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I've seen it all now...letthegoodtimesroll said:I really liked the lighting and effect but I sit/stand in the Covered End (AKA the lower north) so realise that maybe I wasn’t getting the full, in your face impact of them.
however, reading the comments it does make me wonder whether turning the lights down a little lower when we attack and turning them up when the opposition attacks would create an advantage to the home team. I’m not suggesting we actually do it in a league game but the FA, respective leagues and betting companies probably should be looking into it and the impact it could have on a games outcome.1 -
Don't forget they can also adjust the brightness of the floodlights in an instant.1
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Years ago, in the Prem, there was a Dutch band playing pre kick off and they carried on into the first half. The referee asked the club to get them to stop.jose said:I wonder if the match officials can demand the distraction is turned off if they want it to happen.
Somewhere in the mush of my brain I remember either substitutes or stewards had to change their attire.
Re the screen itself, unlike the previous screen, I can read the team names from Upper West in line with the half way line, however Why does the clock counter have to be so large, it's nit picking but one of those things that really irritates me.0 -
It seems to be, judging by the comments here, that the distraction element of all the coloured advertisements is different according to where you sit.
When we went to Wimbledon before (Ryan Innes) the low level lighting was not only a distraction, but washed out sight of the play below about knee height. At the time I was glad it wasn’t at the Valley, yet here we are, not only having the football washed out at low level, but everywhere from where I sit in the Curbs stand.
I doubt very much if the system has been road tested from a spectators point of view, but tested by the geeks from a technical point of view.
There are solutions. Turn the stuff off is one, or dim the brightness considerably is another, or turn off/dim where the worst effects of the distractions occur.
I still believe there exists in some quarters distain from the club towards the ordinary fan, from very poor information and poor timing about U21 matches, very very poor coverage and information regarding the academy despite Valley Gold, very poor preparation for feeds or broadcasts which go wrong a lot accompanied by weasel apologies, the terrible communication and events around the Millwall match, and the casual attitude towards food and drink served around the ground (of which there has reportedly been some improvement), turnstiles not fully operational. Training and preparation of stewarding.
In my view there are several areas that can be improved, but I am not confident it will ever happen.5 -
If you come from Eltham then I can quite believe that…Elthamaddick said:
I've seen it all now...letthegoodtimesroll said:I really liked the lighting and effect but I sit/stand in the Covered End (AKA the lower north) so realise that maybe I wasn’t getting the full, in your face impact of them.
however, reading the comments it does make me wonder whether turning the lights down a little lower when we attack and turning them up when the opposition attacks would create an advantage to the home team. I’m not suggesting we actually do it in a league game but the FA, respective leagues and betting companies probably should be looking into it and the impact it could have on a games outcome.2 -
jose said:It seems to be, judging by the comments here, that the distraction element of all the coloured advertisements is different according to where you sit.
When we went to Wimbledon before (Ryan Innes) the low level lighting was not only a distraction, but washed out sight of the play below about knee height. At the time I was glad it wasn’t at the Valley, yet here we are, not only having the football washed out at low level, but everywhere from where I sit in the Curbs stand.
I doubt very much if the system has been road tested from a spectators point of view, but tested by the geeks from a technical point of view.
There are solutions. Turn the stuff off is one, or dim the brightness considerably is another, or turn off/dim where the worst effects of the distractions occur.
I still believe there exists in some quarters distain from the club towards the ordinary fan, from very poor information and poor timing about U21 matches, very very poor coverage and information regarding the academy despite Valley Gold, very poor preparation for feeds or broadcasts which go wrong a lot accompanied by weasel apologies, the terrible communication and events around the Millwall match, and the casual attitude towards food and drink served around the ground (of which there has reportedly been some improvement), turnstiles not fully operational. Training and preparation of stewarding.
In my view there are several areas that can be improved, but I am not confident it will ever happen.I completely agree first and foremost, we as supporters are customers, yet like too many modern businesses, we seem to be the last people the club is concerned about.
