My faith wained briefly after Crawley because that really was rock bottom under his reign, also thought he'd end up going after that match. When he was still in charge at the weekend, I realised that it probably wasn't going to be a quick decision from the owners. So started supporting him again.
I didn't get to watch the Lincoln game, but felt the Mansfield game the following week was the precursor to Northampton and in hindsight you could tell something was changing, and that someone was in for a tonking.
I reckon he will do it with us, it will take some time, but he's proven his worth.
The whole Nathan Jones ordeal has actually taught me a lot, I am far more patient now than I ever was. Thinking back it now seems ridiculous how many people wanted him out.
If I had to break it down with oohah metrics it felt like.
5% - Stay 15% - can see why people want him to go 80% - Out
Or am I overcooking that? It definitely felt that way at games and on here. It would have been one of the biggest mistakes in our clubs history.
In terms of togetherness, cohesion, understanding, all these team work buzzwords, we are the best we have ever been since we left the prem imo.
If we are patient and the board keep backing him, I am fairly confident he can deliver us top flight football.
I think that break down is spot on. I wanted the SMT to be sacked before NJ because I couldn’t imagine them hiring anyone better at the time. Luckily NJ stayed and the SMT were given the boot!
I kept the faith. I thought NJ was clearly a good manager, but we'd fckd up recruitment. I was wrong on that part.
And I understood the criticism of Jones the time, but I didn't have time for anyone saying he'd lost the dressing room. It wasn't coming together, but everyone was still putting in a shift. And that should have been easy enough to see, because our past teams were full of shirkers.
The injuries were ridiculous as well. Take Jones and Ramsay out of our team even now and see what happens to our results!
Well that's a small coincidence, because I was talking to Nicholas about this post in the pub, prior to Saturday's game.
I agree with Nick's post today. I had nearly reached the point of calling "Jones out", except for the fact that I'm thinking we had sacked too many managers and who better could we bring in? Therefore I felt we should stick with him a bit longer.
But without a doubt, at the time, we were playing clueless hoofball over the top of the midfield and had no one playing on the wing and very little creativity.
I can also confirm that Nick and his family follow Charlton home and away and rarely miss a game.
If all Charlton fans were as loyal we'd sell out every game home & away.
I reckon he will do it with us, it will take some time, but he's proven his worth.
The whole Nathan Jones ordeal has actually taught me a lot, I am far more patient now than I ever was. Thinking back it now seems ridiculous how many people wanted him out.
If I had to break it down with oohah metrics it felt like.
5% - Stay 15% - can see why people want him to go 80% - Out
Or am I overcooking that? It definitely felt that way at games and on here. It would have been one of the biggest mistakes in our clubs history.
In terms of togetherness, cohesion, understanding, all these team work buzzwords, we are the best we have ever been since we left the prem imo.
If we are patient and the board keep backing him, I am fairly confident he can deliver us top flight football.
I think this is overstating it a touch. I never wanted him out and thought it would be silly to sack him when we certainly wouldn’t be able to hire a better replacement, but I never commented on the situation as I was more apathetic than anything.
I imagine that’s the same for a lot of people, a lot of people tend to speak up when they’re angry and that skews public perception.
I kept the faith. I thought NJ was clearly a good manager, but we'd fckd up recruitment. I was wrong on that part.
And I understood the criticism of Jones the time, but I didn't have time for anyone saying he'd lost the dressing room. It wasn't coming together, but everyone was still putting in a shift. And that should have been easy enough to see, because our past teams were full of shirkers.
The injuries were ridiculous as well. Take Jones and Ramsay out of our team even now and see what happens to our results!
I would be very grateful if we don't have to try this experiment, thank you very much!
I kept the faith. I thought NJ was clearly a good manager, but we'd fckd up recruitment. I was wrong on that part.
And I understood the criticism of Jones the time, but I didn't have time for anyone saying he'd lost the dressing room. It wasn't coming together, but everyone was still putting in a shift. And that should have been easy enough to see, because our past teams were full of shirkers.
The injuries were ridiculous as well. Take Jones and Ramsay out of our team even now and see what happens to our results!
All about the IFs for all sides, but had those two, and Edwards had stayed fit all season then I reckon we'd have had second in the bag.
The difference in results between Jones being in the team, and out injured alone was ridiculous.
I think it's way too early to be thinking about ditching Jones tbh. Just for once I'd like to see what happens when we let a manager try to work through a problem, rather than just sacking them and hoping the next person in does better.
Just for comparison it's worth looking back at what Wycombe fans thought of Matt Bloomfield at the start of this year:
"I'm gobsmacked so many want to stick with him still. His record is awful, I want to say worst of anyone since we've been a league club, but I'm not sure, but can't be far off."
"I'm not vociferously Bloomfield Out but if there was a magic button to get rid of home without any financial drama, then I'd press it. It's not even the results for me, it's the tedious nature of the football... Previous managers have gone for lesser losing runs and entertainment reasons."
Their board stuck with him and now they're top of the table and the top goal-scorers in the division. He's on a 5-game winning streak and being linked with jobs in the Championship.
Fans always talk about style of football and how much it matters when their team isn't winning but in reality no-one actually cares if you're winning games.
