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After the Millwall game - club reply to CAST p34, further CAST response p45
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Posting the 'plan your trip' msg at 8am on Saturday morning was a piss take, that's literally the only non ticket buying communication that went out over the last week.TootingRedArmy said:
The club sent countless posts on insta before this match hyping it as every notch went up from 20K to 23K, 10am Fan zone opening etc......Yet nothing on post match arrangements on website, insta, email etc as for an announcement where was it on the Big screen before, during, after the match....There was an PA announcement but i could hardly hear it in ES.....MartinCAFC said:
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.clive said:Markg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates &OhMyGodden said:
There was a tannoy announcement about itMarkg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
Advisory board.
Club have had nearly 48hrs to address what happened on Saturday.....if it were a new player, kit, corporate event we would all hear about it multiple times....5 -
TootingRedArmy said:
The club sent countless posts on insta before this match hyping it as every notch went up from 20K to 23K, 10am Fan zone opening etc......Yet nothing on post match arrangements on website, insta, email etc as for an announcement where was it on the Big screen before, during, after the match....There was an PA announcement but i could hardly hear it in ES.....MartinCAFC said:
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.clive said:Markg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates &OhMyGodden said:
There was a tannoy announcement about itMarkg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
Advisory board.
Club have had nearly 48hrs to address what happened on Saturday.....if it were a new player, kit, corporate event we would all hear about it multiple times....
It'll be a load of old waffle when/if they do announce anything.
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Think we're on the same page regarding everything that's poor around our club's communication with its fans, dear friend....TootingRedArmy said:
The club sent countless posts on insta before this match hyping it as every notch went up from 20K to 23K, 10am Fan zone opening etc......Yet nothing on post match arrangements on website, insta, email etc as for an announcement where was it on the Big screen before, during, after the match....There was an PA announcement but i could hardly hear it in ES.....MartinCAFC said:
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.clive said:Markg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates &OhMyGodden said:
There was a tannoy announcement about itMarkg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
Advisory board.
Club have had nearly 48hrs to address what happened on Saturday.....if it were a new player, kit, corporate event we would all hear about it multiple times....
" Leaves a lot to be desired" I'd say.7 -
My son has a set routine where we go 4 or 5 places at half time every game. We walk first to the memorial garden, then to by that gate to look back down onto the pitch.Themightyath2 said:For a start, attach some boarding to the gates so the fans can’t see each other, that would stop the goading between them.We’ve done this every Saturday home game for about 7 years.On our side you have a few people that visit the memorial garden to pay their respects, and a handful of others by the bottom of the stairs having a sly fag. It’s the furthest point away from the concourse so you are deliberately taking yourselves away from the stand.On the other side, hardly any away fans, even with a full away end, ever go near that gate area. Only ever for a sly fag or to make a quiet phone call.There’s only one or sometimes two very junior young stewards positioned there. And they usually looked bored senseless (don’t blame them).
There is never any interaction at all there between opposing fans (friendly or aggressive).On Saturday it was the first time I’ve ever seen opposing fans up against it. At half time I was only by there a minute or two and through the fence from the away side were a few blokes in the 60s growling, trying to make eye contact, get a response etc. others kept coming over to survey the scene but all they could see were a few norms, OAPs having a fag, chatting and completely oblivious to them. Had there been any form of gob or interaction back from the Charlton side, what happened at full time would have quickly escalated and happened at half time. And probably been a hundred times worse because once they all piled through there would have been a packed concourse with hundreds instead of half a dozen stragglers leaving via a little used exit.
Blame the police for a lot of the hassle on the day, but the clubs management was extremely poor. They knew if there were to be any in-game flashpoints it would have been through their fans securing tickets in the AC or West Stands (would never happen in the Covered End). Despite the higher crowd and risk potential, there didn’t seem to be a single extra steward in the AC stand on Saturday than there was when we played L1 midweek games with less than 1k in the stand. There wasn’t a single one of the escalation (bully boy) steward group positioned there nor police, just the usual ones whose role is basically telling people where their seats are or reminding visitors you can’t drink beer in pints. None of them are geared up to deal with any trouble.I hope the couple of young stewards that took some real aggro isolated on their own by that gate are ok, they were badly let down on Saturday.49 -
Fair enough, I left dead on FT seconds after final whistle so if there was one it was after that. I appreciate that was my choice and I knew the situation beforehand but still not what used to happen. Announcements were made before final whistle.MartinCAFC said:
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.clive said:Markg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates &OhMyGodden said:
There was a tannoy announcement about itMarkg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
Advisory board.
