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  • CatAddick
    CatAddick Posts: 2,391
    BenHaimandBikey said:
    Sat Upper West since forever. Those new LED screens block bits of the pitch and sidelines for people sitting in the front rows. They come away from the wall a good five or six inches, so at the angle you're seated, you're losing part of the experience. And I'm not sure what we’ve gained.

    I don’t think they thought about this impact.

    The new screen itself is fine and a needed addition.
     
    The new floodlights, though, seem like they need to be pointing down more. Three or four are directed straight towards the West Stand. I had spots in my eyes for a while after, as they left an afterimage.
    Agree on new boards front of WU blocking the view.   Difficult to see the touchline without leaning forward or standing up - it will take some getting used to 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,009
    I didn't entirely see the point of the screens above the West Stand vomitories just duplicating what was on the banner between the lower and upper tier.

    I was actually more disappointed today with the content of the big screen. Long periods of the game it just had the score up, rather than the teams, and it took ages for the subs to come up. When you couldn't hear the subs very well over the tannoy, slightly annoying that they didn't appear on the screen until 5 minutes later.

  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,797
    killerandflash said:
    I didn't entirely see the point of the screens above the West Stand vomitories just duplicating what was on the banner between the lower and upper tier.

    I was actually more disappointed today with the content of the big screen. Long periods of the game it just had the score up, rather than the teams, and it took ages for the subs to come up. When you couldn't hear the subs very well over the tannoy, slightly annoying that they didn't appear on the screen until 5 minutes later.

    That’s the time lag from Preston …
  • TootingRedArmy
    TootingRedArmy Posts: 460
    Is it me but the luminousity of the screens particularly the red was eye retina burning bright. I found it very distracting with all the floodlights all bright and at full wattage. Its a period of adjustment & if there is a dimmer switch it would be good to bring brightness of the screens which face into the terraces down a fraction. I asked my son and he thought it looked great and felt it made the Valley look very modern. The Big screen has had another panel of black added, I wondered if the plan is to join black paneling to East stand which would look better than the open gap? 

  • Crusty54
    Crusty54 Posts: 3,243
    golfaddick said:
    Pyrotechnic/light show on the cards for Tuesday evening. Nothing to do with Guy Fawkes night more ala Millwall last season 😔.
    Louis Mendez has said there won't be a light show on Tuesday.
  • TootingRedArmy
    TootingRedArmy Posts: 460
    edited 6:35AM
    Crusty54 said:
    golfaddick said:
    Pyrotechnic/light show on the cards for Tuesday evening. Nothing to do with Guy Fawkes night more ala Millwall last season 😔.
    Louis Mendez has said there won't be a light show on Tuesday.
    The new bulbs in the floodlights and the graphics and inward facing electronic boards are enough of a light show for WBA game. When the panels flicked over to red graphics I found it too bright, being 10 rows back it was really distracting, having this glaring strip whilst following the match. I have no problem with the electronic boards around the pitch and ones in the stands facing outwards but the inward facing ones are intrusive or can the club just turn the brightness down during the match and wack it up pre match, half time and post match.
    Presume these all singing all dancing boards have a brightness button? 
  • TootingRedArmy
    TootingRedArmy Posts: 460
    I remember a number of past fixtures close to Bonfire match where fireworks have been set off outside the ground, would i be surprised if this happens on Tuesday night, nope night before Guy Fawks night.
  • TootingRedArmy
    TootingRedArmy Posts: 460
    edited 6:52AM

    The new electronic boards certainly stand out, they just feels too bright, lowest EB's which are pitchside outward facing with graphics & switching to bright red illumated gfxs I found really distracting when following the players close to "The Las Vegas strip of South East London".
    The inward facing  EB's for supporters in the stands, i found very intrusive. 
    Does anyone know how much it costs to advertise in these EB's? 
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,270
    Crusty54 said:
    golfaddick said:
    Pyrotechnic/light show on the cards for Tuesday evening. Nothing to do with Guy Fawkes night more ala Millwall last season 😔.
    Louis Mendez has said there won't be a light show on Tuesday.
    Last home game before Remembrance Sunday so that takes priority before kick off and righty so.

