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Why does T.Campbell keep getting selected
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17 games, 0 goals, 1 assist this season, no one can defend that, it's a abysmal return6
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There’s plenty of other stats that show TC has contributed well this season. His finishing is poor and he should have had a couple of goals, but outside of that his performances have been decentIR94 said:17 games, 0 goals, 1 assist this season, no one can defend that, it's a abysmal return
Amongst championship forwards he’s in the
Top 18% for chances created per 90
Top 24% for successful dribbles
Top 35% for fouls won
Top half for interceptions and recoveries
Looking at championship wingers he’s joint 10th for chances created. Not bad for a 22 year old in his first championship season who also doesn’t take any set pieces which will boost other players numbers. For open play chances created per 90 he’s 26th best in the league (all players not just wingers)
He also carries the ball an average 112.9m per 90. For carries that end in a chance he’s 13th best in the league. Again for a 22 year old in his first championship season he’s not doing too badly here when comparing him to other players at this level
Just quoting goals and assists is a very limited view of a players contribution. He’s been off it recently but over the season, he’s carried the ball well, got us up the pitch, created chances and ran his socks off most games, and put a shift in for the team at wing back a few times too. Yes, his finishing and decision making could do some work, and that will be the cherry on top to all the good work he’s doing already as seen with these stats
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One assist? - If you're going to bemoan him off, at least get the basics right?IR94 said:17 games, 0 goals, 1 assist this season, no one can defend that, it's a abysmal return
Got the assist against QPR with Apter, then one for Leaburn at Ipswich, and then the half assist, which should still count as Carey wasn't shooting until TC played that pass against Sheff Wednesday - Might not be much, but he's still equal at the top of the Statbank for assists.5 -
I would say Thierry Small was doing those things. Had been with us for less than a year and what 50 odd career games under his belt, mostly in Scotland.fenaddick said:
But none of them were also stepping up a level and settling into a new squad environment. These things don't happen in isolation and I don't think you can view them as such. Maybe he does have a future on the left or in a new position but he needs time to settle firstpaulsturgess said:
how many games had Thierry Small played on the right before he was switched their last season? How many games had Kayne Ramsay played at CB before we moved him there? How many games had Jacko played CM before we switched him to that role from LB/LM? How many games had Ryan Giggs played at DMC before Man U switched him to that role?fenaddick said:
He's only ever played 8 games on the left compared to 82 on the right, it's not a serious optionBedsaddick said:
Apter on the left is the alternative.CafcWest said:He gets selected because he is the only player who drives the game forward. He doesn't get enough decent crosses into the box or always beat his man but we have no real alternative.
Footballers adapt and alter positions all the time. Apter likes to drive forward with the ball, has a decent cross, it's commonplace for wingers to switch sides anyway.
It's a perfectly palatable option to try and adapt him to that role.
If somebody has the raw attributes etc I don't see why he should have to wait to learn a new position, if they're good enough they're old enough as they say
Konsa another one, developed as a centre half broke into our team as a kid played RB and CM.
Apter wants to shoot and wants to put an early cross in. Those are things we are painfully lacking at the moment, Carey is the only one who is eager to take an early or first time assertive move with the ball and that's why he's our top scorer. It might not work but I would be looking to try and use the lad as TC is really struggling to impact at the minute. Especially once we have the security of Edwards or Bell back at LWB0 -
I was just asking to check you were the same person.Nicholas said:
Yeah I was. What’s your point?Off_it said:
Just checking, but you were the fella calling for Jones to be sacked a year ago, weren't you?Nicholas said:Jones is too stuck in his ways and it's annoying. No idea why Apter can't be given a go in the TC roll up front, least he runs at players and has a eye for goal. Putting Rob at wing is just a joke. Failing that even given Hernandez a go there and not at bloody wing back wither. TC looked good when he came on against Ipswich, he has started every game since and has looked really poor.
But now you've confirmed it I guess the point would be that you were calling for him to be sacked a year ago and since then he's got us promoted, so I guess he's proven you wrong.
Now, after losing three games you're back here having another dig at him - and yet he's the one stuck in his ways and annoying, yeah?
I mean, I guess that makes a lot of sense somewhere.0 -
So Jones is allowed to make mistakes but Nicholas isn't? Just cos somebody makes one wrong judgement, doesn't mean they can never pass a judgement againOff_it said:
I was just asking to check you were the same person.Nicholas said:
Yeah I was. What’s your point?Off_it said:
Just checking, but you were the fella calling for Jones to be sacked a year ago, weren't you?Nicholas said:Jones is too stuck in his ways and it's annoying. No idea why Apter can't be given a go in the TC roll up front, least he runs at players and has a eye for goal. Putting Rob at wing is just a joke. Failing that even given Hernandez a go there and not at bloody wing back wither. TC looked good when he came on against Ipswich, he has started every game since and has looked really poor.
