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  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,560
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Vaping v Smoking. Both are doing your lungs no favours but at this point without decades of data to interrogate it’s likely that vaping is the least harmful of the two. Likely not certain. If vaping gets you off fags then great but I’m really not convinced it’s as benign as some are hoping. Sucking poison into your lungs every few minutes doesn’t sound like a good idea to me.
    One of the issues with vapes I've seen is people inhaling every few seconds for hours on end. I doubt they'd smoke as much/often unless you are literally chain smoking for hours, which very few do
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 5,142
    ME14addick said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Vaping v Smoking. Both are doing your lungs no favours but at this point without decades of data to interrogate it’s likely that vaping is the least harmful of the two. Likely not certain. If vaping gets you off fags then great but I’m really not convinced it’s as benign as some are hoping. Sucking poison into your lungs every few minutes doesn’t sound like a good idea to me.
    They should have only been used as an aid to stop smoking. We now have millions more addicted to vapes, that wouldn't have taken up smoking.
    How can you possibly know that to be true?
    Because there is plenty of evidence, magnify what has happened in the UK across the world and you have millions now addicted to vapes, who would not have started smoking.

    https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2024/oct/one-million-people-who-never-regularly-smoked-now-vape-england
    You said they never would have smoked, not never have smoked, they are two very different statements.  We all could have said “I’ve never smoked” at some point 
    You're nit picking as usual, it's pretty obvious what I meant and this is what I said originally, quite easy to understand:

    They should have only been used as an aid to stop smoking. We now have millions more addicted to vapes, that wouldn't have taken up smoking.

     The proliferation of vape shops alone is a very good pointer to the fact that vaping has grown massively, at a time when smoking has declined.
    Money will not launder itself you know ! 😉😆🤔
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,560
    valleynick66 said:
    ME14addick said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Vaping v Smoking. Both are doing your lungs no favours but at this point without decades of data to interrogate it’s likely that vaping is the least harmful of the two. Likely not certain. If vaping gets you off fags then great but I’m really not convinced it’s as benign as some are hoping. Sucking poison into your lungs every few minutes doesn’t sound like a good idea to me.
    They should have only been used as an aid to stop smoking. We now have millions more addicted to vapes, that wouldn't have taken up smoking.
    How can you possibly know that to be true?
    Because there is plenty of evidence, magnify what has happened in the UK across the world and you have millions now addicted to vapes, who would not have started smoking.

    https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2024/oct/one-million-people-who-never-regularly-smoked-now-vape-england
    You said they never would have smoked, not never have smoked, they are two very different statements.  We all could have said “I’ve never smoked” at some point 
    You're nit picking as usual, it's pretty obvious what I meant and this is what I said originally, quite easy to understand:

    They should have only been used as an aid to stop smoking. We now have millions more addicted to vapes, that wouldn't have taken up smoking.

     The proliferation of vape shops alone is a very good pointer to the fact that vaping has grown massively, at a time when smoking has declined.
    Money will not launder itself you know ! 😉😆🤔
    It's both
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 17,627
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Vaping v Smoking. Both are doing your lungs no favours but at this point without decades of data to interrogate it’s likely that vaping is the least harmful of the two. Likely not certain. If vaping gets you off fags then great but I’m really not convinced it’s as benign as some are hoping. Sucking poison into your lungs every few minutes doesn’t sound like a good idea to me.
    They should have only been used as an aid to stop smoking. We now have millions more addicted to vapes, that wouldn't have taken up smoking.
    How can you possibly know that to be true?
    Because there is plenty of evidence, magnify what has happened in the UK across the world and you have millions now addicted to vapes, who would not have started smoking.

    https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2024/oct/one-million-people-who-never-regularly-smoked-now-vape-england
    You said they never would have smoked, not never have smoked, they are two very different statements.  We all could have said “I’ve never smoked” at some point 
    There are a whole generation of kids (often starting as young as 12) where vapimg is very common but most of them have never touched a cigarette. Whole sections of government policy are being designed with this group in mind. The impact assessment for the ban on disposable vapes had making it harder for this group to start vaping as a central argument. I'm not gonna out a number on it without checking because it's been a while since I looked at this. But it's huge. 

