Football arrests 'highest in years' & disorder on the rise - police

Exiled_Addick said:

Social inequality and disenfranchisement probably at their highest since the 80s, the rise of incels, far right politics moving increasingly into the mainstream, all likely factors.

There’s plenty of angry young men out there looking for an outlet. cocaine is affordable, and the peak of hooliganism is now long enough ago for some to see it as nostalgic. Football violence and disorder has always been a symptom of wider societal issues, not an isolated problem. 

Henry Irving said:

Baldybonce said:

DA9 said:

YTS1978 said:

Baldybonce said:

blackpool72 said:

DA9 said:

There is a vast difference between a football hooligan and a barmy, I know plenty of barmys who take gear and drink to excess at football but would never get involved in hooliganism. AFKA is right, the figures are skewed by labelling all football arrests as hooliganism.
I had fights at football because I wanted to and enjoyed it, my father loved me enough, I wasn't in poverty, neither of my parents were alcoholics or unemployed (neither was I), I wasn't abused as a child either. I have first hand experience of how the press and courts skew things and lie and sensationalise things regards this subject as well, and I am no way trying to play down or defend my actions in the past.

Trying to explain what hooliganism was all about in the late 60s through to the early 80s is nigh on impossible. 
If like you and me we grew up in that era we fully understand what it meant. 
But trying to explain to people who never experienced it is very difficult. 

I'd like to write a book 'Growing up in the Covered End, 1968-1985.
A lot of folks here would be shocked at what attending unsegregated games was like.

You should do it!

Goonerhater formerly of this parish always said I should write one 

When we get our advance from the museum i'll do 60's and 70's you do up to present day

£20 

Baldybonce said:

Henry Irving said:

Baldybonce said:

DA9 said:

YTS1978 said:

Baldybonce said:

blackpool72 said:

DA9 said:

There is a vast difference between a football hooligan and a barmy, I know plenty of barmys who take gear and drink to excess at football but would never get involved in hooliganism. AFKA is right, the figures are skewed by labelling all football arrests as hooliganism.
I had fights at football because I wanted to and enjoyed it, my father loved me enough, I wasn't in poverty, neither of my parents were alcoholics or unemployed (neither was I), I wasn't abused as a child either. I have first hand experience of how the press and courts skew things and lie and sensationalise things regards this subject as well, and I am no way trying to play down or defend my actions in the past.

Trying to explain what hooliganism was all about in the late 60s through to the early 80s is nigh on impossible. 
If like you and me we grew up in that era we fully understand what it meant. 
But trying to explain to people who never experienced it is very difficult. 

I'd like to write a book 'Growing up in the Covered End, 1968-1985.
A lot of folks here would be shocked at what attending unsegregated games was like.

You should do it!

Goonerhater formerly of this parish always said I should write one 

When we get our advance from the museum i'll do 60's and 70's you do up to present day

£20 

See you next friday.

Off_it said:

Old Bill looking for increased funding = football arrest statistics go up.

Just like the fucking utility companies.

R0TW said:

DA9 said:

YTS1978 said:

Baldybonce said:

blackpool72 said:

DA9 said:

There is a vast difference between a football hooligan and a barmy, I know plenty of barmys who take gear and drink to excess at football but would never get involved in hooliganism. AFKA is right, the figures are skewed by labelling all football arrests as hooliganism.
I had fights at football because I wanted to and enjoyed it, my father loved me enough, I wasn't in poverty, neither of my parents were alcoholics or unemployed (neither was I), I wasn't abused as a child either. I have first hand experience of how the press and courts skew things and lie and sensationalise things regards this subject as well, and I am no way trying to play down or defend my actions in the past.

Trying to explain what hooliganism was all about in the late 60s through to the early 80s is nigh on impossible. 
If like you and me we grew up in that era we fully understand what it meant. 
But trying to explain to people who never experienced it is very difficult. 

I'd like to write a book 'Growing up in the Covered End, 1968-1985.
A lot of folks here would be shocked at what attending unsegregated games was like.

You should do it!

Goonerhater formerly of this parish always said I should write one 

Don’t do it. Look at what some of that lot over the river have turned into.

MillwallFan said:

Greenhithe said:

R0TW said:

DA9 said:

YTS1978 said:

Baldybonce said:

blackpool72 said:

DA9 said:

There is a vast difference between a football hooligan and a barmy, I know plenty of barmys who take gear and drink to excess at football but would never get involved in hooliganism. AFKA is right, the figures are skewed by labelling all football arrests as hooliganism.
I had fights at football because I wanted to and enjoyed it, my father loved me enough, I wasn't in poverty, neither of my parents were alcoholics or unemployed (neither was I), I wasn't abused as a child either. I have first hand experience of how the press and courts skew things and lie and sensationalise things regards this subject as well, and I am no way trying to play down or defend my actions in the past.

