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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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Unfortunately that era consisted of about 10/12-games in grand total... with any game from December onwards just as turgid because Taylor wasn't back to full fitness and we quickly lost Gallagher - The Gallagher and Taylor true era, was no different to the great start we had this season.shine166 said:
Who said brilliant ? I said better.ForeverAddickted said:Were we playing brilliant Football back in 2020? - We started off very well, but the injury crisis hit us then, and just remember us being unable to score, because we were relying on Davison, Vennings, Dempsey and Morgan for a lot of games
Anyone that thinks the CG/Lyle era wasnt better than viewing than this is delusional.4 -
He’s proven over the last 2 years that he can get results when he has the players he needs to play his way. We haven’t had the players to do it for months now. Why don’t we wait and see after the window, when he’s got the options he needs, to see if he can get the results he’s proven he can get?benjest1989 said:There is one thing playing a certain way to get results, but lumping the ball up to Leaburn and Dykes? I don't see what the plan is or how that will work, and it's not getting results. Why is the formation the same every week? Why aren't we trying something different - surprise our opponents - must be so easy to prepare to play us. The players look short of confidence and belief - managers job is to instil this.
Tactically he isn't getting it right atm
Substitutions haven't worked
Players seemingly have no belief
I don't know if sacking NJ is the right thing - but we have to try something different, and NJ seems reluctant to do that.I don’t get the calls to massively change the way we play, we know the way we play works when we have the right players. We just need to get back to the way we actually want to play that has worked over the last 2 years. Hopefully a new left wing back is the first step back towards that4 -
frankly at this point I don't care about the style and I knew we would be ugly this season - it's inevitable forever under Jones. That doesn't matter to me this season. I just want results and safety. My concern is those things and at the moment they're not occurring / looking likely4
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Exactly - bollocks to the style. The last thing I want us to do is try and outfootball other teams in this division. NJ rightly plays to our strengths - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt.
The plan has to be to stay up, then slowly stablise in this division. We have a manager with a reputation for long-term success so we shouldn't make any stupid decisions.
And sacking NJ would be the height of stupidity.14 -
2020 had a lot ball players, Cullen, Gallagher, Aribo, Bilek, all very good technical players, our midfield now doesn't have that, so of course, in 2020, we played more attractive football.4
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18/19 in L1 did, 19/20 in the Championship we didn’t have Aribo or Bielik, and we lost Gallagher in the January window.IR94 said:2020 had a lot ball players, Cullen, Gallagher, Aribo, Bilek, all very good technical players, our midfield now doesn't have that, so of course, in 2020, we played more attractive football.6 -
While I do get the point (and mostly agree), pretty much all of the players we lost to injury had poor injury records, it's not bad luck when you sign players who have a history of fitness issues then expect them to play Jonesball. We may not have the players we need but that is at least partially on Jones himself.NabySarr said:
He’s proven over the last 2 years that he can get results when he has the players he needs to play his way. We haven’t had the players to do it for months now. Why don’t we wait and see after the window, when he’s got the options he needs, to see if he can get the results he’s proven he can get?benjest1989 said:There is one thing playing a certain way to get results, but lumping the ball up to Leaburn and Dykes? I don't see what the plan is or how that will work, and it's not getting results. Why is the formation the same every week? Why aren't we trying something different - surprise our opponents - must be so easy to prepare to play us. The players look short of confidence and belief - managers job is to instil this.
Tactically he isn't getting it right atm
Substitutions haven't worked
Players seemingly have no belief
I don't know if sacking NJ is the right thing - but we have to try something different, and NJ seems reluctant to do that.I don’t get the calls to massively change the way we play, we know the way we play works when we have the right players. We just need to get back to the way we actually want to play that has worked over the last 2 years. Hopefully a new left wing back is the first step back towards that3 -
Blimey… what a career path to choose. Become a football manager, graft your way to some success, and when the results wobble, half the fanbase is sharpening their knives and suddenly everyone is debating whether to “get Jones out” . Everyone knew this was never going to be a smooth ride in the Championship, if it was easy, we’d be top already. We’re not in crisis mode, despite the noise. There are 19 games to go.
Genuine question: who exactly is out there that’s going to waltz in and do better? And please don’t say “anyone” that’s how we ended up with all the previous League One chancers and also rans. Surely the best thing is to "Keep calm" and remember football doesn’t get fixed by sacking someone every time it gets uncomfortable.
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It would be madness to get rid of Jones now.
The transfer window closes shortly and any new manager would have to make do with a squad not of his making.
Personally I'd like to give Jones a proper competitive budget to work with in the summer and see where we go from there.
If our owners are then not satisfied it's up to them to make a decision going forward.
But I believe there are several reasons why over the last 5 or 6 years we have obtained crap managers.
We were an established league one side with a succession of poor owners and unable to attract a decent manager.
My own opinion is that next season we will be far better than this season and Jones remains in place.
