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  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 10,999
    CaptainRobbo said:
    thenewbie said:
    Godden is definitely benefitting from the adage that everyone looks better when they aren't playing - not that he's not a good player and maybe we would be a point or two better off but I'm not convinced he's the elixir that some people seem to believe.

    All of our strikers have to different degrees struggled to make the step up (so far), I really don't think that Godden would somehow be the exception - he's only ever had one really decent season in the Championship and that was three or 4 years ago with more mileage/injuries since then.
    Apart from Leaburn hitting the woodwork, can you remember another chance we have supplied to any striker. The formation we play makes us hard to score against, but rarely makes for attacking free flowing football.
    We definitely need better delivery from corners and free kicks. Hopefully Bree can supply some of that.
    I think the argument would be that Godden can potentially fashion chances for himself which is something our other strikers don't seem to be doing so far.

    While I totally get the logic, I'm not convinced it holds up. Godden is another year older and in a higher division, I don't think he's going to be as effective/successful as he was last year.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,817
    thenewbie said:
    CaptainRobbo said:
    thenewbie said:
    Godden is definitely benefitting from the adage that everyone looks better when they aren't playing - not that he's not a good player and maybe we would be a point or two better off but I'm not convinced he's the elixir that some people seem to believe.

    All of our strikers have to different degrees struggled to make the step up (so far), I really don't think that Godden would somehow be the exception - he's only ever had one really decent season in the Championship and that was three or 4 years ago with more mileage/injuries since then.
    Apart from Leaburn hitting the woodwork, can you remember another chance we have supplied to any striker. The formation we play makes us hard to score against, but rarely makes for attacking free flowing football.
    We definitely need better delivery from corners and free kicks. Hopefully Bree can supply some of that.
    I think the argument would be that Godden can potentially fashion chances for himself which is something our other strikers don't seem to be doing so far.

    While I totally get the logic, I'm not convinced it holds up. Godden is another year older and in a higher division, I don't think he's going to be as effective/successful as he was last year.
    Neither will any of our other strikers, none of whom have done it in the Championship.

    And Godden is craftier, I bet he would have won more free kicks against Cooper, as he knows how to position himself to draw the foul.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,359
    thenewbie said:
    CaptainRobbo said:
    thenewbie said:
    Godden is definitely benefitting from the adage that everyone looks better when they aren't playing - not that he's not a good player and maybe we would be a point or two better off but I'm not convinced he's the elixir that some people seem to believe.

    All of our strikers have to different degrees struggled to make the step up (so far), I really don't think that Godden would somehow be the exception - he's only ever had one really decent season in the Championship and that was three or 4 years ago with more mileage/injuries since then.
    Apart from Leaburn hitting the woodwork, can you remember another chance we have supplied to any striker. The formation we play makes us hard to score against, but rarely makes for attacking free flowing football.
    We definitely need better delivery from corners and free kicks. Hopefully Bree can supply some of that.
    I think the argument would be that Godden can potentially fashion chances for himself which is something our other strikers don't seem to be doing so far.

    While I totally get the logic, I'm not convinced it holds up. Godden is another year older and in a higher division, I don't think he's going to be as effective/successful as he was last year.
    Godden needs still service though, he’s a poacher, not a tricky dribbler who creates goals out of nothing.

    There’s an argument we’d create more/better chances as his hold up play, intelligence etc helps the team, but I’m not completely convinced he’ll look as effective with it at Championship level.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    Old enough to remember a lot here saying he wouldn’t get in the team anymore with these signings. 
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 10,999
    The Red Robin said:
    Old enough to remember a lot here saying he wouldn’t get in the team anymore with these signings. 
    He still may not. The clamour for his being in the squad is entirely due to dissatisfaction with other players and not what he has actually done (in the Championship.)

    There's every chance that even if he does come into the squad we don't suddenly start scoring more goals.

  • ateamofcorygibbs
    ateamofcorygibbs Posts: 1,193
    Seems like we actually won quite a lot of free kicks in good areas against both QPR and Millwall (mostly from TC) but the delivery has been generally poor

    Would like to see Godden back for sure, but as others have said it will be a step up for him as well so not a guaranteed solution!
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,011
    thenewbie said:
    The Red Robin said:
    Old enough to remember a lot here saying he wouldn’t get in the team anymore with these signings. 
    He still may not. The clamour for his being in the squad is entirely due to dissatisfaction with other players and not what he has actually done (in the Championship.)