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65eb1dac62ff489bab87b371/disposable-vapes-impact-assessment.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjx8vvzrKKSAxX9YEEAHdQWLmsQFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0JV6_jlDLJzjjwuuIfMCwz


  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,194
    cantersaddick said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Vaping v Smoking. Both are doing your lungs no favours but at this point without decades of data to interrogate it’s likely that vaping is the least harmful of the two. Likely not certain. If vaping gets you off fags then great but I’m really not convinced it’s as benign as some are hoping. Sucking poison into your lungs every few minutes doesn’t sound like a good idea to me.
    They should have only been used as an aid to stop smoking. We now have millions more addicted to vapes, that wouldn't have taken up smoking.
    How can you possibly know that to be true?
    Because there is plenty of evidence, magnify what has happened in the UK across the world and you have millions now addicted to vapes, who would not have started smoking.

    https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2024/oct/one-million-people-who-never-regularly-smoked-now-vape-england
    You said they never would have smoked, not never have smoked, they are two very different statements.  We all could have said “I’ve never smoked” at some point 
    There are a whole generation of kids (often starting as young as 12) where vapimg is very common but most of them have never touched a cigarette. Whole sections of government policy are being designed with this group in mind. The impact assessment for the ban on disposable vapes had making it harder for this group to start vaping as a central argument. I'm not gonna out a number on it without checking because it's been a while since I looked at this. But it's huge. 

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65eb1dac62ff489bab87b371/disposable-vapes-impact-assessment.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjx8vvzrKKSAxX9YEEAHdQWLmsQFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0JV6_jlDLJzjjwuuIfMCwz


    Just like government policy was to previously stop teens smoking cigs, which is 100% the right thing to do。The original claim was those teens would never have gone on to smoke cigs without vapes, which we simply can’t know.
  • O-Randy-Hunt
    O-Randy-Hunt Posts: 11,008
    I think people forget kids used to spark up behind the bikeshed at school or on the bus on the way and on the way home from school.

    If vapes weren't available these days and it weren't £20 for a pack of cigarettes im sure kids would still be smoking a ciggy to look cool.
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 9,859
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    cantersaddick said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Vaping v Smoking. Both are doing your lungs no favours but at this point without decades of data to interrogate it’s likely that vaping is the least harmful of the two. Likely not certain. If vaping gets you off fags then great but I’m really not convinced it’s as benign as some are hoping. Sucking poison into your lungs every few minutes doesn’t sound like a good idea to me.
    They should have only been used as an aid to stop smoking. We now have millions more addicted to vapes, that wouldn't have taken up smoking.
    How can you possibly know that to be true?
    Because there is plenty of evidence, magnify what has happened in the UK across the world and you have millions now addicted to vapes, who would not have started smoking.

    https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2024/oct/one-million-people-who-never-regularly-smoked-now-vape-england
    You said they never would have smoked, not never have smoked, they are two very different statements.  We all could have said “I’ve never smoked” at some point 
    There are a whole generation of kids (often starting as young as 12) where vapimg is very common but most of them have never touched a cigarette. Whole sections of government policy are being designed with this group in mind. The impact assessment for the ban on disposable vapes had making it harder for this group to start vaping as a central argument. I'm not gonna out a number on it without checking because it's been a while since I looked at this. But it's huge. 

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65eb1dac62ff489bab87b371/disposable-vapes-impact-assessment.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjx8vvzrKKSAxX9YEEAHdQWLmsQFnoECB4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0JV6_jlDLJzjjwuuIfMCwz


    Just like government policy was to previously stop teens smoking cigs, which is 100% the right thing to do。The original claim was those teens would never have gone on to smoke cigs without vapes, which we simply can’t know.
    Smoking has been in decline for years, with far fewer young people starting to smoke. Vapes have been promoted as a safe and fun thing to use, with lots of flavours designed to draw them in. 
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,560
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    I think people forget kids used to spark up behind the bikeshed at school or on the bus on the way and on the way home from school.