But now you've confirmed it I guess the point would be that you were calling for him to be sacked a year ago and since then he's got us promoted, so I guess he's proven you wrong.
Now, after losing three games you're back here having another dig at him - and yet he's the one stuck in his ways and annoying, yeah?
I mean, I guess that makes a lot of sense somewhere.
Also, Jones and the form / system etc were rightly criticised at the time and thankfully, hats off, it necessarily came... some criticism now is probably also warranted, he's not calling for him to be sacked FFS, positive suggestions about how to try and improve the poor form we're in4 -
He can do what he wants mate, I'm not stopping him.paulsturgess said:
So Jones is allowed to make mistakes but Nicholas isn't? Just cos somebody makes one wrong judgement, doesn't mean they can never pass a judgement againOff_it said:
I was just asking to check you were the same person.Nicholas said:
Yeah I was. What’s your point?Off_it said:
Just checking, but you were the fella calling for Jones to be sacked a year ago, weren't you?Nicholas said:Jones is too stuck in his ways and it's annoying. No idea why Apter can't be given a go in the TC roll up front, least he runs at players and has a eye for goal. Putting Rob at wing is just a joke. Failing that even given Hernandez a go there and not at bloody wing back wither. TC looked good when he came on against Ipswich, he has started every game since and has looked really poor.
But now you've confirmed it I guess the point would be that you were calling for him to be sacked a year ago and since then he's got us promoted, so I guess he's proven you wrong.
Now, after losing three games you're back here having another dig at him - and yet he's the one stuck in his ways and annoying, yeah?
I mean, I guess that makes a lot of sense somewhere.
Also, Jones and the form / system etc were rightly criticised at the time and thankfully, hats off, it necessarily came... some criticism now is probably also warranted, he's not calling for him to be sacked FFS, positive suggestions about how to try and improve the poor form we're in
I was just asking if he was the fella that was calling for the managers head a year ago as that helps me form my own views on whether I pay much attention to what he's saying now. Which I think is fair enough.1 -
Godden cost us 250k, Burkes fee was never reported anywhere but based on his wages for an L1 status, Luton selling good players cheap and injury status I doubt we paid anything near the likes we did for others.fenaddick said:
No resale value on Godden either an highly unlikely to be any on BurkeCrispywood said:Doesn’t seem like we’re willing to spend on players if there’s no chance of resale value for the future. Kaminski being the exception0 -
TC isn't good enough for the championship.
Zero goals and only one assist is proof of that.
Also he's 22 years old ,not 17 or 18 so age can't be offered as an excuse.
But to answer the opening question on this thread he plays because we simply don't have anyone better in his position.
Along with a couple of other positions in the squad it's a position that needs strengthening.4 -
Always easier when you are a goal up against a side pushing for an equaliser?Croydon said:Best game he's has had this season was off the bench against Ipswich. Both he and Leaburn were an absolute terror for their defence, but have both been largely ineffective when starting.
TC struggled last season against the better League One teams, so it's no real surprise that he hasn't lit the championship alight. The fact is that none of our forwards are creating or scoring enough.
Problem comes when we are not, as he actually creates very little and doesn't score either. The point about slowing game up is a valid one. Leaburn needs TC to occasionally beat someone and put a decent early cross in......2 -
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On the subject if wingers and TC.
I hark back to the 1970's - John Robertson of Forest who rarely went by a defender, rather he dipped his shoulder, bought himself half a yard and whipped an early cross in! What is the thing about always "going past the defender".
MMymain issue with TC is his poor end product and delivery when he does occasionally have the opportunity.1 -
Well that’s just a lie. His chance creation numbers are good when compared to other championship forwards/wingers this seasonCharltonManor1966 said:
Always easier when you are a goal up against a side pushing for an equaliser?Croydon said:Best game he's has had this season was off the bench against Ipswich. Both he and Leaburn were an absolute terror for their defence, but have both been largely ineffective when starting.
TC struggled last season against the better League One teams, so it's no real surprise that he hasn't lit the championship alight. The fact is that none of our forwards are creating or scoring enough.
