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Michael Hector - March 2025: signed for Dagenham and Redbridge til end of season (p31)

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  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,267
    Didn't Hector give up playing for a year or so to look after his seriously ill Father ? 
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,594
    Braziliance said:
    NabySarr said:
    Braziliance said:
    sam3110 said:
    Braziliance said:
    Michael Hector at 33 years old, baller league draft 

    https://x.com/BallerLeagueUK/status/1975201554664960353?t=LaUtwxJ7oS6NPzY7mujB-g&s=19

    Carl Piergianni at 33 years old, captain of a table topping League 1 side and putting up consistent numbers, again 



    Hector


    Piergianni 
    Irrelevant. That was then, this is recent/present.

    I called he was better than every centre back we had at the time, and it was ridiculed, repeatedly. 

    There isn't a single centre back we had on our books at the time playing at a higher level now, they can't even get League 2 contracts. 

    Piergianni might be a Championship player next year, and even if he isn't, it is beyond doubt he is a top League 1 centre back, like I said at the time.




    Tbf we had Lloyd Jones so in hindsight ridicule was correct. Not sure if we also had Gillesphey at the time but he’s also proven to be a much better all-round player than Piergianni. 

    Piergianni has certain strengths that work if he plays for a certain style team. He would have been a poor signing for us but he’s great for Stevenage 
    I have never said he is better than Lloyd, said multiple times he is our best centre back since the Prem. 

    Piergianni is just a very good centre back, amazing people can't admit it when all the proof is there for them.
    Sorry but if he was a very good centre back he wouldn’t still be at Stevenage. 
  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 633
    charltonbob said:
    Didn't Hector give up playing for a year or so to look after his seriously ill Father ? 
    Some might say he gave up playing frequently, while still at Charlton.
  • Bostonaddick
    Bostonaddick Posts: 819
    The more important question is has any player been loaned out as much as Hector - 15 times over the course of his career.  Everywhere from Didcot Town to Frankfurt
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,362
    edited October 8
    LargeAddick said:
    Braziliance said:
    NabySarr said:
    Braziliance said:
    sam3110 said:
    Braziliance said:
    Michael Hector at 33 years old, baller league draft 

    https://x.com/BallerLeagueUK/status/1975201554664960353?t=LaUtwxJ7oS6NPzY7mujB-g&s=19

    Carl Piergianni at 33 years old, captain of a table topping League 1 side and putting up consistent numbers, again 



    Hector


    Piergianni 
    Irrelevant. That was then, this is recent/present.

    I called he was better than every centre back we had at the time, and it was ridiculed, repeatedly. 

    There isn't a single centre back we had on our books at the time playing at a higher level now, they can't even get League 2 contracts. 

    Piergianni might be a Championship player next year, and even if he isn't, it is beyond doubt he is a top League 1 centre back, like I said at the time.




    Tbf we had Lloyd Jones so in hindsight ridicule was correct. Not sure if we also had Gillesphey at the time but he’s also proven to be a much better all-round player than Piergianni. 

    Piergianni has certain strengths that work if he plays for a certain style team. He would have been a poor signing for us but he’s great for Stevenage 
    I have never said he is better than Lloyd, said multiple times he is our best centre back since the Prem. 

    Piergianni is just a very good centre back, amazing people can't admit it when all the proof is there for them.
    Sorry but if he was a very good centre back he wouldn’t still be at Stevenage. 
    His age has gone against him. 

    If he was at his level of the last 3 years and in his 20s, someone would have gone for him. 

    We went for Sam Lavelle and he's honestly about 100x better than Lavelle.

    Same reason as to why we will likely keep Lloydy when he is good enough to be in a Championship promotion side/play for a bigger club.

    You could even apply your logic to Josh Edwards or Kayne Ramsay, how were they playing Scottish div2 and English level 4 when they were Championship ready. If they were in their 30s, it is unlikely we would have signed them. 

    Certain players peak when they get older is all
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,062
    Lavelle was a last minute deadline day signing because our main target Jason Kerr went to Wigan when they were throwing cash around under the Bahraini owners they had. Think he was purely who was available at the time and in budget, was probably earmarked at the time as the replacement for JP. 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,356
    edited October 8
    MarcusH26 said:
    Lavelle was a last minute deadline day signing because our main target Jason Kerr went to Wigan when they were throwing cash around under the Bahraini owners they had. Think he was purely who was available at the time and in budget, was probably earmarked at the time as the replacement for JP. 
    I remember Lavelle talking about this in an article. We were already in the middle of signing him when we heard Kerr was available, and so asked Sam to wait in his SE London hotel while we tried to pursue someone better! When we couldn't get Kerr, we went back to Lavelle. He said he was sitting and waiting to see if we still wanted him. I remember reading that and thinking crikey, what a brutal business. 
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,092
    Chunes said:
    MarcusH26 said:
    Lavelle was a last minute deadline day signing because our main target Jason Kerr went to Wigan when they were throwing cash around under the Bahraini owners they had. Think he was purely who was available at the time and in budget, was probably earmarked at the time as the replacement for JP. 
    I remember Lavelle talking about this in an article. We were already in the middle of signing him when we heard Kerr was available, and so asked Sam to wait in his SE London hotel while we tried to pursue someone better! When we couldn't get Kerr, we went back to Lavelle. He said he was sitting and waiting to see if we still wanted him. I remember reading that and thinking crikey, what a brutal business. 

