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Why does T.Campbell keep getting selected

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  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,884
    NabySarr said:
    TC isn’t the problem, he was playing well enough and contributing to a team that was in the top 6 not long ago. Our issue is the lack of balance to our team due to defensive injuries. Once that is sorted the whole team will look better again, TC included

    What is a problem is how some fans seem to be so keen to jump on anything TC does wrong (or even blame him when he’s done nothing wrong). There are plenty of others players who have been a lot worse over the last 2 games but for some reason it’s all TC’s fault 
    I don’t think anyone is saying it’s all TC’s fault but he’s been pretty ineffective for much of the season. And therefore has to face criticism for that. I think he gets given a lot of leeway by some fans because he’s from the academy and they want him to do well, as do I believe me, but if he was a signing from another club he’d be getting a shed load more criticism that he has had. 
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,843
    Hang on, the OP said that NJ is the best Charlton manager since Curbs. Without a doubt! Seriously?

  • Willo
    Willo Posts: 48
    If we had signed TC for 2 million in the summer what would peope think ? I would personally think we had blown our money. The reason i think Jones plays him is to try to cash in looks like that is failing too. His song dosent help at all my oppinon 🤷‍♂️
  • Michaelmon
    Michaelmon Posts: 286
    Willo said:
    If we had signed TC for 2 million in the summer what would peope think ? I would personally think we had blown our money. The reason i think Jones plays him is to try to cash in looks like that is failing too. His song dosent help at all my oppinon 🤷‍♂️
    Interesting take. Do you think a different song would help?
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,993
    NabySarr said:
    TC isn’t the problem, he was playing well enough and contributing to a team that was in the top 6 not long ago. Our issue is the lack of balance to our team due to defensive injuries. Once that is sorted the whole team will look better again, TC included

    What is a problem is how some fans seem to be so keen to jump on anything TC does wrong (or even blame him when he’s done nothing wrong). There are plenty of others players who have been a lot worse over the last 2 games but for some reason it’s all TC’s fault 
    Im very much in the camp that he should not be starting mate but it isnt because I have it in for the lad. I actually feel sorry for him as he is being asked to do what at the moment is simply beyond him and I honestly dont think it is doing him any good at all. I would take him out of the starting 11 for a while and bring him on late on. The trouble is who do we start in his place ?
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,624
    Willo said:
    If we had signed TC for 2 million in the summer what would peope think ? I would personally think we had blown our money. The reason i think Jones plays him is to try to cash in looks like that is failing too. His song dosent help at all my oppinon 🤷‍♂️
    When the samba rhythm starts to play
    Dance with me, make me sway
    Tyreece Campbell running down the wing
    Being triple marked, creating space

    Would that be better?
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 40,316
    How about a straight swap for the Blades "T. Campbell"? We could pretend that they're both worth £2m and not even change the song, albeit the other one might need a positional change for that to work. 
  • Willo
    Willo Posts: 48
    Scoham said:
    Willo said:
    If we had signed TC for 2 million in the summer what would peope think ? I would personally think we had blown our money. The reason i think Jones plays him is to try to cash in looks like that is failing too. His song dosent help at all my oppinon 🤷‍♂️
    When the samba rhythm starts to play
    Dance with me, make me sway
    Tyreece Campbell running down the wing
    Being triple marked, creating space

    Would that be better?
    Scoring goals, is a mythical thing!

    Should be the last line.

    All the smoke blowing about him because he is one of our kids he is 22! We need far better.

    Like i said if he didnt come through our acadamy everyone would be questioning him being pretty much first name on the team sheet!


  • Southbank
    Southbank Posts: 5,377
    CafcWest said:
    He gets selected because he is the only player who drives the game forward.  He doesn't get enough decent crosses into the box or always beat his man but we have no real alternative.
    Apter on the left is the alternative.
    Apter does not have the same strength as TC to hold defenders off. He is too lightweight for any position in this league, sadly. Stoke's winger Manhoef is what you need, twice Apter's size but fast and skilful.
  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe Posts: 3,488
    Scoham said:
    Willo said:
    If we had signed TC for 2 million in the summer what would peope think ? I would personally think we had blown our money. The reason i think Jones plays him is to try to cash in looks like that is failing too. His song dosent help at all my oppinon 🤷‍♂️
    When the samba rhythm starts to play
    Dance with me, make me sway
    Tyreece Campbell running down the wing
    Being triple marked, creating space

    Would that be better?

