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Karim_myBagheri
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Been a smoker for nearly 20 years. Health and costs mean I really need to actually do something about this dreadful habit. I really can't see myself giving up completely as not really ready for that just yet. So going down what so many others have done and that's the vape route. Has that worked for others on here?
Is there any recommendations of vapes? want something that has nicotine and kinda taste like tobacco I guess so not too much change. Plus something that lasts a while. Don't really want to keep getting disposable ones.
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I'd try and go down another route if I were you, mate. I know a lot of people (myself included) who switched from cigarettes to vaping and it's arguably worse. At least a cigarette is somewhat natural, albeit very harmful. Vapes are unregulated, often filled with chemicals coming straight out of a Chinese factory. Worst of all you never put them down, vaping constantly and furthering the addiction.
I'd have a look at nicotine pens, or even better, get on the patches. I've switched to Snus myself, which my lungs are very grateful for, but this too is rife with health risks.3 -
Vapes will be banned eventually IMO, just as bad, if not worse, in the long term6
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It's odd that the NHS is still promoting the use of vapes to quit smoking.
What exactly is difference between a nicotine pen and a vape?0 -
Is this for real? 🤣ElliotCAFC said:I'd try and go down another route if I were you, mate. I know a lot of people (myself included) who switched from cigarettes to vaping and it's arguably worse. At least a cigarette is somewhat natural, albeit very harmful. Vapes are unregulated, often filled with chemicals coming straight out of a Chinese factory. Worst of all you never put them down, vaping constantly and furthering the addiction.
I'd have a look at nicotine pens, or even better, get on the patches. I've switched to Snus myself, which my lungs are very grateful for, but this too is rife with health risks.4 -
I can't see any logic that vapes are worse than combusting materials which would therefore be carcinogenic. BUT I would argue that vapes are potentially more addictive due to the ease at which you can use them.2
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Easier than sparking up a fag?shine166 said:I can't see any logic that vapes are worse than combusting materials which would therefore be carcinogenic. BUT I would argue that vapes are potentially more addictive due to the ease at which you can use them.
Am I in the fucking Twilight Zone here?3 -
Yes, easier than sparking up a fag. You can vape literally anywhere you desire. I used to have a vape under my pillow and use it if i woke up in the night, wouldn't dream of popping out to the garden at 3am though for a cigarette.Leroy Ambrose said:
Easier than sparking up a fag?shine166 said:I can't see any logic that vapes are worse than combusting materials which would therefore be carcinogenic. BUT I would argue that vapes are potentially more addictive due to the ease at which you can use them.
Am I in the fucking Twilight Zone here?
Carl cashman, aged 42, resident of the twilight zone: 6 weeks off of a vape, 6 years off of cigarettes, 16 days free of a 28 year, daily cannabis usage.13 -
Vapes still contain carcinogenic substances, just not as much as a cigarette. They also contain other toxic chemicals that still fuck you up internally, and there's not currently enough data out there to tell you exactly how they affect you.
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Worse because people use them more. For example at my work people vape in the office, there's no chance they'd get away with smoking a cigarette.shine166 said:I can't see any logic that vapes are worse than combusting materials which would therefore be carcinogenic. BUT I would argue that vapes are potentially more addictive due to the ease at which you can use them.3 -
Is it best that I just carry on smoking...0
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Stopped smoking about 7 years ago, went to vapes, had the same idea of wanting to vape something that tasted like a cig, they were all filth so ended up on all the sweet flavours but ended up finding 1 or 2 flavours that didnt make me feel sick and vaping them all the time. Ended up never being able to put the bloody thing down, puffing on in it all the time, vaping in doors when I would never smoke in doors, vaping at work in the loos, vaping whilst I shit, even woke up in the night I would have a puff. I was 10 times more hooked then cigs. However I didn't feel as shit as I did when I smoked and didnt smell as bad.
One other plus point when I did decide to finally pack up vaping 2 years ago this month it was a lot easier then giving up fags cold turkey which I was never able to acheive.
Would recommend it but do your best to only vape it when you absolutey need it.6 -
Not sure what's funny about that, I said arguably?Leroy Ambrose said:
Is this for real? 🤣ElliotCAFC said:I'd try and go down another route if I were you, mate. I know a lot of people (myself included) who switched from cigarettes to vaping and it's arguably worse. At least a cigarette is somewhat natural, albeit very harmful. Vapes are unregulated, often filled with chemicals coming straight out of a Chinese factory. Worst of all you never put them down, vaping constantly and furthering the addiction.
