New Head Of Performance - Will Abbott, leaving in September (p3)

MarcusH26 said:

valleynick66 said:

PragueAddick said:

valleynick66 said:

Or more simply he got a better financial offer to go elsewhere?

We are not I assume big payers or the great attraction we think we sometimes are. 

Even backroom staff lose out if the first team get relegated so they always need to prioritise their own financial well being. 

His LinkedIn profile screams of someone who left his role at a time and in a
manner he did not expect. Based on 26 years of experience I would be 90% confident I am right on that part; then when looking at his new role and the fact that he has set up his own consultancy  and has a contractor relationship with  the new company, I am 70% sure that this new situation is not his ideal choice.

i agree with @cantersaddick about the nature of any dispute but on that aspect I am just a punter like most of us here.

In what way do you see that?

An enhanced financial offer can arrive at any time and didn’t someone suggest Andy Scott is involved somewhere who would have been an influence / know what it might take to tempt him away?

Pure speculation. 

Andy Scott works for the same Multi club network yes. 

Yes - thanks for confirming. 

BalladMan said:

PragueAddick said:

valleynick66 said:

Or more simply he got a better financial offer to go elsewhere?

We are not I assume big payers or the great attraction we think we sometimes are. 

Even backroom staff lose out if the first team get relegated so they always need to prioritise their own financial well being. 

His LinkedIn profile screams of someone who left his role at a time and in a
manner he did not expect. Based on 26 years of experience I would be 90% confident I am right on that part; then when looking at his new role and the fact that he has set up his own consultancy  and has a contractor relationship with  the new company, I am 70% sure that this new situation is not his ideal choice.

i agree with @cantersaddick about the nature of any dispute but on that aspect I am just a punter like most of us here.

Agree with the above surmise of the situation.  Very rarely do people go from perm roles direct to contract roles, especially in the middle of a football season (or a term if a teacher, or any other cyclical job) unless it was not planned and they need a job. 

He hit Andy Scott up for a role in order to keep a roof over his head and joined the muli-cloob system.  It is not the type of job you resign and move for (moving up the football pyramid would make sense).

Now, on to the next conspriacy theory..    Proving Lyndon Dykes is a bagsman.....

Do all medical team  appointments occur in the close season ordinarily?

I hadn’t considered before if that is a theme or not. 

bobmunro said:

valleynick66 said:

BalladMan said:

PragueAddick said:

valleynick66 said:

Or more simply he got a better financial offer to go elsewhere?

We are not I assume big payers or the great attraction we think we sometimes are. 

Even backroom staff lose out if the first team get relegated so they always need to prioritise their own financial well being. 

His LinkedIn profile screams of someone who left his role at a time and in a
manner he did not expect. Based on 26 years of experience I would be 90% confident I am right on that part; then when looking at his new role and the fact that he has set up his own consultancy  and has a contractor relationship with  the new company, I am 70% sure that this new situation is not his ideal choice.

i agree with @cantersaddick about the nature of any dispute but on that aspect I am just a punter like most of us here.

Agree with the above surmise of the situation.  Very rarely do people go from perm roles direct to contract roles, especially in the middle of a football season (or a term if a teacher, or any other cyclical job) unless it was not planned and they need a job. 

He hit Andy Scott up for a role in order to keep a roof over his head and joined the muli-cloob system.  It is not the type of job you resign and move for (moving up the football pyramid would make sense).

Now, on to the next conspriacy theory..    Proving Lyndon Dykes is a bagsman.....

Do all medical team  appointments occur in the close season ordinarily?

I hadn’t considered before if that is a theme or not. 

If my google serves me well we appointed him in a November and awaited his notice period. 

In my direct experience - no. Medics, physios and so on can commence or cease employment at any time of the year. They are on pretty much standard employment contracts.

Hence I’m not immediately seeing what others are in that his “linked in profile screams that he left in a manner he did not expect”. 

bobmunro said:

valleynick66 said:

bobmunro said:

valleynick66 said:

BalladMan said:

PragueAddick said:

valleynick66 said:

Or more simply he got a better financial offer to go elsewhere?

We are not I assume big payers or the great attraction we think we sometimes are. 

