Remember when Roland asked the EFL to take the club off his hands? The issue is what happens then? The body in charge of creating a fair competition then owns a team in the competition. It gets very murky. And given how badly run the EFL seem to be, what makes anyone think they'd actually do a better job?
Hard to disagree with what Martin Samuel says below. I get why it's done, but it feels like the authorities spend so much time looking at ways to restrict clubs when they have owners willing to spend (City, Newcastle, Villa, Forest etc) but they do very little when it goes the other way.
I don't know enough about murky business dealings to know, but isn't there a risk that the possibility of compulsory EFL takers would open the door wider to chancers like Southall, Farnell, et al? At the moment the scam seems to be, sell all the assets off, run up huge debts, trouser the money, find a mug punter to take the club off your hands and get out of Dodge. The tricky bit would be done for them if EFL took over and they didn't even have to find a buyer.
In other news, any truth in the rumour that Chansiri has gone on a long wild camping trip with a companion suffering from a rather doubtful illness?
All the time football is a business venture the clubs / businesses must be treated just the same as any other business. There are already sanctions for clubs that break the rules or run into financial difficulties. That’s enough regulation. Where the problem is though is that The EFL are slow to react and seem to be inconsistent in their punishments. Until there is a body fit for purpose overseeing the clubs we’re going to see this time and time again. Wednesday and Hull will not be the last. Probably not the last this coming season.
It’s the fans that suffer over this mess, and I won’t have it that Wednesday fans are arseholes the lot of them.
Grow up those that want their fans to suffer. A mate of mine who recently died of cancer leaving a son and wife behind was a life long Wednesday fan.
A gentleman was he and it’s a small mercy that he’s not here to witness their predicament. Let’s give em a sound beating on the pitch (Kenneth arches his eyebrow) but don’t wish ill on the fans.
Remember when Roland asked the EFL to take the club off his hands? The issue is what happens then? The body in charge of creating a fair competition then owns a team in the competition. It gets very murky. And given how badly run the EFL seem to be, what makes anyone think they'd actually do a better job?
Shows how deluded RD was. Total nut job
Amazingly there are and have been bigger nut jobs than Roland . Southall being a prime example . A con man of the highest order .
It’s the fans that suffer over this mess, and I won’t have it that Wednesday fans are arseholes the lot of them.
Grow up those that want their fans to suffer. A mate of mine who recently died of cancer leaving a son and wife behind was a life long Wednesday fan.
A gentleman was he and it’s a small mercy that he’s not here to witness their predicament. Let’s give em a sound beating on the pitch (Kenneth arches his eyebrow) but don’t wish ill on the fans.
Well said.
Some posters come across as thin skinned and resentful at times. It's not as if we never laugh at other clubs misfortunes, otherwise we wouldn't have fans wishing ill of them. No doubt some will say that they (probably a loud minority of their fans) were nasty to us first, as if to justify hoping they fail, but I see that as a childish argument, not one I'll ever subscribe to.
And we of all fan bases know you shouldn't blame fans for the actions of their owners. Every club has good and bad fans, even us, so I hope they survive, with a thirty point deduction to kick off the season 😂
Remember when Roland asked the EFL to take the club off his hands? The issue is what happens then? The body in charge of creating a fair competition then owns a team in the competition. It gets very murky. And given how badly run the EFL seem to be, what makes anyone think they'd actually do a better job?
In that situation (can't see it ever happening though) the EFL could task an independent insolvency practitioner to oversee the running of the club and prepare it for sale.
It’s the fans that suffer over this mess, and I won’t have it that Wednesday fans are arseholes the lot of them.
Grow up those that want their fans to suffer. A mate of mine who recently died of cancer leaving a son and wife behind was a life long Wednesday fan.
A gentleman was he and it’s a small mercy that he’s not here to witness their predicament. Let’s give em a sound beating on the pitch (Kenneth arches his eyebrow) but don’t wish ill on the fans.
Well said.
Some posters come across as thin skinned and resentful at times. It's not as if we never laugh at other clubs misfortunes, otherwise we wouldn't have fans wishing ill of them. No doubt some will say that they (probably a loud minority of their fans) were nasty to us first, as if to justify hoping they fail, but I see that as a childish argument, not one I'll ever subscribe to.
