Sheffield Wednesday - Into Administration (p44)

With Leicester, in theory they could slip away and a points deduction could be meaningless. It makes sense that the deduction takes place now whilst it is not. Not sure with Sheffield Wednesday. They haven't cheated, it is just the owner doesn't want to pay for them. Of course this is not sustainable but if the owner doesn't care if they get a points deduction or not, what does it acheive? I suppose it makes the club less attractive to buyers which might bother him. Maybe the EFL should give him a deadline for when wages should be paid and a threat that if they are not paid by then or again there will be a 6 point deduction. It is a difficult one.

If he can't afford to sell them, they are surely in a death spiral. And how is the problem going to improve in time? I feel for them. 

MuttleyCAFC said:

If he can't afford to sell them, they are surely in a death spiral. And how is the problem going to improve in time? I feel for them. 

Unless he decides to cut his losses and write off tens of millions, he will just continue to run the club as cheaply as possible. 

Aside from the club value plummeting there is also the issue that if they drop into league one they will lose out on the 9m extra EFL payments you get compared to league one.

Doesn't really seem like he's thought this through.

Swindon_Addick said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

With Leicester, in theory they could slip away and a points deduction could be meaningless. It makes sense that the deduction takes place now whilst it is not. Not sure with Sheffield Wednesday. They haven't cheated, it is just the owner doesn't want to pay for them. Of course this is not sustainable but if the owner doesn't care if they get a points deduction or not, what does it acheive? I suppose it makes the club less attractive to buyers which might bother him. Maybe the EFL should give him a deadline for when wages should be paid and a threat that if they are not paid by then or again there will be a 6 point deduction. It is a difficult one.

For me, this is where there's a big difference between not paying staff on time, but paying eventually, and being late with transfer payments to other clubs. Late payments to other football clubs I think starts to cross the line between being guilty of no more than chaotic organisation and gets into what you could call cheating.

From what I read, the Premier League are working with the EFL on how to deal with Leicester so they don't dodge punishment via promotion 

Rothko said:

Swindon_Addick said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

With Leicester, in theory they could slip away and a points deduction could be meaningless. It makes sense that the deduction takes place now whilst it is not. Not sure with Sheffield Wednesday. They haven't cheated, it is just the owner doesn't want to pay for them. Of course this is not sustainable but if the owner doesn't care if they get a points deduction or not, what does it acheive? I suppose it makes the club less attractive to buyers which might bother him. Maybe the EFL should give him a deadline for when wages should be paid and a threat that if they are not paid by then or again there will be a 6 point deduction. It is a difficult one.

For me, this is where there's a big difference between not paying staff on time, but paying eventually, and being late with transfer payments to other clubs. Late payments to other football clubs I think starts to cross the line between being guilty of no more than chaotic organisation and gets into what you could call cheating.

From what I read, the Premier League are working with the EFL on how to deal with Leicester so they don't dodge punishment via promotion 

Sort of. Leicester “escaped” EFL’s punishment previously because they got promoted and therefore out of their jurisdiction. One decent outcome of that is that the PL and EFL decided to close that loophole and work together, which is apparently why the PL have been handling what was a breach of EFL rules. 

cabbles said:

CaptainRobbo said:

Possible 15 points deduction 

That many would almost certainly mean they fill one of the three relegation spots.  Be an absolute miracle if they stayed up with that sort of punishment 

Think they'd still be fine to stay up, were that to be applied now they'd be on -2 points which is only 8 away from Oxford in 21st. So they'd be able to make that up across the remaining 37 games.

Although some of their better players would probably start looking for moves that could get them playing In the prem next season so the rebuild would be more painful.

TelMc32 said:

Rothko said:

Swindon_Addick said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

With Leicester, in theory they could slip away and a points deduction could be meaningless. It makes sense that the deduction takes place now whilst it is not. Not sure with Sheffield Wednesday. They haven't cheated, it is just the owner doesn't want to pay for them. Of course this is not sustainable but if the owner doesn't care if they get a points deduction or not, what does it acheive? I suppose it makes the club less attractive to buyers which might bother him. Maybe the EFL should give him a deadline for when wages should be paid and a threat that if they are not paid by then or again there will be a 6 point deduction. It is a difficult one.

For me, this is where there's a big difference between not paying staff on time, but paying eventually, and being late with transfer payments to other clubs. Late payments to other football clubs I think starts to cross the line between being guilty of no more than chaotic organisation and gets into what you could call cheating.

From what I read, the Premier League are working with the EFL on how to deal with Leicester so they don't dodge punishment via promotion 

Sort of. Leicester “escaped” EFL’s punishment previously because they got promoted and therefore out of their jurisdiction. One decent outcome of that is that the PL and EFL decided to close that loophole and work together, which is apparently why the PL have been handling what was a breach of EFL rules. 

There really isn’t an excuse though that judgement shouldn’t have been passed by now. 

The whole thing is a farce. They breached EFL rules and the logical thing to do once it became fairly obvious they'd be relegated would've been to issue them with a punishment that would be applied at the start of this season.

But no, that is just too simple.

ForestHillAddick said:

cabbles said:

CaptainRobbo said:

Possible 15 points deduction 

That many would almost certainly mean they fill one of the three relegation spots.  Be an absolute miracle if they stayed up with that sort of punishment 

Think they'd still be fine to stay up, were that to be applied now they'd be on -2 points which is only 8 away from Oxford in 21st. So they'd be able to make that up across the remaining 37 games.

Although some of their better players would probably start looking for moves that could get them playing In the prem next season so the rebuild would be more painful.

Personally, I can't see Wednesday being 15 points clear of 22nd place by end of season. So feel a 15 point deduction would likely relegate them. 

Why are people discussing a 15 deduction like it's a fact?

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

killerandflash said:

With their tiny squad, it would have been a miracle if Wednesday stayed up anyway. 

Unbeaten in 3 though and i think they're definitely doing better than most people expected.

That said, i'd be quite surprised if they don't lose all of their next 3 games.

It'll take the wind out of our sails should they beat us next week.

CaptainRobbo said:

Possible 15 points deduction 

Wednesday or Leicester