Even backroom staff lose out if the first team get relegated so they always need to prioritise their own financial well being. 

His LinkedIn profile screams of someone who left his role at a time and in a
manner he did not expect. Based on 26 years of experience I would be 90% confident I am right on that part; then when looking at his new role and the fact that he has set up his own consultancy  and has a contractor relationship with  the new company, I am 70% sure that this new situation is not his ideal choice.

i agree with @cantersaddick about the nature of any dispute but on that aspect I am just a punter like most of us here.

Agree with the above surmise of the situation.  Very rarely do people go from perm roles direct to contract roles, especially in the middle of a football season (or a term if a teacher, or any other cyclical job) unless it was not planned and they need a job. 

He hit Andy Scott up for a role in order to keep a roof over his head and joined the muli-cloob system.  It is not the type of job you resign and move for (moving up the football pyramid would make sense).

Now, on to the next conspriacy theory..    Proving Lyndon Dykes is a bagsman.....

Do all medical team  appointments occur in the close season ordinarily?

I hadn’t considered before if that is a theme or not. 

If my google serves me well we appointed him in a November and awaited his notice period. 

In my direct experience - no. Medics, physios and so on can commence or cease employment at any time of the year. They are on pretty much standard employment contracts.

Hence I’m not immediately seeing what others are in that his “linked in profile screams that he left in a manner he did not expect”. 

Me neither. My bolding:

"This month marks my final at Charlton Athletic Football Club, and it’s a bittersweet feeling to be departing for an exciting new challenge".

That doesn't scream that he left in a manner that he didn't expect. 

He didn't just come across Global Football Holdings by chance - he was very likely solicited by Andy Scott not long after he joined them in May last year, and Abbott's departure from Charlton would appear to me to have been his conscious and planned decision.

Many like a conspiracy though!

That's not what I am basing my conclusions on. Heaven forbid. That's just LinkedIn slop which sadly virtually everyone on there nowadays feels the need to contribute. The phrase "I'm happy to share that..." has me reaching for the anti-hystamines.

I am considering his actual LinkedIn  "CV" : 
and I note the following:

1. In December he set up his own consultancy. He has become self-employed. Previously he was an employee, and based on your own previous post, Bob, we may assume that he enjoyed the usual benefits of senior level employment protection, possibly pension contributions, etc. As we know, when you go self-employed you lose all that; although you may have tax advantages, if you earn as much as you did when employed, anyway.

2. Also in December he joins Global Football Holdings. There is the crucial word there: Contract. For some reason in order to work with this company he has needed to set up as self-employed. It means that the company does not need to pay employer social charges nor give him any notice beyond the time period of the contract. 

It is possible that because GFH is an "international" company, probably "based" in a tax haven, that the net earnings he has been offered, together with possible tax advantages, make it worthwhile to foresake the security of tenure he enjoyed as an employee in his previous roles. 

Unfortunately, titles carry weight, and I also note that he is now a "Head" of Performance Services rather than a "Director". 

These are the points that suggest to me he did not plan this as a career move. It follows a pattern that I have seen many times on the cvs of senior marketing people. People who were often very good, but for whatever reason, had been the victim of a problem. It might have been a new boss who did not like the cut of their jib; or e.g a sudden decision by a global HQ to cut back a presence in a given market. 

I would also say though that he hasn't sugar-coated it, as many do.  That suggests to me a person of integrity. Maybe it really is something like the old fixed contract expat packages in the Middle East, just too good to turn down. Maybe. But Global Football Holdings isn't Shell.

bobmunro said:

PragueAddick said:

bobmunro said:

valleynick66 said:

bobmunro said:

valleynick66 said:

BalladMan said:

PragueAddick said:

valleynick66 said:

Or more simply he got a better financial offer to go elsewhere?

We are not I assume big payers or the great attraction we think we sometimes are. 

Even backroom staff lose out if the first team get relegated so they always need to prioritise their own financial well being. 

His LinkedIn profile screams of someone who left his role at a time and in a
manner he did not expect. Based on 26 years of experience I would be 90% confident I am right on that part; then when looking at his new role and the fact that he has set up his own consultancy  and has a contractor relationship with  the new company, I am 70% sure that this new situation is not his ideal choice.

i agree with @cantersaddick about the nature of any dispute but on that aspect I am just a punter like most of us here.

