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Man U’s three man shortlist to replace under-pressure Amorim
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They'll get back up there eventually but they have finished outside the top 4 in 7 of the last 12 years.Karim_myBagheri said:
The thing about man U is that modern football will not mean they will struggle for all that long. They have such a global reach that they unfortunately will rise back up to the top 4 places.sam3110 said:The power shift has truly happened. Said to my Dad at the weekend if ManUre had a season like this in the past, they'd go out and sign Isak, Frimpong, Eze and Reijinders. Unfortunately for them they don't have the pull they used to and now have to sign players from Wolves and Brentford, and watch Liverpool, Arsenal and Man City hoover up all the best players.
With the ridiculous money in the increased Champions league these days, it doesn't do them any favours that the other 5 of the big 6 are all in it this season. So whilst United will always make a lot of money because of the size of the club, the other clubs effectively close a lot of that gap by being in the CL. Arsenal made around £70m in prize money from it last year and that's before even factoring in gate receipts and commercial revenue. Chelsea made around 85m from winning the club world cup.
So for every year that United are out of the CL, it should (in theory) become that bit harder to get back in it, not just because the other clubs have just as much (if not more) money, but also because the elite players will prefer to go to City, Liverpool, Arsenal etc and play in the CL.
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Feels like the decline is ingrained there now. New manager wouldn't change anything and I doubt Ratcliffe has the want to invest the type of money in the playing side that they would need to be competitive again when he's running around trying to fund a new stadium.0
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The Premier League though is unique in the number of teams who legitimately can aim for Top 4, nobody else has a "Big 6".
The likes of Liverpool, Arsenal, City and Chelsea are unlikely to drop out, Newcastle (despite PSR issues) have the Saudi money, Spurs ought to be up there also. Plus there's usually an overachieving non Big 6 team also.0 -
Thing is that he's not really a new owner, the Glazers are still leeching money out of the club, and Ineos are reluctant to help the non-footballing side while their money is in large part going into the Glazers' pockets.JohnBoyUK said:
Errrrrr... Sir Jim Ratcliffe says hiDave2l said:United need new owners and then a considerable amount of time after that.
They'll put money in on the football side but keep cutting costs elsewhere which leads to a horrible club culture.
They need a clean break from both the Glazers and Ineos and owners who will look to redevelop the club off the pitch as much as on, but all the time that the Glazers can skim off millions whilst letting Ineos take the flak, I can't see them selling.8 -
I know I know, was just being pedantic for the sake of it.North Lower Neil said:
Thing is that he's not really a new owner, the Glazers are still leeching money out of the club, and Ineos are reluctant to help the non-footballing side while their money is in large part going into the Glazers' pockets.JohnBoyUK said:
Errrrrr... Sir Jim Ratcliffe says hiDave2l said:United need new owners and then a considerable amount of time after that.
They'll put money in on the football side but keep cutting costs elsewhere which leads to a horrible club culture.
They need a clean break from both the Glazers and Ineos and owners who will look to redevelop the club off the pitch as much as on, but all the time that the Glazers can skim off millions whilst letting Ineos take the flak, I can't see them selling.
Long may their demise continue
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In many ways the Glazers have played an absolute blinder (as long as stuff like morals and principles are not considered important.)North Lower Neil said:
Thing is that he's not really a new owner, the Glazers are still leeching money out of the club, and Ineos are reluctant to help the non-footballing side while their money is in large part going into the Glazers' pockets.JohnBoyUK said:
Errrrrr... Sir Jim Ratcliffe says hiDave2l said:United need new owners and then a considerable amount of time after that.
They'll put money in on the football side but keep cutting costs elsewhere which leads to a horrible club culture.
They need a clean break from both the Glazers and Ineos and owners who will look to redevelop the club off the pitch as much as on, but all the time that the Glazers can skim off millions whilst letting Ineos take the flak, I can't see them selling.
They still do exactly what they were doing before except now the one who gets all the attention and opprobrium is Ratcliffe.
