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POLL: Have you watched the Welcome to Wrexham Documentary Series?

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  • edited October 2024
    So 70% from a group of L1 football fans never watching a single episode confirms to me the huge ramp up in our attendance yesterday was much wider than just the ‘Wrexham’ impact 
    So what else are you putting it down to? 

    (Í’ve started watching it, btw🤣)
    I think there were a few factors. The Wrexham thing undoubtedly was a big draw - the number of Americans there and the fact that our marketing team hammered that message over the weeks before confirms that for me. In addition, there was only one other match in London at 3pm on Saturday which was a sold out game at a tiny stadium (Brentford). I think lots of the ground hoppers, of which I met a few, were more there because they had no alternative fixture rather than to see Wrexham specifically. So in short I think the increased attendances was down to a few things:

    1. the “Wrexham” effect bringing in people who love the documentary/have jumped on the bandwagon

    2. Regular, but non-season ticket holding Charlton fans, prioritising this match because it’s one of the bigger games this season (we don’t have any derby matches so Wrexham, Birmingham etc are probably the more “glamorous” fixtures that you’ll come to if you’re only coming to a handful of matches 

    3. Lapsed Charlton fans who were attracted back for a “big” match (similar to the above the group)

    4. Ground hoppers visiting London for the weekend with no alternative but to watch us at 3pm 

    What % of the increase goes to each group is impossible to determine, but I think combined this is what gave us the bumper attendance on Saturday. I don’t think anything like these numbers will be achievable again this season because most of the factors won’t be present for any other fixture unless we are talking about a “win and we’re up/in the playoffs” type scenario. 
  • @paulsturgess again I think you are right on the money. Re your last para., it certainly occurred to me last night that their approach suits a town club. Rob talked convincingly about his NFL (?) club in Philly being a symbol of the community, just as we say about our clubs. And going back to 1990 we found that a bit of a stumbling block as a sell for the Valley Party campaign, because places like Eltham were already full of kids wearing Arsenal or Spurs shirts.

    On the other hand though...I'm wondering about the Wrexham catchment area. The actual town isn't big. They are talking about building a new stand, but I can't see them getting much beyond 15k in the Championship if they get back there. And then when they just find themselves in mid-table (they might still, this season) how do you grow that fanbase further? London on the other hand has only carried on sucking people in, and now at last the SE corner has received some attention re housing and infra. So longer term I still think our location has more potential. 
    Possibly but I think clubs like Sunderland, Pompey, derby, even Plymouth, reading, Bournemouth, Oxford are arguably more appealing to a lot of investors where they have very large populations that they can reasonably hope to dominate the football landscape and culture of the area. You can build 100,000 flats on the peninsula but even in the impossible dream that we were back in 2004 in the premier league, many more of those people would support Arsenal or Tottenham or even possibly West Ham than Charlton. 

    I reckon probability wise even if a kid is born in the QE into a house on Charlton church lane, we are still only the 3rd most likely team for them to end up supporting. 
  • se9addick said:
    So 70% from a group of L1 football fans never watching a single episode confirms to me the huge ramp up in our attendance yesterday was much wider than just the ‘Wrexham’ impact 
    So what else are you putting it down to? 

    (Í’ve started watching it, btw🤣)
    I think there were a few factors. The Wrexham thing undoubtedly was a big draw - the number of Americans there and the fact that our marketing team hammered that message over the weeks before confirms that for me. In addition, there was only one other match in London at 3pm on Saturday which was a sold out game at a tiny stadium (Brentford). I think lots of the ground hoppers, of which I met a few, were more there because they had no alternative fixture rather than to see Wrexham specifically. So in short I think the increased attendances was down to a few things:

    1. the “Wrexham” effect bringing in people who love the documentary/have jumped on the bandwagon

    2. Regular, but non-season ticket holding Charlton fans, prioritising this match because it’s one of the bigger games this season (we don’t have any derby matches so Wrexham, Birmingham etc are probably the more “glamorous” fixtures that you’ll come to if you’re only coming to a handful of matches 

    3. Lapsed Charlton fans who were attracted back for a “big” match (similar to the above the group)

    4. Ground hoppers visiting London for the weekend with no alternative but to watch us at 3pm 

    What % of the increase goes to each group is impossible to determine, but I think combined this is what gave us the bumper attendance on Saturday. I don’t think anything like these numbers will be achievable again this season because most of the factors won’t be present for any other fixture unless we are talking about a “win and we’re up/in the playoffs” type scenario. 

    my Valley Express coach was busier than usual so that I believe backs up point 2, people I recognised but whom come infreqently.
  • se9addick said:
    So 70% from a group of L1 football fans never watching a single episode confirms to me the huge ramp up in our attendance yesterday was much wider than just the ‘Wrexham’ impact 
    So what else are you putting it down to? 