But if the time did come to replace him then as a championship club with proper owners I'm sure we could attract a decent replacement.7 -
Cullen was also injured for a long period of that season because we overloaded him.Scoham said:
18/19 in L1 did, 19/20 in the Championship we didn’t have Aribo or Bielik, and we lost Gallagher in the January window.IR94 said:2020 had a lot ball players, Cullen, Gallagher, Aribo, Bilek, all very good technical players, our midfield now doesn't have that, so of course, in 2020, we played more attractive football.Our midfield in the first game after Gallagher got recalled was Darren Pratley, Jonny Williams, Deji Oshilaja and Ben Dempsey.3 -
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This is a fair point. I don't think anyone was at all surprised (i certainly wasn't) to see Bell and Burke break down on more than one occasion, when they both spent the last couple of years at Luton doing exactly that.thenewbie said:
While I do get the point (and mostly agree), pretty much all of the players we lost to injury had poor injury records, it's not bad luck when you sign players who have a history of fitness issues then expect them to play Jonesball. We may not have the players we need but that is at least partially on Jones himself.NabySarr said:
He’s proven over the last 2 years that he can get results when he has the players he needs to play his way. We haven’t had the players to do it for months now. Why don’t we wait and see after the window, when he’s got the options he needs, to see if he can get the results he’s proven he can get?benjest1989 said:There is one thing playing a certain way to get results, but lumping the ball up to Leaburn and Dykes? I don't see what the plan is or how that will work, and it's not getting results. Why is the formation the same every week? Why aren't we trying something different - surprise our opponents - must be so easy to prepare to play us. The players look short of confidence and belief - managers job is to instil this.
Tactically he isn't getting it right atm
Substitutions haven't worked
Players seemingly have no belief
I don't know if sacking NJ is the right thing - but we have to try something different, and NJ seems reluctant to do that.I don’t get the calls to massively change the way we play, we know the way we play works when we have the right players. We just need to get back to the way we actually want to play that has worked over the last 2 years. Hopefully a new left wing back is the first step back towards that
Edwards is an unlucky one though, his injury record was pretty non-existent before signing for us.
Godden we can have no complaints about as we played him for months with an injury.0 -
I think Nathan Jones is naturally cautious, especially if he feels we’re playing against stronger opposition. So, his mindset is to keep it tight until about the 60th minute and then bring on fresh legs to hit the other team when they’re tiring. He more or less said that in his press conference after the Sheffield Utd. game I think it was. It worked for him for the 1st ten games or so and was why we were in a good league position at that time. But, the lustre/luck of that has now gone away and that’s why we’re struggling.And, it’s almost an obsession with him I feel and I think he has difficulty breaking out of that mindset. Look at the Chelsea game for example. This was a perfect game for us to be expansive on the field and go all out to put on a good show in front of a big crowd. Instead it was just an embarrassment really, especially in that 1st half when we didn’t seem to be even trying to get out of our own half. And, I think that’s a problem he has. Can he get out of that mindset? I’m not so sure he can. It’s great if it works. Look how happy we were in the 1st few weeks of the season. But look at us now. I think the opposition in the Championship are just too savvy to play like that against.So, where does that leave us? I’m not too sure really. I just hope he is adaptable enough to change his approach.4
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I think that’s the constant debate when you have a low budget side though. You can either sign players that are good enough but the bigger budget championship teams don’t want, because they are unreliable. Or you can buy players that might not be good enough but will at least be reliablethenewbie said:
While I do get the point (and mostly agree), pretty much all of the players we lost to injury had poor injury records, it's not bad luck when you sign players who have a history of fitness issues then expect them to play Jonesball. We may not have the players we need but that is at least partially on Jones himself.NabySarr said:
He’s proven over the last 2 years that he can get results when he has the players he needs to play his way. We haven’t had the players to do it for months now. Why don’t we wait and see after the window, when he’s got the options he needs, to see if he can get the results he’s proven he can get?benjest1989 said:There is one thing playing a certain way to get results, but lumping the ball up to Leaburn and Dykes? I don't see what the plan is or how that will work, and it's not getting results. Why is the formation the same every week? Why aren't we trying something different - surprise our opponents - must be so easy to prepare to play us. The players look short of confidence and belief - managers job is to instil this.
