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Jonjo Shelvey in Dubai
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I think that if you go on Facebook, you'll see lots of comments where people do derive their opinions and attitudes from Facebook.LenGlover said:If you've been a victim of crime then your attitude will be different to some of the blase (isn't London wonerful!) stuff expressed on this thread. Most of us derive our opinions and attitudes from life experience not Facebook.9 -
Maybe some people do but life experience is important too in my opinion, certainly for me as I do not really use Facebook.ME14addick said:
I think that if you go on Facebook, you'll see lots of comments where people do derive their opinions and attitudes from Facebook.LenGlover said:If you've been a victim of crime then your attitude will be different to some of the blase (isn't London wonerful!) stuff expressed on this thread. Most of us derive our opinions and attitudes from life experience not Facebook.0 -
LenGlover said:If you've been a victim of crime then your attitude will be different to some of the blase (isn't London wonderful!) stuff expressed on this thread. Most of us derive our opinions and attitudes from life experience not Facebook.For 11 years I worked in and around Tottenham, I never once saw a fist thrown. However, often I would hear stories of problems, and I would certainly not live there as it is edgy putting it mildly.I have experienced more problems living in Bromley for 30 years.As you say, opinions and attitudes from life experience.0
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I’m out in London quite regularly (City and West End) and have never had an issue. Likewise, when I’ve been abroad in big cities (Paris, Barcelona, Brussels, Milan), locals have advised to take care in the “edgier” parts of the cities. Like London, being sensible there goes a long way to having an incident free day/night.Plaaayer said:I can only think those people who believe London is a safe environment can’t go up there much.P.S. I do appreciate that being a big, ugly fecker goes some way to deterring toerags from approaching me.4 -
Khan still needs to hoofed out as Mayor of London, but that is another matter.
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Should we change the title of this thread? I came on here thinking I'd be reading about Jonjo's new exploits in Dubai but I am getting a critique of London living. Classic Charlton Life, please never change.2
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My niece lives in London with her boyfriend, in an area I've always thought of as unsafe. They both enjoy living there and say they don't feel unsafe.
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But Len, me old mate; you are about as old as me, I believe. Which means you are talking about an incident in circa. 1971. Twenty years before JonJo was born.LenGlover said:
I was attacked by 4 youths in Central London at the age of 17. I punched my way out and ran. At that time I was quick and escaped. A month later an older man was attacked by 4 youths where I was attacked and later died. Was it the same 4 youths? Who knows but I have always been wary in London and have not gone and will not go there unless I absolutely have to for some reason.LenGlover said:If you've been a victim of crime then your attitude will be different to some of the blase (isn't London wonderful!) stuff expressed on this thread. Most of us derive our opinions and attitudes from life experience not Facebook.4 -
Only the ones that ain’t got knobs.Curb_It said:Are you not supposed to refer to women as females?6 -
I happily lived in Streatham and Brixton for 4 years areas my parents would refuse to go to. Yet I had a wonderful time and felt very safe, as did my then girlfriend now wife.4
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Maybe its the pubs I go to but I very rarely see a punch up in a pub nowadays. Do they go on? Back in the day you had to dodge out the way possibly a few times a night as people went windmilling past you. It was wild at times.
I go in and out to London around 4 times a week. Working in the City is like working in a bubble. It's very safe even though I agree, phone snatchings do go on. I keep my wits about me more when I'm getting off at Woolwich and going home on that part of the journey. Though I rarely see any danger or ever feel threatened but if I come home late I do catch a cab outside the station. It's what you are used to I guess.
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Two places that are a shocker, Croydon, particularly West Croydon side, and Peckham.
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Maybe you haven't been to Peckham for a couple of years but it's quite up and coming and being gentrified now, certainly doesn't live up to the reputation it had a few years ago.ElfsborgAddick said:Two places that are a shocker, Croydon, particularly West Croydon side, and Peckham.
Regardless, most "rough" places in London feel much safer than the "rough" places in other European cities. I spent 4/5 years starting at 18 working late night in Brixton, travelling across south London on night buses between and only saw any trouble a handful of times5 -
I was in West Croydon last week , shitehole of a place , was glad to get out of there.ElfsborgAddick said:Two places that are a shocker, Croydon, particularly West Croydon side, and Peckham.1 -
I wonder how long it will be before jonJo runs in to that other Dubai expat with Charlton connections, Matt Southall.0
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A lot of my friends live in Peckham and it's gentrified as anything nowfenaddick said:
Maybe you haven't been to Peckham for a couple of years but it's quite up and coming and being gentrified now, certainly doesn't live up to the reputation it had a few years ago.ElfsborgAddick said:Two places that are a shocker, Croydon, particularly West Croydon side, and Peckham.
Regardless, most "rough" places in London feel much safer than the "rough" places in other European cities. I spent 4/5 years starting at 18 working late night in Brixton, travelling across south London on night buses between and only saw any trouble a handful of times3 -
A shocker to who, people who haven't heard of London?ElfsborgAddick said:Two places that are a shocker, Croydon, particularly West Croydon side, and Peckham.