Agree with the above surmise of the situation.  Very rarely do people go from perm roles direct to contract roles, especially in the middle of a football season (or a term if a teacher, or any other cyclical job) unless it was not planned and they need a job. 

He hit Andy Scott up for a role in order to keep a roof over his head and joined the muli-cloob system.  It is not the type of job you resign and move for (moving up the football pyramid would make sense).

Now, on to the next conspriacy theory..    Proving Lyndon Dykes is a bagsman.....

Do all medical team  appointments occur in the close season ordinarily?

I hadn’t considered before if that is a theme or not. 

If my google serves me well we appointed him in a November and awaited his notice period. 

In my direct experience - no. Medics, physios and so on can commence or cease employment at any time of the year. They are on pretty much standard employment contracts.

Hence I’m not immediately seeing what others are in that his “linked in profile screams that he left in a manner he did not expect”. 

Me neither. My bolding:

"This month marks my final at Charlton Athletic Football Club, and it’s a bittersweet feeling to be departing for an exciting new challenge".

That doesn't scream that he left in a manner that he didn't expect. 

He didn't just come across Global Football Holdings by chance - he was very likely solicited by Andy Scott not long after he joined them in May last year, and Abbott's departure from Charlton would appear to me to have been his conscious and planned decision.

Many like a conspiracy though!

That's not what I am basing my conclusions on. Heaven forbid. That's just LinkedIn slop which sadly virtually everyone on there nowadays feels the need to contribute. The phrase "I'm happy to share that..." has me reaching for the anti-hystamines.

I am considering his actual LinkedIn  "CV" : 
and I note the following:

1. In December he set up his own consultancy. He has become self-employed. Previously he was an employee, and based on your own previous post, Bob, we may assume that he enjoyed the usual benefits of senior level employment protection, possibly pension contributions, etc. As we know, when you go self-employed you lose all that; although you may have tax advantages, if you earn as much as you did when employed, anyway.

2. Also in December he joins Global Football Holdings. There is the crucial word there: Contract. For some reason in order to work with this company he has needed to set up as self-employed. It means that the company does not need to pay employer social charges nor give him any notice beyond the time period of the contract. 

It is possible that because GFH is an "international" company, probably "based" in a tax haven, that the net earnings he has been offered, together with possible tax advantages, make it worthwhile to foresake the security of tenure he enjoyed as an employee in his previous roles. 

Unfortunately, titles carry weight, and I also note that he is now a "Head" of Performance Services rather than a "Director". 

These are the points that suggest to me he did not plan this as a career move. It follows a pattern that I have seen many times on the cvs of senior marketing people. People who were often very good, but for whatever reason, had been the victim of a problem. It might have been a new boss who did not like the cut of their jib; or e.g a sudden decision by a global HQ to cut back a presence in a given market. 

I would also say though that he hasn't sugar-coated it, as many do.  That suggests to me a person of integrity. Maybe it really is something like the old fixed contract expat packages in the Middle East, just too good to turn down. Maybe. But Global Football Holdings isn't Shell.

We have no idea what he earned at Charlton or indeed what the value of his contract is a GFH. There is no such thing as job security, least not in professional football.

GFH are US based and it's possible they would wish to engage UK based personnel on a Contract for Services - not unusual, and if so that CfS may well be going through his own consultancy (again not unusual as @valleynick66 asserts).

GFH are owned by David Blitzer, well known of course in the UK for his role at the Nigels, and his long standing business relationship with Josh Harris. Blitzer is a big hitter, not some fly by night.

None of us knows anything so I would certainly not conclude with any degree of confidence that Will Abbott was pushed rather than jumped from us, or that his leaving came as a surprise to him. That is pure conjecture.

Of course it is pure conjecture like most other opinions on here about anything. Your scenarios are equally plausible and yes, I assumed his CIS does go through his company.  I forgot who runs GFH, certainly, but it remains a young company which is part of the current mania among US biz people to get into sport. Some say its a bubble, with resulting cautionary indicators for employees, especially those without standard employment contracts.