    Lest we forget 
  • daveydanger
    daveydanger Posts: 1,339
    The ground looked great before kickoff, loved the player names whizzing round in sync with the screen as the squad was called. But when the football is actually playing, it’s an assault on the eyes when sat in the east/AC stand.

    You get five rows of squintingly bright light with a bit of football sandwiched in the middle… three of them constantly moving and changing colour. I found myself angling my cap downwards like a keeper facing into the sun.

    It might help just to drop the brightness by 20% as the sun sets, in the way that most smartphones get fractionally dimmer in the dark.

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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,297
    The yellow of the Meantime adverts was particularly bright and harsh.

    It's new but I imagine that after a few games the novelty will wear off and we'll take it for granted.

    The bigger issue is just how much of the adverts were in-house or existing sponsors so, so far, not much additional income to justify the cost.

    I assume that now the new boards are in place it will be easier to sell advertising on them.

    Control tower boards still to come.
  • Sheepie1985
    Sheepie1985 Posts: 500
    So.. this is a bit of a strange complaint but something that kept bugging me once things got darker. As someone that sits in the Lower F block of the covered end, I kept finding myself distracted by the red adverts on the West Stand stair entrances, like someone was flashing a red light in the corner of your eye. It's really hard to explain but I'll try to capture it in a video/pic on Tuesday night to explain it better

    I think while I find the new digital boards really REALLY impressive, it's almost like they're too illuminating and need to be softened a bit? Does anyone know what I mean or am I just talking nonsense?
  • TootingRedArmy
    TootingRedArmy Posts: 460
    edited 1:26PM
    Sheepie1985 said:
    So.. this is a bit of a strange complaint but something that kept bugging me once things got darker. As someone that sits in the Lower F block of the covered end, I kept finding myself distracted by the red adverts on the West Stand stair entrances, like someone was flashing a red light in the corner of your eye. It's really hard to explain but I'll try to capture it in a video/pic on Tuesday night to explain it better

    I think while I find the new digital boards really REALLY impressive, it's almost like they're too illuminating and need to be softened a bit? Does anyone know what I mean or am I just talking nonsense?
    Agreed - too bright - I assume these electronic boards can be dimmed - Valley has becoming "The Las Vegas of South East London" & we still have one more light show to come .....Electronic board by the control tower between JS + WS
    ......Just turn down the brightness during the match by 20% its too distracting I pay to watch the football not adverts 
  • Simonsen
    Simonsen Posts: 5,512
    Those new advertising signs gave me a headache.....not a fan at all. 

    It was ok when the dark adverts were on but those green and red ones were murderous (I sit in the East). Totally agree with Tooting Red Army and Sheepie.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,076
    Think the stadium is looking great. 
  • dickad1
    dickad1 Posts: 264
    I generally like the boards, and the ground is looking good. But the bright red ads must be an issue for the players too.  Thought this may have tricked I think it was Kelman first half when he thought Bree had continued a run and passed the ball out of play. 
  • charlton4ever
    charlton4ever Posts: 1,734
    I think it all looks great  - considering we are tenants I say well done the Board.
  • jose
    jose Posts: 691
    edited 10:25AM
    I found the advertising lights to be an unwanted distraction, but the actual floodlighting of the pitch was good.

  • Nadou
    Nadou Posts: 1,727
    I hate the electronic ads. Far too bright, they change and move all the time and they are a real distraction from the game. I can just about live with the ones at pitch side but the higher ones are horrible. It's like Piccadilly Circus. Tone them down for f...ks sake.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,629
    Think a lot of you are missing the point that the ad boards are meant to be distracting to a point, if they weren’t distracting then no one would buy the ads. 

    I don’t like that fact but that’s how it is 

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  • Sheepie1985
    Sheepie1985 Posts: 500
    fenaddick said:
    Think a lot of you are missing the point that the ad boards are meant to be distracting to a point, if they weren’t distracting then no one would buy the ads. 