Tactically he isn't getting it right atm
Substitutions haven't worked
Players seemingly have no belief
I don't know if sacking NJ is the right thing - but we have to try something different, and NJ seems reluctant to do that.I don’t get the calls to massively change the way we play, we know the way we play works when we have the right players. We just need to get back to the way we actually want to play that has worked over the last 2 years. Hopefully a new left wing back is the first step back towards that
It’s basically do you want to sign an Amari’i Bell or a Macauley Gillesphey that is our debate when recruiting. If we want to sign a really good player they are going to probably have something like injuries that puts the rest of the championship off them.Personally I would blame our budget more than I’d blame Jones for the injury prone signings. I’m sure if we could afford them he’d buy good players that are also reliable3 -
Basically everyone except Oxford and Wednesday then.Rob said:I think Nathan Jones is naturally cautious, especially if he feels were playing against stronger opposition. So, his mindset is to keep it tight until about the 60th minute and then bring on fresh legs to hit the other team when they’re tiring. He more or less said that in his press conference after the Sheffield Utd. game I think it was. It worked for him for the 1st ten games or so and was why we were in a good league position at that time. But, the lustre/luck of that has now gone away and that’s why we’re struggling.And, it’s almost an obsession with him I feel and I think he has difficulty breaking out of that mindset. Look at the Chelsea game for example. This was a perfect game for us to be expansive on the field and go all out to put on a good show in front of a big crowd. Instead it was just an embarrassment really, especially in that 1st half when we didn’t seem to be even trying to get out of our own half. And, I think that’s a problem he has. Can he get out of that mindset? I’m not so sure he can. It’s great if it works. Look how happy we were in the 1st few weeks of the season. But look at us now. I think the opposition in the Championship are just too savvy to play like that against.So, where does that leave us? I’m not too sure really. I just hope he is adaptable enough to change his approach.0 -
22nd budget in the league
22nd favourites to go down
18th in the league so factually Jones is doing a good job?Football is crap, recruitment has been questionable but until he starts failing to meet what we’re expected to do he’s not doing a bad job. We have the worse technical squad in the league no manager would get this lot playing good football our best chance is direct physical football whether people want to admit it or not is on them.8 -
The trend is your friend ……Chris_from_Sidcup said:
2nd or 3rd favourites for relegation in pre-season. Sheff Weds were obviously a cert and then bookies couldn't really pick between us and Oxford.paulsturgess said:
We are not overachieving!Stu_of_Kunming said:
The mess that has us overachieving?iaitch said:
Jones has got us in this mess or does he only accept praise and doesn't like criticism?TootingRedArmy said:Yes, we’re on a poor run. But I don’t believe there’s a better manager than Nathan Jones to take us through to the end of the season. The man is gloriously bonkers. OTT, needy, emotionally wired straight into the mains. His Achilles heel? Not exactly a champion at taking criticism. But give me that over the other League One Managers we had, also-rans, chancers and blokes who look like they’ve accidentally wandered into the dugout ....Michael Appleton (nightmare) Hands up, would you really want any of them back?
Jones has been a breath of fresh air. Slightly unhinged, Passion pouring out of every pore, veins popping, eyes blazing, fist pumping, nail biting and you know what? I love it.
Confession time: I missed only my second home game last night because I was at a comedy show in Soho. Ironically, I missed what sounds like a very different kind of comedy at The Valley (not). Football is a mad, crazy game. Most Addicks are probably already bracing themselves for the worst at The Den. And yes, odds are our hoodoo against Millwall continues… But it doesn’t always work like that, does it? Stranger things have happened, we might be in for another beating but then again we could sneak a win or a draw, I’m still looking forward to going. Still very much backing the gaffer ! COYA's
Predicted to therefore finish 22nd or 23rd and you can add in the fact we have one of the lowest budgets in the division. Yes the football is currently far from enjoyable but we are currently 18th, so that is ahead of where many predicted us to be.
A lot of people got carried away by our good start and therefore think we're doing shit when overall we're on track. If we'd spent all season jumping around between 18th-23rd and had won on Tuesday and climbed up to 18th then i don't think anyone would be panicking.1 -
Results are poor as is the football. Hoping Jones can turn things around but looks increasingly unlikely.
We have been terrible to watch in recent games. We are a very limited team....2 -
On the positive side, we've got a bit of time and a small points cushion to help turn things around. I'm pleased with who has been brought in so far and even in this miserable run, we've had bright spots like Coventry at home and most of the first half v Blackburn.
I certainly wouldn't get rid of Jones, even if his decisions infuriate at times. I do feel with the new signings and hopefully more to come, we'll regain some form and stay out of the relegation zone. Certainly helps that Sheff Weds, Oxford, Blackburn and West Brom are pretty bad!8 -
Has to go4
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Do we improve under anyone else with how bad our recruitment has been?
I think we are going down. This is the worst attacking Charlton side I can ever remember.1 -
9 points from the last 42 available if we’re counting millwall….3
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It's too late to get someone in to save us, but I think he should go now.2
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Bye bye Jones, someone can get us attacking and creating more chances than this.4
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The players Jones recruitedLaddick01 said:Do we improve under anyone else with how bad our recruitment has been?
I think we are going down. This is the worst attacking Charlton side I can ever remember.0 -
This is the first period where I do think there needs to be big changes.
We've spent months playing a formation that doesn't suit the players that he picks to start every week. Losing before we've even stepped onto the pitch in half the games.3 -
Welcome to the Out! Club 2 of us here now! 👊 🤣WillmoreTheRed said:Bye bye Jones, someone can get us attacking and creating more chances than this.0 -
Who?WillmoreTheRed said:Bye bye Jones, someone can get us attacking and creating more chances than this.5 -
Exactly. with previous owners and management we could at least make the excuse that it wasn't players the manager wanted. He has full control so no excuses on that front.The Red Robin said:
The players Jones recruitedLaddick01 said:Do we improve under anyone else with how bad our recruitment has been?
I think we are going down. This is the worst attacking Charlton side I can ever remember.2 -
You know I'm just speechless.. Just speechless at these "sack the Manager" claims having lost to MillwallWould never have seen this coming in a million years6