    There's every chance that even if he does come into the squad we don't suddenly start scoring more goals.

    You seem to be pushing this narrative very hard, but it's only part of the story. The other side to it is that he was our best striker last season, netting 18 times in 41 appearances, including the crucial winning goal that got us to Wembley. He didn't do that by fluke, he did it because he's a very good player. Sure this division is a lot tougher and I don't think anyone is naïve to think he'll score at the same rate as last time out, but I'm not sure I share the need to dash people's hopes before he's even had a chance. 
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    Godden will score goals - but he’ll still need better service and support. 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 10,948
    One thing that doesn't often get noted is that he's so useful for set pieces. He's rarely going to win the first ball but he distracts a defender and finds pockets of space, particularly off long throws. Was it Birmingham at home that he found space and scored from an Edwards throw in front of the Covered End?
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  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,359
    Stig said:
    thenewbie said:
    The Red Robin said:
    Old enough to remember a lot here saying he wouldn’t get in the team anymore with these signings. 
    He still may not. The clamour for his being in the squad is entirely due to dissatisfaction with other players and not what he has actually done (in the Championship.)

    There's every chance that even if he does come into the squad we don't suddenly start scoring more goals.

    You seem to be pushing this narrative very hard, but it's only part of the story. The other side to it is that he was our best striker last season, netting 18 times in 41 appearances, including the crucial winning goal that got us to Wembley. He didn't do that by fluke, he did it because he's a very good player. Sure this division is a lot tougher and I don't think anyone is naïve to think he'll score at the same rate as last time out, but I'm not sure I share the need to dash people's hopes before he's even had a chance. 
    True, but Kelman scored 21 in the league last season for Orient and Leaburn is a good player whose main problem has been injuries, it’s not as if we’ve had poor alternatives to Godden who aren’t capable of scoring goals.

    All of them can if the service is there. It’s not so much dashing people’s hopes, it’s disagreeing about putting the blame on the strikers who’ve played instead of Godden. The rest of the team need to create better chances for the strikers, as well as the strikers doing more to help with that and taking the chances they get.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    I’m not sure how it would work but I’d love to see a team with two upfront + Campbell. Maybe it’s Campbell as a ten, or a variation of a 4-4-2 with Campbell on a wing. 
  • raytreacy
    raytreacy Posts: 54
    I believe he has scored about thirty goals in the Championship for Coventry. He is more than capable of scoring in this division with the right service. I am not convinced with Kelman but it is early days. We are a bit powderpuff at the moment.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 10,948
    The Red Robin said:
    I’m not sure how it would work but I’d love to see a team with two upfront + Campbell. Maybe it’s Campbell as a ten, or a variation of a 4-4-2 with Campbell on a wing. 
    The only way to play a 442 variant in the Champ is what Millwall do and that's have one "winger" tuck in to make a 3 out of possession and even then they still got outplayed by our 3. But basically you have to lose either TC or Apter. Blackpool actually played a system like it last year with Carey as the left sided midfielder and Apter as more of a traditional winger you would have seen before 442 fell out of fashion. 

    I totally get the instinct to play 2 + TC but I really struggle to see how you balance the rest of the squad. He doesn't have the midfield instincts to play in the 10 in the way that Carey or Berry do
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 10,999
    Stig said:
    thenewbie said:
    The Red Robin said:
    Old enough to remember a lot here saying he wouldn’t get in the team anymore with these signings. 
    He still may not. The clamour for his being in the squad is entirely due to dissatisfaction with other players and not what he has actually done (in the Championship.)

    There's every chance that even if he does come into the squad we don't suddenly start scoring more goals.

    You seem to be pushing this narrative very hard, but it's only part of the story. The other side to it is that he was our best striker last season, netting 18 times in 41 appearances, including the crucial winning goal that got us to Wembley. He didn't do that by fluke, he did it because he's a very good player. Sure this division is a lot tougher and I don't think anyone is naïve to think he'll score at the same rate as last time out, but I'm not sure I share the need to dash people's hopes before he's even had a chance. 
    It's not about dashing anyones hopes, and it's not that I don't rate Godden either - I think he's a terrific player and having him back genuinely will be a boost.