Croydon is in Surrey and an absolute khazi, i have many stories about that place. Peckham is improving and has some decent pubs.2 -
Was charged £27 for curry and rice at a Malaysian place in Peckham the other day. It was nice, but it's also a sign of what the area has turned into. The Georgian place by the common however is one of the best restaurants in London for mine1
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Charlton is in London, you must have seen a few fights in the 70s & 80s.LenGlover said:
I was attacked by 4 youths in Central London at the age of 17. I punched my way out and ran. At that time I was quick and escaped. A month later an older man was attacked by 4 youths where I was attacked and later died. Was it the same 4 youths? Who knows but I have always been wary in London and have not gone and will not go there unless I absolutely have to for some reason.LenGlover said:If you've been a victim of crime then your attitude will be different to some of the blase (isn't London wonderful!) stuff expressed on this thread. Most of us derive our opinions and attitudes from life experience not Facebook.1 -
Saw plenty of fights in SE London but saw rather than involved by being attacked myself. Big difference.charltonkeston said:
Charlton is in London, you must have seen a few fights in the 70s & 80s.LenGlover said:
I was attacked by 4 youths in Central London at the age of 17. I punched my way out and ran. At that time I was quick and escaped. A month later an older man was attacked by 4 youths where I was attacked and later died. Was it the same 4 youths? Who knows but I have always been wary in London and have not gone and will not go there unless I absolutely have to for some reason.LenGlover said:If you've been a victim of crime then your attitude will be different to some of the blase (isn't London wonderful!) stuff expressed on this thread. Most of us derive our opinions and attitudes from life experience not Facebook.0 -
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True enough but my point is that I can empathise with Jonjo's fears and reservations because of my own experience.PragueAddick said:
But Len, me old mate; you are about as old as me, I believe. Which means you are talking about an incident in circa. 1971. Twenty years before JonJo was born.LenGlover said:
I was attacked by 4 youths in Central London at the age of 17. I punched my way out and ran. At that time I was quick and escaped. A month later an older man was attacked by 4 youths where I was attacked and later died. Was it the same 4 youths? Who knows but I have always been wary in London and have not gone and will not go there unless I absolutely have to for some reason.LenGlover said:If you've been a victim of crime then your attitude will be different to some of the blase (isn't London wonderful!) stuff expressed on this thread. Most of us derive our opinions and attitudes from life experience not Facebook.
Others have posted how wonderful London is and suggested Jonjo is in the wrong.
I've just posted the other side of the coin.1 -
He's objectively wrong to suggest that London has suddenly, recently, become rough and dangerous. He even describes his own lived experiences in the article, which date back 20 years. I can forgive him that, he's a footballer, not a social sciences professor but his comments are being used and mendaciously manipulated by people with agendas. That's what people are reacting to, as far as I can tell.LenGlover said:
True enough but my point is that I can empathise with Jonjo's fears and reservations because of my own experience.PragueAddick said:
But Len, me old mate; you are about as old as me, I believe. Which means you are talking about an incident in circa. 1971. Twenty years before JonJo was born.LenGlover said:
I was attacked by 4 youths in Central London at the age of 17. I punched my way out and ran. At that time I was quick and escaped. A month later an older man was attacked by 4 youths where I was attacked and later died. Was it the same 4 youths? Who knows but I have always been wary in London and have not gone and will not go there unless I absolutely have to for some reason.LenGlover said:If you've been a victim of crime then your attitude will be different to some of the blase (isn't London wonderful!) stuff expressed on this thread. Most of us derive our opinions and attitudes from life experience not Facebook.
Others have posted how wonderful London is and suggested Jonjo is in the wrong.
I've just posted the other side of the coin.
I'm sorry you were attacked in that way though. You can't un-see something like that, especially at that age.
Hope you are keeping well nowadays.6 -
PragueAddick said:
He's objectively wrong to suggest that London has suddenly, recently, become rough and dangerous. He even describes his own lived experiences in the article, which date back 20 years. I can forgive him that, he's a footballer, not a social sciences professor but his comments are being used and mendaciously manipulated by people with agendas. That's what people are reacting to, as far as I can tell.LenGlover said:
True enough but my point is that I can empathise with Jonjo's fears and reservations because of my own experience.PragueAddick said:
But Len, me old mate; you are about as old as me, I believe. Which means you are talking about an incident in circa. 1971. Twenty years before JonJo was born.LenGlover said:
I was attacked by 4 youths in Central London at the age of 17. I punched my way out and ran. At that time I was quick and escaped. A month later an older man was attacked by 4 youths where I was attacked and later died. Was it the same 4 youths? Who knows but I have always been wary in London and have not gone and will not go there unless I absolutely have to for some reason.LenGlover said:If you've been a victim of crime then your attitude will be different to some of the blase (isn't London wonderful!) stuff expressed on this thread. Most of us derive our opinions and attitudes from life experience not Facebook.
