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Compulsory ID cards
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I’m all for it. So many wrong uns about. Need to do something. Doubt it’ll happen tho.0
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Seth - what digital platform do you envisage then with your stated constraints?jose said:It is OK as long as it doesn't require a telephone or the internet.
Should probably contain your blood group, and donor card.2 -
Estonia rolled out compulsory digital ID more than twenty years ago. There's no reason the UK can't do so.Valley Ant said:I would like to know the consequences of not having one. I doubt you would be kicked out of the country or forbidden to hold a job, or receive benefits. All three would have anti-human rights consequences.
We already have national insurance numbers, NHS numbers, passport numbers and driving licence numbers.
Cards are going to be stolen to order to sell to people who can't get one legally.
The contracts for producing the ID cards, writing the IT systems and maintaining the systems will probably all be given to families of Government ministers (obviously not my view).
The IT system budget will be £billions and probably not be delivered within budget or the agreed timescale.
It will be a disaster.
Apart from these minor points, I'm all in favour.
It's delivered annual savings of 2% of the country's GDP. If we replicated that cost saving here, it would save a billion pounds a week.2 -
Excellent news, if anything it isn't enough.
The government should also determine how we spend our free time, what time we sleep, what meals we eat. Just go full big brother.
I also have nothing to hide, and this would eliminate all crime and country issues undoubtedly, knife crime, rapes, all forms of violence and all other crimes of that nature will surely come to a halt.9 -
The 'conspiracy theorists' correct, yet again
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You don't have to hide anything though.ME14addick said:Excellent idea, should have been introduced years ago. The only people who should be worried are those with something to hide.
If biometrics are included then surely the threat of forgeries will not be a problem.
Just seen on the news a group of teenagers has been creating havoc in Southampton for over 6 months.
Thieving, smashing shops up racially abusing shop workers.
Teenagers 14/15 fucking running amok , shop workers in tears.
They can't even control people that are those that they now are creating trouble.
Oh just come up on bbc london woman racially abused, she filmed it see what happens to them.
How about leave me alone a law abiding citizen and go after those they know causing trouble.2 -
At 68 that's my thought and the Govt have access to practically everything about me and probably a few things about me I do not know.charlton4ever said:I have a Passport and Digital Driving License already thank you .
If it happens, I wont be up in arms about it, but as Radostan points out, I am one of the " morons who don't understand technology, the law " that presumably would prove the need for it.1 -
Imagine getting stopped in the street and being asked to produce your papers...😉0
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About time. Absolute no brainier in cutting fraud and reducing government spending.2
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On another thread we are discussing why 20,000 should be inconvenienced because of a recalcitrant 3,000.
I ask why the decent law abiding majority should be deprived of the tradition and liberty of walking this country without identity cards (except in time of war) because incompetent governments, both blue and red, cannot or will not protect the borders of this country from illegal incomers.
To my way of thinking the principle is the same in both instances.11 -
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Seems to me he was wondering, rather than complaining. The big clue is in what he actually wrote, not what you think he wrote.Radostanradical said:
You won't be, you are complaining about something which hasnt been announced or happened.YTS1978 said:How much are we going to be compulsory charged for a card i wonder?
But I'm glad you've confirmed there will be no cost. No idea how you would know that, given it "hasn't been announced or happened", unless you're Keir Starmer?3 -
How much "inconvenience" do you think is associated with having a digital ID?LenGlover said:On another thread we are discussing why 20,000 should be inconvenienced because of a recalcitrant 3,000.
I ask why the tradition of walking this country without identity cards (except in time of war) should be deprived of this traditional liberty because incompetent governments, both blue and red, cannot or will not protect the borders of this country from illegal incomers.
To my way of thinking the principle is the same in both instances.2 -
Aim of ID cards
- tackling illegal working and immigration abuse
- disrupting the use of false and multiple identities by organised criminals and those involved in terrorist activity
- helping protect people from identity fraud and theft
- ensuring free public services are only used by those entitled to them
- enabling easier and more convenient access to public services
What’s not to like?4 -
As long as my son doesnt need it to buy an underage pint and his fake driving license still works no problem. That said even if he was 12 it probably wont be fully rolled out until he was 210
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We already have passports, driving licences, travel cards etc, etc, etc which we can choose to carry or not. In a supposedly free country we should not be compelled to have an identity card except in time of war.Chizz said:
How much "inconvenience" do you think is associated with having a digital ID?LenGlover said:On another thread we are discussing why 20,000 should be inconvenienced because of a recalcitrant 3,000.
I ask why the tradition of walking this country without identity cards (except in time of war) should be deprived of this traditional liberty because incompetent governments, both blue and red, cannot or will not protect the borders of this country from illegal incomers.
To my way of thinking the principle is the same in both instances.
The authorities should deal with the problem directly with more vigour than they do. We have a Royal Navy which could patrol the English Channel and turn the boats back for example rather than target the law abiding majority.