What we’re seeing now feels like a mix of complacency and carelessness from those running day-to-day operations at Charlton. From the ticket fiascos at play off SF & Final and Millwall, to the poor food & drinks service and indifferent stewarding, there’s a real sense that standards have slipped and nobody seems to care enough to fix them.
Take the new electronic advertising boards as the latest example. You’d expect a professional club to have tested them properly before a live match to have staff sit in various parts of the ground during lets say an academy training game to see how the boards affect sightlines and match enjoyment. But clearly, that kind of basic due diligence didn’t happen.
There’s an underlying lack of professionalism and respect for fans that runs from the top down. Communication from the club feels dismissive, and feedback whether through the Fan Forum or surveys goes unanswered or ignored. It’s as if those in charge have forgotten that without the supporters, there is no club.
There used to be pride in how Charlton treated its fans. You can’t help thinking that if someone like Rick Everitt if he was still overseeing comms and some of operation duties at The Valley, this level of incompetence and disregard wouldn’t be tolerated. It needs someone high up to sort this out or get the Welsh dragon Nathan Jones, perhaps to get to grips with what’s going wrong and remind staff what this club stands for.
Because right now, it feels like us mere fans are an afterthought, when they should be at the heart of everything Charlton does.
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Well, having just watched the highlights back, I can say there was also Kellogg's, 32Red, Spreadex, Sage, Sky Bet, Energiser batteries, Adrian Flux Insurance, (and Jameson Whiskey possibly) all of whom are, I think, competition-wide, together with Bluewater, Westbury and Reebok who are Charlton specific I believe.se9addick said:
Hmmm…off the top of my head I think the sponsors I can remember were Meantime, UoG, Charlton Women’s team, RSK & Christopher Ward which are all pretty Charlton specific.oohaahmortimer said:Pretty sure a lot of the advertising is generic guff shown at other Championship team matches .
Can’t see us having any fantastic magical deals going on0 -
I know it will get laughed at but if you have a complaint you should email the club. They won't be reading this thread and won't change anything without feedback0
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Do we know if there are plans to finish off the entire stadium and add the strip advertising the gap between the Covered end upper and lower?0
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It's a fair point that there are channels into the club for people who are that concerned. And no, I don't expect board members to be sitting around reading Charlton Life, but that doesn't mean that supporter feedback shouldn't get picked up anyway. We know that the Supporters Trust use these boards regularly, and there were 'Fans Champions' or something like that, whatever happened to them?fenaddick said:I know it will get laughed at but if you have a complaint you should email the club. They won't be reading this thread and won't change anything without feedback
Most importantly, no Comms Department of a substantial organisation should be ignoring social media, and I don't just mean using it to pump out adverts and notices. I mean using it as a barometer of what the wider world, particularly their 'customers' to use business parlance, think. The more forward thinking businesses are all over the internet doing just this. If Charlton aren't, it is a major business failing. And on that note, Maureen - warm up my best quill Hotmail account.6 -
individual fans emails go unanswered & the fans survey(s) all feedback gets lost in a South London bermuda triangle.....CAST & fan advisers: champions.... are there to act construcively to try to sort out these issues. The Club have a dismissive attitiude to individual complaints & constructive suggestions.
There are alot of knowledgeable fans who could help the club moving fwd. It feels the club have a distain for us mere fans/ customers, lets face they are in line with most business's who make it almost impossible to give any customer service, far easier to send complaints and feedback down an exhausting rabbit warren.
Thats where CAST & the fan volunteers really need to be politely vocal and challenge how the club are operating. I don't know airman brown but I can't help but think if he was still working at the club he could fix alot of the clubs sloppy behaviour as someone who knows and gets charlton. COYA's1 -
I dread to think how distracted some of you would be driving along some of the roads with big flashy billboards 😬3
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I think too many of us underestimate the power of advertising. We all think that we're immune to it, but it's a massive industry.
After enduring more than 90 minutes with 'Kelloggs' staring me in the face, I stocked up on breakfast cereal at Sainsbury's on the way home.
