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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Millwall: Saturday 13th September 2025: KO 12:30pm

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  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296
    Should have won but didn’t big worry as to where our goals are going to come from. 
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,442
    Did you know the Millwall online forum actually has a thread dedicated to this very forum.

    We mean nothing to them?
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,325
    Michaelmon said:
    Braziliance said:
    Terrible away fans btw as per, heard better support from Northampton, Oxford United, Wycombe etc. Didn't make a peep until Ramsay got sent off and then just did their usual nonsense when they got their usual gifted hoodoo.

    3000 of them and can't even generate an atmosphere for a London Derby. 
    My season ticket is middle of the east stand so feel I can give a pretty fair review of Covered End vs Jimmy Seed.

    Covered End by a mile. Easily the quietest Jimmy Seed of the season so far
    Takes some doing as well as Watford and particularly Leicester were fairly mute.

    My little cousins mate sat West Central said they were poor so I had a feeling that would be the general consensus.

    Ah well, at least they opened a gate and charged at people who want nothing to do with football violence. I am sure they'll be happy with that.
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,456
    Truth is they were shit scared they were going to lose, and when they eventually had the game gifted to them thanks to Kayne's silly red card, they were so relieved they all woke up at the same time, useless club with useless fans...
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,955
    The Red Robin said:

    Leaburn either isn’t interested, is lazy, or injured. Absolutely zero effort to close the initial attack down which led to their goal. I would bet he’s off in January and that a deal is already done. 
    How much will you bet?
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,955
    soapboxsam said:
    Genuinely feel sick as as soon as Ramsey jumped in it was a nailed on 2nd card.
    We were cruising and only negative subs could cost us the win. We basically said we will just defend against an average Millwall side 

    Ramsey has had enough praise on here so his brain freeze cost us a 'comfortable' win. When Kayne makes a mistake no one normally notices because he has the class to rescue his self but no hiding place today.

    Gutted for the players and personally thought we invited Millwall on with the subs and there was confusion who was picking up which players.

    It feels like a defeat but we have been decent in every match bar QPR.
    We'll never know, but I agree that we invited Millwall on by subbing our attacking players.
    It's one of the things I like about Jones that he doesn't usually do this.
    It reminded me of the late Powell era, when we did that regularly and very often conceded late goals.
  • Blucher
    Blucher Posts: 4,135
    edited September 14

    I feel that I’ve just about recovered from the gut punch of that late equaliser. There’ll be other opportunities to beat this lot but, shorn of four of their first 11, this was a particularly good chance to do so and, more importantly, to garner 3 precious points in this highly competitive division. The YouTube video and pictures of their pond life - and ours - posted elsewhere are depressing and that feeling was exacerbated by a number of idiots on the concourse at Waterloo, both pre and post-match. 

    It was a predictably scrappy and frenetic first half but we certainly got on top as the game progressed and deserved the half-time lead following Sonny Carey’s fine strike. I suppose that two teams who play long balls and close down aggressively was never going to be a classic but we certainly did it better than them in that first period. Tyreece Campbell was dangerous throughout with his pace and trickery, whilst Carey’s all round performance was exceptionally good - this guy is certainly going to score goals for us from midfield.

    We started the second half well but couldn’t find that second goal. Millwall did begin to get back into the game but Ramsey’s red card was the pivotal moment. If we had kept 11 men on the field, I think we’d have probably - albeit not certainly - won the game. The difficulty facing us after the dismissal was that we dropped off 10 metres and allowed Millwall to dominate  the midfield and play in our half. It’s a game where we could have done with introducing Anderson’s energy, pace and tenacity from the bench in order to plug the gaps.

    As others have said, Millwall were unimpressive, save for Cooper at the back and the left winger. In fairness, they also passed the ball reasonably well in midfield but their strikers were toothless. They’ll be delighted to have come away with something given their level of performance.

    On to the next one - a pity Selles couldn’t have survived another week.

  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 50,974
    Covered End said:
    soapboxsam said:
    Genuinely feel sick as as soon as Ramsey jumped in it was a nailed on 2nd card.
    We were cruising and only negative subs could cost us the win. We basically said we will just defend against an average Millwall side 

    Ramsey has had enough praise on here so his brain freeze cost us a 'comfortable' win. When Kayne makes a mistake no one normally notices because he has the class to rescue his self but no hiding place today.

    Gutted for the players and personally thought we invited Millwall on with the subs and there was confusion who was picking up which players.

