I went and had a look at our squad from a couple years ago, and there are a horrendous number now in league 2 or non league. Just shows how far we've come, and how important that playoff win was for the direction of the club. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating etc but hopefully this window gives us plenty to enjoy gobbling up.
Nothing to say that in 2 years time you could look at our current squad and see some of them plying their trade in League 2 or below.
Kelman has no pedigree in anything but League 1. Same with Apter and Olaofe. Then there are our Academy players such as TC and Anderson.
As you say......the proof of the pudding is in the eating. I do hope I am eating my words along with a slice of humble pie in 2 years time...but I could also be right.
Shut up you melt
Twattish comment, Golfies comments could well turn out to be true.
As he says he hopes not but going on our past record with players it could easily happen
Twattish? Ouch that really hurts. Consider me told
My issue isn't necessarily with his comments, more the know it all negativity. We've had an unbelievable window, arguably as good as it could have been, but he and a few others will still find a reason to be fucking negative, and deliver it all in a 'I know more than you' tone that really fucks me off.
He's a boring know it all who consistently brings negativity to a conversation and has hilariously been proved wrong on many occasions, sometimes almost instantly (Leaburn scoring twice immediately after he announced 'he's poor, won't score again this year' or something along those lines).
His takes are shite, he's a boring negative melt and I'm going to continue to call him out for it. Even if I'm called Twatish.
Just goes to show how Football has progressed, and how fucked it is
Did we ever really have to spend £10m in the Premier League, just to be able to finish at least 17th
Whereas that's what we've clearly had to do this summer, but in the f**king Championship
Problem is the championship is the most unbalanced and unfair league going ..a promoted team gets very little but still expected to spend around 12/15 mill just to finish 4th from bottom yet teams that come down get 90 mill parachute money over 3 years …
There will be some players that we had before or that we’ve signed that won’t make the step up successfully. The good thing is we’ve got a squad now where we don’t need everyone to make the step up, just need enough of them to do it
The owners have done their job in opening the purse strings. It now comes down to Jones and the recruitment team to see how well they did in talent evaluation. There is always going to be uncertainties when recruiting in a promotion year. Jones has made some clear mistakes in recruiting the last couple years and also have made some shrewd signings. You would figure that the same will be said about this years incoming class but let’s hope the sum of the positives outweigh the negatives. My biggest concern is at the forward position. Historically there are a lot of examples of strikers scoring in League one and then struggling in the championship. It seems the step up at that position is higher than other positions so I have some questions on Kelman and Tanto.
Just goes to show how Football has progressed, and how fucked it is
Did we ever really have to spend £10m in the Premier League, just to be able to finish at least 17th
Whereas that's what we've clearly had to do this summer, but in the f**king Championship
We had to sign Jensen and Johansson (and Kiely the year before) to make us comfortably mid table . That was about 9 million and 25 years ago. Realistically , Jones took up a mid table league one team and therefore he needed to spend big to give us a chance .
For those of you who can't read Kanji unlike me he said "Fucking love the Addicks, seeing Graeme Murty marauding down the wing from fullback in 2008 made me the wing back I am today. Definitely gonna be signing today, just nipped back to tell the Mrs to get on finding a school place around South London cause rumours are they're like gold dust at the moment. COYR" I think that's what it said anyways
Based on the pre-season friendlies, I do think that we know have a team that can compete in the Championship and we’ve now completely removed the shackles from that horrible third division. However, it might take some time for the players to gel together and zoom up the league table. Get ready for another promotion to the Premier!
If what we have done is not comfortable to stay up I worry for every single L1 club that gets promoted from now on. Don’t expect it to be a cakewalk but this team on paper and manager looks far too good to be relegated
Not sure what else the club could've done to give us a great chance at staying up this season. Been a great effort so far. Time for us to get behind the team
Totally agree. The club has been way above expectations in recruitment. We have a very decent chance of cutting it. I’m still expecting a looking over our shoulder season though.
I went and had a look at our squad from a couple years ago, and there are a horrendous number now in league 2 or non league. Just shows how far we've come, and how important that playoff win was for the direction of the club. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating etc but hopefully this window gives us plenty to enjoy gobbling up.