Either way, communication was lacking. We can agree that.4 -
I doff my cap to this Charlton fan.Dave2l said:TootingRedArmy said:
punch landing on the fan reasoning with Millwall to not attack fans.......
What an absolute dick head and coward.
Enough evidence for the police to at least try and track him down.
Takes some bottle to stand there in order to at least try and protect those more vulnerable.
The Club should recognise his bravery with a spot of lunch on a match day.23 -
It probably took me 10 or 15 minutes to get out of the ground from the back of the CE upper and I heard nothing. I'm not saying that there wasn't an announcement, just that I didn't hear one. The PA system in the CE is shocking. With that in mind I think that announcements should have been made before, during and after the game to increase the chance of people actually hearing it.Markg2004 said:
Fair enough, I left dead on FT seconds after final whistle so if there was one it was after that. I appreciate that was my choice and I knew the situation beforehand but still not what used to happen. Announcements were made before final whistle.MartinCAFC said:
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.clive said:Markg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates &OhMyGodden said:
There was a tannoy announcement about itMarkg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
Advisory board.
Either way, communication was lacking. We can agree that.
How about putting up signs near the turnstiles or having people with loud-hailers outside the turnstiles getting the message across.
It was clear when I walked out into Harvey Gardens that so many people had no idea which way to go, as people were trying to go both ways and with the shear numbers that made the matter worse. Things only got even worse when I reached Charlton Lane and found cars being allowed to mingle with the thousands of pedestrians.
I was pleased to go across to Coxmount Road and not to continue with the masses travelling towards the level crossing.
It must have been horrendous with that many people turning left on the pavements towards the station.4 -
I left right on the final whistle from the upper north, there was an announcement as I was heading onto the concourse. But to be honest, with all noise, it would’ve been easier to mishear what was said.superclive98 said:
It probably took me 10 or 15 minutes to get out of the ground from the back of the CE upper and I heard nothing. I'm not saying that there wasn't an announcement, just that I didn't hear one. The PA system in the CE is shocking. With that in mind I think that announcements should have been made before, during and after the game to increase the chance of people actually hearing it.Markg2004 said:
Fair enough, I left dead on FT seconds after final whistle so if there was one it was after that. I appreciate that was my choice and I knew the situation beforehand but still not what used to happen. Announcements were made before final whistle.MartinCAFC said:
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.clive said:Markg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates &OhMyGodden said:
There was a tannoy announcement about itMarkg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
Advisory board.
Either way, communication was lacking. We can agree that.
How about putting up signs near the turnstiles or having people with loud-hailers outside the turnstiles getting the message across.
It was clear when I walked out into Harvey Gardens that so many people had no idea which way to go, as people were trying to go both ways and with the shear numbers that made the matter worse. Things only got even worse when I reached Charlton Lane and found cars being allowed to mingle with the thousands of pedestrians.
I was pleased to go across to Coxmount Road and not to continue with the masses travelling towards the level crossing.
It must have been horrendous with that many people turning left on the pavements towards the station.0 -
If so many people never heard the PA announcement, is this not an issue in itself? Especially if it forms part of the fire evacuation system (PA/VA).4
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He’d have to be braver than that to eat what they serve up at the Valley for lunch !!Redrobo said:
I doff my cap to this Charlton fan.Dave2l said:TootingRedArmy said:
punch landing on the fan reasoning with Millwall to not attack fans.......
What an absolute dick head and coward.
Enough evidence for the police to at least try and track him down.
Takes some bottle to stand there in order to at least try and protect those more vulnerable.
The Club should recognise his bravery with a spot of lunch on a match day.13 - Sponsored links:
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There was defo an announcement but it was very short and quick. Think it was straight after the final whistle.1
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We appear to have a vow of silence on this matter from the club and the supporters representatives/groups as it stands and that includes the lengthy email that would have been all of their inboxes by late yesterday afternoonTootingRedArmy said:
The club sent countless posts on insta before this match hyping it as every notch went up from 20K to 23K, 10am Fan zone opening etc......Yet nothing on post match arrangements on website, insta, email etc as for an announcement where was it on the Big screen before, during, after the match....There was an PA announcement but i could hardly hear it in ES.....MartinCAFC said:
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.clive said:Markg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates &OhMyGodden said:
There was a tannoy announcement about itMarkg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
Advisory board.