    It feels like a defeat but we have been decent in every match bar QPR.
    We'll never know, but I agree that we invited Millwall on by subbing our attacking players.
    It's one of the things I like about Jones that he doesn't usually do this.
    It reminded me of the late Powell era, when we did that regularly and very often conceded late goals.
    I think he learnt by the QPR game that too much pressing can lead to defeat
  • th0rryy
    th0rryy Posts: 360
    Really disappointed by the result and what feels like the inevitability of the footballing gods deciding to curse our fortunes in this fixture.

    We kept them to practically nothing in the first half and everything went to plan. We made them look pretty poor and kept the Jimmy Seed very quiet. Lovely to see Carey get a goal to reward his good play, but I just felt the second half was always going to be nervy. Jonesball is designed to play on such tight margins and one moment of poor decision-making was the throwing away the good play that preceded it. I don't really know what Ramsay was thinking - forgetting that he was on a card, a rush of adrenaline - but it just felt as soon as we went to 10 the writing was even more indelibly on the wall.

    For what it's worth, we should have beaten another established Championship side at home. Better performances from a number of players that have seen criticism. We're just not going to score 2-3 playing this way, but we cannot keep dropping points like this, particularly at home. This result adds to the continual dosage of harsh reality to anyone who thought this season is going to be comfortable.

    I think we are good enough to stay up, but we will need to string a few more results together, particularly at home. Individual moments of madness by us and brilliance against us have meant dropped points that will drag us down over the longer term. I still think we are yet to click going forward and we need to find better patterns of play in midfield that generate chances for the likes of Kelman. I really don't know if this needs a slightly adjusted system or not, but I can't confidently say I feel like we've found our best 11 yet.

    There's no gimmes in this league. Typical that Sheff Utd sack Selles before we go there next week, too. sigh
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,955
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    Only 5 games played and in all honesty, we could have won all five with a fair wind. Having said that, we haven't had a fair wind. Even though we were not at our best against QPR, the ref ducked a definite sending off and today, the ref didn't. What we are seeing is that we have shown we belong at this level but it is now more about moments and we need them to work for us and we need to get better at making them work for us. But it is early days and we have to keep at it. There is no way Millwall would have got anything from today if Ramsay didn't have that rush of blood to the head but he will learn from it..
    I remember us getting relegated from the top division in the late 80's, when we played at Selhurst Park.

    Most weeks I thought we were equal to or better than the opposition, yet we struggled to score and mostly got beaten by the opposition's clinical finishing.
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  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    carly burn said:
    Did you know the Millwall online forum actually has a thread dedicated to this very forum.

    We mean nothing to them?
    Don’t worry, they can’t read. 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,955
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    Ramsay will know he cost us the win. He is very much in credit so hey ho. It is frustrating as he didn't need to go for that challenge but it was a highly charged derby and that may have been a factor. What was frustrating is Millwall are shit. I summed them up a few weeks ago and got some lols but I am right and I am sure we are going to finish above them. Lol as much as you like but let me throw them back at you with good grace when I am proven right.
    We need to remember that half their team were out injured.
  • paulsturgess
    paulsturgess Posts: 3,793
    Covered End said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    Only 5 games played and in all honesty, we could have won all five with a fair wind. Having said that, we haven't had a fair wind. Even though we were not at our best against QPR, the ref ducked a definite sending off and today, the ref didn't. What we are seeing is that we have shown we belong at this level but it is now more about moments and we need them to work for us and we need to get better at making them work for us. But it is early days and we have to keep at it. There is no way Millwall would have got anything from today if Ramsay didn't have that rush of blood to the head but he will learn from it..
    I remember us getting relegated from the top division in the late 80's, when we played at Selhurst Park.

    Most weeks I thought we were equal to or better than the opposition, yet we struggled to score and mostly got beaten by the opposition's clinical finishing.
    98/99 was the same. Countless games I remember bemoaning our rotten luck, losing 0-1 late on to Man U and Villa both at home particularly stand out in mind.

    We have some decent players and a solid side but our budget doesn’t bring you the quality for X factor moments like Fatewu for Leicester. 

