If we did sign Kelman, Knibbs & Leonard, it would be likely we stay up, compared to what we were faced with before the transfer window opened.
All three would set us back approx 7 million, makes our total outlay around 13-14 million, within FFP for a newly promoted side and would set us up nicely to stabilise as a championship side.
You can assume after 1 successful year of Championship football we would make at least 1 big player sale next season to balance the books a bit.
We can afford losses of 39 million over 3 seasons, worst case scenario we go down and have a line of clubs who would buy all the good players more than likely anyway. Best case scenario we stay up and have a cracking squad who are ready to go for another season, and our club value goes up.
You must speculate to accumulate in football. If these types of players are this openly available and we can afford it, we should.
The next time someone says 'we need to sign a target man' when we have Olaofe, Leaburn and Mbick on the staff, I will scream
Olaofe is 5’11 and even Challinor was saying how he likes playing on the last defender and getting in behind, Mbick is 18 and nowhere near ready, Leaburn has injuries issues and despite being 6’7 plays more like a technical winger than you’re typical target man who links play. Like it or not a target man makes more sense than getting another smaller pacy striker
Who are the good target men we’ve had in living memory ? Kermorgant, Andy Hunt ? The guy with Pink Hair
We're all hoping Kelman signs, not for his footballing skills, but just to see how @ForeverAddickted gets himself out of the tatooist, tackle intact,,,😂😂😂
Ron Saunders was a small centre forward but I was amazed at how good he was in the air. He seemed to specialise in the diving header.
an example of an 'aging' striker who still 'had it' .. he was well into his 30s when he joined us .. the great Eddie Firmani was 30 when he re-joined (for the 1st time) after his long spell in Italy. He was 34 on re-joining us for the second time and was still banging in the goals
39 million in losses over 3 seasons. 13 million per season. The above is not the same as spending 39 million over 3 seasons in player acquisition / 13 million per season.
Which is why you then don't spend crazy amounts for the next two, unless you generate more income through a big player sale etc.
You either stay up and your whole squad increases in value and you can balance the books with big sales, or you're down and will likely be able to recover with sales regardless.
What you probably shouldn't do is go up, not take the risk and potentially end up going down and be in poor financial circumstances anyway, like many clubs that have done. We're Charlton Athletic, shouldn't be some yo-yo club with limited potential.
There aren't many succesful business on earth that didn't gain without taking losses to start off with, it's just borderline impossible unless you get very fortunate. You have to spend money to make money.
We are doing well so far in this regard, hopefully more to come with such decent fees being advertised for such quality players that would increase our chances of staying in the league, the number 1 goal.
Have to be careful though, can’t just spend the whole £13m allowed on transfer fees. Promotion bonuses and increased wages contribute too. I am assuming in the next 12 months or so we’ll need to sell someone, hopefully because we’ve had a great season and that player can go for a big fee like Esse did
Have to be careful though, can’t just spend the whole £13m allowed on transfer fees. Promotion bonuses and increased wages contribute too. I am assuming in the next 12 months or so we’ll need to sell someone, hopefully because we’ve had a great season and that player can go for a big fee like Esse did
Respectfully though, there isn't much point investing in football if you aren't taking risks, that's just the nature of the beast. It's a race to the Prem and nothing else matters. All financial losses otherwise.
Plenty of clubs now look well run and sustainable by taking massive risks and paying a lot of money (Brighton, Bournemouth, Forest, Fulham, Villa etc) and then plenty get bitten on the arse (Derby, Wednesday, Hull etc)
One certainty in football though, is that if you don't spend, you'll either stagnate or drop down the leagues. It is extremely unlikely/borderline impossible now to progress as a football club without competing in the market, whether people like it or not.
But that's enough from me on money, I like the business we are doing and I am happy with it, just pointing out it would be nice if some of these links actually happen as they're very low risk in the grand scheme of football money, and potentially very high reward in the long run.
