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A big part of Apter not getting double marked though is that he sits a lot deeper than TC. We generally don't have that much possession so Apter will spend more time in the RWB space than high up the pitch like TC does. No team is sending players to double mark a defender in the opposition half whereas defences will always target an attacking player in their half for it. Apter is also slower than TC and very rarely bursts past his marker. TC gets ganged up on to prevent him from being able to knock the ball past his man and move into the space before anyone can stop him because there's no catching him if he gets away. Apter has good acceleration but his overall speed isn't blistering and he tends to get up to his man and then try and put a cross in rather than looking to break into the space. The other part of it is that generally they will be on the pitch at the same time. You can't be double marking two players because you'll leave too much space, so the opposition chooses to target TC instead of Apter, you can read into that whatever you want. It's hard to really assess at this point anyway because it's not since Hull that Apter has had a proper start. He put in 6 crosses in 54 minutes and only one was accurate so they were clearly quite comfortable letting that happen and defending the ball in which doesn't require doubling up.queensland_addick said:
A good player finds the space himself by timing runs away from his marker. TC rarely receives the ball on the run, he's either static or running backwards.fenaddick said:
Watch it not happen now but look out for it tomorrow, you’ll be amazed how often it happens. You’re right it’s too effective against him but it would work less if there was another red shirt near himqueensland_addick said:
One of the reasons we create and score so little is because we are so slow and so predictable in our build up play.ForeverAddickted said:
Even when he's 1v1, his team mates need to use their brains a bit better and help him out if needbe.NabySarr said:
It’s the rest of the teams job to get TC 1v1 against his man. That’s integral to our style of play this season and last season. The team moves the ball quick enough to get TC 1v1 so he can go at his mansam3110 said:TC doesn't press from the front, he plays out wide left.
80% of the time on Tuesday night instead of running at his man and taking them on, he ran 10 yards, checked back and passed inside to a midfielderThe team wasn’t doing that job at all until Fullah came on, so TC was nearly always up against 2 players so didn’t go for it (other than once he did and managed to beat 2, but you can’t expect him to do that all the time). With Fullah occupying the second defender, TC could then get 1v1 and then did go at his man more often than not
Its alright standing around waiting for him to beat his man into the box, but often that ball cant come in
Because if the Defender he's up against looks like they're getting support, surely it means that TC needs an additional option as well - More often than not, that happens and he's forced to pass it backwards, or like we saw at one stage on Tuesday, he tried to take them on, and got bullied off it too easily.
We constantly allow the opposing defence time to organise and mark their man.
Our goal on Saturday came about because Apter didn't mess around looking for support behind him or aside him, he was purely focused on beating his man and putting a dangerous ball in, quickly and efficiently.
It created mayhem and lead to an own goal.
I'm not buying all this TC has two men on him. Within what a yard? 5 yards, 10 yards?
Wherever you are on the pitch, there's probably always going to be 2 opposing players in close proximity to you.
TC shouldn't be worrying about that, his aim should be to use his speed and trickery to beat whatever is in front of him, he could easily beat two men once he's on the run. His focus should be on attacking the box and either getting a shot away or picking out a forward, that's what he's there for, not just playing it safe.
He's too easy to mark and too easy to neutralise. Whether that's down to instructions or a lack of confidence who knows.
Apter seems to find himself in more space and creates more as a result.
Opposing teams, when assessing the stats, would conclude that Apter is the more likely to either create or score, yet Apter doesn't appear to get double marked, and finds space in which to operate.
Or is it perhaps that they can't double mark him because his movement is so much better than TC's.5 -
I guess I'm spoilt having grown up watching Colin Powell beating 2 and 3 defenders at a time, then putting it on a plate for Flanagan or Hales.NabySarr said:queensland_addick said:
One of the reasons we create and score so little is because we are so slow and so predictable in our build up play.ForeverAddickted said:
Even when he's 1v1, his team mates need to use their brains a bit better and help him out if needbe.NabySarr said:
It’s the rest of the teams job to get TC 1v1 against his man. That’s integral to our style of play this season and last season. The team moves the ball quick enough to get TC 1v1 so he can go at his mansam3110 said:TC doesn't press from the front, he plays out wide left.