    (Í’ve started watching it, btw🤣)
    I think there were a few factors. The Wrexham thing undoubtedly was a big draw - the number of Americans there and the fact that our marketing team hammered that message over the weeks before confirms that for me. In addition, there was only one other match in London at 3pm on Saturday which was a sold out game at a tiny stadium (Brentford). I think lots of the ground hoppers, of which I met a few, were more there because they had no alternative fixture rather than to see Wrexham specifically. So in short I think the increased attendances was down to a few things:

    1. the “Wrexham” effect bringing in people who love the documentary/have jumped on the bandwagon

    2. Regular, but non-season ticket holding Charlton fans, prioritising this match because it’s one of the bigger games this season (we don’t have any derby matches so Wrexham, Birmingham etc are probably the more “glamorous” fixtures that you’ll come to if you’re only coming to a handful of matches 

    3. Lapsed Charlton fans who were attracted back for a “big” match (similar to the above the group)

    4. Ground hoppers visiting London for the weekend with no alternative but to watch us at 3pm 

    What % of the increase goes to each group is impossible to determine, but I think combined this is what gave us the bumper attendance on Saturday. I don’t think anything like these numbers will be achievable again this season because most of the factors won’t be present for any other fixture unless we are talking about a “win and we’re up/in the playoffs” type scenario. 

    my Valley Express coach was busier than usual so that I believe backs up point 2, people I recognised but whom come infreqently.
    Do you know if they put on extra Valley Express coaches for this match? 
  • Just finished season 2 with my missus.

    Can't believe we've got 180 more sleeps until we visit the Racecourse.
  • Watched it. Loved it 
  • I've watched all three series along with Sunderland Till I die and a few other of these football docu series.  The first thing to remember is that it is not aimed at English football fans but Americans who only know soccer as some weird game where the players don't pick up the ball, so there is a lot of basic explanation going on, which is done simplistically and with some humour.

    As said before the insight into players lives such as Mullins having a special needs child, the joy of a players partner getting pregnant and then losing the baby makes them more human, also the focus on some of the fans and they are not all squeaky clean.

    It has led me to watch on You Tube Rugby explained to American Football fans and Cricket explained to Baseball fans great watches.

    Its different from other docus and that makes it watchable. Finally, its a vehicle to get exposure for Wrexham and along with the personalities it brings in revenue, which keeps the wheels turning and consecutive promotions.

    Ps Was a big fan of Parky when he was here and met him twice at Bromley Addicks, but what a potty mouth!!!
  • I started watching it last night, curiosity was piqued after the interest in last weekend's game. Definitely does a good job at showing what supporting a team in the lower reaches of the pyramid is all about - saw the real life positive impact of that when some American colleagues visiting London jumped at the chance to come and watch Charlton last season because of it.

    Just at the stage where some fans are calling for Parkinson to be sacked about 12 games into his first season because things haven't clicked yet, felt vaguely familiar...
  • Phil Parkinson has explained how the ‘Welcome to Wrexham’ documentary, Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney help him to get transfer deals over the line.
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  • Never seen it, never will (unless paid to do so)   :) 
  • Phil Parkinson has explained how the ‘Welcome to Wrexham’ documentary, Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney help him to get transfer deals over the line.
    I'm guessing they paid ? 
  • Just finished the latest season, still hard to watch that battering at Wrexham, scored some good goals though.
  • No interest from me. Not jealous or anything. Just can’t be bothered. It’s all American hype anyway. 
  • Kap10 said:
    I've watched all three series along with Sunderland Till I die and a few other of these football docu series.  The first thing to remember is that it is not aimed at English football fans but Americans who only know soccer as some weird game where the players don't pick up the ball, so there is a lot of basic explanation going on, which is done simplistically and with some humour.

    As said before the insight into players lives such as Mullins having a special needs child, the joy of a players partner getting pregnant and then losing the baby makes them more human, also the focus on some of the fans and they are not all squeaky clean.