This ties in with other post-match purchases in previous years ... does anyone want some unused air conditioning equipment ... or a new lift maybe?16 -
we drive past these at high speed, not have to stare like i did on Saturday for over 2hrs 30mins at the electric light show ....4
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TootingRedArmy said:jose said:It seems to be, judging by the comments here, that the distraction element of all the coloured advertisements is different according to where you sit.
When we went to Wimbledon before (Ryan Innes) the low level lighting was not only a distraction, but washed out sight of the play below about knee height. At the time I was glad it wasn’t at the Valley, yet here we are, not only having the football washed out at low level, but everywhere from where I sit in the Curbs stand.
I doubt very much if the system has been road tested from a spectators point of view, but tested by the geeks from a technical point of view.
There are solutions. Turn the stuff off is one, or dim the brightness considerably is another, or turn off/dim where the worst effects of the distractions occur.
I still believe there exists in some quarters distain from the club towards the ordinary fan, from very poor information and poor timing about U21 matches, very very poor coverage and information regarding the academy despite Valley Gold, very poor preparation for feeds or broadcasts which go wrong a lot accompanied by weasel apologies, the terrible communication and events around the Millwall match, and the casual attitude towards food and drink served around the ground (of which there has reportedly been some improvement), turnstiles not fully operational. Training and preparation of stewarding.
In my view there are several areas that can be improved, but I am not confident it will ever happen.TOOTING RED ARMY :I completely agree first and foremost, we as supporters are customers, yet like too many modern businesses, we seem to be the last people the club is concerned about.
What we’re seeing now feels like a mix of complacency and carelessness from those running day-to-day operations at Charlton. From the ticket fiascos at play off SF & Final and Millwall, to the poor food & drinks service and indifferent stewarding, there’s a real sense that standards have slipped and nobody seems to care enough to fix them.
Take the new electronic advertising boards as the latest example. You’d expect a professional club to have tested them properly before a live match to have staff sit in various parts of the ground during lets say an academy training game to see how the boards affect sightlines and match enjoyment. But clearly, that kind of basic due diligence didn’t happen.
There’s an underlying lack of professionalism and respect for fans that runs from the top down. Communication from the club feels dismissive, and feedback whether through the Fan Forum or surveys goes unanswered or ignored. It’s as if those in charge have forgotten that without the supporters, there is no club.
There used to be pride in how Charlton treated its fans. You can’t help thinking that if someone like Rick Everitt if he was still overseeing comms and some of operation duties at The Valley, this level of incompetence and disregard wouldn’t be tolerated. It needs someone high up to sort this out or get the Welsh dragon Nathan Jones, perhaps to get to grips with what’s going wrong and remind staff what this club stands for.
Because right now, it feels like us mere fans are an afterthought, when they should be at the heart of everything Charlton does.
The feedback on this thread is mixed - some feel the boards are too bright and distracting, while others say the ground looks the best it has for years. You can please some of the people ....There is more investment in the club now than there has been since Murray gave Dowie a fortune to spunk - the owners are investing serious money, and trying to increase commercial revenue has the effect of providing funds for the team. Personally I can live with the bright lights if it means we are more competitive on the pitch. Like it or not, we are not a charity but a commercial organisation, but our roots in the community are still something for which we should be immensely proud.Also - maybe I'm getting forgetful in my old age but could you explain how the way the fans were treated back in the period to which you refer was significantly better or different than now - examples please, not just because it was!3 -
There used to be a time when advertising was discouraged in sport, mainly for sports shown on the BBC.
Whatever the argument was, part of it was the acknowledgement was that advertising was a distraction, not an enhancement. The battle also included the notion that advertising ought not be at ‘the heart of the action’.
The debate now is not about the existence of advertising, but the degree of distraction from what you wish to pay attention to. My example earlier of Ronald MacDonald crossing the stage during a scene from Othello is the extreme, and I think for most people, would be an unwanted aspect of advertising.