80% of the time on Tuesday night instead of running at his man and taking them on, he ran 10 yards, checked back and passed inside to a midfielderThe team wasn’t doing that job at all until Fullah came on, so TC was nearly always up against 2 players so didn’t go for it (other than once he did and managed to beat 2, but you can’t expect him to do that all the time). With Fullah occupying the second defender, TC could then get 1v1 and then did go at his man more often than not
Its alright standing around waiting for him to beat his man into the box, but often that ball cant come in
Because if the Defender he's up against looks like they're getting support, surely it means that TC needs an additional option as well - More often than not, that happens and he's forced to pass it backwards, or like we saw at one stage on Tuesday, he tried to take them on, and got bullied off it too easily.
We constantly allow the opposing defence time to organise and mark their man.
Our goal on Saturday came about because Apter didn't mess around looking for support behind him or aside him, he was purely focused on beating his man and putting a dangerous ball in, quickly and efficiently.
It created mayhem and lead to an own goal.
I'm not buying all this TC has two men on him. Within what a yard? 5 yards, 10 yards?
Wherever you are on the pitch, there's probably always going to be 2 opposing players in close proximity to you.
TC shouldn't be worrying about that, his aim should be to use his speed and trickery to beat whatever is in front of him, he could easily beat two men once he's on the run. His focus should be on attacking the box and either getting a shot away or picking out a forward, that's what he's there for, not just playing it safe.You are 100% right that our build up play is too slow, but that is how the opposition are nearly always able to get 2 players to TC, because by the time we’ve got the ball to him they’ve shuffled across to cover it off. Even if it’s a second player 5-10 yards away, to get past a man you are usually having to take a big touch to get away from them, so a player 5-10 yards away is in the right place to intercept.TC will be under instruction to not try and take 2 players on, unless there is really nothing else on. If he tried to take 2 players on he would nearly always lose the ball, and Jones would be fuming at him because it’s a stupid thing to attempt when if he’s attracted 2 players there will be another Charlton player in space elsewhere. Even the best dribblers only have a % success rate of 50-60%, so even trying to take 1 player on is a big risk of losing possession, let alone 2.TC will be told that whenever he gets the ball he has a decision to make, if he’s 1v1 and the space is there, go for it. If it’s not the right option, then keep the ball and play an easy pass. His decision making is definitely a weakness, sometimes he should go for it and doesn’t, other times he goes for it when he shouldn’t and loses the ball. But asking him to attempt to take 2 players on would just be a silly idea, he’d lose the ball pretty much every time
TC seems to be about as effective as Ralph Milne ATM.0 -
Stats are the lazy man's guide to ability. Many players can just "play for their stats" - especially when a contract is coming up for renewal.Scoham said:
His passes are generally short and safe.drawnablank said:
TC leads the entire squad in passing accuracy this seasonCAFCsayer said:
Kelman's link up play was also starting to look very good, TC can't passNabySarr said:Find it quite funny how people are now bigging Kelman up because we are missing his pressing from the front and runs creating space for others, despite his lack of output. But TC offers the team exactly the same and everyone hates him
On the thread title, there’s a new Cawley article this morning in which NJ defends TC. He said his high speed running, sprint distance and distance overall stats are always top.
He agrees his attacking output can be better.
This means that safe completed passes or aimless yards covered can take priority over actual brave running or passes.
TC will often take the least brave option probably due to lack of confidence but his stats probably look quite good as NJ has noted.