Problem comes when we are not, as he actually creates very little and doesn't score either. The point about slowing game up is a valid one. Leaburn needs TC to occasionally beat someone and put a decent early cross in......0 -
I think people confuse the team not creating with him not creating because he's our main spark, the difference is other teams have multiple players who are capable of creating thingsNabySarr said:
Well that’s just a lie. His chance creation numbers are good when compared to other championship forwards/wingers this seasonCharltonManor1966 said:
Always easier when you are a goal up against a side pushing for an equaliser?Croydon said:Best game he's has had this season was off the bench against Ipswich. Both he and Leaburn were an absolute terror for their defence, but have both been largely ineffective when starting.
TC struggled last season against the better League One teams, so it's no real surprise that he hasn't lit the championship alight. The fact is that none of our forwards are creating or scoring enough.
Problem comes when we are not, as he actually creates very little and doesn't score either. The point about slowing game up is a valid one. Leaburn needs TC to occasionally beat someone and put a decent early cross in......3 -
And there lies the problemfenaddick said:
I think people confuse the team not creating with him not creating because he's our main spark, the difference is other teams have multiple players who are capable of creating thingsNabySarr said:
Well that’s just a lie. His chance creation numbers are good when compared to other championship forwards/wingers this seasonCharltonManor1966 said:
Always easier when you are a goal up against a side pushing for an equaliser?Croydon said:Best game he's has had this season was off the bench against Ipswich. Both he and Leaburn were an absolute terror for their defence, but have both been largely ineffective when starting.
TC struggled last season against the better League One teams, so it's no real surprise that he hasn't lit the championship alight. The fact is that none of our forwards are creating or scoring enough.
Problem comes when we are not, as he actually creates very little and doesn't score either. The point about slowing game up is a valid one. Leaburn needs TC to occasionally beat someone and put a decent early cross in......2 -
We are a team that creates few chances and scores few goals. It's something we simply have to improve on. We can argue all we want about TC's attributes, but the fact is, he's creating very little and scoring even less.
We need to find solutions, not just live in hope.
If Jones wants to keep playing him, then get him to start making runs inside the defender and instruct the midfield to look to thread a pass through to him.
Continually receiving the ball with one or two defenders in front of him, is of no use.
He's fast, he's tricky, so instruct him to start making some intelligent runs.
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Off_it said:
I was just asking to check you were the same person.Nicholas said:
Yeah I was. What’s your point?Off_it said:
Just checking, but you were the fella calling for Jones to be sacked a year ago, weren't you?Nicholas said:Jones is too stuck in his ways and it's annoying. No idea why Apter can't be given a go in the TC roll up front, least he runs at players and has a eye for goal. Putting Rob at wing is just a joke. Failing that even given Hernandez a go there and not at bloody wing back wither. TC looked good when he came on against Ipswich, he has started every game since and has looked really poor.
But now you've confirmed it I guess the point would be that you were calling for him to be sacked a year ago and since then he's got us promoted, so I guess he's proven you wrong.
Now, after losing three games you're back here having another dig at him - and yet he's the one stuck in his ways and annoying, yeah?
I mean, I guess that makes a lot of sense somewhere.
You wasn't just checking you was trying to be funny and mug me off so cut the crap. I have no problem admitting I wanted him out, the football we played was utter garbage and we were looking like we were going to go down. I've said it before and will say it again I was calling for more attacking wingers to be played from the start of last season. He finally realised himself and put Small attacking down the right and TC drifting to left, now don't get me wrong I wasn't expecting us to play wingers in that way but it worked brilliantly so fair play to the man that was a stroke of genius and got us promoted.
This season it's been much the same and we have done really well. However Jones has wound me up with a few things in recent times, one being that I think TC needs time out the team, in fairness to TC his best game in the last 7-8 matches was Wrexham away playing at wing back which again I will admit was expecting to be a disaster however he looked after their pacey winger all game until the last 15-20 mins when Jones decided to put Hernandez there and move TC further forward. The rest is history in that game. Oh and yes he is too stubborn he only trusts a few players and now we need the rest of the squad to help out they can't do it because they have hardly played any minutes. He has given Rankin Costello no time at all except for the last 2 games when they were over. He has hardly given Tanto a sniff, same with Knibbs and will not give Apter a chance in the actual position he plays or at least a more attacking one.
Onto the Soton game have no problems being battered by teams once in a while it's part of football and sometimes everything goes in for you it's one of those things. However to start Hernandez at left back and Apter at right back against 2 of the best wingers in the league was suicidal, didn't take a genius to work that out. When we was 2-0 down it probably should have been 4 and when we was 4 down it probably should have been 6 or 7. However Jones did nothing till it was 4-0 and the game was over.