    But I'm just countering the other narrative that seems to be that Godden coming back into the side will start turning losses into draws and draws into wins. It will HELP for sure but its much too simplistic to assume that one player is suddenly going to turn things around.
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 10,999
    raytreacy said:
    I believe he has scored about thirty goals in the Championship for Coventry. He is more than capable of scoring in this division with the right service. I am not convinced with Kelman but it is early days. We are a bit powderpuff at the moment.
    32 goals, over 4 seasons. So he can score at this level but he's hardly prolific, 12 was his best ever season. There's more to his game than goals of course but goals are specifically what we're lacking and he's unlikely to be the solution to that specific issue.
  • raytreacy
    raytreacy Posts: 54
    thenewbie said:
    raytreacy said:
    I believe he has scored about thirty goals in the Championship for Coventry. He is more than capable of scoring in this division with the right service. I am not convinced with Kelman but it is early days. We are a bit powderpuff at the moment.
    32 goals, over 4 seasons. So he can score at this level but he's hardly prolific, 12 was his best ever season. There's more to his game than goals of course but goals are specifically what we're lacking and he's unlikely to be the solution to that specific issue.
    How many goals do you think Leaburn, Campbell. Olaofe and Kelman are going to score this Season? Godden will outscore all of these players, if he can get fit. 
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 10,999
    raytreacy said:
    thenewbie said:
    raytreacy said:
    I believe he has scored about thirty goals in the Championship for Coventry. He is more than capable of scoring in this division with the right service. I am not convinced with Kelman but it is early days. We are a bit powderpuff at the moment.
    32 goals, over 4 seasons. So he can score at this level but he's hardly prolific, 12 was his best ever season. There's more to his game than goals of course but goals are specifically what we're lacking and he's unlikely to be the solution to that specific issue.
    How many goals do you think Leaburn, Campbell. Olaofe and Kelman are going to score this Season? Godden will outscore all of these players, if he can get fit. 
    Yes but that's exactly my point, NONE of the strikers are looking like being very prolific. Godden usually gets 6-8 goals at this level. We need ALL of them to be doing similar numbers or one of them (be it Godden or any other) to have a freakishly good season or we'll be in big trouble.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    fenaddick said:
    The Red Robin said:
    I’m not sure how it would work but I’d love to see a team with two upfront + Campbell. Maybe it’s Campbell as a ten, or a variation of a 4-4-2 with Campbell on a wing. 
    The only way to play a 442 variant in the Champ is what Millwall do and that's have one "winger" tuck in to make a 3 out of possession and even then they still got outplayed by our 3. But basically you have to lose either TC or Apter. Blackpool actually played a system like it last year with Carey as the left sided midfielder and Apter as more of a traditional winger you would have seen before 442 fell out of fashion. 

    I totally get the instinct to play 2 + TC but I really struggle to see how you balance the rest of the squad. He doesn't have the midfield instincts to play in the 10 in the way that Carey or Berry do
    That’s interesting, thanks. Yeah, it’s not really viable, which is why I get why Jones has gone for the system we have. Others before him tried and failed to play Leaburn wide in a front three.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,277
    Scoham said:
    Stig said:
    thenewbie said:
    The Red Robin said:
    Old enough to remember a lot here saying he wouldn’t get in the team anymore with these signings. 
    He still may not. The clamour for his being in the squad is entirely due to dissatisfaction with other players and not what he has actually done (in the Championship.)

    There's every chance that even if he does come into the squad we don't suddenly start scoring more goals.

    You seem to be pushing this narrative very hard, but it's only part of the story. The other side to it is that he was our best striker last season, netting 18 times in 41 appearances, including the crucial winning goal that got us to Wembley. He didn't do that by fluke, he did it because he's a very good player. Sure this division is a lot tougher and I don't think anyone is naïve to think he'll score at the same rate as last time out, but I'm not sure I share the need to dash people's hopes before he's even had a chance. 
    True, but Kelman scored 21 in the league last season for Orient and Leaburn is a good player whose main problem has been injuries, it’s not as if we’ve had poor alternatives to Godden who aren’t capable of scoring goals.

    All of them can if the service is there. It’s not so much dashing people’s hopes, it’s disagreeing about putting the blame on the strikers who’ve played instead of Godden. The rest of the team need to create better chances for the strikers, as well as the strikers doing more to help with that and taking the chances they get.
    Godden scored his 18 goals playing in this setup and style though. If we had Kelman instead of Godden last season I think he’d have scored less. Godden’s link up play, aerial ability are way ahead of Kelman’s, we will retain possession and get up the pitch better and therefore be in the position to create chances and score more often with him on the pitch vs with Kelman on. 