    It's stories like this that make me more tolerant of players when they do the dirty on a club, it works both ways, it's a business for the club and for the player it is their livelihood.
  • DubaiCAFC
    DubaiCAFC Posts: 2,461
    sam3110 said:
    Braziliance said:
    NabySarr said:
    Braziliance said:
    NabySarr said:
    Braziliance said:
    sam3110 said:
    Braziliance said:
    Michael Hector at 33 years old, baller league draft 

    https://x.com/BallerLeagueUK/status/1975201554664960353?t=LaUtwxJ7oS6NPzY7mujB-g&s=19

    Carl Piergianni at 33 years old, captain of a table topping League 1 side and putting up consistent numbers, again 



    Hector


    Piergianni 
    Irrelevant. That was then, this is recent/present.

    I called he was better than every centre back we had at the time, and it was ridiculed, repeatedly. 

    There isn't a single centre back we had on our books at the time playing at a higher level now, they can't even get League 2 contracts. 

    Piergianni might be a Championship player next year, and even if he isn't, it is beyond doubt he is a top League 1 centre back, like I said at the time.




    Tbf we had Lloyd Jones so in hindsight ridicule was correct. Not sure if we also had Gillesphey at the time but he’s also proven to be a much better all-round player than Piergianni. 

    Piergianni has certain strengths that work if he plays for a certain style team. He would have been a poor signing for us but he’s great for Stevenage 
    I have never said he is better than Lloyd, said multiple times he is our best centre back since the Prem. 

    Piergianni is just a very good centre back, amazing people can't admit it when all the proof is there for them.
    You just said you called that he was better than every centre back we had at the time. At the time we had Jones and Gillesphey who have both proven to be much better since

    Piergianni is a very good centre back for a team that plays a certain way at league 1 level. If he was as good as you say he is, do you not think at the very least a larger budget league 1 team would have signed him? It wouldn’t have been difficult to get him out of Stevenage 

    He's a very good defender, but if you asked him to play for a better team he’d be exposed in possession and exposed when asked to defend much higher up the pitch than he does with Stevenage. That’s why his career has hit a ceiling, he’s very good at what he does, and in that role he’s probably one of the best in league 1. But that doesn’t mean he would have been a good signing for us
    Na, we didn't have the version of Lloyd Jones we had in the 24/25 and this season, he was struggling with injury and no one on this forum knew just how good he would become.

    Macca was a January signing. 

    I was comparing him to Terell & Hector, who were more main stay in our side. 

    Even if I was to compare Piergianni to Macca and Lloydy that season, he wins that debate, comfortably. Stats will back that up. Number 1 rated player on WhoScored, Number 2 on SofaScore. The best centre back that season alongside Cashin, that's a statistical fact, not an opinion. 

    His age went against him transfer wise, if he was younger, he would be at a bigger club, just like Lloyd Jones now. If Lloyd Jones was playing to this level and was in his early 20s, he would be elsewhere this season. 

    As for his playstyle, in the last two seasons, he has almost identical passing stats to Lloydy before he came to Charlton (66-68%) it is only since Lloyd has been here his passing stats have improved, that's what coaching is for.

    This isn't about Lloyd anyway, this is just about how many shit centre backs we have had in the last decade. Makes me laugh. 

    Michael Hector was pants. 
    And if we signed Piergianni, he would have been added to that list
    100% he is a case of it has worked at club - move to another club and wouldn't have worked, and would be back in the national league! And I still don't think he is any good! Just get's his nut on the ball!
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,362
    MarcusH26 said:
    Lavelle was a last minute deadline day signing because our main target Jason Kerr went to Wigan when they were throwing cash around under the Bahraini owners they had. Think he was purely who was available at the time and in budget, was probably earmarked at the time as the replacement for JP. 
    Still, we signed him and there would have been probably hundreds if not thousands of better offers.

    Playing for a bigger club doesn't mean you are a better player, not in all cases. 