Others have posted how wonderful London is and suggested Jonjo is in the wrong.
I've just posted the other side of the coin.
I'm sorry you were attacked in that way though. You can't un-see something like that, especially at that age.
Hope you are keeping well nowadays.
Fine thanks and enjoying retirement. Hope all well with you too.PragueAddick said:
He's objectively wrong to suggest that London has suddenly, recently, become rough and dangerous. He even describes his own lived experiences in the article, which date back 20 years. I can forgive him that, he's a footballer, not a social sciences professor but his comments are being used and mendaciously manipulated by people with agendas. That's what people are reacting to, as far as I can tell.LenGlover said:
True enough but my point is that I can empathise with Jonjo's fears and reservations because of my own experience.PragueAddick said:
But Len, me old mate; you are about as old as me, I believe. Which means you are talking about an incident in circa. 1971. Twenty years before JonJo was born.LenGlover said:
I was attacked by 4 youths in Central London at the age of 17. I punched my way out and ran. At that time I was quick and escaped. A month later an older man was attacked by 4 youths where I was attacked and later died. Was it the same 4 youths? Who knows but I have always been wary in London and have not gone and will not go there unless I absolutely have to for some reason.LenGlover said:If you've been a victim of crime then your attitude will be different to some of the blase (isn't London wonderful!) stuff expressed on this thread. Most of us derive our opinions and attitudes from life experience not Facebook.
Others have posted how wonderful London is and suggested Jonjo is in the wrong.
I've just posted the other side of the coin.
I'm sorry you were attacked in that way though. You can't un-see something like that, especially at that age.
Hope you are keeping well nowadays.1 -
I just call them my bitchesCurb_It said:Are you not supposed to refer to women as females?
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This is the kind of stupid misogynistic untimely comment to why I shouldn't be allowed on here after dark.Karim_myBagheri said:
I just call them my bitchesCurb_It said:Are you not supposed to refer to women as females?
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But is that not because you're a Londoner, you know the signals, the way people walk and talk, whereas any other big city looks intimidating straight away; but the longer time you spend there, you realise that it's not as bad as you first thought?fenaddick said:
Maybe you haven't been to Peckham for a couple of years but it's quite up and coming and being gentrified now, certainly doesn't live up to the reputation it had a few years ago.ElfsborgAddick said:Two places that are a shocker, Croydon, particularly West Croydon side, and Peckham.
Regardless, most "rough" places in London feel much safer than the "rough" places in other European cities. I spent 4/5 years starting at 18 working late night in Brixton, travelling across south London on night buses between and only saw any trouble a handful of times
Many Czechs are completely intimidated by London, anywhere in London, because they see so many non-white faces. When they voice these fears to me, I usually bristle but then check myself and try to remember that they didn't grow up in a multi-cultural environment.3 -
Yes, quite possibly. There’s definitely a familiarity factor but I still think London is a much safer city than lots of people want you to believePragueAddick said:
But is that not because you're a Londoner, you know the signals, the way people walk and talk, whereas any other big city looks intimidating straight away; but the longer time you spend there, you realise that it's not as bad as you first thought?fenaddick said:
Maybe you haven't been to Peckham for a couple of years but it's quite up and coming and being gentrified now, certainly doesn't live up to the reputation it had a few years ago.ElfsborgAddick said:Two places that are a shocker, Croydon, particularly West Croydon side, and Peckham.
Regardless, most "rough" places in London feel much safer than the "rough" places in other European cities. I spent 4/5 years starting at 18 working late night in Brixton, travelling across south London on night buses between and only saw any trouble a handful of times
Many Czechs are completely intimidated by London, anywhere in London, because they see so many non-white faces. When they voice these fears to me, I usually bristle but then check myself and try to remember that they didn't grow up in a multi-cultural environment.3 -
Guy cares more about his expensive watch than his wife's and daughter's human rights living in Dubai. Oh well.
Least they're apparently safe in their government mandated clothing. As long as they don't criticise the royal family.
Cancel culture though innit.7 -
I don't think I've ever felt unsafe in London, apart from not long ago leaving a gig at Brixton Academy and genuinely felt right on edge. Uber couldn't turn up quick enough.At the same time I don't think Dubai is as 'soulless' as people make out either. Luckily I've experienced both.
plus, who gives a fuck.1 -
Can we please refrain from posting facts.shirty5 said:The phone snatches in central London have been full on the last few months.Touch wood the main players have been caught and thinks hopefully will calm down again, but always be vigilant when out and about
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20vlpwrzwdo.amp
It's not fair to the people asserting that it's made up bollocks.
It's also noteworthy that although it's oh so safe and better these days, apparently if you take a precautionary check every 10 to 15 seconds you can see the thieves circling and alert them not to rob you.7
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