Not that Ratcliffe is doing very well at the job - quite the opposite actually.2 -
Yep and he paid them over a billion for the privilege.thenewbie said:
In many ways the Glazers have played an absolute blinder (as long as stuff like morals and principles are not considered important.)North Lower Neil said:
Thing is that he's not really a new owner, the Glazers are still leeching money out of the club, and Ineos are reluctant to help the non-footballing side while their money is in large part going into the Glazers' pockets.JohnBoyUK said:
Errrrrr... Sir Jim Ratcliffe says hiDave2l said:United need new owners and then a considerable amount of time after that.
They'll put money in on the football side but keep cutting costs elsewhere which leads to a horrible club culture.
They need a clean break from both the Glazers and Ineos and owners who will look to redevelop the club off the pitch as much as on, but all the time that the Glazers can skim off millions whilst letting Ineos take the flak, I can't see them selling.
They still do exactly what they were doing before except now the one who gets all the attention and opprobrium is Ratcliffe.
Not that Ratcliffe is doing very well at the job - quite the opposite actually.
Finances-wise they’ve played the United ownership thing to perfection, just completely at the expense of the club and the fans.1 -
Me too!ForeverAddickted said:Praying they take Glasner at the moment!!0 -
It's a bizarre situation, where Ratcliffe has coughed up a massive amount of money, has no financial control over the club, but is now the bogeyman!thenewbie said:
In many ways the Glazers have played an absolute blinder (as long as stuff like morals and principles are not considered important.)North Lower Neil said:
Thing is that he's not really a new owner, the Glazers are still leeching money out of the club, and Ineos are reluctant to help the non-footballing side while their money is in large part going into the Glazers' pockets.JohnBoyUK said:
Errrrrr... Sir Jim Ratcliffe says hiDave2l said:United need new owners and then a considerable amount of time after that.
They'll put money in on the football side but keep cutting costs elsewhere which leads to a horrible club culture.
They need a clean break from both the Glazers and Ineos and owners who will look to redevelop the club off the pitch as much as on, but all the time that the Glazers can skim off millions whilst letting Ineos take the flak, I can't see them selling.
They still do exactly what they were doing before except now the one who gets all the attention and opprobrium is Ratcliffe.
Not that Ratcliffe is doing very well at the job - quite the opposite actually.
No top manager will go anywhere near United until the ownership situation is more resolved, and actually makes sense.6 - Sponsored links:
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Basket case of a club. I was 11 when they won the Prem in 93 so have grown up in prime Fergie era and always enjoyed watching them. They were direct but could play football, took the quickest route to goal on the counter, had some great players and managed to reinvent themselves a few times over to stay at the top of English football. Without doubt I enjoyed seeing them finally win the Champions League in 1999
Since Fergie left it’s been an absolute shambles and they’re now approaching a nadir with which it will be very hard to get out of given the way football is transpiring in the modern era.Don’t quite know how they get out of it, as they have tried the Mourinho’s and the Van Gaal’s, and tried the up and comers in Ten Haag and Amorim. I think until the Glazers sell up they’re a bit screwed, and I’m not sure having Ratcliffe as minority shareholder helps.Glasner and the Bournemouth manager are good options. I think Southgate would be a mistake
Amorim looks clueless. Had they not made so many poor appointments over the last few years, he would’ve been gone already3 -
Glasner and Iraola have been very impressive. I, for one, hope they go for Southgate. I'm not ready for this very long comedy hour to end, just yet.0
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They're probably only a decent defensive midfielder, goalie and competent coach away from being a "reasonable" team tbh. They clearly need more to be challenging but they have got some good players.0
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And at least a couple of defenders, including a centre back and full/wing back. My nan could outrun De Ligt and Maguire.crookester said:They're probably only a decent defensive midfielder, goalie and competent coach away from being a "reasonable" team tbh. They clearly need more to be challenging but they have got some good players.
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If Bruno had in June decided to accept the Saudi payday, it would have made things easier in some ways. They could then play Mainoo is his more natural attacking position, and would have had a big sum of money for a top holding midfielder.
Losing Casemiro to Saudi would have helped them too.5 -
As Arteta has shown at Arsenal and Klopp at Liverpool, you are only one good appointment from getting yourself back on track, the question is who will be the Arteta/Klopp for United?
They have got rid of some of the problem players like Rashford and Sancho but they still have the likes of the clearly past his sell by Casemiro playing every game when his legs have long since gone.