And we of all fan bases know you shouldn't blame fans for the actions of their owners. Every club has good and bad fans, even us, so I hope they survive, with a thirty point deduction to kick off the season 😂
Well said. I live and work in Sheffield and 99% of Sheff Wed fans are good people who through no fault of their own have ended up with a deluded owner who seems intent on destroying the club by trying to recoup money he has thrown away over the last few years.
The figures being banded about are fanciful at best and it is absolutely obvious he will get nowhere near what he is asking, but will still cause untold damage to the club until he finally comes to that realisation and sells up. I have lots of sympathy with all the people affected by the unpaid wages including the players, but many of those not getting paid will be non playing staff on very modest salaries who like many live payday to payday. You’d assume many of the players will find other clubs but it will not be as easy for many of the non playing staff.
There are of course some differences but it is not entirely dissimilar to the situation we found ourselves in a few years ago. Every fanbase, ours included, has a small percentage of idiots but the vast majority of football fans are decent people who shouldn’t have to worry about their club potentially not existing in a few months time.
It’s not just Sheff Wed but lots of others as well and football really needs a fundamental reset. People far cleverer than me will need to come up with some solutions but I have felt for many years that the wages being paid out nowadays are absolutely eye watering and surely unsustainable. It is not uncommon to hear of clubs with wage bills totalling more than 100% of their turnover which almost no other business would even contemplate yet alone be able to sustain for any period of time.
In France clubs have to submit budgets and prove they can fund them every year.
Fail to do so and you're relegated.
Lyon have been relegated this summer but have appealed.
EFL unlikely to do this because it would have to be voted in by the owners who run the EFL.
They mostly was less scrutiny, not more, and aren't going to agree to stronger punishments if things go wrong.
EFL also lack the resources and ability to audit 72 sets of accounts every year.
They do something similar in Wales, although the clubs there of course are much smaller. There are regularly cases of clubs being threatened with losing their licence for the division they're in and getting relegated if they don't have their finances sorted by a specific deadline. They also have to meet tests like proving they have enough medical staff, that their coaches have the right qualifications etc.
In England I think pretty much they only thing a club has to prove is that their ground meets the standard for capacity and that they have either the freehold or a long enough lease over it. I think asking owners to demonstrate that they have the funds to complete the season would help a lot. It's not infallible - if a sponsor goes bust part way through the season a club may still suddenly have less money than they thought. But it would surely have to help.
It’s the fans that suffer over this mess, and I won’t have it that Wednesday fans are arseholes the lot of them.
Grow up those that want their fans to suffer. A mate of mine who recently died of cancer leaving a son and wife behind was a life long Wednesday fan.
A gentleman was he and it’s a small mercy that he’s not here to witness their predicament. Let’s give em a sound beating on the pitch (Kenneth arches his eyebrow) but don’t wish ill on the fans.
Well said.
Some posters come across as thin skinned and resentful at times. It's not as if we never laugh at other clubs misfortunes, otherwise we wouldn't have fans wishing ill of them. No doubt some will say that they (probably a loud minority of their fans) were nasty to us first, as if to justify hoping they fail, but I see that as a childish argument, not one I'll ever subscribe to.
And we of all fan bases know you shouldn't blame fans for the actions of their owners. Every club has good and bad fans, even us, so I hope they survive, with a thirty point deduction to kick off the season 😂
Well said. I live and work in Sheffield and 99% of Sheff Wed fans are good people who through no fault of their own have ended up with a deluded owner who seems intent on destroying the club by trying to recoup money he has thrown away over the last few years.
The figures being banded about are fanciful at best and it is absolutely obvious he will get nowhere near what he is asking, but will still cause untold damage to the club until he finally comes to that realisation and sells up. I have lots of sympathy with all the people affected by the unpaid wages including the players, but many of those not getting paid will be non playing staff on very modest salaries who like many live payday to payday. You’d assume many of the players will find other clubs but it will not be as easy for many of the non playing staff.
There are of course some differences but it is not entirely dissimilar to the situation we found ourselves in a few years ago. Every fanbase, ours included, has a small percentage of idiots but the vast majority of football fans are decent people who shouldn’t have to worry about their club potentially not existing in a few months time.
It’s not just Sheff Wed but lots of others as well and football really needs a fundamental reset. People far cleverer than me will need to come up with some solutions but I have felt for many years that the wages being paid out nowadays are absolutely eye watering and surely unsustainable. It is not uncommon to hear of clubs with wage bills totalling more than 100% of their turnover which almost no other business would even contemplate yet alone be able to sustain for any period of time.