    When the samba rhythm starts to play
    Dance with me, make me sway
    Tyreece Campbell running down the wing
    Raise his fee and let's cash in

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  • It will be interesting when TC moves on, my guess he goes to another Championship team and if they are a bit more attack minded he becomes an established mid range Championship player.  Not the decisiveness to be top draw but in a team with more attacking flair where he isn't always double and crippled marked he will do well.
  • wolfgang
    wolfgang Posts: 451
    • Why does T. Campbell keep getting selected?
    Because he has been our best attacking player this season, and we do not have anyone better. (A low bar, I grant you).

  • th0rryy
    th0rryy Posts: 366
    NabySarr said:
    TC isn’t the problem, he was playing well enough and contributing to a team that was in the top 6 not long ago. Our issue is the lack of balance to our team due to defensive injuries. Once that is sorted the whole team will look better again, TC included

    What is a problem is how some fans seem to be so keen to jump on anything TC does wrong (or even blame him when he’s done nothing wrong). There are plenty of others players who have been a lot worse over the last 2 games but for some reason it’s all TC’s fault 

    This with bells on.

    I think people sometimes forget how young TC is and, as I have said elsewhere, how he is still finding his feet at the level. I don't think that, tactically, we play to his strengths and he shouldn't be considered a striker. He has also been deployed as a WB on more than one occasion, and that's another position that doesn't suit him. I think he would shine as a traditional wide, winger as either 3 in attack or 4 in midfield, but needs the comfort of a traditional WB/FB behind him to allow for his best work of running at defenders, either to the byline or mixing in cutting in.

    The weak centre midfield right now (both Docherty and Coventry both underperforming in recent games) will make him look worse. Even Carey has dipped as a result while we are leaking goals. Every attacking player looks worse because our priority as a team has been stopping the rot. 

    I think it's also prudent to remember that TCs contract is up in the summer. Giving the lad pelters every game isn't exactly going to make those conversations easy. I think the lad is definitely less like Small, but would anyone be surprised if he took up a double(ish)-your-salary deal for free in the summer to play at a comfortably mid/top-half Championship team? Even as a backup player, I'm sure teams are keeping their eye on him. Singing his song and sentimentality about the Academy goes only so far in a fleeting football career.

    I just think expectation levels are just a little too high for where he is. I still remember Aribo being incredibly raw until that L1 playoff run and look at his peaks in comparison now. TC will get there and has shown glimpses. He's still one of the only difference makers we have, but tactically, I think he's regularly employed as a bit of a square peg in a round hole.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 17,372
    One thing that struck me on Saturday was how Aribo seems to have bulked up massively. I think as a squad we lack physicality a bit. It's odd because you expect league 1 to be physical but I've been shocked by the size of players in the championship. Particularly the midfielders. 
  • paulsturgess
    paulsturgess Posts: 3,942
    fenaddick said:
    CafcWest said:
    He gets selected because he is the only player who drives the game forward.  He doesn't get enough decent crosses into the box or always beat his man but we have no real alternative.
    Apter on the left is the alternative.
    He's only ever played 8 games on the left compared to 82 on the right, it's not a serious option
    how many games had Thierry Small played on the right before he was switched their last season? How many games had Kayne Ramsay played at CB before we moved him there? How many games had Jacko played CM before we switched him to that role from LB/LM? How many games had Ryan Giggs played at DMC before Man U switched him to that role?

    Footballers adapt and alter positions all the time. Apter likes to drive forward with the ball, has a decent cross, it's commonplace for wingers to switch sides anyway. 

    It's a perfectly palatable option to try and adapt him to that role.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 12,573
    fenaddick said:
    CafcWest said:
    He gets selected because he is the only player who drives the game forward.  He doesn't get enough decent crosses into the box or always beat his man but we have no real alternative.
    Apter on the left is the alternative.
    He's only ever played 8 games on the left compared to 82 on the right, it's not a serious option
    how many games had Thierry Small played on the right before he was switched their last season? How many games had Kayne Ramsay played at CB before we moved him there? How many games had Jacko played CM before we switched him to that role from LB/LM? How many games had Ryan Giggs played at DMC before Man U switched him to that role?