I would far rather have a Carey type player who will risk trying the brave run or pass and risk losing out than a player who passes the buck to someone else.....3 -
That works both ways though, maybe if TC took more risks he’d get more goals and assists.CharltonManor1966 said:
Stats are the lazy man's guide to ability. Many players can just "play for their stats" - especially when a contract is coming up for renewal.Scoham said:
His passes are generally short and safe.drawnablank said:
TC leads the entire squad in passing accuracy this seasonCAFCsayer said:
Kelman's link up play was also starting to look very good, TC can't passNabySarr said:Find it quite funny how people are now bigging Kelman up because we are missing his pressing from the front and runs creating space for others, despite his lack of output. But TC offers the team exactly the same and everyone hates him
On the thread title, there’s a new Cawley article this morning in which NJ defends TC. He said his high speed running, sprint distance and distance overall stats are always top.
He agrees his attacking output can be better.
This means that safe completed passes or aimless yards covered can take priority over actual brave running or passes.
TC will often take the least brave option probably due to lack of confidence but his stats probably look quite good as NJ has noted.
I would far rather have a Carey type player who will risk trying the brave run or pass and risk losing out than a player who passes the buck to someone else.....
If I was the manager looking at the stats, I wouldn’t focus on passing accuracy for the reasons you mention. There are stats around chances created, dribbling, crossing etc which NJ will want to see. I’m sure he’s not literally only looking at stats around running and pass accuracy.1 -
My eyes don’t match up with some of his stats, probably why I think stats are bollox!!😂Scoham said:
That works both ways though, maybe if TC took more risks he’d get more goals and assists.CharltonManor1966 said:
Stats are the lazy man's guide to ability. Many players can just "play for their stats" - especially when a contract is coming up for renewal.Scoham said:
His passes are generally short and safe.drawnablank said:
TC leads the entire squad in passing accuracy this seasonCAFCsayer said:
Kelman's link up play was also starting to look very good, TC can't passNabySarr said:Find it quite funny how people are now bigging Kelman up because we are missing his pressing from the front and runs creating space for others, despite his lack of output. But TC offers the team exactly the same and everyone hates him
On the thread title, there’s a new Cawley article this morning in which NJ defends TC. He said his high speed running, sprint distance and distance overall stats are always top.
He agrees his attacking output can be better.
This means that safe completed passes or aimless yards covered can take priority over actual brave running or passes.
TC will often take the least brave option probably due to lack of confidence but his stats probably look quite good as NJ has noted.
I would far rather have a Carey type player who will risk trying the brave run or pass and risk losing out than a player who passes the buck to someone else.....
If I was the manager looking at the stats, I wouldn’t focus on passing accuracy for the reasons you mention. There are stats around chances created, dribbling, crossing etc which NJ will want to see. I’m sure he’s not literally only looking at stats around running and pass accuracy.2 -
The fact that Jones has come out to defend him and those are the main positives just demonstrates how little he's adding in my opinion.Scoham said:
His passes are generally short and safe.drawnablank said:
TC leads the entire squad in passing accuracy this seasonCAFCsayer said:
Kelman's link up play was also starting to look very good, TC can't passNabySarr said:Find it quite funny how people are now bigging Kelman up because we are missing his pressing from the front and runs creating space for others, despite his lack of output. But TC offers the team exactly the same and everyone hates him
On the thread title, there’s a new Cawley article this morning in which NJ defends TC. He said his high speed running, sprint distance and distance overall stats are always top.
He agrees his attacking output can be better.
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Maybe, but I think he’s had to answer as Cawley’s asked the question, potentially because fans have brought it up.Croydon said:
The fact that Jones has come out to defend him and those are the main positives just demonstrates how little he's adding in my opinion.Scoham said:
His passes are generally short and safe.drawnablank said:
TC leads the entire squad in passing accuracy this seasonCAFCsayer said:
Kelman's link up play was also starting to look very good, TC can't passNabySarr said:Find it quite funny how people are now bigging Kelman up because we are missing his pressing from the front and runs creating space for others, despite his lack of output. But TC offers the team exactly the same and everyone hates him
On the thread title, there’s a new Cawley article this morning in which NJ defends TC. He said his high speed running, sprint distance and distance overall stats are always top.