If the other extreme is no advertising at all (which I don’t think is an awful prospect) or maybe humbly turning a bottle of Robinson Barley Water to face cameras at Wimbledon, then the sensible solution is somewhere in between. What we had at Charlton on Saturday was on the shove it down your throats end of advertising, not something that improved the experience for me and for many others.
However this is a problem that can be solved/improved if the club is willing to do so.2 -
I'll swap you for a Mesh computer, a job lot of Cabrini tracky bottoms and some wallpaper from FADS.Dave Rudd said:I think too many of us underestimate the power of advertising. We all think that we're immune to it, but it's a massive industry.
After enduring more than 90 minutes with 'Kelloggs' staring me in the face, I stocked up on breakfast cereal at Sainsbury's on the way home.
This ties in with other post-match purchases in previous years ... does anyone want some unused air conditioning equipment ... or a new lift maybe?4 -
In summary,
1 reduce brightness genrally
2 re format existing videos
3 reduce brightness or re align east stand flood lights.1 -
I watched Charlton women beat Birmingham City yesterday from a seat 8 rows back from their pitchside LED advertising displays.
I had no problem watching the game.
LED brightness can be adjusted and no doubt will be at the Valley.0 -
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Way to get round 3 is to panel off the parts of the screen with the team lineups on and only show videos on the middle part where the clock and score are displayed, will give us roughly the same size screen and ratio as the previous one.Rothko said:
3 you can't do, they are preset to certain areas of the pitch and will be set to a certain level to meet Championship regs2121 said:In summary,
1 reduce brightness genrally
2 re format existing videos
3 reduce brightness or re align east stand flood lights.0 -
Off_it said:
I'll swap you for a Mesh computer, a job lot of Cabrini tracky bottoms and some wallpaper from FADS.Dave Rudd said:I think too many of us underestimate the power of advertising. We all think that we're immune to it, but it's a massive industry.
After enduring more than 90 minutes with 'Kelloggs' staring me in the face, I stocked up on breakfast cereal at Sainsbury's on the way home.
This ties in with other post-match purchases in previous years ... does anyone want some unused air conditioning equipment ... or a new lift maybe?
This is quite timely @Off_it as I am planning to upgrade my Viglen computer now that Windows 95 is no longer supported.
Let's catch up after I get back from my Llanera timeshare?4 -
I love the new boards so much I fancied getting a bit of advertising (impulse buy!!), but for some reason I can't access The Woolwich website to make payment!
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I also love the new boards. For some reason I was finding that the old style static boards were just a bit dull and boring. You know, so last century. So old fashioned.dickad1 said:I love the new boards so much I fancied getting a bit of advertising (impulse buy!!), but for some reason I can't access The Woolwich website to make payment!
But it's so much better now we have boards that scream for our attention with animations in lurid colours, like a needy child who's never been told "no", constantly whining for something or other. "BUY MORE SHIT". "BUY THIS SHIT". "DON'T FORGET YOUR TICKETS FOR THE WOMEN'S MATCH".
Progress indeed.5 -
The investment to the Valley isn't that big a spend, a lick of paint, some safety railings, new screen & ED boards, fan bar etc superficially its very noticeable eye catching changes like buying a really expensive item of clothing, a new haircut, losing weight you'll generate remarks ........however not to be a damper on "The Las Vegas of South London" butttttttttt our new owners needs to show their committment to "Project Charlton" by buying the Valley + Sparrows Lane this is a real sign their here to stay and want to get Charlton back into prem and we get back to being No 1 club in South London, look at where Palace are now compared to us, its very bright over in Croydon!bobmunro said:TootingRedArmy said:jose said:It seems to be, judging by the comments here, that the distraction element of all the coloured advertisements is different according to where you sit.
When we went to Wimbledon before (Ryan Innes) the low level lighting was not only a distraction, but washed out sight of the play below about knee height. At the time I was glad it wasn’t at the Valley, yet here we are, not only having the football washed out at low level, but everywhere from where I sit in the Curbs stand.
I doubt very much if the system has been road tested from a spectators point of view, but tested by the geeks from a technical point of view.