A few years ago when Forest got promoted their wage bill was almost 200% of their turnover. A quite ridiculous number and we don't hear about it because luckily things worked out for them, but i wonder how things would've gone had they not been promoted that year.
It’s the fans that suffer over this mess, and I won’t have it that Wednesday fans are arseholes the lot of them.
Grow up those that want their fans to suffer. A mate of mine who recently died of cancer leaving a son and wife behind was a life long Wednesday fan.
A gentleman was he and it’s a small mercy that he’s not here to witness their predicament. Let’s give em a sound beating on the pitch (Kenneth arches his eyebrow) but don’t wish ill on the fans.
Well said.
Some posters come across as thin skinned and resentful at times. It's not as if we never laugh at other clubs misfortunes, otherwise we wouldn't have fans wishing ill of them. No doubt some will say that they (probably a loud minority of their fans) were nasty to us first, as if to justify hoping they fail, but I see that as a childish argument, not one I'll ever subscribe to.
And we of all fan bases know you shouldn't blame fans for the actions of their owners. Every club has good and bad fans, even us, so I hope they survive, with a thirty point deduction to kick off the season 😂
Well said. I live and work in Sheffield and 99% of Sheff Wed fans are good people who through no fault of their own have ended up with a deluded owner who seems intent on destroying the club by trying to recoup money he has thrown away over the last few years.
The figures being banded about are fanciful at best and it is absolutely obvious he will get nowhere near what he is asking, but will still cause untold damage to the club until he finally comes to that realisation and sells up. I have lots of sympathy with all the people affected by the unpaid wages including the players, but many of those not getting paid will be non playing staff on very modest salaries who like many live payday to payday. You’d assume many of the players will find other clubs but it will not be as easy for many of the non playing staff.
There are of course some differences but it is not entirely dissimilar to the situation we found ourselves in a few years ago. Every fanbase, ours included, has a small percentage of idiots but the vast majority of football fans are decent people who shouldn’t have to worry about their club potentially not existing in a few months time.
It’s not just Sheff Wed but lots of others as well and football really needs a fundamental reset. People far cleverer than me will need to come up with some solutions but I have felt for many years that the wages being paid out nowadays are absolutely eye watering and surely unsustainable. It is not uncommon to hear of clubs with wage bills totalling more than 100% of their turnover which almost no other business would even contemplate yet alone be able to sustain for any period of time.
A few years ago when Forest got promoted their wage bill was almost 200% of their turnover. A quite ridiculous number and we don't hear about it because luckily things worked out for them, but i wonder how things would've gone had they not been promoted that year.
Wasn’t that because Andy Scott signed 473 players in one transfer window? 🤷🏻♂️
It’s the fans that suffer over this mess, and I won’t have it that Wednesday fans are arseholes the lot of them.
Grow up those that want their fans to suffer. A mate of mine who recently died of cancer leaving a son and wife behind was a life long Wednesday fan.
A gentleman was he and it’s a small mercy that he’s not here to witness their predicament. Let’s give em a sound beating on the pitch (Kenneth arches his eyebrow) but don’t wish ill on the fans.
Well said.
Some posters come across as thin skinned and resentful at times. It's not as if we never laugh at other clubs misfortunes, otherwise we wouldn't have fans wishing ill of them. No doubt some will say that they (probably a loud minority of their fans) were nasty to us first, as if to justify hoping they fail, but I see that as a childish argument, not one I'll ever subscribe to.
And we of all fan bases know you shouldn't blame fans for the actions of their owners. Every club has good and bad fans, even us, so I hope they survive, with a thirty point deduction to kick off the season 😂
One of our happiest days as Charlton fans was sending Palace down in 2005. A wonderful memory laughing at another club's misfortune, as that's how football works. I want Wednesday and Hull to finish below us, but then to regroup and come back. Wednesday can piss L1 in 26/27, as long as we're not in it
In this instance Wednesday aren't in trouble because they've tried to buy the league with big signings and wages, I suspect their losses are actually lower than many other Championship clubs, as they are a big club, with good gates. All clubs are losing money, that's the farce of modern football, especially the Championship.
the other season, when Palace played Forest, there was only one player who [played in the fixture the previous season and that was Henderson the Palace goalie. And he played for Forest in the previous game !
