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If clean sheets win you titles, why aren't Burnley top?

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  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,818
    edited May 4
    Pelling1993 said:
    golfaddick said:
    My initial point still stands.

    Burnley have an amazing defensive record and in so have kept 30 clean sheets. But they are still not top. Leeds are top by way of goal difference. So even by only conceding 15 goals all season Burnley might still not be Champions. Leeds have let on almost double the amount that Burnley have.....but have scored far more goals than they have conceded.

    Ergo.  Clean sheets by themselves do not win you titles. 
    You don’t have to score the most goals or concede the fewest to win the league. It’s a daft thing to be obsessed about. But you cannot lose if you don’t concede.
    And you cannot win if you don't score.

    15 all.
  • DOUCHER
    DOUCHER Posts: 7,934
    this debate is daft - golfie was right - he made the point that our defence was good at the start of the season but the lack of goals was a big problem - others seemed to think we could grind our way to success but it wasn't until we sorted the attack out, that we turned the corner - a good defence will only get u so far but is generally considered to be the starting point to build from and so it has proved this year    
  • MrLargo
    MrLargo Posts: 7,999
    golfaddick said:
    se9addick said:
    golfaddick said:
    Yeah......nuff said.

    I take all the brick bats that are thrown at me but I was right. Clean sheets dont win you titles.

    Clean sheets & scoring goals do. 
    Was that really what you were saying all along? Really?
    Well its obvious you have to do both, but I started the thread when Burnley had just kept 12 clean sheets in a row..........but I think a few of those games ended 0-0. Imagine if a few of those 0-0's ended 2-1. They wouldn't have set a record but they would have won the title.
    Or, turning one of their two 1-0 defeats into a 0-0 would have also won then the title, along with an even more impressive clean sheet record.
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 13,827
    At least with dirty sheets they can only get dirtier but clean sheets need washing all the time to keep then clean and this contributes to global warming, chemical saturation in the water and soil and ruins planets.

    i'd rather rely on huge amounts of goals scored than keeping perpetually clean sheets, you know it makes sense. 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,890
    DOUCHER said:
    this debate is daft - golfie was right - he made the point that our defence was good at the start of the season but the lack of goals was a big problem - others seemed to think we could grind our way to success but it wasn't until we sorted the attack out, that we turned the corner - a good defence will only get u so far but is generally considered to be the starting point to build from and so it has proved this year    
    Golfie said Burnley wouldn’t get automatically promoted in his first post. He was wrong.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,890
    Top two for most clean sheets last season got promoted automatically…

    Charlton have the most clean sheets this season so far…
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,096
    edited September 28
    Yeah, since know it all has been slagging Charlton for their rubbish sound defence tactics and then criticised Burnley as well, both teams have been promoted.

    We've gone from mid table in L1 to 7th in The Championship.
    That Nathan Jones should start listening to what Golfie says  :D
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,127
    Callumcafc said:
    Top two for most clean sheets last season got promoted automatically…

    Charlton have the most clean sheets this season so far…
    11 clean sheets in our last 21 home games in all competitions. 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,793
    edited September 29
    Callumcafc said:
    Top two for most clean sheets last season got promoted automatically…

    Charlton have the most clean sheets this season so far…
    And have conceded the joint fewest number of goals. It is early days but we knew we had a strong team defensively. I get the impression the rest of the teams haven't worked it out yet. I told my Bristol City mate before we played them how good our defence was so it is becoming apparent just now.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,089
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Callumcafc said:
    Top two for most clean sheets last season got promoted automatically…

    Charlton have the most clean sheets this season so far…
    11 clean sheets in our last 21 home games in all competitions. 
    That’s an incredible stat, clean sheets in over 50% of home games. 

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  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,223

    Chat GPT is very clever but really struggled with the strapline "Keeps Your Sheets Cleaner than Clean", but you get the idea.
  • holyjo
    holyjo Posts: 1,330

  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,393
    What's the context of that table?
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 95,043
    sam3110 said:
    What's the context of that table?
    Must be Goals Conceded... In order of most to least 

    Although not sure what qualifies us to be bottom
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,393
    I'm trying to work out what the last column is representing 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,127
    sam3110 said:
    I'm trying to work out what the last column is representing 
    Here's the full table.

    https://footystats.org/england/championship/goals-conceded-table
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,793
    ForeverAddickted said:
    sam3110 said:
    What's the context of that table?
    Must be Goals Conceded... In order of most to least 

    Although not sure what qualifies us to be bottom
    Yes, shoulldn't we be top?
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 95,043
    Simply on the topic, rather than the original post

    But that's five clean sheets for the season now, matches the same amount this time last season

    Only three teams (Coventry, Middlesbrough and Stoke) have better defensive records than us, whilst we're suddenly climbing the scoring charts, having scored more goals than 14-other teams in the Division.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 95,043
    Six clean sheets in 14-games no... Only Stoke have a better defensive record than us now, but only two goals difference.

    For the record, it took us 16-games to get the same amount of clean sheets this time last year
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,939
    edited November 5
    Is this gonna be like the Chuks Aneke thread - new stats after every game?

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  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,818
    Off_it said:
    Is this gonna be like the Chuks Aneke thread - new stats after every game?
    No idea, but I did notice that Coventry have let in more goals than us. 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,890
    edited November 5
    Most clean sheets after 14 games (6 each):

    Coventry 1st
    Stoke 2nd
    Charlton 5th

    Followed by (5 each):

    Middlesbrough 3rd
    Millwall 4th
    Preston 6th
    Bristol City 7th
    Birmingham 9th
  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,284
    I wasn't too sure how long it would take us to reach 6 clean sheets this season, never in wild dreams did I think it would be after only 14 games. Superb job from entire team. 

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