There are solutions. Turn the stuff off is one, or dim the brightness considerably is another, or turn off/dim where the worst effects of the distractions occur.
I still believe there exists in some quarters distain from the club towards the ordinary fan, from very poor information and poor timing about U21 matches, very very poor coverage and information regarding the academy despite Valley Gold, very poor preparation for feeds or broadcasts which go wrong a lot accompanied by weasel apologies, the terrible communication and events around the Millwall match, and the casual attitude towards food and drink served around the ground (of which there has reportedly been some improvement), turnstiles not fully operational. Training and preparation of stewarding.
In my view there are several areas that can be improved, but I am not confident it will ever happen.TOOTING RED ARMY :I completely agree first and foremost, we as supporters are customers, yet like too many modern businesses, we seem to be the last people the club is concerned about.
What we’re seeing now feels like a mix of complacency and carelessness from those running day-to-day operations at Charlton. From the ticket fiascos at play off SF & Final and Millwall, to the poor food & drinks service and indifferent stewarding, there’s a real sense that standards have slipped and nobody seems to care enough to fix them.
Take the new electronic advertising boards as the latest example. You’d expect a professional club to have tested them properly before a live match to have staff sit in various parts of the ground during lets say an academy training game to see how the boards affect sightlines and match enjoyment. But clearly, that kind of basic due diligence didn’t happen.
There’s an underlying lack of professionalism and respect for fans that runs from the top down. Communication from the club feels dismissive, and feedback whether through the Fan Forum or surveys goes unanswered or ignored. It’s as if those in charge have forgotten that without the supporters, there is no club.
There used to be pride in how Charlton treated its fans. You can’t help thinking that if someone like Rick Everitt if he was still overseeing comms and some of operation duties at The Valley, this level of incompetence and disregard wouldn’t be tolerated. It needs someone high up to sort this out or get the Welsh dragon Nathan Jones, perhaps to get to grips with what’s going wrong and remind staff what this club stands for.
Because right now, it feels like us mere fans are an afterthought, when they should be at the heart of everything Charlton does.
The feedback on this thread is mixed - some feel the boards are too bright and distracting, while others say the ground looks the best it has for years. You can please some of the people ....There is more investment in the club now than there has been since Murray gave Dowie a fortune to spunk - the owners are investing serious money, and trying to increase commercial revenue has the effect of providing funds for the team. Personally I can live with the bright lights if it means we are more competitive on the pitch. Like it or not, we are not a charity but a commercial organisation, but our roots in the community are still something for which we should be immensely proud.Also - maybe I'm getting forgetful in my old age but could you explain how the way the fans were treated back in the period to which you refer was significantly better or different than now - examples please, not just because it was!
If you want to see how our fan base have been treated by owners and internal staff read no further than the thread after Millwall game, its a very long read so settle down for a few hours but you'll get a pretty clear idea how there is still significant room for improvement from the club to its fan base.
Don't get me wrong I'm pleased Valley is looking smarter and BRIGHTER but don't be dazzled by a make over, that old Belguim whore is still prowling around in the shadows and we have a long way to go to get our Charlton truly back.0 -
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TootingRedArmy said:
The investment to the Valley isn't that big a spend, a lick of paint, some safety railings, new screen & ED boards, fan bar etc superficially its very noticeable eye catching changes like buying a really expensive item of clothing, a new haircut, losing weight you'll generate remarks ........however not to be a damper on "The Las Vegas of South London" butttttttttt our new owners needs to show their committment to "Project Charlton" by buying the Valley + Sparrows Lane this is a real sign their here to stay and want to get Charlton back into prem and we get back to being No 1 club in South London, look at where Palace are now compared to us, its very bright over in Croydon!bobmunro said:TootingRedArmy said:jose said:It seems to be, judging by the comments here, that the distraction element of all the coloured advertisements is different according to where you sit.