Nothing to say that in 2 years time you could look at our current squad and see some of them plying their trade in League 2 or below.
Kelman has no pedigree in anything but League 1. Same with Apter and Olaofe. Then there are our Academy players such as TC and Anderson.
As you say......the proof of the pudding is in the eating. I do hope I am eating my words along with a slice of humble pie in 2 years time...but I could also be right.
Shut up you melt
It's called a counter arguement. None of what I stated isn't true. Not saying those players will disappear off the face of the earth but no one can say 100% that they wont be below the Championship when their contracts are up.
I’ll give you some backup on this golfie. Although your argument is I think on the extreme side I do see where you are coming from. The main thrust of our recruitment has been to pick off the better league one players which I think you’ll agree was the way to go. We’ve supplemented that with some older experienced Championship players who in my humble opinion with the exception of Kaminski arnt names that would blow anyone’s socks off. Sound but probably not any better than those found in any Championship squad we’ll face. We need both sides of that equation to work and there’s probably more risk of that blowing up with the “exciting “ signings from league one, than the steady Eddie older payers. It’s absolutely terrific that for the first time in years we’ve actually gone and spent some decent money and we should enjoy it but I think a lot of people are getting carried away. This squad has if all works out given us a fighting chance of survival. For me that’s about it. Only for example but there’s as much chance of us lauding Fullah at the seasons end as it is Kelman or Apter. We’ve gambled and need to hope it works out.
Your last sentence would be true whoever we signed, are you saying there was alternative strategy that wouldn’t have been a gamble, or less of a gamble?
100% what you’ve just said. What I’m trying to say is suppose is that all of our “exciting” signings were good in league one. Wright-Phillips was excellent in league one but couldn’t make the step up to offer what we needed in The Championship. That goes for TC, Anderson, Coventry, Edward’s and Ramsay. Even Jones. We don’t have a tried Championship squad. I’m hopeful because I trust NJ and PC but I’d be very surprised if we’re not in a season long relegation battle. This group would be an awesome league one squad but very average where we currently are.
But the thing is we don't know that. Putting together a squad that's greater than the sum of its parts, using the momentum of promotion you just don't know who will step up and who won't. Who honestly would have had a squad featuring the likes of Burke, Berry, Bell, Tom Lockyer, Dan Potts, Allan Campbell and Alfie Doughty getting promoted? Some of their players were signed when they were in L1 or L2 but they were the right players for the style of play and they were Premier League footballers by the next season. Kaminski was signed specifically to be a Premier League keeper for Luton. The reality is that football is weird and you just don't know who will surprise you; BWP wasn't great in the Championship but then Yann, Stephens and Hamer went on to play in the Premier League, and there were plenty on here in 11/12 who weren't sold on Hamer and Stephens at all. We don't know if this is an average team in the Championship, a rubbish one or something more. The fun will be in finding out, but I'm confident in the very least we've brought in the kind of players the manager wants for some fairly hefty fees and that's something to feel very positive about
The issue for me is not our squad at all. We still have nearly the entire promotion winning team together (albeit they won't all start) and the additions we have made all very much fit the mould of "Jones players" - we've done everything we could hope to do to give us as good a chance as possible.
The issue is that even with all that we're in a league with teams who have got (former) Premier league players and Premier league money available. We've spent enough money that other teams fans are genuinely surprised, yet both of the teams that came up with us have spent EVEN MORE.
I'm positive about our chances but a "good" season for me is safety with a month or two to go.
If what we have done is not comfortable to stay up I worry for every single L1 club that gets promoted from now on. Don’t expect it to be a cakewalk but this team on paper and manager looks far too good to be relegated
Not sure what else the club could've done to give us a great chance at staying up this season. Been a great effort so far. Time for us to get behind the team
Totally agree. The club has way above expectations in recruitment. We have a very decent chance of cutting it. I’m still expecting a looking over our shoulder season though.