Stoke Away again I felt sorry the lads in this game and I'm not even blaming Jones, They scored a freak goal, the second was a foul and all of a sudden it felt like Saturday again and you could see the players were shitting themselves as they didn't want the same thing to happen. What is the problem with playing Apter in his position but on the right of Leaburn, what's not helping is players like TC who are doing nothing going forward anymore, we have struggled for goals and he is not creating anymore, he looks frightened to take players on burn or even Hernandez in the same position as TC.
Load of people on here have referred to Jones as a marmite character maybe that's it I just don't like him well I certainly don't like marmite, I don't like the way he comes across, I don't like the fact that a lot of games seem to be just about him and not the players/club as a whole, any Welsh team we play, Stoke, Soton and any other team he has pissed off in the past. In the same breath I am grateful he got us out of that shit league and even though I will always moan at him like I will always moan at any manager or any player I will always want him to do well whilst wearing our badge but if anyone thinks he shouldn't be criticized again because he got us promoted you are seriously deluded.
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That isn’t a fact though. In fact if you look at the stats you are very wrong. He’s one of our most creative players and his creative numbers stack up well against other wingers/forwards in the leaguequeensland_addick said:We are a team that creates few chances and scores few goals. It's something we simply have to improve on. We can argue all we want about TC's attributes, but the fact is, he's creating very little and scoring even less.
We need to find solutions, not just live in hope.
If Jones wants to keep playing him, then get him to start making runs inside the defender and instruct the midfield to look to thread a pass through to him.
Continually receiving the ball with one or two defenders in front of him, is of no use.
He's fast, he's tricky, so instruct him to start making some intelligent runs.
We are a team that doesn’t create much, but that’s probably why Jones always picks TC, because he’s one of the only players we have that can create something8 -
I've found it interesting that a fair few of the new signings who weren't known quantities to Jones seem to be having a lot of trouble with fitness and intensity. Tanto, Apter, Knibbs and JRC seem to be really struggling with getting into the pace of how we play and maintaining it, and it's leading to them getting subbed off quite early looking abslutely spent when they start or just not playing that much. Kelman and Carey look much fitter and as a result have locked down first team spots. I guess stats can tell you how much ground a player covers in a game but not necessarily at what intensity so maybe we've identified players who can manage their movements well across 90 minutes but with far less speed and aggression than is required in our press. Definitely something for the recruitment lot to think aboutcrookester said:Our system is based on pressing and TC is the best we have at that. Olaofe "could" do that job but has been nowhere near as effective so far and doesn't seem to be fit enough to play 60+ minutes. Apter has shown nothing to suggest he would press and get us higher up the pitch. So to answer the question of why TC is starting, the answer is that we haven't got anybody better for our chosen style of play.2 -
You can look at how many sprints a player does, as well as how much ground they cover. It’s probably hard for all of them to be at it when they aren’t playing regularlyGarrymanilow said:
I've found it interesting that a fair few of the new signings who weren't known quantities to Jones seem to be having a lot of trouble with fitness and intensity. Tanto, Apter, Knibbs and JRC seem to be really struggling with getting into the pace of how we play and maintaining it, and it's leading to them getting subbed off quite early looking abslutely spent when they start or just not playing that much. Kelman and Carey look much fitter and as a result have locked down first team spots. I guess stats can tell you how much ground a player covers in a game but not necessarily at what intensity so maybe we've identified players who can manage their movements well across 90 minutes but with far less speed and aggression than is required in our press. Definitely something for the recruitment lot to think aboutcrookester said:Our system is based on pressing and TC is the best we have at that. Olaofe "could" do that job but has been nowhere near as effective so far and doesn't seem to be fit enough to play 60+ minutes. Apter has shown nothing to suggest he would press and get us higher up the pitch. So to answer the question of why TC is starting, the answer is that we haven't got anybody better for our chosen style of play.Think it takes a while for players to get up to speed for the way we play, and a while for Jones to trust them too. That’s why he loves signing former players because he knows they will be fine and he trusts them straight away0 -
Playing TC at left wing back is madness6
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very reasoned post @Nicholas and well put - alot of which I agree with. I like Jones but he's not immune to criticism
however he's still massively in credit and as long as we stay up this season, he'll remain so, yes he can be stubborn and yes some of his signings haven't quite worked out (find me a club where they all do - look at Liverpool at the moment!).
we've had our best spell this season with TC and Kelman starting games, granted our left hand side has killed us in recent weeks with Edwards and Bell out.
