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After the Millwall game - club reply to CAST p34, further CAST response p45
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TootingRedArmy said:Reading the Fans forum minutes...
Why weren't there police in position to deal with trouble at Gate 21.....what a lame excuse, the police started to organise themselves when they were radio'd? and any police may agitate the situation!!??
So where and what were the 297 police on duty doing exactly? Oh I know sat in white vans rather than be ready and IN position to react immediately to trouble from Millwall fans?
Reading the minutes... looks like Police will do same next time we play Millwall as they "don't want to agitate the Millwall fans by keeping them behind" sort of unbelievable but sadly believable........
ME said he’d read stuff on social media about the management of the gate incident that wasn’t true. He said there were two stewards on site and there was radio comms to the control room about the incident. He said the police started to organise themselves to go there but it was resolved before they were needed. He said although it felt to him, and likely some supporters, that the incident was going on for ages, the whole thing was about four minutes long. He said police going in may have agitated the situation that had calmed, which is why the police commander decided not to send them in. EW said that when something happens that hasn’t happened before, the club need to change how they do things, namely what happened with Gate 21 and with pre and post-match communication around high-risk fixtures. JP said it was similar last time Charlton played
This is equal parts absolutely shocking and pathetic.6 -
How did the club think the police would be able to effectively communicate the post match arrangements with the fanbase?1
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From the Minutes...."He said although it felt to him, and likely some supporters, that the incident was going on for ages, the whole thing was about four minutes long. He said police going in may have agitated the situation that had calmed, which is why the police commander decided not to send them in"
......so Four Minutes is an acceptable time to not interven and stop disorder & attacking fans, causing disorder, does Police commander seriously think FOUR MINUTES is OK to have Millwall fans attacking Charlton fans?
Very disappointing meeting, the fact it was buried down the agenda says alot about the club, we know they don't want to have their own handling of the situ, put under surtinity? as it highlights their Total lack of communication, before, during and after.....
Why didn't the club insist that police were in the JS stand or positioned to react in seconds
police commander to police in white vans....."Don't worry lads stay looking at your phones, Millwall have broken through a gate and attacked Charlton fans, seems its died down.....no need to arrest the hooligans, just let them out at the end of the match and thank them for not attacking the police and causing damage to the ground!"
To the Club....We don't accept Police's answers or that Millwall not being kept behind is ok for any future matches, please sit down with the police and sort this out !6 -
So have the police arrested the spanner who attacked the Charlton fan? If not what investigation have they done on doing so?3
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The police make all these decisions, although the club’s willingness to pay for policing inside the ground will be a consideration.ElfsborgAddick said:Hopefully @Airman Brown can help here.Can we ask the police to keep the fans inside after the game, please give us the invoice and we'll pay the costs.We should question whether the idea that Millwall are such an outlier that they require unique handling is a valid judgement. Are they really worse than every other set of supporters at The Valley in all previous circumstances - and was this game really exceptional even in terms of the fixture against previous visits because there were a few more Charlton fans?
I would say the positioning of this by the club and the police is near hysterical and despite that they failed to manage an easily controllable incident at an obvious potential flashpoint. What were these 300 police all doing and why did we need them? Why did the club suppress the messaging put out by the police? Is the club seriously claiming that the police didn’t want fans to know where they could walk after the game? Did nobody ask? Why can’t we be told?3 -
PragueAddick said:
"EW said the club don’t like it and wish it was different, but the police are in charge of the policing of
Millwall and we’re not. He said if we play Millwall at home again it is quite likely they’ll want to do the
same thing and when we play Millwall at The Den it may be possible that they have a different
arrangement for away supporters which may mean Charlton fans are held back."
So there we have it. The police will do it again, and the Club feel powerless to change their minds.
I think the Club is powerless. So what are WE going to to about it? If we do nothing, then there is simply no point in complaining when we are put through this again.
There's the choice. Roll over, and shut up; or get organised and tell the police it is unacceptable to treat law-abiding citizens, who fund their salaries, in this way, when there is an obvious rational alternative.
Surely, if the police (in numbers) aren't in the ground because we dont want to pay them then its up to us how we deal with matters in the ground. The police then can control what happens outside the ground.
That being the case why dont we just lock the gates & dont let Millwall fans out for 30 mins. Or do the police actually control what we do on matchdays inside the ground too.1 -
They are the dominant voice on the safety advisory group, which advises the council on the safety certificate, so in terms of an issue like that they do. It would probably only be lawful to detain people on the advice of the police that it was necessary for public safety.golfaddick said:PragueAddick said:"EW said the club don’t like it and wish it was different, but the police are in charge of the policing of
Millwall and we’re not. He said if we play Millwall at home again it is quite likely they’ll want to do the
same thing and when we play Millwall at The Den it may be possible that they have a different
arrangement for away supporters which may mean Charlton fans are held back."
