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Sheffield Wednesday - players and staff paid late 2 months in a row (p7)
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With Leicester, in theory they could slip away and a points deduction could be meaningless. It makes sense that the deduction takes place now whilst it is not. Not sure with Sheffield Wednesday. They haven't cheated, it is just the owner doesn't want to pay for them. Of course this is not sustainable but if the owner doesn't care if they get a points deduction or not, what does it acheive? I suppose it makes the club less attractive to buyers which might bother him. Maybe the EFL should give him a deadline for when wages should be paid and a threat that if they are not paid by then or again there will be a 6 point deduction. It is a difficult one.0
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The general consensus is that Chansiri has so much debt tied to the club that he can't afford to sell them in their current state because it wouldn't cover anything close to what he owes.MuttleyCAFC said:With Leicester, in theory they could slip away and a points deduction could be meaningless. It makes sense that the deduction takes place now whilst it is not. Not sure with Sheffield Wednesday. They haven't cheated, it is just the owner doesn't want to pay for them. Of course this is not sustainable but if the owner doesn't care if they get a points deduction or not, what does it acheive? I suppose it makes the club less attractive to buyers which might bother him. Maybe the EFL should give him a deadline for when wages should be paid and a threat that if they are not paid by then or again there will be a 6 point deduction. It is a difficult one.
The problem is if they drop into league one, then the value of the club drops even more so there's even less chance he will sell. I'm not sure how they get out of this mess.0 -
If he can't afford to sell them, they are surely in a death spiral. And how is the problem going to improve in time? I feel for them.0
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If Bannan picks up a long term injury?
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Unless he decides to cut his losses and write off tens of millions, he will just continue to run the club as cheaply as possible.MuttleyCAFC said:If he can't afford to sell them, they are surely in a death spiral. And how is the problem going to improve in time? I feel for them.
Aside from the club value plummeting there is also the issue that if they drop into league one they will lose out on the 9m extra EFL payments you get compared to league one.
Doesn't really seem like he's thought this through.1 -
But as cheaply as possible has to include paying your staff. Surely he is going to get deeper and deeper in dept.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Unless he decides to cut his losses and write off tens of millions, he will just continue to run the club as cheaply as possible.MuttleyCAFC said:If he can't afford to sell them, they are surely in a death spiral. And how is the problem going to improve in time? I feel for them.
Aside from the club value plummeting there is also the issue that if they drop into league one they will lose out on the 9m extra EFL payments you get compared to league one.
Doesn't really seem like he's thought this through.0 -
The EFL will always be toothless because it is owned by it's members. Owners aren't going to vote in rules that punish themselves if they lose interest14
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For me, this is where there's a big difference between not paying staff on time, but paying eventually, and being late with transfer payments to other clubs. Late payments to other football clubs I think starts to cross the line between being guilty of no more than chaotic organisation and gets into what you could call cheating.MuttleyCAFC said:With Leicester, in theory they could slip away and a points deduction could be meaningless. It makes sense that the deduction takes place now whilst it is not. Not sure with Sheffield Wednesday. They haven't cheated, it is just the owner doesn't want to pay for them. Of course this is not sustainable but if the owner doesn't care if they get a points deduction or not, what does it acheive? I suppose it makes the club less attractive to buyers which might bother him. Maybe the EFL should give him a deadline for when wages should be paid and a threat that if they are not paid by then or again there will be a 6 point deduction. It is a difficult one.5 -
From what I read, the Premier League are working with the EFL on how to deal with Leicester so they don't dodge punishment via promotionSwindon_Addick said:
For me, this is where there's a big difference between not paying staff on time, but paying eventually, and being late with transfer payments to other clubs. Late payments to other football clubs I think starts to cross the line between being guilty of no more than chaotic organisation and gets into what you could call cheating.MuttleyCAFC said:With Leicester, in theory they could slip away and a points deduction could be meaningless. It makes sense that the deduction takes place now whilst it is not. Not sure with Sheffield Wednesday. They haven't cheated, it is just the owner doesn't want to pay for them. Of course this is not sustainable but if the owner doesn't care if they get a points deduction or not, what does it acheive? I suppose it makes the club less attractive to buyers which might bother him. Maybe the EFL should give him a deadline for when wages should be paid and a threat that if they are not paid by then or again there will be a 6 point deduction. It is a difficult one.1 -