The next time someone says 'we need to sign a target man' when we have Olaofe, Leaburn and Mbick on the staff, I will scream
Olaofe is 5’11 and even Challinor was saying how he likes playing on the last defender and getting in behind, Mbick is 18 and nowhere near ready, Leaburn has injuries issues and despite being 6’7 plays more like a technical winger than you’re typical target man who links play. Like it or not a target man makes more sense than getting another smaller pacy striker
Who are the good target men we’ve had in living memory ? Kermorgant, Andy Hunt ? The guy with Pink Hair
Any transfer rumours today? Can’t be bothered to read through the 30 pages I haven’t read. 😂
Yes, there are some...... But to see who they are, you first need to read through 30 pages.
We had to! 😝
Its always a bit odd for someone to come on and post that they cant be bothered to read all the other posts that are non-transfer related, when they are adding to those pages of non-transfer related posts. Its crazy, thank goodness I would never be found guilty of doing that myself.
The important thing is that if (when?) neither of these signings actually come off that we avoid going down the route of thinking the owners aren't willing to spend enough or aren't fully aware of the need to spend.
The deals done so far have shown that we are very happy to spend money IF we think it worthwhile. There's absolutely going to be players we genuinely were in for that we missed out on but the Galbraith situation shows that there's more than JUST money involved in some of those. Similarly while we may very well be after (for example) Kelman we absolutely don't want to get drawn into a bidding war for the sake of it.
Everything I've seen so far tells me there is absolutely a plan and that if we DO miss out on players then there's a plan B.
Any transfer rumours today? Can’t be bothered to read through the 30 pages I haven’t read. 😂
Yes, there are some...... But to see who they are, you first need to read through 30 pages.
We had to! 😝
Its always a bit odd for someone to come on and post that they cant be bothered to read all the other posts that are non-transfer related, when they are adding to those pages of non-transfer related posts. Its crazy, thank goodness I would never be found guilty of doing that myself.
Any transfer rumours today? Can’t be bothered to read through the 30 pages I haven’t read. 😂
Yes, there are some...... But to see who they are, you first need to read through 30 pages.
We had to! 😝
Its always a bit odd for someone to come on and post that they cant be bothered to read all the other posts that are non-transfer related, when they are adding to those pages of non-transfer related posts. Its crazy, thank goodness I would never be found guilty of doing that myself.
I make oggy right - it’s not an information service on here, it’s a discussion board and people moaning about discussions around transfers should remember that
Any transfer rumours today? Can’t be bothered to read through the 30 pages I haven’t read. 😂
Yes, there are some...... But to see who they are, you first need to read through 30 pages.
We had to! 😝
Its always a bit odd for someone to come on and post that they cant be bothered to read all the other posts that are non-transfer related, when they are adding to those pages of non-transfer related posts. Its crazy, thank goodness I would never be found guilty of doing that myself.
I make oggy right - it’s not an information service on here, it’s a discussion board and people moaning about discussions around transfers should remember that
I’m not sure he was moaning was he? Came across in jest?
Any transfer rumours today? Can’t be bothered to read through the 30 pages I haven’t read. 😂
Yes, there are some...... But to see who they are, you first need to read through 30 pages.
We had to! 😝
Its always a bit odd for someone to come on and post that they cant be bothered to read all the other posts that are non-transfer related, when they are adding to those pages of non-transfer related posts. Its crazy, thank goodness I would never be found guilty of doing that myself.
I make oggy right - it’s not an information service on here, it’s a discussion board and people moaning about discussions around transfers should remember that
It’s the same every transfer thread.
Everyone who signs up to this forum on the whole do it because they are a Charlton fan, and they want to discuss Charlton. The summer rumours thread is always going to be one of the most active threads in the off season, and naturally that means that people will be drawn to it and lots of views and counter views will be posted and tangents will happen within that. That is just the way it is.
It miffs me to see the same names complain about this each transfer window.
Any transfer rumours today? Can’t be bothered to read through the 30 pages I haven’t read. 😂
Yes, there are some...... But to see who they are, you first need to read through 30 pages.
We had to! 😝
Its always a bit odd for someone to come on and post that they cant be bothered to read all the other posts that are non-transfer related, when they are adding to those pages of non-transfer related posts. Its crazy, thank goodness I would never be found guilty of doing that myself.