If we were winning under Jones everyone would be loving the "passion, commitment and work rate" and forgetting the rest.
It's no coincidence that the last time people say they enjoyed watching Charlton was in 2019 under Bowyer and before that 2012 under Powell.
Neither of them were or are tactical geniuses - ask fans of other clubs they managed about their tactics and they'll tell you it was poor, because they didn't win.
Ultimately, win games and every football fan can trick themselves into believing the football is good.
I recall a fair few fans on here complaining about the style of play when we won our first three games of the season, AFKA touched on it in a post recently as well and got dozens of likes for it.
You must be misremembering… the entire forum was buzzing after our third win of the season - citing exactly the things I called out. Desire, commitment, hard work…
Try reading the match thread rather than the post match thread and you'll find that there were plenty of dissenting voices. People revise their opinions post-match to take account of the result, but that does not mean that they are satisfied whilst watching.
Retrospectively, most people aren't too bothered if we win. In the moment, they absolutely are.
Is this not proving my point a bit? People were finding reason to moan about the performance because we weren’t winning. Bet if you check the post match thread here you wouldn’t find many negative comments.
“Deserved win” “superb second half” “I like the application and desire”
Similarly, I read that I chose a “bad game” to reference against Bolton because it was our “best of the season”.
Was it? How did we play any differently? Nathan Jones didn’t set us up to be all conquering ball playing maestros for one match and then abandon it. The tactics would’ve been the same, or very similar, as usual. We all enjoyed it because it produced a result.
Repeat a question from before.
What point are you making here Callum? As I’m not clear. It feels like you are defending Jones, his style, and his outcomes merely for the sake of being contrary.
Do you believe in his tactics/ philosophy and do you think he will succeed?
I’m saying the style of play argument would disappear as soon as we win a few games and therefore it’s a weak argument against Jones compared to just being honest and saying you don’t like that we’re not winning.
People see negatives when we don’t get results and they see the positives when we do get results. Ben Garner set up with the opposite style to NJ (surely this is the type of manager we want if we want attacking football) and still got panned by fans - because we stopped winning games.
There is no right or wrong way to play football and only results tend to matter.
And yes, I do believe that the way Jones intends to have our team play can get results and can be successful. It’s not been so successful lately (over a period of less than two months) but I’m willing to give him more time.
I certainly admire your optimism Callum but sadly I don’t think many share it .
Take away the 'm'.
I share it
I was with Callum.... but didn't fancy the pellets he was getting... so stayed low key. I definitely wavered after Crawley, mind
I kept the faith. I thought NJ was clearly a good manager, but we'd fckd up recruitment. I was wrong on that part.
And I understood the criticism of Jones the time, but I didn't have time for anyone saying he'd lost the dressing room. It wasn't coming together, but everyone was still putting in a shift. And that should have been easy enough to see, because our past teams were full of shirkers.
The injuries were ridiculous as well. Take Jones and Ramsay out of our team even now and see what happens to our results!
When we are safe (can’t piss about in the Championship)
I kept the faith. I thought NJ was clearly a good manager, but we'd fckd up recruitment. I was wrong on that part.
And I understood the criticism of Jones the time, but I didn't have time for anyone saying he'd lost the dressing room. It wasn't coming together, but everyone was still putting in a shift. And that should have been easy enough to see, because our past teams were full of shirkers.
The injuries were ridiculous as well. Take Jones and Ramsay out of our team even now and see what happens to our results!
All about the IFs for all sides, but had those two, and Edwards had stayed fit all season then I reckon we'd have had second in the bag.
The difference in results between Jones being in the team, and out injured alone was ridiculous.
Yep easily, I also think our evolution as a side would have happened much quicker. It was clear the plan was to sort the defence out first, and then go from that solid base to something a bit more fluid. Jones talked about it all the time. Those injuries halted the progress and it would have been absolutely criminal to sack him before he got those players back for at least a few games
To be clear, this thread wasn’t bumped after the Bristol City game to rub anyone’s noses in it. Certainly not trying to get one over people who are die hard Charlton fans and have been going home and away for years - lots of respect for anyone who’s done that over the last couple of decades.
The reason I use this thread is kind of simple. I just now think of this to be the de facto thread for Nathan Jones / Charlton’s journey under Nathan Jones now.
Hopefully we keep discussing on this thread when we’re in the Premier League
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I didn't get to watch the Lincoln game, but felt the Mansfield game the following week was the precursor to Northampton and in hindsight you could tell something was changing, and that someone was in for a tonking.
I agree with Nick's post today.
I had nearly reached the point of calling "Jones out", except for the fact that I'm thinking we had sacked too many managers and who better could we bring in?
Therefore I felt we should stick with him a bit longer.
But without a doubt, at the time, we were playing clueless hoofball over the top of the midfield and had no one playing on the wing and very little creativity.
I can also confirm that Nick and his family follow Charlton home and away and rarely miss a game.
If all Charlton fans were as loyal we'd sell out every game home & away.
I think this is overstating it a touch. I never wanted him out and thought it would be silly to sack him when we certainly wouldn’t be able to hire a better replacement, but I never commented on the situation as I was more apathetic than anything.
The difference in results between Jones being in the team, and out injured alone was ridiculous.
Hopefully we keep discussing on this thread when we’re in the Premier League