Club have had nearly 48hrs to address what happened on Saturday.....if it were a new player, kit, corporate event we would all hear about it multiple times....
I thought at least one of those three would have said something by now
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Sadly I’m not surprised.shirty5 said:
We appear to have a vow of silence on this matter from the club and the supporters representatives/groups as it stands and that includes the lengthy email that would have been all of their inboxes by late yesterday afternoonTootingRedArmy said:
The club sent countless posts on insta before this match hyping it as every notch went up from 20K to 23K, 10am Fan zone opening etc......Yet nothing on post match arrangements on website, insta, email etc as for an announcement where was it on the Big screen before, during, after the match....There was an PA announcement but i could hardly hear it in ES.....MartinCAFC said:
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.clive said:Markg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates &OhMyGodden said:
There was a tannoy announcement about itMarkg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
Advisory board.
Club have had nearly 48hrs to address what happened on Saturday.....if it were a new player, kit, corporate event we would all hear about it multiple times....
I thought at least one of those three would have said something by now2 -
For tomorrow:
Ahead of kick-off at Crystal Palace, millwallfc.co.uk releases the following information to ensure Lions supporters' visit goes as smoothly as possible...
Post-match, Millwall fans will exit the stadium and will be held temporarily outside the away turnstiles to allow home fans to disperse from the local area. Updates will be provided via a PA system on a regular basis to ensure regular communication is provided.17 -
I heard an announcement in the AC stand along the lines, 'Just a reminder to Charlton fans that Floyd Road is closed'. I thought it was short and sweet and not exactly a reminder to those hearing it for the first time.O-Randy-Hunt said:There was defo an announcement but it was very short and quick. Think it was straight after the final whistle.1 -
So I took a video from the west stand must have been just after matey hit him and you can see the Charlton fan shove him away and then a Millwall fan (fair play) comes up the stairs and gets a few digs in on the Millwall fan who then has a little dig at the Good Samaritan scum fan.
then another pond life tries to throw same Charlton fan down the stairs but he’s pretty solid and the old snide goes back down the stairs .1 -
Well, we all knew that would be the case but it's excellent to have that there in writing.RedPanda said:For tomorrow:
Ahead of kick-off at Crystal Palace, millwallfc.co.uk releases the following information to ensure Lions supporters' visit goes as smoothly as possible...
Post-match, Millwall fans will exit the stadium and will be held temporarily outside the away turnstiles to allow home fans to disperse from the local area. Updates will be provided via a PA system on a regular basis to ensure regular communication is provided.
Perhaps @valleynick66 would like to explain if he still thinks "... with hindsight and having the opportunity to reflect, the decision by the police to not hold back Millwall could still be argued by the police to be reasonable.There is some logic in trying to remove 3k quickly given the perceived risk of adverse reaction by them if kept waiting."1 -
Maybe you are not reading what I wrote and instead assuming I’m saying something else?PragueAddick said:
Well, we all knew that would be the case but it's excellent to have that there in writing.RedPanda said:For tomorrow:
Ahead of kick-off at Crystal Palace, millwallfc.co.uk releases the following information to ensure Lions supporters' visit goes as smoothly as possible...
Post-match, Millwall fans will exit the stadium and will be held temporarily outside the away turnstiles to allow home fans to disperse from the local area. Updates will be provided via a PA system on a regular basis to ensure regular communication is provided.
Perhaps @valleynick66 would like to explain if he still thinks "... with hindsight and having the opportunity to reflect, the decision by the police to not hold back Millwall could still be argued by the police to be reasonable.There is some logic in trying to remove 3k quickly given the perceived risk of adverse reaction by them if kept waiting."
To repeat I’m observing the police can argue their logic has some merit. That is all.I’m not saying it’s right or that I support it but simply saying they can defend it. What they and the club can’t defend is its execution/implementation.The comparison to Palace isn’t particularly relevant particularly as they likely get held back at many grounds.The police logic may be the greater ‘localness’ to us and our relative lack of hooliganism means a direct comparison is not the whole story. That’s my speculation of how they could justify it.I don’t really understand your dig. I’m forecasting the outcome of any review the club and police may make.5 -
They would be held back in 90 grounds, the only grounds where they wouldn’t would be the rusty toolbox and The Valley. Saturday wasn’t the first time it’s happened in SE7, so you can’t use what was happening up town as a reason. Greenwich police have made the call on both occasions and are the only force to do so in the country. On both occasions, it’s been a mess.valleynick66 said:
Maybe you are not reading what I wrote and instead assuming I’m saying something else?PragueAddick said:
Well, we all knew that would be the case but it's excellent to have that there in writing.RedPanda said:For tomorrow:
Ahead of kick-off at Crystal Palace, millwallfc.co.uk releases the following information to ensure Lions supporters' visit goes as smoothly as possible...