I agree. My prediction is securing safety with 2-3 weeks to go. Ultimately comfortable but nerve wracking
If what we have done is not comfortable to stay up I worry for every single L1 club that gets promoted from now on. Don’t expect it to be a cakewalk but this team on paper and manager looks far too good to be relegated
Not sure what else the club could've done to give us a great chance at staying up this season. Been a great effort so far. Time for us to get behind the team
Totally agree. The club has way above expectations in recruitment. We have a very decent chance of cutting it. I’m still expecting a looking over our shoulder season though.
I agree. My prediction is securing safety with 2-3 weeks to go. Ultimately comfortable but nerve wracking
If what we have done is not comfortable to stay up I worry for every single L1 club that gets promoted from now on. Don’t expect it to be a cakewalk but this team on paper and manager looks far too good to be relegated
Not sure what else the club could've done to give us a great chance at staying up this season. Been a great effort so far. Time for us to get behind the team
Brendan Wiredu … abused by his own fans at home park on Saturday , Plymouth had to release a statement condemning the behaviour towards Brendon during the game ( his debut )
I went and had a look at our squad from a couple years ago, and there are a horrendous number now in league 2 or non league. Just shows how far we've come, and how important that playoff win was for the direction of the club. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating etc but hopefully this window gives us plenty to enjoy gobbling up.
Nothing to say that in 2 years time you could look at our current squad and see some of them plying their trade in League 2 or below.
Kelman has no pedigree in anything but League 1. Same with Apter and Olaofe. Then there are our Academy players such as TC and Anderson.
As you say......the proof of the pudding is in the eating. I do hope I am eating my words along with a slice of humble pie in 2 years time...but I could also be right.
Shut up you melt
It's called a counter arguement. None of what I stated isn't true. Not saying those players will disappear off the face of the earth but no one can say 100% that they wont be below the Championship when their contracts are up.
I’ll give you some backup on this golfie. Although your argument is I think on the extreme side I do see where you are coming from. The main thrust of our recruitment has been to pick off the better league one players which I think you’ll agree was the way to go. We’ve supplemented that with some older experienced Championship players who in my humble opinion with the exception of Kaminski arnt names that would blow anyone’s socks off. Sound but probably not any better than those found in any Championship squad we’ll face. We need both sides of that equation to work and there’s probably more risk of that blowing up with the “exciting “ signings from league one, than the steady Eddie older payers. It’s absolutely terrific that for the first time in years we’ve actually gone and spent some decent money and we should enjoy it but I think a lot of people are getting carried away. This squad has if all works out given us a fighting chance of survival. For me that’s about it. Only for example but there’s as much chance of us lauding Fullah at the seasons end as it is Kelman or Apter. We’ve gambled and need to hope it works out.
Your last sentence would be true whoever we signed, are you saying there was alternative strategy that wouldn’t have been a gamble, or less of a gamble?
100% what you’ve just said. What I’m trying to say is suppose is that all of our “exciting” signings were good in league one. Wright-Phillips was excellent in league one but couldn’t make the step up to offer what we needed in The Championship. That goes for TC, Anderson, Coventry, Edward’s and Ramsay. Even Jones. We don’t have a tried Championship squad. I’m hopeful because I trust NJ and PC but I’d be very surprised if we’re not in a season long relegation battle. This group would be an awesome league one squad but very average where we currently are.
But the thing is we don't know that. Putting together a squad that's greater than the sum of its parts, using the momentum of promotion you just don't know who will step up and who won't. Who honestly would have had a squad featuring the likes of Burke, Berry, Bell, Tom Lockyer, Dan Potts, Allan Campbell and Alfie Doughty getting promoted? Some of their players were signed when they were in L1 or L2 but they were the right players for the style of play and they were Premier League footballers by the next season. Kaminski was signed specifically to be a Premier League keeper for Luton. The reality is that football is weird and you just don't know who will surprise you; BWP wasn't great in the Championship but then Yann, Stephens and Hamer went on to play in the Premier League, and there were plenty on here in 11/12 who weren't sold on Hamer and Stephens at all. We don't know if this is an average team in the Championship, a rubbish one or something more. The fun will be in finding out, but I'm confident in the very least we've brought in the kind of players the manager wants for some fairly hefty fees and that's something to feel very positive about
The issue for me is not our squad at all. We still have nearly the entire promotion winning team together (albeit they won't all start) and the additions we have made all very much fit the mould of "Jones players" - we've done everything we could hope to do to give us as good a chance as possible.