    If vapes weren't available these days and it weren't £20 for a pack of cigarettes im sure kids would still be smoking a ciggy to look cool.
    vapes are way cheaper and fruit flavoured
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 13,101
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    I think people forget kids used to spark up behind the bikeshed at school or on the bus on the way and on the way home from school.

    If vapes weren't available these days and it weren't £20 for a pack of cigarettes im sure kids would still be smoking a ciggy to look cool.
    But isn't that the point, that there would be less kids smoking than there are vaping.
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 9,859
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    I think people forget kids used to spark up behind the bikeshed at school or on the bus on the way and on the way home from school.

    If vapes weren't available these days and it weren't £20 for a pack of cigarettes im sure kids would still be smoking a ciggy to look cool.
    Cigarettes are very expensive and smoking is not seen as cool like it used to be, so even if there were no vapes, fewer kids would take up smoking than they did years ago. The health warnings are so much greater now and it's harder to smoke when out, also make it less likely that kids will start smoking. 

    There should have been a lot more regulation around vapes from the start. Enticing children into vaping with pretty colours and flavours is unforgivable. We now have a whole new generation addicted to nicotine. They do have a use in getting people away from smoking as a lesser of two evils. 



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  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,430
    dickad1 said:
    ...Using e liquids from a reputable supplier...
    This raises a number of questions:
     1. Who are the reputable suppliers?
     2. How does anyone know if a supplier is reputable?
     3. Does Zynex supply this stuff? 😉
  • iainment
    iainment Posts: 8,104
    Doctors used to prescribe smoking. They were idiots then and to think vaping all sorts of chemicals isn’t going to cause problems in the future is wishful thinking. 
  • O-Randy-Hunt
    O-Randy-Hunt Posts: 11,008
    Croydon said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    I think people forget kids used to spark up behind the bikeshed at school or on the bus on the way and on the way home from school.

    If vapes weren't available these days and it weren't £20 for a pack of cigarettes im sure kids would still be smoking a ciggy to look cool.
    But isn't that the point, that there would be less kids smoking than there are vaping.
    I'm not putting my point across well but I agree with Stu. It can't be proven that people who vape wouldn't have taken up smoking. The price plays a factor. If vapes were around back in my school days but cost x4 the amount of cigarettes I'm sure kids will be lighting up a fag rather than using a vape.

    Another thing that seems to be popular these days are the velo pouches that come in different flavours and strengths.
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 9,859
    Stig said:
    dickad1 said:
    ...Using e liquids from a reputable supplier...
    This raises a number of questions:
     1. Who are the reputable suppliers?
     2. How does anyone know if a supplier is reputable?
     3. Does Zynex supply this stuff? 😉
    The NHS Smokefree programme that my husband was on, gave him a code to be used with a company called Totally Wicked. I would assume that if the NHS is using it to supply vapes, it should be OK. 
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,194
    ME14addick said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    I think people forget kids used to spark up behind the bikeshed at school or on the bus on the way and on the way home from school.

    If vapes weren't available these days and it weren't £20 for a pack of cigarettes im sure kids would still be smoking a ciggy to look cool.


    There should have been a lot more regulation around vapes from the start. Enticing children into vaping with pretty colours and flavours is unforgivable. We now have a whole new generation addicted to nicotine.

    This part I definitely agree with, I was pretty upset when my son pointed at them and asked for one in London back in July. 
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 9,859
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    I think people forget kids used to spark up behind the bikeshed at school or on the bus on the way and on the way home from school.

    If vapes weren't available these days and it weren't £20 for a pack of cigarettes im sure kids would still be smoking a ciggy to look cool.


    There should have been a lot more regulation around vapes from the start. Enticing children into vaping with pretty colours and flavours is unforgivable. We now have a whole new generation addicted to nicotine.

    This part I definitely agree with, I was pretty upset when my son pointed at them and asked for one in London back in July. 
    So you do agree with my initial statement that 'They should have only been used as an aid to stop smoking. We now have millions more addicted to vapes, that wouldn't have taken up smoking'.

    Would your son have asked for cigarettes?
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,194
    ME14addick said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    I think people forget kids used to spark up behind the bikeshed at school or on the bus on the way and on the way home from school.