    Footballers adapt and alter positions all the time. Apter likes to drive forward with the ball, has a decent cross, it's commonplace for wingers to switch sides anyway. 

    It's a perfectly palatable option to try and adapt him to that role.
    But none of them were also stepping up a level and settling into a new squad environment. These things don't happen in isolation and I don't think you can view them as such. Maybe he does have a future on the left or in a new position but he needs time to settle first
  • paulsturgess
    paulsturgess Posts: 3,942
    fenaddick said:
    fenaddick said:
    I’m still convinced he’s being given instructions to slow the game up to allow runners to arrive and that’s why he doesn’t take his man on. 

    Watch our attacking play on both wings. So often what happens is wide player gets forward towards the edge of the box, stops his run and passes it 5 yards back to (usually) Coventry who then plays it onto the runner, crosses (rare) or resets back to the defence. Yesterday there were times where TC was playing the Coventry role in that routine over on the right, it’s a clear pattern of play. 

    Second half he actually took his man on a couple of times and played an early cross both of which looked dangerous. Some of that is the state of the game but I’m sure he was told to be more free. 

    He’s at his best when acting on instinct, the assist for Leaburn, what was effectively the assist for Carey, the cross yesterday, his goals last season. All of them are outside the usual structure of how we play and have been seemingly based on his gut 
    *allow defenders to get back.
    Yeah that's the major flaw in the pattern but outside of TC we don't have a huge amount of pace on the pitch to play any quicker
    The fact we don't have a huge amount of pace on the pitch is exactly why we should be playing quicker, certainly when Kelman was on the pitch.

    Kelman, Godden (May before him) benefited from early crosses, passes, balls in behind when their timing, movement etc gives them the edge to find a bit of space. If you hold the ball up and delay playing a decisive pass, as has been so common this season, what we're doing is just letting their players get back behind the ball and because we don't have any pace once they have men behind, we have no ability to pass them and it's just the loft it towards a sole striker who in Kelman's case is never gonna do anything in those circumstances, Leaburn stands a better chance but when he's basically alone in the box / edge of box, it's difficult

    Olaofe similarly seems like someone who is better suited to driving through into space from an early pass versus battling for a header or trying to make himself space to get a shot off 

    no easy solution and TC at least holds the ball up for us, but he is creating no chances and the fact it is basically an accepted role that he is our forward but essentially isn't expected to score goals, is pretty crazy
  • paulsturgess
    paulsturgess Posts: 3,942
    NabySarr said:
    TC isn’t the problem, he was playing well enough and contributing to a team that was in the top 6 not long ago. Our issue is the lack of balance to our team due to defensive injuries. Once that is sorted the whole team will look better again, TC included

    What is a problem is how some fans seem to be so keen to jump on anything TC does wrong (or even blame him when he’s done nothing wrong). There are plenty of others players who have been a lot worse over the last 2 games but for some reason it’s all TC’s fault 
    I agree with this to an extent, TC is a good player and has a role to play, but it isn't solely about the defensive injuries - we need to offer more attacking threat and the lack of ability to defend from the front / relief pressure on the defence by playing with any purpose outside of our half has also played a major role in the recent results, and the disappointing performances that preceded them 
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,493
    AndyG said:
    NabySarr said:
    TC isn’t the problem, he was playing well enough and contributing to a team that was in the top 6 not long ago. Our issue is the lack of balance to our team due to defensive injuries. Once that is sorted the whole team will look better again, TC included

    What is a problem is how some fans seem to be so keen to jump on anything TC does wrong (or even blame him when he’s done nothing wrong). There are plenty of others players who have been a lot worse over the last 2 games but for some reason it’s all TC’s fault 
    Im very much in the camp that he should not be starting mate but it isnt because I have it in for the lad. I actually feel sorry for him as he is being asked to do what at the moment is simply beyond him and I honestly dont think it is doing him any good at all. I would take him out of the starting 11 for a while and bring him on late on. The trouble is who do we start in his place ?
    I think he’s needed to come out of the starting eleven for a while. He looks knackered and that’s no surprise considering he’s had barely any break for about a year. I still believe he’s in our best eleven, but if we don’t give him a breather at some point he’s going to continue to struggle 

    The problem is your last point, at the moment he’s in our best eleven and fits that left sided role better than anyone else we have. If we take him out of the team then who do we play? 