The issue is that even with all that we're in a league with teams who have got (former) Premier league players and Premier league money available. We've spent enough money that other teams fans are genuinely surprised, yet both of the teams that came up with us have spent EVEN MORE.
I'm positive about our chances but a "good" season for me is safety with a month or two to go.
The two teams who came up with us are a bit of a freak occurrence though. The team that used FFP loopholes to build a Championship team in L1 (which we still beat at home) and the daft Disney team who pay over the odds for some strange players. It's unfortunate but equally we've got a Sheffield Wednesday team who are currently circling the drain and a Hull side with a 3 window transfer ban which sort of levels things out in that respect. What's interesting is the fans of teams around us who are getting a bit hot under the collar about our signings. Oxford, Preston, Pompey, Derby, all these sorts of teams are pretty horrified and if you look at their transfers they haven't brought too many in. I agree, staying up is enough but I think we've done enough to have some teams seriously looking over their shoulders at us. A good start for us and I think there will be some real fear in them.
If what we have done is not comfortable to stay up I worry for every single L1 club that gets promoted from now on. Don’t expect it to be a cakewalk but this team on paper and manager looks far too good to be relegated
Not sure what else the club could've done to give us a great chance at staying up this season. Been a great effort so far. Time for us to get behind the team
Totally agree. The club has way above expectations in recruitment. We have a very decent chance of cutting it. I’m still expecting a looking over our shoulder season though.
I agree. My prediction is securing safety with 2-3 weeks to go. Ultimately comfortable but nerve wracking
For those of you who can't read Kanji unlike me he said "Fucking love the Addicks, seeing Graeme Murty marauding down the wing from fullback in 2008 made me the wing back I am today. Definitely gonna be signing today, just nipped back to tell the Mrs to get on finding a school place around South London cause rumours are they're like gold dust at the moment. COYR" I think that's what it said anyways
Did he mention anything about the York railway museum im worried about Preston swooping in
I went and had a look at our squad from a couple years ago, and there are a horrendous number now in league 2 or non league. Just shows how far we've come, and how important that playoff win was for the direction of the club. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating etc but hopefully this window gives us plenty to enjoy gobbling up.
Nothing to say that in 2 years time you could look at our current squad and see some of them plying their trade in League 2 or below.
Kelman has no pedigree in anything but League 1. Same with Apter and Olaofe. Then there are our Academy players such as TC and Anderson.
As you say......the proof of the pudding is in the eating. I do hope I am eating my words along with a slice of humble pie in 2 years time...but I could also be right.
Shut up you melt
Twattish comment, Golfies comments could well turn out to be true.
As he says he hopes not but going on our past record with players it could easily happen
Twattish? Ouch that really hurts. Consider me told
My issue isn't necessarily with his comments, more the know it all negativity. We've had an unbelievable window, arguably as good as it could have been, but he and a few others will still find a reason to be fucking negative, and deliver it all in a 'I know more than you' tone that really fucks me off.
He's a boring know it all who consistently brings negativity to a conversation and has hilariously been proved wrong on many occasions, sometimes almost instantly (Leaburn scoring twice immediately after he announced 'he's poor, won't score again this year' or something along those lines).
His takes are shite, he's a boring negative melt and I'm going to continue to call him out for it. Even if I'm called Twatish.
Wouldn't have it any other way mind
This says more about you than it does Golfie to be honest.
He might well be naturally more pessimistic than most, sometimes he is proven to be right, most of the time it's not, but I don't remember seeing him come on here to call out another poster in the tone that you have.
He has said this has been a great window, he naturally wants us to do well, but he also naturally leans towards the side of caution and pessimism at times, and I think that is okay too. It brings balance and actual debate to the forum without being offensive.
If his posts and the tone he uses 'really fucks you off', it's not difficult to just scroll passed them and don't read it. I do it with loads of posts most of the time, it's not worth getting hung up about it.