    I don’t like that fact but that’s how it is 
    For me it's not the actual digital boards that run along the West Stand Upper tier that's the problem, it's the positioning of the lower tier stairs boards that acts as an irritation. Just the angle of them gives off almost a police light feel in the corner of your eye, it's really hard to explain it but it's more than a distraction because you can't even see what's on those boards from my seat position.. just the bright luminance of it
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,113
    fenaddick said:
    Think a lot of you are missing the point that the ad boards are meant to be distracting to a point, if they weren’t distracting then no one would buy the ads. 

    I don’t like that fact but that’s how it is 
    So, the club have sold us tickets to watch a match and are then deliberately putting measures in to stop us watching the match and look at something else. I don't think that's us missing the point, that's the club missing the point of what football is all about.

    I've no issues with the boards being used as part of the pre-match build up, the half-time entertainment, or the post match celebrations. I'm even ok with them if they're clever enough to selectively use them during stoppages. But having paid the club to watch the football, I expect them to ensure that their actions don't actually make it more difficult to watch the football.
  • jose
    jose Posts: 691
    fenaddick said:
    Think a lot of you are missing the point that the ad boards are meant to be distracting to a point, if they weren’t distracting then no one would buy the ads. 

    I don’t like that fact but that’s how it is 
    Yes, advertisements are designed to do your thinking for you and generally turn your brain to mush in order to get something out of you.
    However it is the ‘to a point’ bit that is the issue if that ‘point’ is about spoiling the experience of watching the football.
    Are the adverts supposed to take your attention away from the play when the play is what you’ve paid to see?
  • stevexreeve
    stevexreeve Posts: 1,397
    jose said:
    fenaddick said:
    Think a lot of you are missing the point that the ad boards are meant to be distracting to a point, if they weren’t distracting then no one would buy the ads. 

    I don’t like that fact but that’s how it is 
    Yes, advertisements are designed to do your thinking for you and generally turn your brain to mush in order to get something out of you.
    However it is the ‘to a point’ bit that is the issue if that ‘point’ is about spoiling the experience of watching the football.
    Are the adverts supposed to take your attention away from the play when the play is what you’ve paid to see?
    Maybe there could be a little less movement in the boards. I found it most confusing when players were running in front of them at the same pace as words.

    I lost track of the ball sometimes. 

    Does anyone remember what was been advertised. Everything came up so quickly and buzzed  around so fast that the content and words did not impact my brain at all!

    If the ads remained stationary few a few minutes  I'm sure they would have a subconscious impact on me while I concentrate on the play in front.






  • jose
    jose Posts: 691
    I got the feeling it was boys playing with toys without any cognisance of the context.
    There was at least one moment of significant play that had a change from bright red to bright orange at a critical point on the pitch.
    Yes advertising is a thing, but imagine watching a Shakespeare play and Ronald Effing MacDonald scoots across the stage during something like the Lady Macbeth sleepwalking scene.
  • charlton4ever
    charlton4ever Posts: 1,734
    edited 5:56PM
    jose said:
    I got the feeling it was boys playing with toys without any cognisance of the context.
    There was at least one moment of significant play that had a change from bright red to bright orange at a critical point on the pitch.
    Yes advertising is a thing, but imagine watching a Shakespeare play and Ronald Effing MacDonald scoots across the stage during something like the Lady Macbeth sleepwalking scene.
    .
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,797
    edited 12:11PM
    I’m amazed how many people are easily distracted from the actual game just because of some advertising . I’m sat in the Curbs stand directly opposite the west stand advertising and once the game started I never noticed them once. Perhaps that’s because I was more interested in the football than the surroundings , despite it not being a great game . 
    People will find anything to moan about. I think the ground looks fantastic. Well done The Board. 
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,928


    Note, no difference in the size of the "gap" between the East and the South stands.

    So, the moral of the story? If you're that bothered about having a perfectly symmetrical view of the screen then sit in the West Stand. 
  • TootingRedArmy
    TootingRedArmy Posts: 460
    edited 12:27PM
    stevexreeve said:
    jose said:
    fenaddick said:
    Think a lot of you are missing the point that the ad boards are meant to be distracting to a point, if they weren’t distracting then no one would buy the ads. 