  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,451
    Campbell i m o has not improved since he's been a regular, there's still the hope that he will learn to look up and how to make a telling pass. However right now he's contributing very little.
    The Championship demands a lot more from every player than does League 1.
    Comments like 'he's still to find his feet', 'he's still young' etc. are all very well but there is little time as far as we are concerned, for youngsters to 'find their feet' or 'learn their trade' . Right now Campbell is a luxury we can no longer afford 
    :'( 

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  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 95,744
    edited November 26
    I think what annoys me most, isn't the fact that TC continues to get into positions and wastes chances.

    Its the fact that others don't really manage to even do that... I've been a supporter of Kelman and the work he does, but apart from the goal he's scored, same with Olaofe and Leaburn (the latter whose goal was ironically setup by TC), they don't really find themselves in the same sort of areas to at least try and convert any opportunities.

    Too often its a case when TC gets a chance its... "Kelman / Olaofe would bury that" etc. So why arent they getting those chances... TC isn't the "only" Striker... whilst its only Olaofe who comes close to him in terms creating chances.

    Leaburn does well with his hold up play, dont get me wrong, his decision making could be better at times, but he's also a Striker, and when we faced Hull; Campbell "wasted" three (?) chances, but where was Miles?
  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,349
    It's probably the most divisive issue on here but there are probably a few takes on TC's inclusion. For me, up to Kelmans departure, he and TC were starting to look like a partnership, since then TC has only played once in his or Nathan Jones preferred position, and that was against Southampton, he didn't look like a world beater in that game but like a lot of his teammates, it took them ages to work out what Saints were doing but by then we were 0-4 down. Southampton were the first team, for me who didn't double up on TC, every other team has earmarked him as a threat and made sure their full back doesn't over commit and stays with him, that gives us more space in midfield and that's one of the reasons he plays. For me, the other is that nobody who has come in has actually staked a claim for the position and other combinations, Leaburn and Olaofe have not really worked out. There is more to come from TC and once Kelman or maybe Godden return, you may see him flourish once more. 
  • crookester
    crookester Posts: 1,356
    Our system is based on pressing and TC is the best we have at that. Olaofe "could" do that job but has been nowhere near as effective so far and doesn't seem to be fit enough to play 60+ minutes. Apter has shown nothing to suggest he would press and get us higher up the pitch. So to answer the question of why TC is starting, the answer is that we haven't got anybody better for our chosen style of play.
  • AndyG
    AndyG Posts: 5,993
    NabySarr said:
    AndyG said:
    NabySarr said:
    TC isn’t the problem, he was playing well enough and contributing to a team that was in the top 6 not long ago. Our issue is the lack of balance to our team due to defensive injuries. Once that is sorted the whole team will look better again, TC included

    What is a problem is how some fans seem to be so keen to jump on anything TC does wrong (or even blame him when he’s done nothing wrong). There are plenty of others players who have been a lot worse over the last 2 games but for some reason it’s all TC’s fault 
    Im very much in the camp that he should not be starting mate but it isnt because I have it in for the lad. I actually feel sorry for him as he is being asked to do what at the moment is simply beyond him and I honestly dont think it is doing him any good at all. I would take him out of the starting 11 for a while and bring him on late on. The trouble is who do we start in his place ?
    I think he’s needed to come out of the starting eleven for a while. He looks knackered and that’s no surprise considering he’s had barely any break for about a year. I still believe he’s in our best eleven, but if we don’t give him a breather at some point he’s going to continue to struggle 

    The problem is your last point, at the moment he’s in our best eleven and fits that left sided role better than anyone else we have. If we take him out of the team then who do we play? 