I do think TC could do with a rest, all the travelling in the international breaks must be taking it's toll. Those who roll out the stat that he only has 1 assist (Ipswich) are forgetting he does create chances - we just don't put them away - and in general he occupies 2 defenders.
It can't be a coincidence that most other fans see him as our main threat7 -
The problem is he is being asked to be a winger and a striker and isn’t good enough at the level at either, maybe just look at his performances based upon being a winger they will possibly look a little better.0
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Not just this season the last 3 months of last season he started this run of form he was invisible in the big games v Wrexham , 3 games v Wycombe and the final …. This year he been extremely poor and should have been dropped months ago .Remember many years ago Chris Powell would not drop Pritchard no matter how poor he was , he would just move him into different positions .. that helped cost Powell his job.Do think both Campbell and Leaburn like most of our younger upcoming players have suffered cause of getting promoted ahead of schedule another year in league one then they might have been more ready but truth is they not good enough for championship0
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In hindsight going into a championship season with 4 unproven young forwards was a massive risk. There’s an argument for picking any of TC/Oloafe/Leaburn/Kelman purely because none of the others look great2
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It’s difficult to buy a proven experienced championship forward at this level without spending loads over our budget unfortunately. If Kelman cost £3.5m then imagine how much you’re having to pay for someone who is proven at this levelCrispywood said:In hindsight going into a championship season with 4 unproven young forwards was a massive risk. There’s an argument for picking any of TC/Oloafe/Leaburn/Kelman purely because none of the others look great
We’ve got 4 young unproven forwards and we haven’t done too badly. All 4 of them will get better in the future too1 -
Even if we broke the bank for a proven striker(don’t know who that would have been?) we would have been a huge risk for that striker to come too, so we went for potential, don’t really see what else we could have done we were an established league 1 club to anyone looking from the outside and from the realistic ones on the inside.NabySarr said:
It’s difficult to buy a proven experienced championship forward at this level without spending loads over our budget unfortunately. If Kelman cost £3.5m then imagine how much you’re having to pay for someone who is proven at this levelCrispywood said:In hindsight going into a championship season with 4 unproven young forwards was a massive risk. There’s an argument for picking any of TC/Oloafe/Leaburn/Kelman purely because none of the others look great
We’ve got 4 young unproven forwards and we haven’t done too badly. All 4 of them will get better in the future too2 -
A good debate here but I still don’t understand the contradiction in the opening post. The OP claims that NJ is our best manager since Curbs but starts a thread criticising that same manager’s selection.
Personally I think TC is capable of more assists but our style of play doesn’t allow it. As others have said, NJ is well in credit but his football does not please fans who desire exciting football. Why are we questioning a player not scoring or getting assists in this system? It’s all about clean sheets, isn’t it?1 -
NJ full seasonjimmymelrose said:A good debate here but I still don’t understand the contradiction in the opening post. The OP claims that NJ is our best manager since Curbs but starts a thread criticising that same manager’s selection.
Personally I think TC is capable of more assists but our style of play doesn’t allow it. As others have said, NJ is well in credit but his football does not please fans who desire exciting football. Why are we questioning a player not scoring or getting assists in this system? It’s all about clean sheets, isn’t it?
17/18- Collins 19 goals
21/22- Adebayo 16 goals
24/25- Godden 18 goals
NJ has proved his system can have a prolific goal scorer despite being a defence first approach. Yet all our strikers have less goals tha Bree and Gillesphey that suggests we just don’t have the quality up top and they haven’t developed as well as we hoped0 -
Elthamaddick said:very reasoned post @Nicholas and well put - alot of which I agree with. I like Jones but he's not immune to criticism
however he's still massively in credit and as long as we stay up this season, he'll remain so, yes he can be stubborn and yes some of his signings haven't quite worked out (find me a club where they all do - look at Liverpool at the moment!).
we've had our best spell this season with TC and Kelman starting games, granted our left hand side has killed us in recent weeks with Edwards and Bell out.
I do think TC could do with a rest, all the travelling in the international breaks must be taking it's toll. Those who roll out the stat that he only has 1 assist (Ipswich) are forgetting he does create chances - we just don't put them away - and in general he occupies 2 defenders.
It can't be a coincidence that most other fans see him as our only threat
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I got lots of lols before the season started for saying he isn’t good enough to be starting week in week out in the championship - you only needed to look at his numbers in the league below last season to know he won’t be contributing many goals/assists this season.I’d like to see Olaofe start in his position, which I don’t think has happened yet this season, pretty sure he’s only started through the middle?0