Post-match, Millwall fans will exit the stadium and will be held temporarily outside the away turnstiles to allow home fans to disperse from the local area. Updates will be provided via a PA system on a regular basis to ensure regular communication is provided.
Perhaps @valleynick66 would like to explain if he still thinks "... with hindsight and having the opportunity to reflect, the decision by the police to not hold back Millwall could still be argued by the police to be reasonable.There is some logic in trying to remove 3k quickly given the perceived risk of adverse reaction by them if kept waiting."
To repeat I’m observing the police can argue their logic has some merit. That is all.I’m not saying it’s right or that I support it but simply saying they can defend it. What they and the club can’t defend is its execution/implementation.The comparison to Palace isn’t particularly relevant particularly as they likely get held back at many grounds.17 -
To play devils advocate only they might claim otherwise if there were few arrests / incidents?guinnessaddick said:
They would be held back in 90 grounds, the only where they wouldn’t would be the rusty toolbox and The Valley. Saturday wasn’t the first time it’s happened in SE7, so you can’t use what was happening up town as a reason. Greenwich police have made the call on both occasions and are the only force to do so in the country. On both occasions, it’s been a mess.valleynick66 said:
Maybe you are not reading what I wrote and instead assuming I’m saying something else?PragueAddick said:
Well, we all knew that would be the case but it's excellent to have that there in writing.RedPanda said:For tomorrow:
Ahead of kick-off at Crystal Palace, millwallfc.co.uk releases the following information to ensure Lions supporters' visit goes as smoothly as possible...
Post-match, Millwall fans will exit the stadium and will be held temporarily outside the away turnstiles to allow home fans to disperse from the local area. Updates will be provided via a PA system on a regular basis to ensure regular communication is provided.
Perhaps @valleynick66 would like to explain if he still thinks "... with hindsight and having the opportunity to reflect, the decision by the police to not hold back Millwall could still be argued by the police to be reasonable.There is some logic in trying to remove 3k quickly given the perceived risk of adverse reaction by them if kept waiting."
To repeat I’m observing the police can argue their logic has some merit. That is all.I’m not saying it’s right or that I support it but simply saying they can defend it. What they and the club can’t defend is its execution/implementation.The comparison to Palace isn’t particularly relevant particularly as they likely get held back at many grounds.Our supporter base complaining of inconvenience (rightly) likely wouldn’t trump actual arrestable incidents of trouble I suppose
(The Sam Bartram gate issue aside and not obviously the consequence of letting them leave first)4 - Sponsored links:
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shine166 said:
Posting the 'plan your trip' msg at 8am on Saturday morning was a piss take, that's literally the only non ticket buying communication that went out over the last week.TootingRedArmy said:
The club sent countless posts on insta before this match hyping it as every notch went up from 20K to 23K, 10am Fan zone opening etc......Yet nothing on post match arrangements on website, insta, email etc as for an announcement where was it on the Big screen before, during, after the match....There was an PA announcement but i could hardly hear it in ES.....MartinCAFC said:
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.clive said:Markg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates &OhMyGodden said:
There was a tannoy announcement about itMarkg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
Advisory board.
Club have had nearly 48hrs to address what happened on Saturday.....if it were a new player, kit, corporate event we would all hear about it multiple times....
They have not done themselves any favours by the deafening silence more than two days after the game. The club know that things did not go well.
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They had time to text me today urging me to buy a ticket for the Blackburn game !ElfsborgAddick said:shine166 said:
Posting the 'plan your trip' msg at 8am on Saturday morning was a piss take, that's literally the only non ticket buying communication that went out over the last week.TootingRedArmy said:
The club sent countless posts on insta before this match hyping it as every notch went up from 20K to 23K, 10am Fan zone opening etc......Yet nothing on post match arrangements on website, insta, email etc as for an announcement where was it on the Big screen before, during, after the match....There was an PA announcement but i could hardly hear it in ES.....MartinCAFC said:
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.clive said:Markg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates &OhMyGodden said:
There was a tannoy announcement about itMarkg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
Advisory board.
Club have had nearly 48hrs to address what happened on Saturday.....if it were a new player, kit, corporate event we would all hear about it multiple times....