Anyway I've expressed my thoughts and opinion. It appears that you disagree which is your right and privilege.5 -
There would be no need to carry it. It would be needed to access services or to gain employment. No one could demand to see it. Your civil liberties are not reduced on any way.LenGlover said:On another thread we are discussing why 20,000 should be inconvenienced because of a recalcitrant 3,000.
I ask why the decent law abiding majority should be deprived of the tradition and liberty of walking this country without identity cards (except in time of war) because incompetent governments, both blue and red, cannot or will not protect the borders of this country from illegal incomers.
To my way of thinking the principle is the same in both instances.The only ones inconvenienced would be those seeking something they were not entitled to.2 -
The price of convenience is often our autonomy. There are plenty of people who don't give two hoots about privacy as long as their life becomes more convenient.clb74 said:
You don't have to hide anything though.ME14addick said:Excellent idea, should have been introduced years ago. The only people who should be worried are those with something to hide.
If biometrics are included then surely the threat of forgeries will not be a problem.
Just seen on the news a group of teenagers has been creating havoc in Southampton for over 6 months.
Thieving, smashing shops up racially abusing shop workers.
Teenagers 14/15 fucking running amok , shop workers in tears.
They can't even control people that are those that they now are creating trouble.
Oh just come up on bbc london woman racially abused, she filmed it see what happens to them.
How about leave me alone a law abiding citizen and go after those they know causing trouble.
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, but the price of convenience is eternal surveillance."
That's a quote I like to refer to in circumstances like this. We are sleep walking into a dystopian society and plenty of people are ok with it.6 -
You leave a track of yourself everywhere you go, from bank machines to filing in a form for a Nektar card. And every transaction you make, plus every mile you drive up and down the land.
My phone goes off every time I have a pee in the middle of the night.
If it keeps Johnny terrorist and rapist out of this country good based on the failings of this useless lot and the previous mob.
We have bus passes, driving licences passports (if not thrown in the sea of course)... And all other items of photographic I. D.
If we had some level of competency running this land they wouldn't be needed, sadly we don't.1 -
It will just be another massive cock up won't it?
No objection to it, it is long overdue in my opinion. As for the not British arguement, do you not look around you walking down the street in this country?0 -
What do you think is the worst that could happen, that couldn't already happen?Braziliance said:
The price of convenience is often our autonomy. There are plenty of people who don't give two hoots about privacy as long as their life becomes more convenient.clb74 said:
You don't have to hide anything though.ME14addick said:Excellent idea, should have been introduced years ago. The only people who should be worried are those with something to hide.
If biometrics are included then surely the threat of forgeries will not be a problem.
Just seen on the news a group of teenagers has been creating havoc in Southampton for over 6 months.
Thieving, smashing shops up racially abusing shop workers.
Teenagers 14/15 fucking running amok , shop workers in tears.
They can't even control people that are those that they now are creating trouble.
Oh just come up on bbc london woman racially abused, she filmed it see what happens to them.
How about leave me alone a law abiding citizen and go after those they know causing trouble.
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, but the price of convenience is eternal surveillance."
That's a quote I like to refer to in circumstances like this. We are sleep walking into a dystopian society and plenty of people are ok with it.0 -
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Yes, we do already have passports, driving licences and travel cards, etc. But owning those are of no inconvenience at all, except losing them.LenGlover said:
We already have passports, driving licences, travel cards etc, etc, etc which we can choose to carry or not. In a supposedly free country we should not be compelled to have an identity card except in time of war.Chizz said:
How much "inconvenience" do you think is associated with having a digital ID?LenGlover said:On another thread we are discussing why 20,000 should be inconvenienced because of a recalcitrant 3,000.
I ask why the tradition of walking this country without identity cards (except in time of war) should be deprived of this traditional liberty because incompetent governments, both blue and red, cannot or will not protect the borders of this country from illegal incomers.
To my way of thinking the principle is the same in both instances.
The authorities should deal with the problem directly with more vigour than they do. We have a Royal Navy which could patrol the English Channel and turn the boats back for example rather than target the law abiding majority.
Anyway I've expressed my thoughts and opinion. It appears that you disagree which is your right and privilege.
You already have these forms of ID. So why does it inconvenience you at all to have a digital ID card?2 -
Will be very expensive and to track down all 50-70 Million entitled to a card will take years.
Doubtless corruption will ensure that untold people not entitled to a card will get one to which they are not entitled
I doubt it will stop illegal immigration
In theory a good idea BUT as ever with the UK, 10-20 years too late2 -
Bring it on I say. I like the idea of DI, just the fact it will make the usual frothing types froth a little more.I’d go further and make it compulsory to carry ID/DI at all times, just to make the conspiracy theorists rabid and blow a gasket. If anyone refuses, I’d have them compulsory chipped or have QR code tattooed on their necks.3
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Thing is anyone cleverer than the government will be able to get round this IT.........Oh.1
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It’s not a new thing. It was quite literally in the Labour manifesto (edit, it wasn’t, but they’ve floated it for years). As someone who works in routine data linkage for public health, it’s a gamechanger and well overdue.3
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Do you complain about having a driving licence, passport, bank cards, store cards?clb74 said:
You don't have to hide anything though.ME14addick said:Excellent idea, should have been introduced years ago. The only people who should be worried are those with something to hide.