    I really would like to know if as others have suggested he is following team orders but it is so frustrating when he has the ball going forward and as soon as a defender fronts up to him rather than trying to beat them with his pace he stops turns around and passes backwards. That is either as others have said team orders or a lack of confidence. 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 12,573
    AndyG said:
    NabySarr said:
    AndyG said:
    NabySarr said:
    TC isn’t the problem, he was playing well enough and contributing to a team that was in the top 6 not long ago. Our issue is the lack of balance to our team due to defensive injuries. Once that is sorted the whole team will look better again, TC included

    What is a problem is how some fans seem to be so keen to jump on anything TC does wrong (or even blame him when he’s done nothing wrong). There are plenty of others players who have been a lot worse over the last 2 games but for some reason it’s all TC’s fault 
    Im very much in the camp that he should not be starting mate but it isnt because I have it in for the lad. I actually feel sorry for him as he is being asked to do what at the moment is simply beyond him and I honestly dont think it is doing him any good at all. I would take him out of the starting 11 for a while and bring him on late on. The trouble is who do we start in his place ?
    I think he’s needed to come out of the starting eleven for a while. He looks knackered and that’s no surprise considering he’s had barely any break for about a year. I still believe he’s in our best eleven, but if we don’t give him a breather at some point he’s going to continue to struggle 

    The problem is your last point, at the moment he’s in our best eleven and fits that left sided role better than anyone else we have. If we take him out of the team then who do we play? 


    I really would like to know if as others have suggested he is following team orders but it is so frustrating when he has the ball going forward and as soon as a defender fronts up to him rather than trying to beat them with his pace he stops turns around and passes backwards. That is either as others have said team orders or a lack of confidence. 
    The fact he started taking his man on second half yesterday really suggests he’s following instructions to me
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,493
    AndyG said:
    NabySarr said:
    AndyG said:
    NabySarr said:
    TC isn’t the problem, he was playing well enough and contributing to a team that was in the top 6 not long ago. Our issue is the lack of balance to our team due to defensive injuries. Once that is sorted the whole team will look better again, TC included

    What is a problem is how some fans seem to be so keen to jump on anything TC does wrong (or even blame him when he’s done nothing wrong). There are plenty of others players who have been a lot worse over the last 2 games but for some reason it’s all TC’s fault 
    Im very much in the camp that he should not be starting mate but it isnt because I have it in for the lad. I actually feel sorry for him as he is being asked to do what at the moment is simply beyond him and I honestly dont think it is doing him any good at all. I would take him out of the starting 11 for a while and bring him on late on. The trouble is who do we start in his place ?
    I think he’s needed to come out of the starting eleven for a while. He looks knackered and that’s no surprise considering he’s had barely any break for about a year. I still believe he’s in our best eleven, but if we don’t give him a breather at some point he’s going to continue to struggle 

    The problem is your last point, at the moment he’s in our best eleven and fits that left sided role better than anyone else we have. If we take him out of the team then who do we play? 


    I really would like to know if as others have suggested he is following team orders but it is so frustrating when he has the ball going forward and as soon as a defender fronts up to him rather than trying to beat them with his pace he stops turns around and passes backwards. That is either as others have said team orders or a lack of confidence. 
    A lot of the time he isn’t 1v1 and it’s not the right option.TC is probably one of the better players in the league at going 1v1. Our problem is that if we aren’t moving the ball well (we haven’t for a while) then we don’t get the ball to him quickly enough so the opposition are able to double up by the time we’ve moved the ball to him. He can’t just run at them every time he gets the ball, he has to pick the right moments 

    There was at least a couple of times yesterday where people were moaning at him for not going for it when Stoke had 2 players there so it would have been the wrong option. Same people would probably moan at him if he did go for it and then lost the ball. I think a lot of the criticism he gets is unfair, I’ve even seen people call him lazy which is just ridiculous 
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,832
    We should have signed a player in the summer to start in that role and for TC to learn off. I like Tanto but he is also raw and developing. We should have gotten somebody proven in (easier said than done I know) 
  • Crispywood
    Crispywood Posts: 818
    Doesn’t seem like we’re willing to spend on players if there’s no chance of resale value for the future. Kaminski being the exception 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 12,573
    Doesn’t seem like we’re willing to spend on players if there’s no chance of resale value for the future. Kaminski being the exception 
    No resale value on Godden either an highly unlikely to be any on Burke
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,832
    That's where a loan might have come in handy I suppose