    Before the play off final, would any of us have swapped Kelman for Godden, of course not, so for me Godden is an obvious first choice when he’s back 
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  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,978
    A lot of posts about how many goals he will or won't get if fit........but when is he actually going to be fit? Not sure i've seen anything about his expected comeback date.
  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 579
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    A lot of posts about how many goals he will or won't get if fit........but when is he actually going to be fit? Not sure i've seen anything about his expected comeback date.
    He's on the grass, whatever that means 
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 50,974
    CaptainRobbo said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    A lot of posts about how many goals he will or won't get if fit........but when is he actually going to be fit? Not sure i've seen anything about his expected comeback date.
    He's on the grass, whatever that means 
    It means he is a lot happier 😁
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,156
    thenewbie said:
    raytreacy said:
    I believe he has scored about thirty goals in the Championship for Coventry. He is more than capable of scoring in this division with the right service. I am not convinced with Kelman but it is early days. We are a bit powderpuff at the moment.
    32 goals, over 4 seasons. So he can score at this level but he's hardly prolific, 12 was his best ever season. There's more to his game than goals of course but goals are specifically what we're lacking and he's unlikely to be the solution to that specific issue.
    12 goals for a team looking to just stay up, maybe push towards midtable if possible is a great return. We're not a team who are going to be relying on a 20 goal striker like we were when we were expecting to push for promotion in L1. 6 goals from him and the rest of our strikers, maybe 10-12 from one in a good season is pretty much what Curbs relied on before we brought Bent in. Godden tends to go on little runs of goalscoring and once he's back if he can do that in a clump then we'll pick up enough wins to be safe. It's the same with Kelman, Leaburn, TC and Olaofe, if two of them get 5 or 6 each and the others 3 then that will match roughly what you're expecting from a newly promoted team trying to survive. We need to get the strikers scoring but even then we're in the Championship, it's going to be low scoring from each player as it always has been for a team in our position
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 10,999
    edited September 16
    Garrymanilow said:
    thenewbie said:
    raytreacy said:
    I believe he has scored about thirty goals in the Championship for Coventry. He is more than capable of scoring in this division with the right service. I am not convinced with Kelman but it is early days. We are a bit powderpuff at the moment.
    32 goals, over 4 seasons. So he can score at this level but he's hardly prolific, 12 was his best ever season. There's more to his game than goals of course but goals are specifically what we're lacking and he's unlikely to be the solution to that specific issue.
    12 goals for a team looking to just stay up, maybe push towards midtable if possible is a great return. We're not a team who are going to be relying on a 20 goal striker like we were when we were expecting to push for promotion in L1. 6 goals from him and the rest of our strikers, maybe 10-12 from one in a good season is pretty much what Curbs relied on before we brought Bent in. Godden tends to go on little runs of goalscoring and once he's back if he can do that in a clump then we'll pick up enough wins to be safe. It's the same with Kelman, Leaburn, TC and Olaofe, if two of them get 5 or 6 each and the others 3 then that will match roughly what you're expecting from a newly promoted team trying to survive. We need to get the strikers scoring but even then we're in the Championship, it's going to be low scoring from each player as it always has been for a team in our position
    I am actually in agreement, I think my other posts came across more critical of Godden specifically than intended.

    What I was trying to say was actually something very similar to this - Godden coming back will absolutely benefit the team and he absolutely is a good player. But he's not s good that him being back/in the team is enough on its own. If/when he does come back and scores 5-10 goals this season, the other strikers will STILL have to start being more efficient as well.