    We’ve competed well in all the games but there’s very far from enough to assume we’re gonna be fine. Only 3 scrambled goals in 5 games and few chances beyond that is a warning sign that we need to address if we’re gonna be okay. 
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,254
    Just seen the footage of one of their fan’s who was in the east stand who tried to join them all when they equalised and was getting punched as they thought he was one of ours 😂

    They can absolutely hold the run over us, we can’t argue, but I’ll always chuckle at how many divs they have among their population.  Definitely a high div to fan ratio than most 
  • WrightCharlie
    WrightCharlie Posts: 742
    When the ball squirted out from the first challenge Ramsay made and they were both on the ground I was thinking/expecting him to be first to the loose ball as that's what I've become used to, Ramsay winning the ball on either the first or the second tackle, he's been so reliable at that. I was surprised he was up second and the Millwall guy got the ball before him....... maybe he was a bit 'lazy' getting up, maybe he got the red mist and lunged in where he shouldn't or maybe something else....... but like Miles I think he's still learning at this new higher level...... and although I was really disappointed at their late goal yesterday I still think we're seeing enough to be confident of staying in this division for next season.
    To my mind no-one so far has overwhelmed us, far from it actually. I'm enjoying our ability to compete and our fans ability to more than compete in the singing stakes. 
    Bit of a shout out to Doc, on what I saw yesterday I'm more convinced than I have been so far that he is a worthy pick in our midfield.
    I do so wish we'd have won but I'm so so glad we didn't lose......... and tbh it never looked to me like we were ever likely to lose that one.
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,821
    WrightCharlie said:
    When the ball squirted out from the first challenge Ramsay made and they were both on the ground I was thinking/expecting him to be first to the loose ball as that's what I've become used to, Ramsay winning the ball on either the first or the second tackle, he's been so reliable at that. I was surprised he was up second and the Millwall guy got the ball before him....... maybe he was a bit 'lazy' getting up, maybe he got the red mist and lunged in where he shouldn't or maybe something else....... but like Miles I think he's still learning at this new higher level...... and although I was really disappointed at their late goal yesterday I still think we're seeing enough to be confident of staying in this division for next season.
    To my mind no-one so far has overwhelmed us, far from it actually. I'm enjoying our ability to compete and our fans ability to more than compete in the singing stakes. 
    Bit of a shout out to Doc, on what I saw yesterday I'm more convinced than I have been so far that he is a worthy pick in our midfield.
    I do so wish we'd have won but I'm so so glad we didn't lose......... and tbh it never looked to me like we were ever likely to lose that one.
    Their bloke fell on KRs head and he lost sight of the ball. I think his first instinct when he got up was to make sure he was back in a defensive position, then he realised the ball was still there to be won.
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296
    Certainly for the relative short term we will
    not have a better opportunity to beat them they had a lot of injuries and really weren’t very good and were there for the taking to be 1-0 up on 87 minutes it’s gutting to of not seen it out. 
  • BigDiddy
    BigDiddy Posts: 1,188
    Millwall's squad is worth 3 times more than ours as per the list below.

    Let's keep this in perspective - if we stay up this season, that will be brilliant, so our fans moaning as we do after a result is not facing reality.

    Championship squad values compare as it stands, according to data from Transfermarkt.
    Southampton, £193.4 million
    Leicester City, £180.8 million
    Ipswich Town, £146.2 million
    Sheffield United, £105.6 million
    Coventry City, £86.3 million
    Norwich City, £77.8 million
    Middlesbrough, £70.2 million
    Birmingham City, £66.6 million
    Bristol City, £53.3 million
    Hull City, £50.0 million
    West Brom, £47.2 million
    Watford, £40.1 million
    Swansea City, £38.1 million
    Stoke City, £36.9 million
    QPR, £35.8 million
    Blackburn Rovers, £32.6 million
    Preston North End, £30.0 million
    Millwall, £29.4 million
    Oxford United, £21.7 million
    Derby County, £20.1 million
    Portsmouth, £16.4 million
    Sheffield Wednesday, £16.3 million
    Wrexham, £15.2 million
    Charlton Athletic, £10.3 million
  • cafc_se7
    cafc_se7 Posts: 2,271
    Laddick01 said:
    Wasn’t even close to winning the ball.One of the most stupid moments I’ve seen from a player

    The only matchup we lost today until the 78th minute was their winger on Ramsay. Two poor games from him now and I’d keep him out the side for a bit.

    Wveryone else, quality. Kelman so much better today. Campbell class.
    Are you actually having a laugh! I’m sorry but you clearly have no idea! If this is a whoosh moment then fair play to you but if not….maybe think about counting to10 before you make your next post match comment! 

    Kayne Ramsay is the one player in our side who I would say could comfortably play premiership football! 