He agrees his attacking output can be better.1 -
Yeah I'm sure that's why he's done it, but 'he covers a lot of the pitch' is hardly a positive and more a basic expectation of a player.Scoham said:
Maybe, but I think he’s had to answer as Cawley’s asked the question, potentially because fans have brought it up.Croydon said:
The fact that Jones has come out to defend him and those are the main positives just demonstrates how little he's adding in my opinion.Scoham said:
His passes are generally short and safe.drawnablank said:
TC leads the entire squad in passing accuracy this seasonCAFCsayer said:
Kelman's link up play was also starting to look very good, TC can't passNabySarr said:Find it quite funny how people are now bigging Kelman up because we are missing his pressing from the front and runs creating space for others, despite his lack of output. But TC offers the team exactly the same and everyone hates him
On the thread title, there’s a new Cawley article this morning in which NJ defends TC. He said his high speed running, sprint distance and distance overall stats are always top.
He agrees his attacking output can be better.1 -
It is, but it’s why he’s kept his place when the likes of Apter, Tanto, Knibbs, Fullah etc could have been given a go in a similar role.Croydon said:
Yeah I'm sure that's why he's done it, but 'he covers a lot of the pitch' is hardly a positive and more a basic expectation of a player.Scoham said:
Maybe, but I think he’s had to answer as Cawley’s asked the question, potentially because fans have brought it up.Croydon said:
The fact that Jones has come out to defend him and those are the main positives just demonstrates how little he's adding in my opinion.Scoham said:
His passes are generally short and safe.drawnablank said:
TC leads the entire squad in passing accuracy this seasonCAFCsayer said:
Kelman's link up play was also starting to look very good, TC can't passNabySarr said:Find it quite funny how people are now bigging Kelman up because we are missing his pressing from the front and runs creating space for others, despite his lack of output. But TC offers the team exactly the same and everyone hates him
On the thread title, there’s a new Cawley article this morning in which NJ defends TC. He said his high speed running, sprint distance and distance overall stats are always top.
He agrees his attacking output can be better.2 -
Maybe he'll develop in the coming years, but nothing from what I've seen would indicate he's going to be Championship level for the long term.
Needs a big stint in league one to iron out his weaknesses.
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He is so frustrating this season. On Tuesday he actually ran forward driving the defenders back and caused panic. But 99/100 when he gets the ball he goes forward a few yards, stops, passes back and that’s it. He needs to go forward lots more1
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If he does beat a defender with pace and actually get a cross in, no one will be there to meet it as the rest of the team break at a snail's pace 🐌2
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Have got 2 Boro fans at work, told them before the game that any goals they got would come from our left hand side.0
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Of course NJ is going to publically defend TC to the absolute hilt, no way any manager would do any different for a young player. However if you watched NJ’s reaction when TC miscontrolled the ball in our own half in the final minutes on tuesday when we were dominating you’d know he was NOT happy at TC. Went absolutely berserk at him.0
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He was frustrating last season in L1 - hasn't changed but a much harder league to learn in. He is one footed, no end product and a one trick pony. Just wants to come inside on his right foot.AndyG said:He is so frustrating this season. On Tuesday he actually ran forward driving the defenders back and caused panic. But 99/100 when he gets the ball he goes forward a few yards, stops, passes back and that’s it. He needs to go forward lots more
Bags of natural talent and potential, but can he be coached to Champ level???? Agree he needs to work this out in L1 for a bit longer....hopefully if we stay up we can loan him out next year?