They also seem unable to keep their young players on track, Mainoo and the other young winger being good examples.0 -
Any manager is going to be tempted by Man Utd, the opportunity, the huge salary and will back themselves to be the one to turn it around, but realistically you'd say that Glasner and Iraola would both be well advised to steer clear.closet_addick said:Glasner and Iraola have been very impressive. I, for one, hope they go for Southgate. I'm not ready for this very long comedy hour to end, just yet.
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Utd are comedy gold at the moment. To keep that vibe going, Lampard should be on the short list.
But if they really want to turn it around Glasner has to be top pick.2 -
Southgate gets his pelters and people will laugh him off, but the most impactful thing he did as England manager was re-establish the love of playing for England. The work he did pre-tournament in Russia and the links he made with the players/media was a masterstroke.If a club ever needed a cultural reset its Man Utd and Southgate has the credentials for that.The football may well be turgid and no frills. But I can see him providing a base of stability that they need at the moment, having a steady pair of hands who knows how to build a culture could be the smartest move right now whilst the Glazers remain.4
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If they do get rid of Amorim i think United would be better off going with an interim/caretaker boss for now and then trying to get an international manager after the World cup like Tuchel, Ancelotti, Pochettino.usetobunkin said:Utd are comedy gold at the moment. To keep that vibe going, Lampard should be on the short list.
But if they really want to turn it around Glasner has to be top pick.
If i was Ratcliffe/the Glazers, then having seen the latest flavour of the month up and coming European coach fail, there's no way i'd be looking for anything other than top level experience for the next appointment.
Don't get me wrong, Glasner is a very good manager, but as we've seen with the likes of Moyes, Potter, Nuno, moving from a lesser club to a big 6 club isn't easy. They're such a mess right now that i think they have to look to someone with the experience of managing a giant club who can deal with the pressure and having the eyes of the world on them every day.
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So you're saying that it would fcuk up both Palarse and Man U if Glasner were to be appointed there? A plan with no drawbacks!!Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Don't get me wrong, Glasner is a very good manager, but as we've seen with the likes of Moyes, Potter, Nuno, moving from a lesser club to a big 6 club isn't easy. They're such a mess right now that i think they have to look to someone with the experience of managing a giant club who can deal with the pressure and having the eyes of the world on them every day.6 -
Glasner will come in and Southgate will go to the filth.
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Interesting that they spent money getting rid of Ashworth as he championed an experienced PL manager over Amorim, and he's mates with Southgate/helped that culture shift with England.FirenzeAddick said:Southgate gets his pelters and people will laugh him off, but the most impactful thing he did as England manager was re-establish the love of playing for England. The work he did pre-tournament in Russia and the links he made with the players/media was a masterstroke.If a club ever needed a cultural reset its Man Utd and Southgate has the credentials for that.The football may well be turgid and no frills. But I can see him providing a base of stability that they need at the moment, having a steady pair of hands who knows how to build a culture could be the smartest move right now whilst the Glazers remain.
In hindsight, maybe keeping Ashworth and getting Southgate was a better call?0 -
It’s all part of football, rise and fall and maybe rise again. I’d love to see one of big teams really hit hard times but it probably unlikely to happen nowadays. I’m old enough to remember Man Utd getting relegated from the old first division, it was great day for football fans, to see a club that had won the European cup a few years before now having to play in the second tier. It only lasted a season and they were back but that season was a good payday for many clubs in division 2.I think the glazers will eventually sell up their majority holding while there is plenty of value left. Hopefully they will continue to hold onto some shares, just leach more money out.I can’t see Radcliffe getting the club back to where they were 20 years ago. To do that they will need a multi billionaire or Middle East country like PSG have to pump unlimited cash into the team and facilities. Radcliffe to me is quite a convenient billionaire to have, he makes all the right noises like building a new ground and such but he doesn’t have a controlling interest so I doubt he will deliver. I doubt he will risk losing much of his money on something he doesn’t totally controls.I think the future of Man U is pretty much as it is now, one of quite a few clubs that have 50,000 plus crowds each week chasing the 3-4 clubs that are in champions league permanently0
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I think part of the problem is Man Utd need to establish temselves as a top 8 club before they move on from there.0