They have not done themselves any favours by the deafening silence more than two days after the game. The club know that things did not go well.3 -
We have no idea what the club think.ElfsborgAddick said:shine166 said:
Posting the 'plan your trip' msg at 8am on Saturday morning was a piss take, that's literally the only non ticket buying communication that went out over the last week.TootingRedArmy said:
The club sent countless posts on insta before this match hyping it as every notch went up from 20K to 23K, 10am Fan zone opening etc......Yet nothing on post match arrangements on website, insta, email etc as for an announcement where was it on the Big screen before, during, after the match....There was an PA announcement but i could hardly hear it in ES.....MartinCAFC said:
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.clive said:Markg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates &OhMyGodden said:
There was a tannoy announcement about itMarkg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
Advisory board.
Club have had nearly 48hrs to address what happened on Saturday.....if it were a new player, kit, corporate event we would all hear about it multiple times....
They have not done themselves any favours by the deafening silence more than two days after the game. The club know that things did not go well.0 -
It’s easy to work out, they’re still advertising the game!JohnnyH2 said:
We have no idea what the club think.ElfsborgAddick said:shine166 said:
Posting the 'plan your trip' msg at 8am on Saturday morning was a piss take, that's literally the only non ticket buying communication that went out over the last week.TootingRedArmy said:
The club sent countless posts on insta before this match hyping it as every notch went up from 20K to 23K, 10am Fan zone opening etc......Yet nothing on post match arrangements on website, insta, email etc as for an announcement where was it on the Big screen before, during, after the match....There was an PA announcement but i could hardly hear it in ES.....MartinCAFC said:
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.clive said:Markg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates &OhMyGodden said:
There was a tannoy announcement about itMarkg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
Advisory board.
Club have had nearly 48hrs to address what happened on Saturday.....if it were a new player, kit, corporate event we would all hear about it multiple times....
They have not done themselves any favours by the deafening silence more than two days after the game. The club know that things did not go well.
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I think this whole debacle has shown that people making the decisions at the club have no understanding or respect for us The Fans. The lack of communication, before & during the match was woeful and its inexcusable that for 2 days the club & comms dept have gone AWOL! The club have scored a big own goal rather than nip this in bud, by holding up their hands and explained why decisions were made to prioritise Millwall & stewarding & policing of The Sam Bartram Gate incident which saw fans attacked.Let's hope Tuesday morning the club act swiftly by acknowledging how they fell short & that this wont happen again. The fan liaison team & CAST need to say something or what is the point of them?
For all the on field improvements under Nathan, Our clubs admin and comms depts feel like a bunch of disorganised amateurs.14 -
That's rather the point, isn't it?JohnnyH2 said:
We have no idea what the club think.ElfsborgAddick said:shine166 said:
Posting the 'plan your trip' msg at 8am on Saturday morning was a piss take, that's literally the only non ticket buying communication that went out over the last week.TootingRedArmy said:
The club sent countless posts on insta before this match hyping it as every notch went up from 20K to 23K, 10am Fan zone opening etc......Yet nothing on post match arrangements on website, insta, email etc as for an announcement where was it on the Big screen before, during, after the match....There was an PA announcement but i could hardly hear it in ES.....MartinCAFC said:
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.clive said:Markg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates &OhMyGodden said:
There was a tannoy announcement about itMarkg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
Advisory board.
Club have had nearly 48hrs to address what happened on Saturday.....if it were a new player, kit, corporate event we would all hear about it multiple times....
They have not done themselves any favours by the deafening silence more than two days after the game. The club know that things did not go well.
Anyone with even a bit of common sense, let alone "marketing" or "PR" specialists, know you've got to try and get on top of and "own" bad news as soon as possible. Nip it in the bud. Don't let it fester and germinate.
Nothing from the Club. Nothing from the Trust. Nothing from the fans representatives.
But hey, Blackburn tickets are on sale folks ......... and no detour this time. (At least, nothing announced as yet, but best hang on until an hour before kick off to be sure!)10 -
This took me about 30 seconds to knock up, and I'm certainly no "expert". And this was BEFORE the absolutely balls up on the day.Off_it said:
How about;bobmunro said:
How do you think they should have responded?Budington said:Classic nothing response from the trust.