Football is all about rivalries. Some clubs I like and others I dislike. That's come about by supporting Charlton home and away for 60 years. If you try and remove any feelings you have for other clubs and their supporters it would be a very bland and passion less way of supporting your chosen club.
"oh don't feel bad for them, most of them are good eggs blah blah blah"
Fuck em, you break the rules you deserve to go down, if their fans hated Chansiri that much they would have boycotted games and not celebrated promotion a few years ago.
What goes around comes around and I fervently hope they are the lowest ranked Yorkshire side in the league soon
I think it's perfectly possible to hold feelings towards a particular club, but not their fans. The words 'they', 'them' and 'their' seem to trip off the tongue as if everyone involved with a club has exactly the same motives and behaves in exactly the same way. But that's just not true.
"oh don't feel bad for them, most of them are good eggs blah blah blah"
Fuck em, you break the rules you deserve to go down, if their fans hated Chansiri that much they would have boycotted games and not celebrated promotion a few years ago.
What goes around comes around and I fervently hope they are the lowest ranked Yorkshire side in the league soon
Get real! Name me which club, any club, that you know of that hasn't celebrated a promotion on principal. You can't hold that against them. And by the way, seeing as you obviously aren't aware, numbers of their fans have been boycotting games, and doing the not spending money thing, although coming from Yorkshire I expect that comes naturally 😂 I often tell my Wednesday supporting mate that if he wants them to survive, it would help if he bought a new shirt more often than once every twenty years.
Remember when Roland asked the EFL to take the club off his hands? The issue is what happens then? The body in charge of creating a fair competition then owns a team in the competition. It gets very murky. And given how badly run the EFL seem to be, what makes anyone think they'd actually do a better job?
Shows how deluded RD was. Total nut job
Amazingly there are and have been bigger nut jobs than Roland . Southall being a prime example . A con man of the highest order .
That dentist was even more dangerous, pull one's mouth and the club apart
I'm assuming the Charlton fans who are positive about Sheff W fans haven't been to many Charlton v Sheff W games. I've got a feeling that one doesn't live in the UK and the another said a while ago that they haven't attended a Charlton game for donkey's years (apologies if I'm wrong).
They've given Charlton fans plenty of trouble over the years going back to the mid 70's when they took The Covered End and more recently (as in maybe 10 years ago) attacking us as we exited Hillsborough.
I'm assuming the Charlton fans who are positive about Sheff W fans haven't been to many Charlton v Sheff W games. I've got a feeling that one doesn't live in the UK and the another said a while ago that they haven't attended a Charlton game for donkey's years (apologies if I'm wrong).
They've given Charlton fans plenty of trouble over the years going back to the mid 70's when they took The Covered End and more recently (as in maybe 10 years ago) attacking us as we exited Hillsborough.
You're not wrong about me not seeing us play for many years now, but I was at Wembley in May and in 2019. I've seen us play Wednesday a number of times in years gone by though, and I'm racking my brains to think of anything that stood out, other than that they were well supported and noisy. Mid seventies about the time I started going, but I wasn't a regular until late seventies.
I've a feeling I went with my mate and sat in with the Wednesday to watch a game a few years back too. No idea who the opposition were. It was a horrid day and I've no recollection of the match. A right miserable bunch of moaners around us all I remember, which amused him as much as it did me tbh. I'm waiting for him to get back to me to confirm the details.
Come on guys, can't we even agree that teams don't have universally loathsome fans? The narrative on here about Orient fans thinking us to be 'vile' was based on how many posts exactly? Enough for it to be deemed a commonly held view, or wasn't it just an outlying exceptional one?
Yes we can agree that teams don't have universally loathsome fans, as long as some are aware that they have been lucky enough to not meet their loathsome fans.
NB it was one orient fan, that said we were vile and that has continued as a running joke. I don't think anyone reasonably intelligent (not referring to you) took that seriously.
I'm assuming the Charlton fans who are positive about Sheff W fans haven't been to many Charlton v Sheff W games. I've got a feeling that one doesn't live in the UK and the another said a while ago that they haven't attended a Charlton game for donkey's years (apologies if I'm wrong).
They've given Charlton fans plenty of trouble over the years going back to the mid 70's when they took The Covered End and more recently (as in maybe 10 years ago) attacking us as we exited Hillsborough.
I accept your apology mate
Although I do seem to recall Charlton took it to Wednesday at their place in the FA Cup game in 2006.