I'd have a look at nicotine pens, or even better, get on the patches. I've switched to Snus myself, which my lungs are very grateful for, but this too is rife with health risks.
People have been smoking tobacco leaves for 10,000+ years, we know all about them. Vapes are relatively unknown and untested.1 -
Absolutely this. You can go from a 5 fags a day to vaping non stop.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Worse because people use them more. For example at my work people vape in the office, there's no chance they'd get away with smoking a cigarette.shine166 said:I can't see any logic that vapes are worse than combusting materials which would therefore be carcinogenic. BUT I would argue that vapes are potentially more addictive due to the ease at which you can use them.1 -
I reckon Vapes are this generation’s asbestos
find an alternative if you can
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I'm not sure you're aware of this - but cigarettes are proven to cause cancer. Vapes... aren't.ElliotCAFC said:
Not sure what's funny about that, I said arguably?Leroy Ambrose said:
Is this for real? 🤣ElliotCAFC said:I'd try and go down another route if I were you, mate. I know a lot of people (myself included) who switched from cigarettes to vaping and it's arguably worse. At least a cigarette is somewhat natural, albeit very harmful. Vapes are unregulated, often filled with chemicals coming straight out of a Chinese factory. Worst of all you never put them down, vaping constantly and furthering the addiction.
I'd have a look at nicotine pens, or even better, get on the patches. I've switched to Snus myself, which my lungs are very grateful for, but this too is rife with health risks.
People have been smoking tobacco leaves for 10,000+ years, we know all about them. Vapes are relatively unknown and untested.
Here's a couple of handy screenshots for you
I searched 'how many people die from cancer related to cigarettes each year'
I searched 'how many people die from cancer related to vapes each year'
There aren't any - but I did find this interesting titbit:
Whilst there clearly isn't a negligible risk here - you're talking about someone who is addicted to cigarettes, which are 50% likely to kill him in the long run. Explain to me how vaping is likely to be worse for him in the long run?
Jesus Christ we're living in an age where almost all of the world's knowledge is at your fingertips in an instant. How is it possible we're still churning out ignorance like this?
Good luck on your journey Karim. God speed. I think I can say with some level of confidence that vapes are not as dangerous as fags.3 -
Just say no!
I gave up smoking 23 years ago (after serveral attempts) and the best thing that I achieved.2 -
Hardly any significant data on how bad Vapes are for your lungs compared to tobacco. I can’t see any argument for sucking in what are unequivocally poisons into your lungs voluntarily. Urge anyone to seriously consider not doing either.3
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Pretty much everything we consume has some level of carcinogens in it. Processed meat (bacon, sausages etc) is classed as a group 1 carcinogen, the same group as tobacco, for example. As has been pointed out by previous posts, the high level of carcinogens found in smoking comes from the combustion process, which doesn't take place in vapes.sam3110 said:Vapes still contain carcinogenic substances, just not as much as a cigarette. They also contain other toxic chemicals that still fuck you up internally, and there's not currently enough data out there to tell you exactly how they affect you.
Regarding "toxic chemicals", it completely depends how you source your vaping liquid. If you're buying from unregulated markets, then yeah it potentially has all kinds of crap in it. UK/EU made liquid is much more tightly controlled than other markets under the TRPR. As someone who used vapes to quit smoking, this always concerned me most, hence why making my own liquid was the route I took, so I knew exactly what was in mine.
Lets be clear, vaping isn't good for you and carries health risks, so I wouldn't advise anyone to start vaping unless using it to quit cigarettes - it has better long term success rates than patches, gum, sprays etc., and is much better for you than smoking.2 -
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Surely these have the potential to be the health scandle of the next decade when presumably more health data exists.Anything that actively invents child like flavours to tempt users is completely amoral.From a distance it just seems to be users try to create ridiculous clouds of smoke. What a great look. 😉🤔🙁I am a committed non smoker - my views are biased.4
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Putting to one side the scientific evidence - which as far as I am aware is pretty clear that vaping is less harmful, albeit without the longitudinal studies for vaping...
I went from smoking to vaping about ten years ago. Using e liquids from a reputable supplier and a tank and coil, eventually making my own - so not the cheap disposable stuff. I chose a flavour that I liked and was somewhat like tobacco, but sweeter - banana nut.