    Absolute madness! 
  • Gisappointed
    Gisappointed Posts: 985
    £10.3m is what we spent this window minimum. I doubt Miles, TC or Ramsay would be worth less than £5m each, Jones and Edwards £3m.
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  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,141
    cabbles said:
    Just seen the footage of one of their fan’s who was in the east stand who tried to join them all when they equalised and was getting punched as they thought he was one of ours 😂

    They can absolutely hold the run over us, we can’t argue, but I’ll always chuckle at how many cnuts they have among their population.  Definitely a high cnut to fan ratio than most 

  • Stuart_Learys_Boots
    Stuart_Learys_Boots Posts: 89
    It occurs to me that we are still finding our feet at this level. But we are holding our own. I expect that by playing more skilful (currently) players that we will learn and evolve into a better team. 
    The one area we are struggling is up front but we have Godden to return still to add to that. 
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,141
    First game of season for me (glory boy) and it was a game where neither keeper had fuck all to do .
    The scum were there to be beaten , ravaged by injuries ,apparently,  so I wouldn’t hold that dog shit performance by them as a sign of what they’ll be like all season .
    A theme of this season is we’re doing well but not getting results , that can wash for a bit but the only thing that matters is results and who can score more in the game and 3 in 5 shows we don’t have enough guile in the final third so far .
    Ive always said Berry was too clever for most of our players last year hopefully with the improved ‘quality’,we have that may change and Godden again is badly missed .
    Bell won the motm in the lounge and when I said I think we’ll stay up he said “100% we will stay up” and seemed a nice cool fella.
    When Ramsay got booked I said to my sons (obviously I’m always leaning negative) “that will cost us the game he’s not been that sharp today” then as time got late I said “we’re now entering Millwall time “ (spawny late goal cnuts) and 15 seconds later they scored .
    I reckon I body pop for the whole game against them , I can’t sit still , fucking hate them with a passion even though I have best mates in the Jimmy Seed cheering that filth on.
    i thought atmosphere wasn’t great from either set of fans with the early kick off and general chuffness of the game adding to that.
    Boffin had no interest in going to the game preferring it to slum in Brum before returning Sunday for cricket .
    The rest of em now know why the scum are named that .
    Gonna be a graft of a season and 21st will be a result for this so far impotent team but as last season shows it can change but previous performances are no guarantee of future ones .


    0%     Top 2
    0%      Play offs 
    12%      7th-12th
    63%      13th-21st
    25%       Relegation 
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,456
    edited September 15
    I still feel we'll finish top half, so one of those 12%...
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    It’s not a bad shout to give Berry a chance at least but can’t see it coming. Not sure if I’ve missed that he’s picked up a knock but Anderson wasn’t even on the bench. Could have done with his energy in midfield with ten men. 
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,456
    edited September 15
    eastterrace6168 said:
    I still feel we'll finish top half, so one of those 12%...
    So I say effectivley we could finish 12th or top half, and I get a LOL...
    Ok, so 13th would be a Like would it because apparently 63% feel that way???
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,141
    Only seen it mentioned once elsewhere , thought the fireworks being set off after our goal was funny .
    Also the scums disallowed goal, wtf was the ref waiting for after the fella hand balled it , brilliant for us to see the 90% of them start celebrating but utterly bizarre him not just blowing immediately. Could he have been advised in the earpiece from 4th official 🤷‍♂️
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,322
    The Red Robin said:
    It’s not a bad shout to give Berry a chance at least but can’t see it coming. Not sure if I’ve missed that he’s picked up a knock but Anderson wasn’t even on the bench. Could have done with his energy in midfield with ten men. 
    Berry's coming back from injury.  Anderson serving a ban for a red card.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,322
    oohaahmortimer said:
    Only seen it mentioned once elsewhere , thought the fireworks being set off after our goal was funny .
    Also the scums disallowed goal, wtf was the ref waiting for after the fella hand balled it , brilliant for us to see the 90% of them start celebrating but utterly bizarre him not just blowing immediately. Could he have been advised in the earpiece from 4th official 🤷‍♂️
    It was a strange one, because, I think he actually did whistle and signal immediately for the handball.  But the hand signal for a goal and for a free kick to the defending side are very similar (both are a hand outstretched).  So both teams, as well as the knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers in the JS Stand thought, initially, it was a goal. 
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,456
    Chizz said:
    oohaahmortimer said:
    Only seen it mentioned once elsewhere , thought the fireworks being set off after our goal was funny .
    Also the scums disallowed goal, wtf was the ref waiting for after the fella hand balled it , brilliant for us to see the 90% of them start celebrating but utterly bizarre him not just blowing immediately. Could he have been advised in the earpiece from 4th official 🤷‍♂️
    It was a strange one, because, I think he actually did whistle and signal immediately for the handball.  But the hand signal for a goal and for a free kick to the defending side are very similar (both are a hand outstretched).  So both teams, as well as the knuckle-dragging mouth-breathers in the JS Stand thought, initially, it was a goal. 
    The ref did seem to wait for the "goal" to be scored before he whistled for the free kick, rather than straight away...

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