    Godden will probably help with the lack of goals, but won't solve that issue on his own.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,277
    thenewbie said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    thenewbie said:
    raytreacy said:
    I believe he has scored about thirty goals in the Championship for Coventry. He is more than capable of scoring in this division with the right service. I am not convinced with Kelman but it is early days. We are a bit powderpuff at the moment.
    32 goals, over 4 seasons. So he can score at this level but he's hardly prolific, 12 was his best ever season. There's more to his game than goals of course but goals are specifically what we're lacking and he's unlikely to be the solution to that specific issue.
    12 goals for a team looking to just stay up, maybe push towards midtable if possible is a great return. We're not a team who are going to be relying on a 20 goal striker like we were when we were expecting to push for promotion in L1. 6 goals from him and the rest of our strikers, maybe 10-12 from one in a good season is pretty much what Curbs relied on before we brought Bent in. Godden tends to go on little runs of goalscoring and once he's back if he can do that in a clump then we'll pick up enough wins to be safe. It's the same with Kelman, Leaburn, TC and Olaofe, if two of them get 5 or 6 each and the others 3 then that will match roughly what you're expecting from a newly promoted team trying to survive. We need to get the strikers scoring but even then we're in the Championship, it's going to be low scoring from each player as it always has been for a team in our position
    I am actually in agreement, I think my other posts came across more critical of Godden specifically than intended.

    What I was trying to say was actually something very similar to this - Godden coming back will absolutely benefit the team and he absolutely is a good player. But he's not s good that him being back/in the team is enough on its own. If/when he does come back and scores 5-10 goals this season, the other strikers will STILL have to start being more efficient as well.

    Godden will probably help with the lack of goals, but won't solve that issue on his own.
    We need lots of people to chip in. But from our squad we are missing 1 of the 3 players that scored the most goals last season in Godden. And the other 2, Kelman and Knibbs, haven’t been fully up to speed because they signed later on. They should both be getting there now 

    Oxford’s top scorer last season scored 6 goals. We don’t need someone to bang in 15-20 goals in order to stay up (though it would be great if someone did), we just need a lot of people chipping in, like we had last season with 18 different goal scorers 
  • Brownie12
    Brownie12 Posts: 1,525
    NabySarr said:
    thenewbie said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    thenewbie said:
    raytreacy said:
    I believe he has scored about thirty goals in the Championship for Coventry. He is more than capable of scoring in this division with the right service. I am not convinced with Kelman but it is early days. We are a bit powderpuff at the moment.
    32 goals, over 4 seasons. So he can score at this level but he's hardly prolific, 12 was his best ever season. There's more to his game than goals of course but goals are specifically what we're lacking and he's unlikely to be the solution to that specific issue.
    12 goals for a team looking to just stay up, maybe push towards midtable if possible is a great return. We're not a team who are going to be relying on a 20 goal striker like we were when we were expecting to push for promotion in L1. 6 goals from him and the rest of our strikers, maybe 10-12 from one in a good season is pretty much what Curbs relied on before we brought Bent in. Godden tends to go on little runs of goalscoring and once he's back if he can do that in a clump then we'll pick up enough wins to be safe. It's the same with Kelman, Leaburn, TC and Olaofe, if two of them get 5 or 6 each and the others 3 then that will match roughly what you're expecting from a newly promoted team trying to survive. We need to get the strikers scoring but even then we're in the Championship, it's going to be low scoring from each player as it always has been for a team in our position
    I am actually in agreement, I think my other posts came across more critical of Godden specifically than intended.

    What I was trying to say was actually something very similar to this - Godden coming back will absolutely benefit the team and he absolutely is a good player. But he's not s good that him being back/in the team is enough on its own. If/when he does come back and scores 5-10 goals this season, the other strikers will STILL have to start being more efficient as well.

    Godden will probably help with the lack of goals, but won't solve that issue on his own.
    We need lots of people to chip in. But from our squad we are missing 1 of the 3 players that scored the most goals last season in Godden. And the other 2, Kelman and Knibbs, haven’t been fully up to speed because they signed later on. They should both be getting there now 

    Oxford’s top scorer last season scored 6 goals. We don’t need someone to bang in 15-20 goals in order to stay up (though it would be great if someone did), we just need a lot of people chipping in, like we had last season with 18 different goal scorers 
    An uninteresting stat here….4 of those came in the first 4 games of the season.
  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 10,933
    We are solid enough at the back that if we did have a 15-20 goal striker we would be in the top half.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,817
    There's a bit of a misunderstanding, that people want Godden back because he we need a goalscorer. We need him back for his all round play. 

    Yes we would have been a bit short with Godden out injured, but I would have rather have spent the Kelman money on a quality central midfielder. Someone who could do the donkey work AND be creative. And take a decent set piece too...
  • paulsturgess
    paulsturgess Posts: 3,793
    isnt Knibbs supposed to be a quality CM?

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