So there we have it. The police will do it again, and the Club feel powerless to change their minds.
I think the Club is powerless. So what are WE going to to about it? If we do nothing, then there is simply no point in complaining when we are put through this again.
There's the choice. Roll over, and shut up; or get organised and tell the police it is unacceptable to treat law-abiding citizens, who fund their salaries, in this way, when there is an obvious rational alternative.
Surely, if the police (in numbers) aren't in the ground because we dont want to pay them then its up to us how we deal with matters in the ground. The police then can control what happens outside the ground.
That being the case why dont we just lock the gates & dont let Millwall fans out for 30 mins. Or do the police actually control what we do on matchdays inside the ground too.0 -
ok, so how do we get organised and what do we do? count me in as i've done the formal police complaint thing and been told i won't be getting any feedback but that my complaint will be passed on - somehow we need to expose this shit for the nonsense it is - rewarding millwall fans for their reputation - something is seriously wrong with the met police - they want to pay 300 police to do fuck all in the easiest way possible even if it means pissing of 20,000 people in a way that would happen in no other part of the country.PragueAddick said:"EW said the club don’t like it and wish it was different, but the police are in charge of the policing of
Millwall and we’re not. He said if we play Millwall at home again it is quite likely they’ll want to do the
same thing and when we play Millwall at The Den it may be possible that they have a different
arrangement for away supporters which may mean Charlton fans are held back."
So there we have it. The police will do it again, and the Club feel powerless to change their minds.
I think the Club is powerless. So what are WE going to to about it? If we do nothing, then there is simply no point in complaining when we are put through this again.
There's the choice. Roll over, and shut up; or get organised and tell the police it is unacceptable to treat law-abiding citizens, who fund their salaries, in this way, when there is an obvious rational alternative.
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Been communicated better by QPR but we're now starting to see a pattern of Millwall not being held back at London away games and fans being diverted, will be interesting to see what happens when they host a London club
https://www.qpr.co.uk/news/2025/october/16/road-closures-millwall-161025/0 -
Millwall fans bundled in to the away end , I had a mate who didn’t have his ticket scanned think it was 10-15 mins before start and soooo many numbers turning up close to kick off there they just opened the gates to relieve the situation for a bit ……. It’s just pathetic crowd control all round1
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Just realised that bar anything happening in the cup, that will be us!fenaddick said:Been communicated better by QPR but we're now starting to see a pattern of Millwall not being held back at London away games and fans being diverted, will be interesting to see what happens when they host a London club
https://www.qpr.co.uk/news/2025/october/16/road-closures-millwall-161025/0 -
The more clubs and fans this happens to, the quicker it can be stopped - the silly thing is, trouble at football is probably less frequent than it has been for 60 years - I reckon the police are putting so much into policing all these protests about things happening on the other side of the world, they’ve given up with domestic stuff - a bit like the news - dominated by Israelis and Muslims and Middle East religious bollox - politicians, police, news outlets - fuck off - football is this countries religion now get your priorities right !!!1
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Would love Millwall to be drawn away at West Ham in the cup and the Old Bill trying to hold back their fans so Millwall can quickly get to the tube station and be home in time for their tea.7
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I don't think there's any doubt that we will get our usual treatment at the Den.fenaddick said:Been communicated better by QPR but we're now starting to see a pattern of Millwall not being held back at London away games and fans being diverted, will be interesting to see what happens when they host a London club
https://www.qpr.co.uk/news/2025/october/16/road-closures-millwall-161025/
This isn't about the Met having a new treatment for policing London derbies, it's about the way they police Millwall away games in London.
They seem to be saying they can't control them any other way. Which seems to fly in the face of what their (tamer) fans tell us on here that they're all angels now.
Anyway, closing a few roads at Palace and QPR isn't the same as what happened at The Valley. The geography of our ground meant that just about all of our home fans were dangerously funnelled down one road and therefore inconvenienced in some way,all so as to give Millwall favourable treatment.
Not entirely the same at QPR or Palace where all their stands aren't emptying out into one bottleneck.
So, even more reason to hold Millwall back at the Valley than elsewhere , because of the potentially dangerous bottle neck they manufactured.8 -
Regardless of whether we agree with the decision to divert home fans away from the ground both Crystal Palace and now QPR have endeavoured to communicate this to their supporters. Hopefully any diversion will not happen again but if so at least the Charlton comms team now have a template to follow.0
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Not for the attack, but apparently he said some hurty words online about some snowflakes and has been sent down for 3 years.guinnessaddick said:So have the police arrested the spanner who attacked the Charlton fan? If not what investigation have they done on doing so?0 -
fenaddick said:Been communicated better by QPR but we're now starting to see a pattern of Millwall not being held back at London away games and fans being diverted, will be interesting to see what happens when they host a London club
https://www.qpr.co.uk/news/2025/october/16/road-closures-millwall-161025/By the sounds of things it's not the first time they've done this to QPR either, although apparently it wasn't a great success last year.I know it wasn't that long ago, but did we divert in the same way?0 -
No surprises here.