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  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,062
    Braziliance said:
    MarcusH26 said:
    Lavelle was a last minute deadline day signing because our main target Jason Kerr went to Wigan when they were throwing cash around under the Bahraini owners they had. Think he was purely who was available at the time and in budget, was probably earmarked at the time as the replacement for JP. 
    Still, we signed him and there would have been probably hundreds if not thousands of better offers.

    Playing for a bigger club doesn't mean you are a better player, not in all cases. 
    I think the deal was so last minute it was " who's available" , which does sum up a lot of the transfer thinking under Sandgaards ownership which seemed incredibly muddled ending with a Hodgepodge squad of 4 managers signings that we've only really now finished sorting out and seem to have a clear strategy now with NJ and Chapple. 

    I don't think the current setup would make the same mistakes.
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,362
    DubaiCAFC said:
    sam3110 said:
    Braziliance said:
    NabySarr said:
    Braziliance said:
    NabySarr said:
    Braziliance said:
    sam3110 said:
    Braziliance said:
    Michael Hector at 33 years old, baller league draft 

    https://x.com/BallerLeagueUK/status/1975201554664960353?t=LaUtwxJ7oS6NPzY7mujB-g&s=19

    Carl Piergianni at 33 years old, captain of a table topping League 1 side and putting up consistent numbers, again 



    Hector


    Piergianni 
    Irrelevant. That was then, this is recent/present.

    I called he was better than every centre back we had at the time, and it was ridiculed, repeatedly. 

    There isn't a single centre back we had on our books at the time playing at a higher level now, they can't even get League 2 contracts. 

    Piergianni might be a Championship player next year, and even if he isn't, it is beyond doubt he is a top League 1 centre back, like I said at the time.




    Tbf we had Lloyd Jones so in hindsight ridicule was correct. Not sure if we also had Gillesphey at the time but he’s also proven to be a much better all-round player than Piergianni. 

    Piergianni has certain strengths that work if he plays for a certain style team. He would have been a poor signing for us but he’s great for Stevenage 
    I have never said he is better than Lloyd, said multiple times he is our best centre back since the Prem. 

    Piergianni is just a very good centre back, amazing people can't admit it when all the proof is there for them.
    You just said you called that he was better than every centre back we had at the time. At the time we had Jones and Gillesphey who have both proven to be much better since

    Piergianni is a very good centre back for a team that plays a certain way at league 1 level. If he was as good as you say he is, do you not think at the very least a larger budget league 1 team would have signed him? It wouldn’t have been difficult to get him out of Stevenage 

    He's a very good defender, but if you asked him to play for a better team he’d be exposed in possession and exposed when asked to defend much higher up the pitch than he does with Stevenage. That’s why his career has hit a ceiling, he’s very good at what he does, and in that role he’s probably one of the best in league 1. But that doesn’t mean he would have been a good signing for us
    Na, we didn't have the version of Lloyd Jones we had in the 24/25 and this season, he was struggling with injury and no one on this forum knew just how good he would become.

    Macca was a January signing. 

    I was comparing him to Terell & Hector, who were more main stay in our side. 

    Even if I was to compare Piergianni to Macca and Lloydy that season, he wins that debate, comfortably. Stats will back that up. Number 1 rated player on WhoScored, Number 2 on SofaScore. The best centre back that season alongside Cashin, that's a statistical fact, not an opinion. 

    His age went against him transfer wise, if he was younger, he would be at a bigger club, just like Lloyd Jones now. If Lloyd Jones was playing to this level and was in his early 20s, he would be elsewhere this season. 

    As for his playstyle, in the last two seasons, he has almost identical passing stats to Lloydy before he came to Charlton (66-68%) it is only since Lloyd has been here his passing stats have improved, that's what coaching is for.

    This isn't about Lloyd anyway, this is just about how many shit centre backs we have had in the last decade. Makes me laugh. 

    Michael Hector was pants. 
    And if we signed Piergianni, he would have been added to that list
    100% he is a case of it has worked at club - move to another club and wouldn't have worked, and would be back in the national league! And I still don't think he is any good! Just get's his nut on the ball!
    You or no one else can say that for sure, especially as to drop as far as the National League.

    Ryan Innis won every header and that's what was seen as all he can do, how comes he isn't playing for a good league 1 side anymore? Only 30.

    Amazing that a player that has been in a team of the season playing for Stevenage, and been top of the charts defensively for many seasons, just gets his nut on the ball. 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,034
    Why are we talking about Piergianni?

    An average player who's been a pro for about 15 years and spent 8 of them in non-league and another 4 years in league two.
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,362
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Why are we talking about Piergianni?

    An average player who's been a pro for about 15 years and spent 8 of them in non-league and another 4 years in league two.
    Alfie May from 2012 till 2017 was playing non-league, and spent around 3 years in League 2. Suppose that makes Alfie May an average player, and not an excellent League one striker. 

