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Lucas Akins (Mansfield Town) Sentenced to 14-months in Prison!!
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Just to point out that the Highway Code in Northern Ireland has not been updated, in case anyone drives/walks here in the near future.2
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I don't think that would go too well in court for the driver though.jose said:
Trouble is if you start crossing without being sure the other guy will stop, you may get run down.BalladMan said:
Your point here is interesting and I had not realised (as I am sure many others did not) that the Highway Code was updated in 2022 regarding this matterjose said:Pedestrians, especially children and old people, seem to be viewed as the lowest of the low by other road users.
When coming up to a junction, either a T junction, a crossroads, or turning from a major road into a minor road, all vehicles are supposed to stop to allow pedestrians waiting to cross, to cross.
Pedestrians don’t pause in these situations to allow the faster moving vehicle to quickly sweep past, they pause out of fear of injury and hope the other vehicle users conform with the Highway Code, which means stopping to allow them to cross.
In my experience more than 80% of car drivers, and 99% of cyclists don’t stop for the pedestrians.
However, its not quite true you are obliged to stop for people waiting to cross (it is recommended), but we are obliged to wait for those that are already crossing.
It is interesting how general motorists for many years are meant to keep up with changes to the Highway Code. Should there be more education / mandated review of the code (with a test?) every 10/15 years?0 -
Depends if they stop or notChris_from_Sidcup said:
I don't think that would go too well in court for the driver though.jose said:
Trouble is if you start crossing without being sure the other guy will stop, you may get run down.BalladMan said:
Your point here is interesting and I had not realised (as I am sure many others did not) that the Highway Code was updated in 2022 regarding this matterjose said:Pedestrians, especially children and old people, seem to be viewed as the lowest of the low by other road users.
When coming up to a junction, either a T junction, a crossroads, or turning from a major road into a minor road, all vehicles are supposed to stop to allow pedestrians waiting to cross, to cross.
Pedestrians don’t pause in these situations to allow the faster moving vehicle to quickly sweep past, they pause out of fear of injury and hope the other vehicle users conform with the Highway Code, which means stopping to allow them to cross.
In my experience more than 80% of car drivers, and 99% of cyclists don’t stop for the pedestrians.
However, its not quite true you are obliged to stop for people waiting to cross (it is recommended), but we are obliged to wait for those that are already crossing.
It is interesting how general motorists for many years are meant to keep up with changes to the Highway Code. Should there be more education / mandated review of the code (with a test?) every 10/15 years?0 -
Do I take it from the thread, that Lucas Atkinson wishes to ride a bike whilst playing for Mansfield.. ?0
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Absolutely true but two wrongs don’t make a right. Anyone that treats the roads like a playground should face serious consequences. That’s car users and cyclists. I drive a car and don’t cycle and I think for people like me the biggest gripe about inconsiderate cyclists is the lack of accountability. Getting clattered into by a cyclist can and does cause serious injury yet there is no obligation for cyclists to take out third party insurance. Anyone can have an accident whether riding or driving yet cyclists have no way of being identified should they choose to nip off round the corner after being involved in or causing an accident. I’m probably in a minority but I think all cyclists should have third party insurance and bikes should be fitted with a licence similar to those on a car.fenaddick said:Just as a point of balance a huge % of car drivers are really dangerous and ignore the highway code too. Move to somewhere like where I live, where people don't walk anywhere and just drive, and the dangerous driving is off the charts. The amount of times I've nearly been run over because people speed around corners or is off the charts2 -
As a lifelong pedestrian, I've found that the vast majority of motorists will stop when they see me waiting at a zebra crossing.jose said:Pedestrians, especially children and old people, seem to be viewed as the lowest of the low by other road users.
When coming up to a junction, either a T junction, a crossroads, or turning from a major road into a minor road, all vehicles are supposed to stop to allow pedestrians waiting to cross, to cross.
Pedestrians don’t pause in these situations to allow the faster moving vehicle to quickly sweep past, they pause out of fear of injury and hope the other vehicle users conform with the Highway Code, which means stopping to allow them to cross.
In my experience more than 80% of car drivers, and 99% of cyclists don’t stop for the pedestrians.
I always thank them with a raised hand and often receive one in return, and it's a rarity to have to wait for more than two cars to stop before I can cross.
What does 'annoy' me is when I see a motorist stop for a pedestrian who then crosses - invariably still looking at their phone - without so much as a glance at the driver.
However, there is some compensation in that I can feel superior to a complete stranger.
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Zebra crossings are kind of accepted places to allow pedestrians to cross and a nod and wave does no harm.
Cyclists frequently carry on regardless.
I suppose they think it’s only a bike I will be quickly through so it doesn’t matter that much.
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Totally agree. How cyclists get out of paying tax and insurance is beyond me. As a road runner, I can assure the biggest hazards aren’t drivers, it’s those morons.ShootersHillGuru said:
Absolutely true but two wrongs don’t make a right. Anyone that treats the roads like a playground should face serious consequences. That’s car users and cyclists. I drive a car and don’t cycle and I think for people like me the biggest gripe about inconsiderate cyclists is the lack of accountability. Getting clattered into by a cyclist can and does cause serious injury yet there is no obligation for cyclists to take out third party insurance. Anyone can have an accident whether riding or driving yet cyclists have no way of being identified should they choose to nip off round the corner after being involved in or causing an accident. I’m probably in a minority but I think all cyclists should have third party insurance and bikes should be fitted with a licence similar to those on a car.fenaddick said:Just as a point of balance a huge % of car drivers are really dangerous and ignore the highway code too. Move to somewhere like where I live, where people don't walk anywhere and just drive, and the dangerous driving is off the charts. The amount of times I've nearly been run over because people speed around corners or is off the charts2 -
stop_shouting said:
Totally agree. How cyclists get out of paying tax and insurance is beyond me. As a road runner, I can assure the biggest hazards aren’t drivers, it’s those morons.ShootersHillGuru said:
Absolutely true but two wrongs don’t make a right. Anyone that treats the roads like a playground should face serious consequences. That’s car users and cyclists. I drive a car and don’t cycle and I think for people like me the biggest gripe about inconsiderate cyclists is the lack of accountability. Getting clattered into by a cyclist can and does cause serious injury yet there is no obligation for cyclists to take out third party insurance. Anyone can have an accident whether riding or driving yet cyclists have no way of being identified should they choose to nip off round the corner after being involved in or causing an accident. I’m probably in a minority but I think all cyclists should have third party insurance and bikes should be fitted with a licence similar to those on a car.fenaddick said:Just as a point of balance a huge % of car drivers are really dangerous and ignore the highway code too. Move to somewhere like where I live, where people don't walk anywhere and just drive, and the dangerous driving is off the charts. The amount of times I've nearly been run over because people speed around corners or is off the charts
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