Trying to explain what hooliganism was all about in the late 60s through to the early 80s is nigh on impossible. 
If like you and me we grew up in that era we fully understand what it meant. 
But trying to explain to people who never experienced it is very difficult. 

I'd like to write a book 'Growing up in the Covered End, 1968-1985.
A lot of folks here would be shocked at what attending unsegregated games was like.

You should do it!

Goonerhater formerly of this parish always said I should write one 

Don’t do it. Look at what some of that lot over the river have turned into.

The birdman being the worst. Talk about milking it 

I’d say Cass is the worse over there. 

MillwallFan said:

Greenhithe said:

MillwallFan said:

Greenhithe said:

R0TW said:

DA9 said:

YTS1978 said:

Baldybonce said:

blackpool72 said:

DA9 said:

There is a vast difference between a football hooligan and a barmy, I know plenty of barmys who take gear and drink to excess at football but would never get involved in hooliganism. AFKA is right, the figures are skewed by labelling all football arrests as hooliganism.
I had fights at football because I wanted to and enjoyed it, my father loved me enough, I wasn't in poverty, neither of my parents were alcoholics or unemployed (neither was I), I wasn't abused as a child either. I have first hand experience of how the press and courts skew things and lie and sensationalise things regards this subject as well, and I am no way trying to play down or defend my actions in the past.

Trying to explain what hooliganism was all about in the late 60s through to the early 80s is nigh on impossible. 
If like you and me we grew up in that era we fully understand what it meant. 
But trying to explain to people who never experienced it is very difficult. 

I'd like to write a book 'Growing up in the Covered End, 1968-1985.
A lot of folks here would be shocked at what attending unsegregated games was like.

You should do it!

Goonerhater formerly of this parish always said I should write one 

Don’t do it. Look at what some of that lot over the river have turned into.

The birdman being the worst. Talk about milking it 

I’d say Cass is the worse over there. 

It’s a packed market. I just think a documentary about yourself just gets him over the line. 

I remember being outside the Village once very refreshed and grilling Cass why he weren’t Charlton as he came from Slade Green. To be fair he took it well. 

I think I’ve mentioned on here before I dabbled on the fringes of it back in my younger days but had all but grown out of it by the time I reached my mid 20’s. 

I know chatting to our older lot back then Cass was never really respected by our lot. A big lump, but a lot of noise and bouncing around and that was about it was the general consensus. Got a couple of hidings by ours and once had to roll under a parked car to escape a bad one in New Cross (when they tried an ambush on route to palace). BG was rated though, most Millwall had a grudging respect for him, and heard some legendary stories about him. The birdman as well, for a small bloke, was very game by all accounts.
 

But Cass, no, no one really rated him. Although he’s made a living out of his apparent reputation which is strange as I’ve even heard some west ham talk about him like he wasn’t much. I think maybe some of their younger fans look up to him though because they have seen the books and watched the movie but wasn’t actually there at the time to see it in the flesh. 

Anyway, not trying to glorify it or anything. As I say, grew out of all that a long time ago. Just commenting because it came up. 

DA9 said:

MillwallFan said:

Greenhithe said:

MillwallFan said:

Greenhithe said:

R0TW said:

DA9 said:

YTS1978 said:

Baldybonce said:

blackpool72 said:

DA9 said:

There is a vast difference between a football hooligan and a barmy, I know plenty of barmys who take gear and drink to excess at football but would never get involved in hooliganism. AFKA is right, the figures are skewed by labelling all football arrests as hooliganism.
I had fights at football because I wanted to and enjoyed it, my father loved me enough, I wasn't in poverty, neither of my parents were alcoholics or unemployed (neither was I), I wasn't abused as a child either. I have first hand experience of how the press and courts skew things and lie and sensationalise things regards this subject as well, and I am no way trying to play down or defend my actions in the past.

Trying to explain what hooliganism was all about in the late 60s through to the early 80s is nigh on impossible. 
If like you and me we grew up in that era we fully understand what it meant. 
But trying to explain to people who never experienced it is very difficult. 

I'd like to write a book 'Growing up in the Covered End, 1968-1985.
A lot of folks here would be shocked at what attending unsegregated games was like.

You should do it!

Goonerhater formerly of this parish always said I should write one 

Don’t do it. Look at what some of that lot over the river have turned into.

The birdman being the worst. Talk about milking it 

I’d say Cass is the worse over there. 

It’s a packed market. I just think a documentary about yourself just gets him over the line. 

I remember being outside the Village once very refreshed and grilling Cass why he weren’t Charlton as he came from Slade Green. To be fair he took it well. 