I don't want any club to be forced to go out of business. But, if it took one club going out of business to get the rest of them to put their acts in order, Sheffield Wednesday wouldn't be a bad choice...
Yes we can agree that teams don't have universally loathsome fans, as long as some are aware that they have been lucky enough to not meet their loathsome fans.
NB it was one orient fan, that said we were vile and that has continued as a running joke. I don't think anyone reasonably intelligent (not referring to you) took that seriously.
So I'm thick but not vile. That's something I suppose. 😉
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In other news, any truth in the rumour that Chansiri has gone on a long wild camping trip with a companion suffering from a rather doubtful illness?
Fail to do so and you're relegated.
Lyon have been relegated this summer but have appealed.
EFL unlikely to do this because it would have to be voted in by the owners who run the EFL.
They mostly was less scrutiny, not more, and aren't going to agree to stronger punishments if things go wrong.
EFL also lack the resources and ability to audit 72 sets of accounts every year.
Some posters come across as thin skinned and resentful at times. It's not as if we never laugh at other clubs misfortunes, otherwise we wouldn't have fans wishing ill of them. No doubt some will say that they (probably a loud minority of their fans) were nasty to us first, as if to justify hoping they fail, but I see that as a childish argument, not one I'll ever subscribe to.
And we of all fan bases know you shouldn't blame fans for the actions of their owners. Every club has good and bad fans, even us, so I hope they survive, with a thirty point deduction to kick off the season 😂
In that situation (can't see it ever happening though) the EFL could task an independent insolvency practitioner to oversee the running of the club and prepare it for sale.
There are of course some differences but it is not entirely dissimilar to the situation we found ourselves in a few years ago. Every fanbase, ours included, has a small percentage of idiots but the vast majority of football fans are decent people who shouldn’t have to worry about their club potentially not existing in a few months time.
It’s not just Sheff Wed but lots of others as well and football really needs a fundamental reset. People far cleverer than me will need to come up with some solutions but I have felt for many years that the wages being paid out nowadays are absolutely eye watering and surely unsustainable. It is not uncommon to hear of clubs with wage bills totalling more than 100% of their turnover which almost no other business would even contemplate yet alone be able to sustain for any period of time.
In England I think pretty much they only thing a club has to prove is that their ground meets the standard for capacity and that they have either the freehold or a long enough lease over it. I think asking owners to demonstrate that they have the funds to complete the season would help a lot. It's not infallible - if a sponsor goes bust part way through the season a club may still suddenly have less money than they thought. But it would surely have to help.
In this instance Wednesday aren't in trouble because they've tried to buy the league with big signings and wages, I suspect their losses are actually lower than many other Championship clubs, as they are a big club, with good gates. All clubs are losing money, that's the farce of modern football, especially the Championship.
Some clubs I like and others I dislike.
That's come about by supporting Charlton home and away for 60 years.
If you try and remove any feelings you have for other clubs and their supporters it would be a very bland and passion less way of supporting your chosen club.
Fuck em, you break the rules you deserve to go down, if their fans hated Chansiri that much they would have boycotted games and not celebrated promotion a few years ago.
What goes around comes around and I fervently hope they are the lowest ranked Yorkshire side in the league soon
That dentist was even more dangerous, pull one's mouth and the club apart
Good for you on a matter of principle, if it was. I had stopped going but was not going to give up on a day out at Wembley.
I've got a feeling that one doesn't live in the UK and the another said a while ago that they haven't attended a Charlton game for donkey's years (apologies if I'm wrong).
They've given Charlton fans plenty of trouble over the years going back to the mid 70's when they took The Covered End and more recently (as in maybe 10 years ago) attacking us as we exited Hillsborough.
I've a feeling I went with my mate and sat in with the Wednesday to watch a game a few years back too. No idea who the opposition were. It was a horrid day and I've no recollection of the match. A right miserable bunch of moaners around us all I remember, which amused him as much as it did me tbh. I'm waiting for him to get back to me to confirm the details.
Come on guys, can't we even agree that teams don't have universally loathsome fans? The narrative on here about Orient fans thinking us to be 'vile' was based on how many posts exactly? Enough for it to be deemed a commonly held view, or wasn't it just an outlying exceptional one?
NB it was one orient fan, that said we were vile and that has continued as a running joke.
I don't think anyone reasonably intelligent (not referring to you) took that seriously.