have moved to over the past 20-30 years. Arsenal, Leicester, Middlesbrough, Southampton, Swansea, Derby and now Everton. even Millwall moved to a new ground.
So how far is too far ? Some CAFC fans wouldn't travel the 5 miles to Selhurst. Is 10 miles too far ?? Or is it just when you move out of the county ?
For me the fans are the club. Everything else changes over the years. The board, the chairman, the players, the ground, they all change. The one consistent is the fans. So for me afc Wimbledon is the old Wimbledon. That’s the fanbase, that’s the club. The monstrosity of a football club that is MK dons has no link to Wimbledon whatsoever. It’s just a plastic club that stole a league position from Wimbledon. That’s the only connection
I totally agree with everyone saying it's a travesty, should never have happened, would you still support them yadda yadda yadda.
That still doesn't avoid the fact that MK Dons ARE Wimbledon. The Wimbledon that won the FA Cup and that Vinny Jones played for.
And to answer @MillwallFan.......how far is too far when moving grounds ? Look at all the new "out of town" grounds that clubs have moved to over the past 20-30 years. Arsenal, Leicester, Middlesbrough, Southampton, Swansea, Derby and now Everton. even Millwall moved to a new ground.
So how far is too far ? Some CAFC fans wouldn't travel the 5 miles to Selhurst. Is 10 miles too far ?? Or is it just when you move out of the county ?
Arsenal moved 100 yards. Middlesbroughs ground is a reasonable walk from the station. Derbys is still in derby, Everton still play in Liverpool. I’ve never been to Leicester or Southampton’s grounds but they within the city limits. We are talking about 60 miles here
Exactly.
And when we moved it was 500 yards the way a Nicky Bailey penalty flies.
And before anyone mentions our first move (115 years ago now lol) that was barely a couple of miles the way the crow flies and fans would still walk from the island, through the foot tunnel, to cold blow lane to watch the team after we moved. Can walk it in half hour. Bus even quicker. We remained in the heart of the docklands, our traditional home, albeit on the other side of the drink.
Hate them both, MK for stealing a football club and AFC Wimbledon for their holier than thou attitude, that sign and their c*** disgrace of a groundsman.
I totally agree with everyone saying it's a travesty, should never have happened, would you still support them yadda yadda yadda.
That still doesn't avoid the fact that MK Dons ARE Wimbledon. The Wimbledon that won the FA Cup and that Vinny Jones played for.
And to answer @MillwallFan.......how far is too far when moving grounds ? Look at all the new "out of town" grounds that clubs have moved to over the past 20-30 years. Arsenal, Leicester, Middlesbrough, Southampton, Swansea, Derby and now Everton. even Millwall moved to a new ground.
So how far is too far ? Some CAFC fans wouldn't travel the 5 miles to Selhurst. Is 10 miles too far ?? Or is it just when you move out of the county ?
Arsenal moved 100 yards. Middlesbroughs ground is a reasonable walk from the station. Derbys is still in derby, Everton still play in Liverpool. I’ve never been to Leicester or Southampton’s grounds but they within the city limits. We are talking about 60 miles here.
I totally agree with everyone saying it's a travesty, should never have happened, would you still support them yadda yadda yadda.
That still doesn't avoid the fact that MK Dons ARE Wimbledon. The Wimbledon that won the FA Cup and that Vinny Jones played for.
And to answer @MillwallFan.......how far is too far when moving grounds ? Look at all the new "out of town" grounds that clubs have moved to over the past 20-30 years. Arsenal, Leicester, Middlesbrough, Southampton, Swansea, Derby and now Everton. even Millwall moved to a new ground.
So how far is too far ? Some CAFC fans wouldn't travel the 5 miles to Selhurst. Is 10 miles too far ?? Or is it just when you move out of the county ?
For me the fans are the club. Everything else changes over the years. The board, the chairman, the players, the ground, they all change. The one consistent is the fans. So for me afc Wimbledon is the old Wimbledon. That’s the fanbase, that’s the club. The monstrosity of a football club that is MK dons has no link to Wimbledon whatsoever. It’s just a plastic club that stole a league position from Wimbledon. That’s the only connection
They didnt steal anything. They simply moved grounds. The Wimbledon that finished one season sharing at Selhurst is the same Wimbledon that then started the next season playing in Milton Keynes. Same division, same players.
You might not like what happened but please dont try to re-write history.
I totally agree with everyone saying it's a travesty, should never have happened, would you still support them yadda yadda yadda.
That still doesn't avoid the fact that MK Dons ARE Wimbledon. The Wimbledon that won the FA Cup and that Vinny Jones played for.
And to answer @MillwallFan.......how far is too far when moving grounds ? Look at all the new "out of town" grounds that clubs have moved to over the past 20-30 years. Arsenal, Leicester, Middlesbrough, Southampton, Swansea, Derby and now Everton. even Millwall moved to a new ground.
So how far is too far ? Some CAFC fans wouldn't travel the 5 miles to Selhurst. Is 10 miles too far ?? Or is it just when you move out of the county ?
For me the fans are the club. Everything else changes over the years. The board, the chairman, the players, the ground, they all change. The one consistent is the fans. So for me afc Wimbledon is the old Wimbledon. That’s the fanbase, that’s the club. The monstrosity of a football club that is MK dons has no link to Wimbledon whatsoever. It’s just a plastic club that stole a league position from Wimbledon. That’s the only connection
They didnt steal anything. They simply moved grounds. The Wimbledon that finished one season sharing at Selhurst is the same Wimbledon that then started the next season playing in Milton Keynes. Same division, same players.
You might not like what happened but please dont try to re-write history.
Same players? for a few seasons maybe. It ended there.
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Made up place with a made up team.
The only thing I like in MK is the bowl.
But for the record......and nobody will ever change my mind on this.....MK Dons are Wimbledon. That being the Wimbledon that won the FA Cup in 1988. It's called history and you cant change it.
Henry Norris was a wrong ‘un.
If you were a billionaire who wanted a to bring league football to hick town nowheresvile, it would surely be more enjoyable to fund a Salford up the leagues then to take a short cut.🤷🏻♂️ The local non-league club MK Town went out of business as well.
I believe that other leagues and fans envy the money made in English football but not the pyramid system itself. The systems are quite similar everywhere, aren’t they?
I know how it works in France and it isn’t all that different. Most differences, like regionalising the country into smaller areas from the fourth division down, are simply due to the larger size of the country and therefore extra travelling.
If they wanted to make it into exactly the same system as in England they could but it doesn’t make sense. Or do you think that they envy having a smaller country?
I'd like to think I'd stick with the club starting all the way from the bottom again.
"Milton-Keyne Addick FC"
The name alone is a loss of identity and a soul destroyer.
The worst part would be the split of the fanbase and people turning against each other.
I wouldn't wish that on any club to be honest. Even palace etc.
That still doesn't avoid the fact that MK Dons ARE Wimbledon. The Wimbledon that won the FA Cup and that Vinny Jones played for.
And to answer @MillwallFan.......how far is too far when moving grounds ? Look at all the new "out of town" grounds that clubs have moved to over the past 20-30 years. Arsenal, Leicester, Middlesbrough, Southampton, Swansea, Derby and now Everton. even Millwall moved to a new ground.
So how far is too far ? Some CAFC fans wouldn't travel the 5 miles to Selhurst. Is 10 miles too far ?? Or is it just when you move out of the county ?
I'm not saying AFC Wimbledon won the FA Cup either, but they continued the spirit of the original club and have mostly the same fanbase, which for me means they're far closer to being what the original Wimbledon are than MK Dons.
You might not like what happened but please dont try to re-write history.