A few observations
1. it got me off cigarettes, relatively easily
2. my lungs etc felt much better for it
3. there is no question I was vaping much more regularly than I previously smoked, particularly working at home.
4. sometimes after intense periods I could feel I had vaped - sore chest and throat
5 I'd often find people saying things like, 'what is that lovely smell in this place - it smells like cake' - I realised after a while this was not a co-incidence!
6. a couple of years ago I decided I wanted to get off vaping and gradually reduced the nicotine strength down to zero
7. about a year ago I stopped completely, and haven't gone back - (my vape device was actually stolen and I just used that as the moment to stop and realised I didn't need it.)
I sometimes miss it, and I have put on some weight which I think is linked, but my experience is vaping is definitely a route away from cigarettes.7 -
Nicholas said:Stopped smoking about 7 years ago, went to vapes, had the same idea of wanting to vape something that tasted like a cig, they were all filth so ended up on all the sweet flavours but ended up finding 1 or 2 flavours that didnt make me feel sick and vaping them all the time. Ended up never being able to put the bloody thing down, puffing on in it all the time, vaping in doors when I would never smoke in doors, vaping at work in the loos, vaping whilst I shit, even woke up in the night I would have a puff. I was 10 times more hooked then cigs. However I didn't feel as shit as I did when I smoked and didnt smell as bad.
One other plus point when I did decide to finally pack up vaping 2 years ago this month it was a lot easier then giving up fags cold turkey which I was never able to acheive.
Would recommend it but do your best to only vape it when you absolutey need it.
Same thing for me. Was really happy to give up smoking but was constantly vaping. Switched to nicotine pills a year or so ago. Still addicted to nicotine but much less anti-social, cheaper and not harmful at all.1 -
I don't think so. There are a max of four ingredients in any liquid and they've all been around proplene glycol, vegetable gylcerine, flavouring and nicotine. They've all been used for years in lots of different products (medicines, food, cosmetics) and have been tested extensively.valleynick66 said:Surely these have the potential to be the health scandle of the next decade when presumably more health data exists.0 -
But not smoked / taken into your lungs.Jints said:
I don't think so. There are a max of four ingredients in any liquid and they've all been around proplene glycol, vegetable gylcerine, flavouring and nicotine. They've all been used for years in lots of different products (medicines, food, cosmetics) and have been tested extensively.valleynick66 said:Surely these have the potential to be the health scandle of the next decade when presumably more health data exists.As I say potential.1 -
The flavourings are the problem here. An excerpt from the study I linked above.Jints said:
I don't think so. There are a max of four ingredients in any liquid and they've all been around proplene glycol, vegetable gylcerine, flavouring and nicotine. They've all been used for years in lots of different products (medicines, food, cosmetics) and have been tested extensively.valleynick66 said:Surely these have the potential to be the health scandle of the next decade when presumably more health data exists.recent study detected more than 500 chemicals in tested vaping cartridges, and most were categorized as carcinogens [24]. Basically, E-Liquid is composed of four main ingredients: nicotine, water, flavorings and humectants, propylene glycol (PG) and vegetable glycerin (VG) [25]. An ECs contains nicotine derivatives (e.g., nitrosnornicotine, nitrosamine ketone), heavy metals, and flavorings (aldehydes and complex organics) [24]. Other proved toxins such as formaldehyde, acrolein, acetaldehyde, metallic nanoparticles, benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene, and xylene [24,26,27]. The oncogenicity of EVPs has been attributed to several distinct molecular pathways. The direct chemical reactions or carcinogenic products generated by combustion and pyrolysis could induce oxidative stress, epithelial-mesenchymal transition, and mitochondrial DNA genotoxicity [23].
I’m sorry but thinking vaping is better than smoking is I think living in a fools paradise3 -
Leroy Ambrose said:
I'm not sure you're aware of this - but cigarettes are proven to cause cancer. Vapes... aren't.ElliotCAFC said:
Not sure what's funny about that, I said arguably?Leroy Ambrose said:
Is this for real? 🤣ElliotCAFC said:I'd try and go down another route if I were you, mate. I know a lot of people (myself included) who switched from cigarettes to vaping and it's arguably worse. At least a cigarette is somewhat natural, albeit very harmful. Vapes are unregulated, often filled with chemicals coming straight out of a Chinese factory. Worst of all you never put them down, vaping constantly and furthering the addiction.