Not expecting anything are we unless they agree to a loan , we are not going to pay 800.000 when we can get him for free in few months time ?
Well quiet but when he’s a free agent I’m guessing he’ll have a few more suitors. I don’t know how we’ve left it with Fukuda but I would think unless he’s signed a pre contract with us then I reckon this one is gone.
I went and had a look at our squad from a couple years ago, and there are a horrendous number now in league 2 or non league. Just shows how far we've come, and how important that playoff win was for the direction of the club. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating etc but hopefully this window gives us plenty to enjoy gobbling up.
Nothing to say that in 2 years time you could look at our current squad and see some of them plying their trade in League 2 or below.
Kelman has no pedigree in anything but League 1. Same with Apter and Olaofe. Then there are our Academy players such as TC and Anderson.
As you say......the proof of the pudding is in the eating. I do hope I am eating my words along with a slice of humble pie in 2 years time...but I could also be right.
Shut up you melt
It's called a counter arguement. None of what I stated isn't true. Not saying those players will disappear off the face of the earth but no one can say 100% that they wont be below the Championship when their contracts are up.
I’ll give you some backup on this golfie. Although your argument is I think on the extreme side I do see where you are coming from. The main thrust of our recruitment has been to pick off the better league one players which I think you’ll agree was the way to go. We’ve supplemented that with some older experienced Championship players who in my humble opinion with the exception of Kaminski arnt names that would blow anyone’s socks off. Sound but probably not any better than those found in any Championship squad we’ll face. We need both sides of that equation to work and there’s probably more risk of that blowing up with the “exciting “ signings from league one, than the steady Eddie older payers. It’s absolutely terrific that for the first time in years we’ve actually gone and spent some decent money and we should enjoy it but I think a lot of people are getting carried away. This squad has if all works out given us a fighting chance of survival. For me that’s about it. Only for example but there’s as much chance of us lauding Fullah at the seasons end as it is Kelman or Apter. We’ve gambled and need to hope it works out.
Your last sentence would be true whoever we signed, are you saying there was alternative strategy that wouldn’t have been a gamble, or less of a gamble?
100% what you’ve just said. What I’m trying to say is suppose is that all of our “exciting” signings were good in league one. Wright-Phillips was excellent in league one but couldn’t make the step up to offer what we needed in The Championship. That goes for TC, Anderson, Coventry, Edward’s and Ramsay. Even Jones. We don’t have a tried Championship squad. I’m hopeful because I trust NJ and PC but I’d be very surprised if we’re not in a season long relegation battle. This group would be an awesome league one squad but very average where we currently are.
But the thing is we don't know that. Putting together a squad that's greater than the sum of its parts, using the momentum of promotion you just don't know who will step up and who won't. Who honestly would have had a squad featuring the likes of Burke, Berry, Bell, Tom Lockyer, Dan Potts, Allan Campbell and Alfie Doughty getting promoted? Some of their players were signed when they were in L1 or L2 but they were the right players for the style of play and they were Premier League footballers by the next season. Kaminski was signed specifically to be a Premier League keeper for Luton. The reality is that football is weird and you just don't know who will surprise you; BWP wasn't great in the Championship but then Yann, Stephens and Hamer went on to play in the Premier League, and there were plenty on here in 11/12 who weren't sold on Hamer and Stephens at all. We don't know if this is an average team in the Championship, a rubbish one or something more. The fun will be in finding out, but I'm confident in the very least we've brought in the kind of players the manager wants for some fairly hefty fees and that's something to feel very positive about
The issue for me is not our squad at all. We still have nearly the entire promotion winning team together (albeit they won't all start) and the additions we have made all very much fit the mould of "Jones players" - we've done everything we could hope to do to give us as good a chance as possible.
The issue is that even with all that we're in a league with teams who have got (former) Premier league players and Premier league money available. We've spent enough money that other teams fans are genuinely surprised, yet both of the teams that came up with us have spent EVEN MORE.
I'm positive about our chances but a "good" season for me is safety with a month or two to go.