Believe me I would love to be wrong and will be the first to admit it if I am.0 -
Right place right time today and good composure to chest it down and finish into the floor. His body language suggested he was low in confidence, hopefully the goal helps with that5
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Really happy for him. Hope that sparks a run now against some less capable opponents.15
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Spoiler: it won’t.Callumcafc said:Really happy for him. Hope that sparks a run now against some less capable opponents.You’ll always get a couple gimmes with that much game time.Need to see a proper finish at some point.7 -
Read NJ's comments about TC to understand how important he is to the team. And then reflect that you really know very little about football and get off TC's backCAFC_boi said:
Spoiler: it won’t.Callumcafc said:Really happy for him. Hope that sparks a run now against some less capable opponents.You’ll always get a couple gimmes with that much game time.Need to see a proper finish at some point.18 -
Ridiculous comment. It WAS a proper finish. Controlled the ball, back to goal, chested down, swivelled and shot through a gap in the defenders. All in a couple of seconds.CAFC_boi said:
Spoiler: it won’t.Callumcafc said:Really happy for him. Hope that sparks a run now against some less capable opponents.You’ll always get a couple gimmes with that much game time.Need to see a proper finish at some point.
You call that a gimme? Sounds like you have never played, or you didn't even see it.19 -
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Hopefully we'll see a bit of confidence in TC again now... Regardless of how he finished, he won't care, the players wont care either.
The important thing is how everyone helps the team to survive, and that goal today could be an crucial point come the end of the season.
Notice he scored seven League goals last season, with the first not coming until December last year, so maybe he simply has a thing against Aug, Sept, Oct and Nov?2 -
Could the thread title be changed to something a bit less negative?5
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Like 'If I am on TCs back all the time will that make him better?' or 'TC seems to be our only attacking outlet even when playing in defence, why does the manager keep picking him, is Jones mad?'stoneroses19 said:Could the thread title be changed to something a bit less negative?7 -
Who was our top scorer last season when you take out the gimmes?CAFC_boi said:
Spoiler: it won’t.Callumcafc said:Really happy for him. Hope that sparks a run now against some less capable opponents.You’ll always get a couple gimmes with that much game time.Need to see a proper finish at some point.
Godden getting all those tap ins, what’s that all about? We need a proper striker who scores proper finishes.6 -
Indeed. And some wonder why a painfully shy young man prefers to celebrate his goal with his team mates rather than the away end?Alwaysneil said:
Like 'If I am on TCs back all the time will that make him better?' or 'TC seems to be our only attacking outlet even when playing in defence, why does the manager keep picking him, is Jones mad?'stoneroses19 said:Could the thread title be changed to something a bit less negative?But no worries, they can start on Leaburn next.To be clear, I have no issue with constructive criticism of players, formations, the manager. But I can’t stand it when some of our fans go into witch hunt mode and then act all hurt and hard done by when the victim prefers not to come back for more abuse.Here’s a photo of TC acknowledging fans at the end just to show he’s not actually shunning anyone.
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He’s scored one goal into a goal with no keeper in sight and suddenly he’s the best thing since sliced bread again? Both extremes are laughable tbh.4
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Your just pissed off that he scored so you have had to delete your pre written post about 20 games with no goals you kept harping on about.CAFC_boi said:He’s scored one goal into a goal with no keeper in sight and suddenly he’s the best thing since sliced bread again? Both extremes are laughable tbh.13 -
Athletico Charlton said:
Your just pissed off that he scored so you have had to delete your pre written post about 20 games with no goals you kept harping on aboutCAFC_boi said:He’s scored one goal into a goal with no keeper in sight and suddenly he’s the best thing since sliced bread again? Both extremes are laughable tbh.
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I definitely feel with Campbell there’s a noticeable difference between those that go games and those that view via streams4
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Don’t end up in a place where you actually want one of our players not to do well because you want to win an argument on the internet.CAFC_boi said:He’s scored one goal into a goal with no keeper in sight and suddenly he’s the best thing since sliced bread again? Both extremes are laughable tbh.8