    Lyle Taylor played non-league for about 4 years and loads of spells in League 2. It doesn't matter where you start.

    I am bringing him up because it's relevant to the thread. 

    If people could admit he is actually a very good league 1 defender, and that Michael Hector was pants I wouldn't bring it up anymore. 

    It's important to be correct on Charlton Life. If people are gonna bring up things I have posted, I'll always be sure to remember to do it myself when it's relevant.


  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,190
    Players peak at different times due to a large number of factors. It’s part of why some signings look exciting and flop and why others seem disappointing but are massive successes. Piergianni is great at Stevenage and has benefited from the stability of being there for a while and improving with them. He might have been great here, he might have been awful. Ultimately a lot of our defensive issues seem to have been system and standards driven rather than actual personnel, maybe he could have fixed that but I doubt it 
  • ElliotCAFC
    ElliotCAFC Posts: 2,553
    Braziliance said:
    DubaiCAFC said:
    sam3110 said:
    Braziliance said:
    NabySarr said:
    Braziliance said:
    NabySarr said:
    Braziliance said:
    sam3110 said:
    Braziliance said:
    Michael Hector at 33 years old, baller league draft 

    https://x.com/BallerLeagueUK/status/1975201554664960353?t=LaUtwxJ7oS6NPzY7mujB-g&s=19

    Carl Piergianni at 33 years old, captain of a table topping League 1 side and putting up consistent numbers, again 



    Hector


    Piergianni 
    Irrelevant. That was then, this is recent/present.

    I called he was better than every centre back we had at the time, and it was ridiculed, repeatedly. 

    There isn't a single centre back we had on our books at the time playing at a higher level now, they can't even get League 2 contracts. 

    Piergianni might be a Championship player next year, and even if he isn't, it is beyond doubt he is a top League 1 centre back, like I said at the time.




    Tbf we had Lloyd Jones so in hindsight ridicule was correct. Not sure if we also had Gillesphey at the time but he’s also proven to be a much better all-round player than Piergianni. 

    Piergianni has certain strengths that work if he plays for a certain style team. He would have been a poor signing for us but he’s great for Stevenage 
    I have never said he is better than Lloyd, said multiple times he is our best centre back since the Prem. 

    Piergianni is just a very good centre back, amazing people can't admit it when all the proof is there for them.
    You just said you called that he was better than every centre back we had at the time. At the time we had Jones and Gillesphey who have both proven to be much better since

    Piergianni is a very good centre back for a team that plays a certain way at league 1 level. If he was as good as you say he is, do you not think at the very least a larger budget league 1 team would have signed him? It wouldn’t have been difficult to get him out of Stevenage 

    He's a very good defender, but if you asked him to play for a better team he’d be exposed in possession and exposed when asked to defend much higher up the pitch than he does with Stevenage. That’s why his career has hit a ceiling, he’s very good at what he does, and in that role he’s probably one of the best in league 1. But that doesn’t mean he would have been a good signing for us
    Na, we didn't have the version of Lloyd Jones we had in the 24/25 and this season, he was struggling with injury and no one on this forum knew just how good he would become.

    Macca was a January signing. 

    I was comparing him to Terell & Hector, who were more main stay in our side. 

    Even if I was to compare Piergianni to Macca and Lloydy that season, he wins that debate, comfortably. Stats will back that up. Number 1 rated player on WhoScored, Number 2 on SofaScore. The best centre back that season alongside Cashin, that's a statistical fact, not an opinion. 

    His age went against him transfer wise, if he was younger, he would be at a bigger club, just like Lloyd Jones now. If Lloyd Jones was playing to this level and was in his early 20s, he would be elsewhere this season. 

    As for his playstyle, in the last two seasons, he has almost identical passing stats to Lloydy before he came to Charlton (66-68%) it is only since Lloyd has been here his passing stats have improved, that's what coaching is for.

    This isn't about Lloyd anyway, this is just about how many shit centre backs we have had in the last decade. Makes me laugh. 

    Michael Hector was pants. 
    And if we signed Piergianni, he would have been added to that list
    100% he is a case of it has worked at club - move to another club and wouldn't have worked, and would be back in the national league! And I still don't think he is any good! Just get's his nut on the ball!
    You or no one else can say that for sure, especially as to drop as far as the National League.

    Ryan Innis won every header and that's what was seen as all he can do, how comes he isn't playing for a good league 1 side anymore? Only 30.

    Amazing that a player that has been in a team of the season playing for Stevenage, and been top of the charts defensively for many seasons, just gets his nut on the ball. 
    Because his body is pretty much a sentient poppadom.

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