    It has led me to watch on You Tube Rugby explained to American Football fans and Cricket explained to Baseball fans great watches.

    Its different from other docus and that makes it watchable. Finally, its a vehicle to get exposure for Wrexham and along with the personalities it brings in revenue, which keeps the wheels turning and consecutive promotions.

    Ps Was a big fan of Parky when he was here and met him twice at Bromley Addicks, but what a potty mouth!!!

    Just imagine what he must have been like when the players came off the pitch after the defeat against Northwich Victoria!
  • Never seen it.  But did watch The Manageress and Golden Gordon of ripping yarns fame.  Still have a soft spot for the 1935 Barnestoneworth United lads.
  • Rob said:
    No interest from me. Not jealous or anything. Just can’t be bothered. It’s all American hype anyway. 
    No it’s not, it’s actually full of storylines covering local businesses, lifelong supporters of Wrexham and the personal lives of players 
    Exactly

    It's almost as if it's as much about Charlton, and any other club,  as it is Wrexham 
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  • Really enjoyed it up the current season, definitely feels like they are running out of ideas how to make it engaging.. feels a bit like I'm watching someone play Football manager with the edit function turned. The episodes where it's all football I find a bit boring, the social stuff was great viewing. 
  • shine166 said:
    Really enjoyed it up the current season, definitely feels like they are running out of ideas how to make it engaging.. feels a bit like I'm watching someone play Football manager with the edit function turned. The episodes where it's all football I find a bit boring, the social stuff was great viewing. 
    The episode where the fan had a cardiac arrest at Wycombe away, was really touching. I can remember the game being delayed as I checked the score during the game, there was about 15 minutes left, at the end of our game, they was still 15 minutes to go. 
  • Watched it all, and really enjoyed it, though I get the comments about it being a bit repetitive.

    Season 5 will be more interesting if Wrexham struggle in the Championship.
  • Rob said:
    No interest from me. Not jealous or anything. Just can’t be bothered. It’s all American hype anyway. 
    No it’s not, it’s actually full of storylines covering local businesses, lifelong supporters of Wrexham and the personal lives of players 
    I get that. But, the underlying thing is that it’s American hype.
  • RoanRedNY said:
    Never seen it.  But did watch The Manageress and Golden Gordon of ripping yarns fame.  Still have a soft spot for the 1935 Barnestoneworth United lads.
    I had a not so soft spot for Cheri Lungi
  • Watched the bit with the young lad with cancer and immediately text the missus to give my boy a hug and tell him his dad loves him.  Horrendous what some people go through.

    Great series albeit i'm less enthusiastic for their success now they're in our league and league rivals! 

    Was on the train with the pub landlord on way back to london bridge and he was chatting to my boy and laughed when i told my son he was talking to a famous celebrity.  

    Looking forward to the next series and good luck to them except against us.
  • Rob said:
    Rob said:
    No interest from me. Not jealous or anything. Just can’t be bothered. It’s all American hype anyway. 
    No it’s not, it’s actually full of storylines covering local businesses, lifelong supporters of Wrexham and the personal lives of players 
    I get that. But, the underlying thing is that it’s American hype.
    I say again, it really isn’t and as you state you have not watched it I can’t see how you can comment 
  • I'd watch a "Wrexham flattened by a bulldozer" documentary series...
  • Watched it all, and really enjoyed it, though I get the comments about it being a bit repetitive.

    Season 5 will be more interesting if Wrexham struggle in the Championship.
    As will real life
  • edited July 22
    Watched the fourth series over the weekend.

    I'd seen the previous three series - decent show tbf, well crafted around the fans etc as much as the team - but it was interesting going in knowing a bit more about how the season developed.

    Thought the fact they won it in that game against us (and after Orient beat Wycombe) meant they could really plug the 'it's us or Wycombe' narrative for the whole series when that wasn't quite the case in the run-in when us and Stockport could potentially have caught them both.

    Did find the narrative around Palmer and Mullin a bit drawn out - a lot of talk about 'being out of form' and similar rather than just admitting they're good NL/L2 players and not good enough for L1 - there was an interesting angle to be raised on the quick promotions and chucking money around meaning the club outgrows players quickly despite them doing a good job, but they only briefly touched on it, probably to avoid not being "feel good".

    Shame Dobbo literally didn't say a word all series too, think they showed one goal he scored and two tackles!
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