Possible 15 points deduction3
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Sort of. Leicester “escaped” EFL’s punishment previously because they got promoted and therefore out of their jurisdiction. One decent outcome of that is that the PL and EFL decided to close that loophole and work together, which is apparently why the PL have been handling what was a breach of EFL rules.Rothko said:
From what I read, the Premier League are working with the EFL on how to deal with Leicester so they don't dodge punishment via promotionSwindon_Addick said:
For me, this is where there's a big difference between not paying staff on time, but paying eventually, and being late with transfer payments to other clubs. Late payments to other football clubs I think starts to cross the line between being guilty of no more than chaotic organisation and gets into what you could call cheating.MuttleyCAFC said:With Leicester, in theory they could slip away and a points deduction could be meaningless. It makes sense that the deduction takes place now whilst it is not. Not sure with Sheffield Wednesday. They haven't cheated, it is just the owner doesn't want to pay for them. Of course this is not sustainable but if the owner doesn't care if they get a points deduction or not, what does it acheive? I suppose it makes the club less attractive to buyers which might bother him. Maybe the EFL should give him a deadline for when wages should be paid and a threat that if they are not paid by then or again there will be a 6 point deduction. It is a difficult one.There really isn’t an excuse though that judgement shouldn’t have been passed by now.7 -
That many would almost certainly mean they fill one of the three relegation spots. Be an absolute miracle if they stayed up with that sort of punishmentCaptainRobbo said:Possible 15 points deduction1 -
On that, I can’t recall exactly, but wasn’t it Sheff Weds that should’ve been pulled up for financial irregularities the season we went down in 19/20? I might be getting it confused with another club, but I swore someone got a points deduction rolled over to the next season or suspended that may well have meant we stayed up.5
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Correctcabbles said:On that, I can’t recall exactly, but wasn’t it Sheff Weds that should’ve been pulled up for financial irregularities the season we went down in 19/20? I might be getting it confused with another club, but I swore someone got a points deduction rolled over to the next season or suspended that may well have meant we stayed up.4 -
Think they'd still be fine to stay up, were that to be applied now they'd be on -2 points which is only 8 away from Oxford in 21st. So they'd be able to make that up across the remaining 37 games.cabbles said:
That many would almost certainly mean they fill one of the three relegation spots. Be an absolute miracle if they stayed up with that sort of punishmentCaptainRobbo said:Possible 15 points deduction
Although some of their better players would probably start looking for moves that could get them playing In the prem next season so the rebuild would be more painful.0 -
Ugh, on the one hand it means they are likely to go down so one less relegation spot for us to worry about (and avoiding relegation is still my biggest aim for the season). On the other hand 15 points is a really brutal penalty, and the people that suffer won’t really be the one man that’s behind all these issues. On the third hand it’s Wednesday, so fuck ‘em.CaptainRobbo said:Possible 15 points deduction7 -
The whole thing is a farce. They breached EFL rules and the logical thing to do once it became fairly obvious they'd be relegated would've been to issue them with a punishment that would be applied at the start of this season.TelMc32 said:
Sort of. Leicester “escaped” EFL’s punishment previously because they got promoted and therefore out of their jurisdiction. One decent outcome of that is that the PL and EFL decided to close that loophole and work together, which is apparently why the PL have been handling what was a breach of EFL rules.Rothko said:
From what I read, the Premier League are working with the EFL on how to deal with Leicester so they don't dodge punishment via promotionSwindon_Addick said:
For me, this is where there's a big difference between not paying staff on time, but paying eventually, and being late with transfer payments to other clubs. Late payments to other football clubs I think starts to cross the line between being guilty of no more than chaotic organisation and gets into what you could call cheating.MuttleyCAFC said:With Leicester, in theory they could slip away and a points deduction could be meaningless. It makes sense that the deduction takes place now whilst it is not. Not sure with Sheffield Wednesday. They haven't cheated, it is just the owner doesn't want to pay for them. Of course this is not sustainable but if the owner doesn't care if they get a points deduction or not, what does it acheive? I suppose it makes the club less attractive to buyers which might bother him. Maybe the EFL should give him a deadline for when wages should be paid and a threat that if they are not paid by then or again there will be a 6 point deduction. It is a difficult one.There really isn’t an excuse though that judgement shouldn’t have been passed by now.