I'd have a look at nicotine pens, or even better, get on the patches. I've switched to Snus myself, which my lungs are very grateful for, but this too is rife with health risks.
People have been smoking tobacco leaves for 10,000+ years, we know all about them. Vapes are relatively unknown and untested.
Here's a couple of handy screenshots for you
I searched 'how many people die from cancer related to cigarettes each year'
I searched 'how many people die from cancer related to vapes each year'
There aren't any - but I did find this interesting titbit:
Whilst there clearly isn't a negligible risk here - you're talking about someone who is addicted to cigarettes, which are 50% likely to kill him in the long run. Explain to me how vaping is likely to be worse for him in the long run?
Jesus Christ we're living in an age where almost all of the world's knowledge is at your fingertips in an instant. How is it possible we're still churning out ignorance like this?
Good luck on your journey Karim. God speed. I think I can say with some level of confidence that vapes are not as dangerous as fags.Mate, there’s really no need to be so combative. I never stated vaping will likely be worse long term - I said it’s arguably worse, which is an important distinction and depends on if the goal is to eventually quit.This isn’t just about cancer. One issue is how easy it is to vape constantly - indoors, in bed, at work, while you shit. That level of nonstop use doesn’t happen with cigarettes, and even if you avoid lung cancer, you can still end up with plenty of other respiratory issues.There’s no long-term data on vaping, and anecdotally, most people I know who switched became much more addicted to nicotine.Gun to my head: is vaping better than cigarettes? Yes. Would I recommend vaping to quit smoking? No - you're just replacing one addiction for another. I'd recommend nicotine patches or a nicorette inhalator2 -
My husband was diagnosed with lung cancer in September, having been a smoker since he was 16.Karim_myBagheri said:Been a smoker for nearly 20 years. Health and costs mean I really need to actually do something about this dreadful habit. I really can't see myself giving up completely as not really ready for that just yet. So going down what so many others have done and that's the vape route. Has that worked for others on here?
Is there any recommendations of vapes? want something that has nicotine and kinda taste like tobacco I guess so not too much change. Plus something that lasts a while. Don't really want to keep getting disposable ones.
He obviously needed to stop if he has any chance of beating it and used the NHS Smokefree service. He had a telephone consultation every week for about 6 - 8 weeks and was initially prescribed Nicorette patches with decreasing strength and vapes from a company called Totally Wicked. They are free of charge initially. He no longer needs the patches and is vaping a lot less now. The hope is that very soon he will not feel the need to vape.
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I have no view on cigarettes vs vaping, but I've cut and pasted this put down for future use! :-)Jesus Christ we're living in an age where almost all of the world's knowledge is at your fingertips in an instant. How is it possible we're still churning out ignorance like this?2 -
ShootersHillGuru said:
The flavourings are the problem here. An excerpt from the study I linked above.Jints said:
I don't think so. There are a max of four ingredients in any liquid and they've all been around proplene glycol, vegetable gylcerine, flavouring and nicotine. They've all been used for years in lots of different products (medicines, food, cosmetics) and have been tested extensively.valleynick66 said:Surely these have the potential to be the health scandle of the next decade when presumably more health data exists.recent study detected more than 500 chemicals in tested vaping cartridges, and most were categorized as carcinogens [24]. Basically, E-Liquid is composed of four main ingredients: nicotine, water, flavorings and humectants, propylene glycol (PG) and vegetable glycerin (VG) [25]. An ECs contains nicotine derivatives (e.g., nitrosnornicotine, nitrosamine ketone), heavy metals, and flavorings (aldehydes and complex organics) [24]. Other proved toxins such as formaldehyde, acrolein, acetaldehyde, metallic nanoparticles, benzene, toluene, ethylbenzene, and xylene [24,26,27]. The oncogenicity of EVPs has been attributed to several distinct molecular pathways. The direct chemical reactions or carcinogenic products generated by combustion and pyrolysis could induce oxidative stress, epithelial-mesenchymal transition, and mitochondrial DNA genotoxicity [23].
I’m sorry but thinking vaping is better than smoking is I think living in a fools paradiseAu contraire, the situation is quite the opposite. I'd suggest reading the government's own extensive funded research into this here:It's a pretty tough read at c.1500 pages though, so maybe just stick to the exec summary.
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