If biometrics are included then surely the threat of forgeries will not be a problem.
Just seen on the news a group of teenagers has been creating havoc in Southampton for over 6 months.
Thieving, smashing shops up racially abusing shop workers.
Teenagers 14/15 fucking running amok , shop workers in tears.
They can't even control people that are those that they now are creating trouble.
Oh just come up on bbc london woman racially abused, she filmed it see what happens to them.
How about leave me alone a law abiding citizen and go after those they know causing trouble.
This will make it easier to identify prospective employees and their right to work in the UK.
Spending more money on policing and other public services is needed to deal with anti social behaviour and crime, but that's a topic likely to lead to politics,which isn't allowed.
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Yeah, only people with passports should be asked to prove their identity.LenGlover said:
We already have passports, driving licences, travel cards etc, etc, etc which we can choose to carry or not. In a supposedly free country we should not be compelled to have an identity card except in time of war.Chizz said:
How much "inconvenience" do you think is associated with having a digital ID?LenGlover said:On another thread we are discussing why 20,000 should be inconvenienced because of a recalcitrant 3,000.
I ask why the tradition of walking this country without identity cards (except in time of war) should be deprived of this traditional liberty because incompetent governments, both blue and red, cannot or will not protect the borders of this country from illegal incomers.
To my way of thinking the principle is the same in both instances.
The authorities should deal with the problem directly with more vigour than they do. We have a Royal Navy which could patrol the English Channel and turn the boats back for example rather than target the law abiding majority.
Anyway I've expressed my thoughts and opinion. It appears that you disagree which is your right and privilege.Anyone who can’t should be free to work when they like and get free treatment at hospitals1 -
Free public servicesRedrobo said:Aim of ID cards- tackling illegal working and immigration abuse
- disrupting the use of false and multiple identities by organised criminals and those involved in terrorist activity
- helping protect people from identity fraud and theft
- ensuring free public services are only used by those entitled to them
- enabling easier and more convenient access to public services
What’s not to like?
Rock up at a hospital without your ID and get turned away? Yeah right.
Just rocked up on a dinghy? Here, have one of these.
Illegal working? Got an ID card? No, well here’s a 30% below minimum for cash.
You know it would be an embarrassing mess from the off, with whichever PMs mate who run the roll out, being the only winner.
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I have chosen to have those forms of ID for various reasons so can prove who I am if needed. Why do I need to pay for yet another form of ID?Chizz said:
Yes, we do already have passports, driving licences and travel cards, etc. But owning those are of no inconvenience at all, except losing them.LenGlover said:
We already have passports, driving licences, travel cards etc, etc, etc which we can choose to carry or not. In a supposedly free country we should not be compelled to have an identity card except in time of war.Chizz said:
How much "inconvenience" do you think is associated with having a digital ID?LenGlover said:On another thread we are discussing why 20,000 should be inconvenienced because of a recalcitrant 3,000.
I ask why the tradition of walking this country without identity cards (except in time of war) should be deprived of this traditional liberty because incompetent governments, both blue and red, cannot or will not protect the borders of this country from illegal incomers.
To my way of thinking the principle is the same in both instances.
The authorities should deal with the problem directly with more vigour than they do. We have a Royal Navy which could patrol the English Channel and turn the boats back for example rather than target the law abiding majority.
Anyway I've expressed my thoughts and opinion. It appears that you disagree which is your right and privilege.
You already have these forms of ID. So why does it inconvenience you at all to have a digital ID card?
My taxes will pay for it or I will pay a specific charge for it. Nothing is free.
Deal with the guilty culprits not the innocent law abiding.5 -
Why do you keep questioning other posters? You’re not moderating this thread. Pipe down.Chizz said:
Yes, we do already have passports, driving licences and travel cards, etc. But owning those are of no inconvenience at all, except losing them.LenGlover said:
We already have passports, driving licences, travel cards etc, etc, etc which we can choose to carry or not. In a supposedly free country we should not be compelled to have an identity card except in time of war.Chizz said:
How much "inconvenience" do you think is associated with having a digital ID?LenGlover said:On another thread we are discussing why 20,000 should be inconvenienced because of a recalcitrant 3,000.
I ask why the tradition of walking this country without identity cards (except in time of war) should be deprived of this traditional liberty because incompetent governments, both blue and red, cannot or will not protect the borders of this country from illegal incomers.
To my way of thinking the principle is the same in both instances.
The authorities should deal with the problem directly with more vigour than they do. We have a Royal Navy which could patrol the English Channel and turn the boats back for example rather than target the law abiding majority.
Anyway I've expressed my thoughts and opinion. It appears that you disagree which is your right and privilege.
You already have these forms of ID. So why does it inconvenience you at all to have a digital ID card?10
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