But no, that is just too simple.3 -
They would be on -9 not -2. They have 6 points currently.ForestHillAddick said:
Think they'd still be fine to stay up, were that to be applied now they'd be on -2 points which is only 8 away from Oxford in 21st. So they'd be able to make that up across the remaining 37 games.cabbles said:
That many would almost certainly mean they fill one of the three relegation spots. Be an absolute miracle if they stayed up with that sort of punishmentCaptainRobbo said:Possible 15 points deduction
Although some of their better players would probably start looking for moves that could get them playing In the prem next season so the rebuild would be more painful.2 -
Personally, I can't see Wednesday being 15 points clear of 22nd place by end of season. So feel a 15 point deduction would likely relegate them.ForestHillAddick said:
Think they'd still be fine to stay up, were that to be applied now they'd be on -2 points which is only 8 away from Oxford in 21st. So they'd be able to make that up across the remaining 37 games.cabbles said:
That many would almost certainly mean they fill one of the three relegation spots. Be an absolute miracle if they stayed up with that sort of punishmentCaptainRobbo said:Possible 15 points deduction
Although some of their better players would probably start looking for moves that could get them playing In the prem next season so the rebuild would be more painful.1 -
Whoops, the 15 points comment followed a comment about Leicester so thought it was referring to them.CAFC_boi said:
They would be on -9 not -2. They have 6 points currently.ForestHillAddick said:
Think they'd still be fine to stay up, were that to be applied now they'd be on -2 points which is only 8 away from Oxford in 21st. So they'd be able to make that up across the remaining 37 games.cabbles said:
That many would almost certainly mean they fill one of the three relegation spots. Be an absolute miracle if they stayed up with that sort of punishmentCaptainRobbo said:Possible 15 points deduction
Although some of their better players would probably start looking for moves that could get them playing In the prem next season so the rebuild would be more painful.
Yeah Wednesday would definitely be down with a 15 point deduction.0 - Sponsored links:
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Why are people discussing a 15 deduction like it's a fact?0
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Because it was in the Sun so it must be true.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:Why are people discussing a 15 deduction like it's a fact?
Also why I said possible deduction.
Should we start a Sheff Wednesday rumour thread?0 -
With their tiny squad, it would have been a miracle if Wednesday stayed up anyway.
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Unbeaten in 3 though and i think they're definitely doing better than most people expected.killerandflash said:With their tiny squad, it would have been a miracle if Wednesday stayed up anyway.
That said, i'd be quite surprised if they don't lose all of their next 3 games.1 -
Always easier earlier in the season in these situations. They can get motivation from being up against it but aren’t struggling with injuries yet and haven’t had a bit of bad form for heads to go down. Siege mentality can only get you so farChris_from_Sidcup said:
Unbeaten in 3 though and i think they're definitely doing better than most people expected.killerandflash said:With their tiny squad, it would have been a miracle if Wednesday stayed up anyway.
That said, i'd be quite surprised if they don't lose all of their next 3 games.1 -
At some point Bannon will pick up an injury. They're doing brilliantly, but 46 games is a LONG and physically challenging season.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Unbeaten in 3 though and i think they're definitely doing better than most people expected.killerandflash said:With their tiny squad, it would have been a miracle if Wednesday stayed up anyway.
That said, i'd be quite surprised if they don't lose all of their next 3 games.4 -
Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Unbeaten in 3 though and i think they're definitely doing better than most people expected.killerandflash said:With their tiny squad, it would have been a miracle if Wednesday stayed up anyway.
That said, i'd be quite surprised if they don't lose all of their next 3 games.
It'll take the wind out of our sails should they beat us next week.
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Must win game for us vs the Massives. Anything less will be a disaster down the line potentially.4
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Wednesday or LeicesterCaptainRobbo said:Possible 15 points deduction0 -
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