I make oggy right - it’s not an information service on here, it’s a discussion board and people moaning about discussions around transfers should remember that
I’m not sure he was moaning was he? Came across in jest?
Don’t know but plenty come on here moaning about wading through page after page without a rumour
The next time someone says 'we need to sign a target man' when we have Olaofe, Leaburn and Mbick on the staff, I will scream
Olaofe is 5’11 and even Challinor was saying how he likes playing on the last defender and getting in behind, Mbick is 18 and nowhere near ready, Leaburn has injuries issues and despite being 6’7 plays more like a technical winger than you’re typical target man who links play. Like it or not a target man makes more sense than getting another smaller pacy striker
Who are the good target men we’ve had in living memory ? Kermorgant, Andy Hunt ? The guy with Pink Hair
Deon Burton
John Pearson. Carl Leaburn. Matt Tees?
I believe it was asked in reference to recent times. Even Leaburn was 30 years ago.
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All three would set us back approx 7 million, makes our total outlay around 13-14 million, within FFP for a newly promoted side and would set us up nicely to stabilise as a championship side.
You can assume after 1 successful year of Championship football we would make at least 1 big player sale next season to balance the books a bit.
We can afford losses of 39 million over 3 seasons, worst case scenario we go down and have a line of clubs who would buy all the good players more than likely anyway. Best case scenario we stay up and have a cracking squad who are ready to go for another season, and our club value goes up.
You must speculate to accumulate in football. If these types of players are this openly available and we can afford it, we should.
Blackpool manager Steve Bruce has claimed that Rob Apter “quadrupled” his wages after his transfer to Charlton Athletic.
The 22-year-old winger made the move to SE7 on Thursday. No fee was disclosed but the deal is believed to be worth in excess of £2million
We had to! 😝
13 million per season.
The above is not the same as spending 39 million over 3 seasons in player acquisition / 13 million per season.
You either stay up and your whole squad increases in value and you can balance the books with big sales, or you're down and will likely be able to recover with sales regardless.
What you probably shouldn't do is go up, not take the risk and potentially end up going down and be in poor financial circumstances anyway, like many clubs that have done. We're Charlton Athletic, shouldn't be some yo-yo club with limited potential.
There aren't many succesful business on earth that didn't gain without taking losses to start off with, it's just borderline impossible unless you get very fortunate. You have to spend money to make money.
We are doing well so far in this regard, hopefully more to come with such decent fees being advertised for such quality players that would increase our chances of staying in the league, the number 1 goal.
Plenty of clubs now look well run and sustainable by taking massive risks and paying a lot of money (Brighton, Bournemouth, Forest, Fulham, Villa etc) and then plenty get bitten on the arse (Derby, Wednesday, Hull etc)
One certainty in football though, is that if you don't spend, you'll either stagnate or drop down the leagues. It is extremely unlikely/borderline impossible now to progress as a football club without competing in the market, whether people like it or not.
But that's enough from me on money, I like the business we are doing and I am happy with it, just pointing out it would be nice if some of these links actually happen as they're very low risk in the grand scheme of football money, and potentially very high reward in the long run.
Back to the rumours 👍🏻
The deals done so far have shown that we are very happy to spend money IF we think it worthwhile. There's absolutely going to be players we genuinely were in for that we missed out on but the Galbraith situation shows that there's more than JUST money involved in some of those. Similarly while we may very well be after (for example) Kelman we absolutely don't want to get drawn into a bidding war for the sake of it.
Everything I've seen so far tells me there is absolutely a plan and that if we DO miss out on players then there's a plan B.
Everyone who signs up to this forum on the whole do it because they are a Charlton fan, and they want to discuss Charlton. The summer rumours thread is always going to be one of the most active threads in the off season, and naturally that means that people will be drawn to it and lots of views and counter views will be posted and tangents will happen within that. That is just the way it is.
It miffs me to see the same names complain about this each transfer window.
How much of the loss was on player acquisition?