When we went to Wimbledon before (Ryan Innes) the low level lighting was not only a distraction, but washed out sight of the play below about knee height. At the time I was glad it wasn’t at the Valley, yet here we are, not only having the football washed out at low level, but everywhere from where I sit in the Curbs stand.
I doubt very much if the system has been road tested from a spectators point of view, but tested by the geeks from a technical point of view.
There are solutions. Turn the stuff off is one, or dim the brightness considerably is another, or turn off/dim where the worst effects of the distractions occur.
I still believe there exists in some quarters distain from the club towards the ordinary fan, from very poor information and poor timing about U21 matches, very very poor coverage and information regarding the academy despite Valley Gold, very poor preparation for feeds or broadcasts which go wrong a lot accompanied by weasel apologies, the terrible communication and events around the Millwall match, and the casual attitude towards food and drink served around the ground (of which there has reportedly been some improvement), turnstiles not fully operational. Training and preparation of stewarding.
In my view there are several areas that can be improved, but I am not confident it will ever happen.TOOTING RED ARMY :I completely agree first and foremost, we as supporters are customers, yet like too many modern businesses, we seem to be the last people the club is concerned about.
What we’re seeing now feels like a mix of complacency and carelessness from those running day-to-day operations at Charlton. From the ticket fiascos at play off SF & Final and Millwall, to the poor food & drinks service and indifferent stewarding, there’s a real sense that standards have slipped and nobody seems to care enough to fix them.
Take the new electronic advertising boards as the latest example. You’d expect a professional club to have tested them properly before a live match to have staff sit in various parts of the ground during lets say an academy training game to see how the boards affect sightlines and match enjoyment. But clearly, that kind of basic due diligence didn’t happen.
There’s an underlying lack of professionalism and respect for fans that runs from the top down. Communication from the club feels dismissive, and feedback whether through the Fan Forum or surveys goes unanswered or ignored. It’s as if those in charge have forgotten that without the supporters, there is no club.
There used to be pride in how Charlton treated its fans. You can’t help thinking that if someone like Rick Everitt if he was still overseeing comms and some of operation duties at The Valley, this level of incompetence and disregard wouldn’t be tolerated. It needs someone high up to sort this out or get the Welsh dragon Nathan Jones, perhaps to get to grips with what’s going wrong and remind staff what this club stands for.
Because right now, it feels like us mere fans are an afterthought, when they should be at the heart of everything Charlton does.
The feedback on this thread is mixed - some feel the boards are too bright and distracting, while others say the ground looks the best it has for years. You can please some of the people ....There is more investment in the club now than there has been since Murray gave Dowie a fortune to spunk - the owners are investing serious money, and trying to increase commercial revenue has the effect of providing funds for the team. Personally I can live with the bright lights if it means we are more competitive on the pitch. Like it or not, we are not a charity but a commercial organisation, but our roots in the community are still something for which we should be immensely proud.Also - maybe I'm getting forgetful in my old age but could you explain how the way the fans were treated back in the period to which you refer was significantly better or different than now - examples please, not just because it was!
If you want to see how our fan base have been treated by owners and internal staff read no further than the thread after Millwall game, its a very long read so settle down for a few hours but you'll get a pretty clear idea how there is still significant room for improvement from the club to its fan base.
Don't get me wrong I'm pleased Valley is looking smarter and BRIGHTER but don't be dazzled by a make over, that old Belguim whore is still prowling around in the shadows and we have a long way to go to get our Charlton truly back.I, like every Charlton fan, want the club and The Valley reunited in ownership. Why don't you have a word with the yellow-teethed one and get him to lower the price to a realistic level.Trust me, I've read the Millwall thread, and I agree that comms were sorely ineffective and the gate 21 incident could/should have been avoided. The decision by the Police to re-route home fans was outwith the control of the Club - pure and simple.I'll ask the question again but on the specific that you've re-raised. How differently do you believe the Club under Murray would have handled the Millwall game? How would fan engagement have been better? Evidence would be good as well because I can't remember being more engaged and consulted back then - it was then as it is now for the overwhelming majority of fans - results on the pitch that really matter.3