I think I’ve mentioned on here before I dabbled on the fringes of it back in my younger days but had all but grown out of it by the time I reached my mid 20’s. 

I know chatting to our older lot back then Cass was never really respected by our lot. A big lump, but a lot of noise and bouncing around and that was about it was the general consensus. Got a couple of hidings by ours and once had to roll under a parked car to escape a bad one in New Cross (when they tried an ambush on route to palace). BG was rated though, most Millwall had a grudging respect for him, and heard some legendary stories about him. The birdman as well, for a small bloke, was very game by all accounts.
 

But Cass, no, no one really rated him. Although he’s made a living out of his apparent reputation which is strange as I’ve even heard some west ham talk about him like he wasn’t much. I think maybe some of their younger fans look up to him though because they have seen the books and watched the movie but wasn’t actually there at the time to see it in the flesh. 

Anyway, not trying to glorify it or anything. As I say, grew out of all that a long time ago. Just commenting because it came up. 

MillwallFan said:

Greenhithe said:

MillwallFan said:

Greenhithe said:

R0TW said:

DA9 said:

YTS1978 said:

Baldybonce said:

blackpool72 said:

DA9 said:

There is a vast difference between a football hooligan and a barmy, I know plenty of barmys who take gear and drink to excess at football but would never get involved in hooliganism. AFKA is right, the figures are skewed by labelling all football arrests as hooliganism.
I had fights at football because I wanted to and enjoyed it, my father loved me enough, I wasn't in poverty, neither of my parents were alcoholics or unemployed (neither was I), I wasn't abused as a child either. I have first hand experience of how the press and courts skew things and lie and sensationalise things regards this subject as well, and I am no way trying to play down or defend my actions in the past.

Trying to explain what hooliganism was all about in the late 60s through to the early 80s is nigh on impossible. 
If like you and me we grew up in that era we fully understand what it meant. 
But trying to explain to people who never experienced it is very difficult. 

I'd like to write a book 'Growing up in the Covered End, 1968-1985.
A lot of folks here would be shocked at what attending unsegregated games was like.

You should do it!

Goonerhater formerly of this parish always said I should write one 

Don’t do it. Look at what some of that lot over the river have turned into.

The birdman being the worst. Talk about milking it 

I’d say Cass is the worse over there. 

It’s a packed market. I just think a documentary about yourself just gets him over the line. 

I remember being outside the Village once very refreshed and grilling Cass why he weren’t Charlton as he came from Slade Green. To be fair he took it well. 

I think I’ve mentioned on here before I dabbled on the fringes of it back in my younger days but had all but grown out of it by the time I reached my mid 20’s. 

I know chatting to our older lot back then Cass was never really respected by our lot. A big lump, but a lot of noise and bouncing around and that was about it was the general consensus. Got a couple of hidings by ours and once had to roll under a parked car to escape a bad one in New Cross (when they tried an ambush on route to palace). BG was rated though, most Millwall had a grudging respect for him, and heard some legendary stories about him. The birdman as well, for a small bloke, was very game by all accounts.
 

But Cass, no, no one really rated him. Although he’s made a living out of his apparent reputation which is strange as I’ve even heard some west ham talk about him like he wasn’t much. I think maybe some of their younger fans look up to him though because they have seen the books and watched the movie but wasn’t actually there at the time to see it in the flesh. 

Anyway, not trying to glorify it or anything. As I say, grew out of all that a long time ago. Just commenting because it came up. 

I read that BG rang IG (tiny) when he was on his last breaths etc, big respect for that.

MillwallFan said:

DA9 said:

MillwallFan said:

Greenhithe said:

MillwallFan said:

Greenhithe said:

R0TW said:

DA9 said:

YTS1978 said:

Baldybonce said:

blackpool72 said:

DA9 said:

There is a vast difference between a football hooligan and a barmy, I know plenty of barmys who take gear and drink to excess at football but would never get involved in hooliganism. AFKA is right, the figures are skewed by labelling all football arrests as hooliganism.
I had fights at football because I wanted to and enjoyed it, my father loved me enough, I wasn't in poverty, neither of my parents were alcoholics or unemployed (neither was I), I wasn't abused as a child either. I have first hand experience of how the press and courts skew things and lie and sensationalise things regards this subject as well, and I am no way trying to play down or defend my actions in the past.

Trying to explain what hooliganism was all about in the late 60s through to the early 80s is nigh on impossible. 
If like you and me we grew up in that era we fully understand what it meant. 
But trying to explain to people who never experienced it is very difficult. 

I'd like to write a book 'Growing up in the Covered End, 1968-1985.
A lot of folks here would be shocked at what attending unsegregated games was like.

You should do it!

Goonerhater formerly of this parish always said I should write one 

Don’t do it. Look at what some of that lot over the river have turned into.