The two teams who came up with us are a bit of a freak occurrence though. The team that used FFP loopholes to build a Championship team in L1 (which we still beat at home) and the daft Disney team who pay over the odds for some strange players. It's unfortunate but equally we've got a Sheffield Wednesday team who are currently circling the drain and a Hull side with a 3 window transfer ban which sort of levels things out in that respect. What's interesting is the fans of teams around us who are getting a bit hot under the collar about our signings. Oxford, Preston, Pompey, Derby, all these sorts of teams are pretty horrified and if you look at their transfers they haven't brought too many in. I agree, staying up is enough but I think we've done enough to have some teams seriously looking over their shoulders at us. A good start for us and I think there will be some real fear in them.
Agree, and for all the worries that we’re signing too many L1 players, I’m sure fans of those clubs would be happier if they were spending millions on the sort of players we’ve signed.
It’s a gamble but so would spending big wages on older players who might be past their peak and lost some of the energy and/or hunger they previously had.
We were never going to sign proven players who were regulars last season for Championship clubs (aside from those relegated), they would be well out of our price range. What we’ve done should mean we compete and have a chance of staying up as a bare minimum, but if enough settle well and make the step up, we could finish higher.
I went and had a look at our squad from a couple years ago, and there are a horrendous number now in league 2 or non league. Just shows how far we've come, and how important that playoff win was for the direction of the club. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating etc but hopefully this window gives us plenty to enjoy gobbling up.
Nothing to say that in 2 years time you could look at our current squad and see some of them plying their trade in League 2 or below.
Kelman has no pedigree in anything but League 1. Same with Apter and Olaofe. Then there are our Academy players such as TC and Anderson.
As you say......the proof of the pudding is in the eating. I do hope I am eating my words along with a slice of humble pie in 2 years time...but I could also be right.
Shut up you melt
Twattish comment, Golfies comments could well turn out to be true.
As he says he hopes not but going on our past record with players it could easily happen
Twattish? Ouch that really hurts. Consider me told
My issue isn't necessarily with his comments, more the know it all negativity. We've had an unbelievable window, arguably as good as it could have been, but he and a few others will still find a reason to be fucking negative, and deliver it all in a 'I know more than you' tone that really fucks me off.
He's a boring know it all who consistently brings negativity to a conversation and has hilariously been proved wrong on many occasions, sometimes almost instantly (Leaburn scoring twice immediately after he announced 'he's poor, won't score again this year' or something along those lines).
His takes are shite, he's a boring negative melt and I'm going to continue to call him out for it. Even if I'm called Twatish.
Wouldn't have it any other way mind
This says more about you than it does Golfie to be honest.
He might well be naturally more pessimistic than most, sometimes he is proven to be right, most of the time it's not, but I don't remember seeing him come on here to call out another poster in the tone that you have.
He has said this has been a great window, he naturally wants us to do well, but he also naturally leans towards the side of caution and pessimism at times, and I think that is okay too. It brings balance and actual debate to the forum without being offensive.
If his posts and the tone he uses 'really fucks you off', it's not difficult to just scroll passed them and don't read it. I do it with loads of posts most of the time, it's not worth getting hung up about it.
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The issue is that even with all that we're in a league with teams who have got (former) Premier league players and Premier league money available. We've spent enough money that other teams fans are genuinely surprised, yet both of the teams that came up with us have spent EVEN MORE.
I'm positive about our chances but a "good" season for me is safety with a month or two to go.
He might well be naturally more pessimistic than most, sometimes he is proven to be right, most of the time it's not, but I don't remember seeing him come on here to call out another poster in the tone that you have.
He has said this has been a great window, he naturally wants us to do well, but he also naturally leans towards the side of caution and pessimism at times, and I think that is okay too. It brings balance and actual debate to the forum without being offensive.
If his posts and the tone he uses 'really fucks you off', it's not difficult to just scroll passed them and don't read it. I do it with loads of posts most of the time, it's not worth getting hung up about it.
We were never going to sign proven players who were regulars last season for Championship clubs (aside from those relegated), they would be well out of our price range. What we’ve done should mean we compete and have a chance of staying up as a bare minimum, but if enough settle well and make the step up, we could finish higher.