"We are aware that supporters will feel, quite rightly, aggrieved and disgusted not only by the decision that has been taken, but also the manner and timing of the announcement and the lack of notice that has been given. The Trust has already expressed it's dismay at this decision and will be pressing the Club further in order to fully understand background and basis for the decision making process, as well as the relevant timelines. We will update our members as soon as we have further news on this important matter."5 -
But don’t you ever suggest people don’t want to rock the boat, suddenly everyone has all the time in the world to deal with that accusationOff_it said:JohnnyH2 said:
We have no idea what the club think.ElfsborgAddick said:shine166 said:
Posting the 'plan your trip' msg at 8am on Saturday morning was a piss take, that's literally the only non ticket buying communication that went out over the last week.TootingRedArmy said:
The club sent countless posts on insta before this match hyping it as every notch went up from 20K to 23K, 10am Fan zone opening etc......Yet nothing on post match arrangements on website, insta, email etc as for an announcement where was it on the Big screen before, during, after the match....There was an PA announcement but i could hardly hear it in ES.....MartinCAFC said:
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.clive said:Markg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates &OhMyGodden said:
There was a tannoy announcement about itMarkg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
Advisory board.
Club have had nearly 48hrs to address what happened on Saturday.....if it were a new player, kit, corporate event we would all hear about it multiple times....
They have not done themselves any favours by the deafening silence more than two days after the game. The club know that things did not go well.
Nothing from the Club. Nothing from the Trust. Nothing from the fans representatives.7 -
Agreed, statement from the club needed TODAY to say they are looking into Saturdays crowd mismanagement and Charlton fans being attacked & supporters with a more detailed statement to come after they have done a review of the mismanagement of crowd control, exiting of fans from the stadium and Charlton Fans being attacked inside the ground exiting the EastStand.Off_it said:
This took me about 30 seconds to knock up, and I'm certainly no "expert". And this was BEFORE the absolutely balls up on the day.Off_it said:
How about;bobmunro said:
How do you think they should have responded?Budington said:Classic nothing response from the trust.
"We are aware that supporters will feel, quite rightly, aggrieved and disgusted not only by the decision that has been taken, but also the manner and timing of the announcement and the lack of notice that has been given. The Trust has already expressed it's dismay at this decision and will be pressing the Club further in order to fully understand background and basis for the decision making process, as well as the relevant timelines. We will update our members as soon as we have further news on this important matter."
There are 8 CAST board members + 2 fan advisers they will know or surely heard what happened.... so why no statement from them, they are there to represent us the fans and challenge the club and police etc if they fall short, aren't they?9 -
Totally agree. I was answering the point that the club no things did not go well. None of us have any idea of that (as you say), for all we know theh may think it was a great success!Off_it said:
That's rather the point, isn't it?JohnnyH2 said:
We have no idea what the club think.ElfsborgAddick said:shine166 said:
Posting the 'plan your trip' msg at 8am on Saturday morning was a piss take, that's literally the only non ticket buying communication that went out over the last week.TootingRedArmy said:
The club sent countless posts on insta before this match hyping it as every notch went up from 20K to 23K, 10am Fan zone opening etc......Yet nothing on post match arrangements on website, insta, email etc as for an announcement where was it on the Big screen before, during, after the match....There was an PA announcement but i could hardly hear it in ES.....MartinCAFC said:
There was 100% an announcement at full time I could hear it leaving the front of the Covered Upper, we left pretty much at the full time whistle with the announcement maybe 2-3 mins after the game finished.clive said:Markg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
At least one of the announcers is on this forum, perhaps he can confirm if & when there was an announcement or has he also taken the same vow of silence as the Communications team, Board of directors, Fans advocates &OhMyGodden said:
There was a tannoy announcement about itMarkg2004 said:In terms of communication from the club, sitting in the Upper West at a match a few seasons ago an announcement was made with 5 minutes to go that the gate onto Valley Grove that comes out by the away fans was closed post-match.
They may not of known until the day before this time around about police arrangements but still absolutely no announcements.
Even a tannoy announcement would've mitigated some of these issues, regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
Advisory board.
Club have had nearly 48hrs to address what happened on Saturday.....if it were a new player, kit, corporate event we would all hear about it multiple times....
They have not done themselves any favours by the deafening silence more than two days after the game. The club know that things did not go well.
Anyone with even a bit of common sense, let alone "marketing" or "PR" specialists, know you've got to try and get on top of and "own" bad news as soon as possible. Nip it in the bud. Don't let it fester and germinate.
Nothing from the Club. Nothing from the Trust. Nothing from the fans representatives.
But hey, Blackburn tickets are on sale folks ......... and no detour this time. (At least, nothing announced as yet, but best hang on until an hour before kick off to be sure!)3