The birdman being the worst. Talk about milking it 

I’d say Cass is the worse over there. 

It’s a packed market. I just think a documentary about yourself just gets him over the line. 

I remember being outside the Village once very refreshed and grilling Cass why he weren’t Charlton as he came from Slade Green. To be fair he took it well. 

I think I’ve mentioned on here before I dabbled on the fringes of it back in my younger days but had all but grown out of it by the time I reached my mid 20’s. 

I know chatting to our older lot back then Cass was never really respected by our lot. A big lump, but a lot of noise and bouncing around and that was about it was the general consensus. Got a couple of hidings by ours and once had to roll under a parked car to escape a bad one in New Cross (when they tried an ambush on route to palace). BG was rated though, most Millwall had a grudging respect for him, and heard some legendary stories about him. The birdman as well, for a small bloke, was very game by all accounts.
 

But Cass, no, no one really rated him. Although he’s made a living out of his apparent reputation which is strange as I’ve even heard some west ham talk about him like he wasn’t much. I think maybe some of their younger fans look up to him though because they have seen the books and watched the movie but wasn’t actually there at the time to see it in the flesh. 

Anyway, not trying to glorify it or anything. As I say, grew out of all that a long time ago. Just commenting because it came up. 

MillwallFan said:

Greenhithe said:

MillwallFan said:

Greenhithe said:

R0TW said:

DA9 said:

YTS1978 said:

Baldybonce said:

blackpool72 said:

DA9 said:

There is a vast difference between a football hooligan and a barmy, I know plenty of barmys who take gear and drink to excess at football but would never get involved in hooliganism. AFKA is right, the figures are skewed by labelling all football arrests as hooliganism.
I had fights at football because I wanted to and enjoyed it, my father loved me enough, I wasn't in poverty, neither of my parents were alcoholics or unemployed (neither was I), I wasn't abused as a child either. I have first hand experience of how the press and courts skew things and lie and sensationalise things regards this subject as well, and I am no way trying to play down or defend my actions in the past.

Trying to explain what hooliganism was all about in the late 60s through to the early 80s is nigh on impossible. 
If like you and me we grew up in that era we fully understand what it meant. 
But trying to explain to people who never experienced it is very difficult. 

I'd like to write a book 'Growing up in the Covered End, 1968-1985.
A lot of folks here would be shocked at what attending unsegregated games was like.

You should do it!

Goonerhater formerly of this parish always said I should write one 

Don’t do it. Look at what some of that lot over the river have turned into.

The birdman being the worst. Talk about milking it 

I’d say Cass is the worse over there. 

It’s a packed market. I just think a documentary about yourself just gets him over the line. 

I remember being outside the Village once very refreshed and grilling Cass why he weren’t Charlton as he came from Slade Green. To be fair he took it well. 

I think I’ve mentioned on here before I dabbled on the fringes of it back in my younger days but had all but grown out of it by the time I reached my mid 20’s. 

I know chatting to our older lot back then Cass was never really respected by our lot. A big lump, but a lot of noise and bouncing around and that was about it was the general consensus. Got a couple of hidings by ours and once had to roll under a parked car to escape a bad one in New Cross (when they tried an ambush on route to palace). BG was rated though, most Millwall had a grudging respect for him, and heard some legendary stories about him. The birdman as well, for a small bloke, was very game by all accounts.
 

But Cass, no, no one really rated him. Although he’s made a living out of his apparent reputation which is strange as I’ve even heard some west ham talk about him like he wasn’t much. I think maybe some of their younger fans look up to him though because they have seen the books and watched the movie but wasn’t actually there at the time to see it in the flesh. 

Anyway, not trying to glorify it or anything. As I say, grew out of all that a long time ago. Just commenting because it came up. 

I read that BG rang IG (tiny) when he was on his last breaths etc, big respect for that.

Yes I heard about that. Old enemies but showed a lot of respect to do that. I think BG always came across as a decent and humble bloke. Tiny was a lovely bloke as well. That’s the irony here. A lot of these people, at heart, were decent people. Some of them could be c*nts obviously but not all of them. Some of the older lot I knew were proper characters and it was good being in their company because they were funny as f*** and endearing. Going on an away day with them, or a night out down the OKR, for a youngster, in my teens or early 20’s, was something else. 

Having said all that I’m glad we’ve largely seen the back of it now. It’s from a bygone era and let’s have it right, it nearly brought football to its knees back in the 70’s and 80’s. 

I mean we always feature high in these league tables, but I take my kids to Millwall all the time, most home games and a fair few away games, and we rarely see any trouble. And that can only be a good thing. I think there’s still a few at most clubs who indulge but it’s very rarely in or near the ground. I can’t remember the last time I saw any serious disorder at football.