Police will police football how they feel like it now, not interested in anything else.
Clubs won't pay for anymore police inside the ground than they have to.
Nothing will change this until there's a serious incident.
And when they feel there might be, they'll just ban the supporters from attending. If they get away with it.
Dangerous precedent being set.
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Well the wall of stewards at Gate 21 yesterday continues to grow with yellow and blue and red jackets with green jacketed superviser. Question when gate can be opened on the other side where are the stewards?
Yesterday looked like around 10 police around the control room in JS & WS corner, presume these are paid for by the club, why aren't they standing in Away end?
Question for club and police is JS stand a Police No Go zone with Millwall fans?
I'm trying to think if there are other areas parts of UK which are Police No Go zones?
where they don't go as it may agiate the public or sit and wait 4 minutes before responding?
worrying response from the police why they stood back from arresting the Millwall fans attacking Charlton fans at Gate 21, would police stand back for 4 minutes when someone is attacked in a street? bank is raided?
No one has been able to answer what 300 police actually did or where they were at Millwall game or what it cost? How many were just sat in white vans doing nothing?
I was walking down the hill yesterday before turning off to walk towards the Sam Bartrum gate @ 2.15pm, five white vans with sirens blaring came down the hill in the direction of Royal Oak, was there trouble?1 -
There are plenty of no go zones in the UK.
Unfortunately every police force will tell you differently.
But this week’s decision in a middle part of the country has started to reveal some truths they’d rather you didn’t see.2 -
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Coffee was getting coldTootingRedArmy said:
Well the wall of stewards at Gate 21 yesterday continues to grow with yellow and blue and red jackets with green jacketed superviser. Question when gate can be opened on the other side where are the stewards?
Yesterday looked like around 10 police around the control room in JS & WS corner, presume these are paid for by the club, why aren't they standing in Away end?
Question for club and police is JS stand a Police No Go zone with Millwall fans?
I'm trying to think if there are other areas parts of UK which are Police No Go zones?
where they don't go as it may agiate the public or sit and wait 4 minutes before responding?
worrying response from the police why they stood back from arresting the Millwall fans attacking Charlton fans at Gate 21, would police stand back for 4 minutes when someone is attacked in a street? bank is raided?
No one has been able to answer what 300 police actually did or where they were at Millwall game or what it cost? How many were just sat in white vans doing nothing?
I was walking down the hill yesterday before turning off to walk towards the Sam Bartrum gate @ 2.15pm, five white vans with sirens blaring came down the hill in the direction of Royal Oak, was there trouble?0 -
In all situations the police now appear to be choosing the option that causes them the least amount of hassle and sod everyone else.
They are no longer fit for purpose when it comes to dealing with any form of crime or possible disorder management.1 -
This wording is bizarre:
‘He said the police started to organise themselves to go there but it was resolved before they were needed.’resolved’ as in a violent crime has been committed.0 -
The country is f*****KBslittlesis said:There are plenty of no go zones in the UK.
Unfortunately every police force will tell you differently.
But this week’s decision in a middle part of the country has started to reveal some truths they’d rather you didn’t see.1 -
It used to be a job where you respected and was considered you had a good position in life.superclive98 said:In all situations the police now appear to be choosing the option that causes them the least amount of hassle and sod everyone else.
They are no longer fit for purpose when it comes to dealing with any form of crime or possible disorder management.
I have had a situation with a neighbour who was a copper and he did not come out of it in a good light.
As for now, for the most part it is a job you do not want to get into.0 -
Cuts have consequences…….
but we were crying wolf apparently 🙄0 -
I think the days when the police were respected have long gone, I grew up in the 60/70's era and started losing respect for them, nothing I have seen since then has changed my mind.
There are good old bill, but outnumbered by the bad.0 -
Is that the reason, you're on the run in Brazil?ElfsborgAddick said:
It used to be a job where you respected and was considered you had a good position in life.superclive98 said:In all situations the police now appear to be choosing the option that causes them the least amount of hassle and sod everyone else.
They are no longer fit for purpose when it comes to dealing with any form of crime or possible disorder management.
I have had a situation with a neighbour who was a copper and he did not come out of it in a good light.
As for now, for the most part it is a job you do not want to get into.1