    I don’t like that fact but that’s how it is 
    Yes, advertisements are designed to do your thinking for you and generally turn your brain to mush in order to get something out of you.
    However it is the ‘to a point’ bit that is the issue if that ‘point’ is about spoiling the experience of watching the football.
    Are the adverts supposed to take your attention away from the play when the play is what you’ve paid to see?
    Maybe there could be a little less movement in the boards. I found it most confusing when players were running in front of them at the same pace as words.

    I lost track of the ball sometimes. 

    Does anyone remember what was been advertised. Everything came up so quickly and buzzed  around so fast that the content and words did not impact my brain at all!

    If the ads remained stationary few a few minutes  I'm sure they would have a subconscious impact on me while I concentrate on the play in front.






    The Las Vegas of South East London

    It used to be that a trip to The Valley meant 90 minutes of football, a pie, a pint, and a bit of banter. Lately though, it feels more like stepping into a mini version of Las Vegas or Piccadilly Circus  all flashing lights and flickering colours. The new electronic advertising boards around Charlton’s ground are so bright and incessant that they distract from what most of us have actually paid to see: the football.

    These boards don’t just sit quietly, blending into the background; they scream for attention. The constant changes bright reds, glaring oranges, and every shade in between  feel more suited to a casino floor than a football pitch. You can’t help but notice them, even when you’re trying to watch the match. For many of us in the stands, the experience has become less about the game and more about being bathed in a glow of digital sales pitches.

    Of course, there’s a financial angle. One can only assume the club makes a tidy sum from these digital adverts..... but how much exactly? 

    Does anyone actually know what Charlton earns from them? It would be good to see some transparency here, because for supporters, it’s becoming clear that the matchday atmosphere is paying the price.

    Electronic boards are sadly a feature across much of English football now, especially in the upper echelons, and Charlton seems to be following suit. But there was never an issue before. Having adverts at half-time or after the match is fine that’s a fair balance. The problem is the relentless, animated bombardment during play.

    The “Las Vegas of South East London” might sound tongue-in-cheek, but when you’re sat in the stands squinting against a strip of neon light, it’s not much of an exaggeration. The technology behind it is clearly sophisticated the boards can show everything from team news to instant goal replays so surely it’s not too much to ask for the brightness to be turned down by 20–30% and the animations to be toned down during live play.

    Those responsible at the club would do well to take on board the growing feedback from fans on Charlton Life and elsewhere. A simple adjustment could make all the difference letting supporters once again focus on the football, not the flashing neon.  

  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,297
    TootingRedArmy said:
    stevexreeve said:
    jose said:
    fenaddick said:
    Think a lot of you are missing the point that the ad boards are meant to be distracting to a point, if they weren’t distracting then no one would buy the ads. 

    I don’t like that fact but that’s how it is 
    Yes, advertisements are designed to do your thinking for you and generally turn your brain to mush in order to get something out of you.
    However it is the ‘to a point’ bit that is the issue if that ‘point’ is about spoiling the experience of watching the football.
    Are the adverts supposed to take your attention away from the play when the play is what you’ve paid to see?
    Maybe there could be a little less movement in the boards. I found it most confusing when players were running in front of them at the same pace as words.

    I lost track of the ball sometimes. 

    Does anyone remember what was been advertised. Everything came up so quickly and buzzed  around so fast that the content and words did not impact my brain at all!

    If the ads remained stationary few a few minutes  I'm sure they would have a subconscious impact on me while I concentrate on the play in front.






     Those responsible at the club would do well to take on board the growing feedback from fans on Charlton Life and elsewhere. A simple adjustment could make all the difference letting supporters once again focus on the football, not the flashing neon 

    The same "growing feedback" that decided the screen was all wrong before it had even been seen in action but which has now all but disappeared.

    I think that constructive criticism of how the club is run and operates is valid but some of the comments are so OTT.

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