    If vapes weren't available these days and it weren't £20 for a pack of cigarettes im sure kids would still be smoking a ciggy to look cool.


    There should have been a lot more regulation around vapes from the start. Enticing children into vaping with pretty colours and flavours is unforgivable. We now have a whole new generation addicted to nicotine.

    This part I definitely agree with, I was pretty upset when my son pointed at them and asked for one in London back in July. 
    So you do agree with my initial statement that 'They should have only been used as an aid to stop smoking. We now have millions more addicted to vapes, that wouldn't have taken up smoking'.

    Would your son have asked for cigarettes?
    No, I don’t, because there’s no way of knowing what would have happened without the availability of vapes, perhaps the decline is smoking we’ve seen wouldn’t have happened, I live somewhere where non-tobacco flavoured vapes are illegal and I catch students smoking at school almost daily. 

    I think you overestimate the value of health warnings, if people weren’t generally idiots we’d wouldn’t see kilos of Columbias finest hoovered up every weekend. 
  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 9,859
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  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 9,859
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    I think people forget kids used to spark up behind the bikeshed at school or on the bus on the way and on the way home from school.

    If vapes weren't available these days and it weren't £20 for a pack of cigarettes im sure kids would still be smoking a ciggy to look cool.


    There should have been a lot more regulation around vapes from the start. Enticing children into vaping with pretty colours and flavours is unforgivable. We now have a whole new generation addicted to nicotine.

    This part I definitely agree with, I was pretty upset when my son pointed at them and asked for one in London back in July. 
    So you do agree with my initial statement that 'They should have only been used as an aid to stop smoking. We now have millions more addicted to vapes, that wouldn't have taken up smoking'.

    Would your son have asked for cigarettes?
    No, I don’t, because there’s no way of knowing what would have happened without the availability of vapes, perhaps the decline is smoking we’ve seen wouldn’t have happened, I live somewhere where non-tobacco flavoured vapes are illegal and I catch students smoking at school almost daily. 

    I think you overestimate the value of health warnings, if people weren’t generally idiots we’d wouldn’t see kilos of Columbias finest hoovered up every weekend. 
    Your own son asked for a vape when he visited the UK, I'll ask again, would your son have asked for cigarettes? 

    If you make an item freely available, with pretty colours and flavours, you will draw people in. Health warnings do have an effect on those contemplating smoking. Vapes are being promoted as safe so more people will take up their use.
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,194
    ME14addick said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    I think people forget kids used to spark up behind the bikeshed at school or on the bus on the way and on the way home from school.

    If vapes weren't available these days and it weren't £20 for a pack of cigarettes im sure kids would still be smoking a ciggy to look cool.


    There should have been a lot more regulation around vapes from the start. Enticing children into vaping with pretty colours and flavours is unforgivable. We now have a whole new generation addicted to nicotine.

    This part I definitely agree with, I was pretty upset when my son pointed at them and asked for one in London back in July. 
    So you do agree with my initial statement that 'They should have only been used as an aid to stop smoking. We now have millions more addicted to vapes, that wouldn't have taken up smoking'.

    Would your son have asked for cigarettes?
    No, I don’t, because there’s no way of knowing what would have happened without the availability of vapes, perhaps the decline is smoking we’ve seen wouldn’t have happened, I live somewhere where non-tobacco flavoured vapes are illegal and I catch students smoking at school almost daily. 

    I think you overestimate the value of health warnings, if people weren’t generally idiots we’d wouldn’t see kilos of Columbias finest hoovered up every weekend. 
    Your own son asked for a vape when he visited the UK, I'll ask again, would your son have asked for cigarettes? 

    If you make an item freely available, with pretty colours and flavours, you will draw people in. Health warnings do have an effect on those contemplating smoking. Vapes are being promoted as safe so more people will take up their use.
    I’m not sure why my agreement means so much to you, as I said, there’s no actual evidence to support your claim, you have one view point, I have another, it’s ok. 

    My son wouldn’t, no, because he knows there’s things he might find at home that are absolutely prohibited from touching, but that doesn’t mean he won’t when he’s 14/15/16, once he’s around friends that do it. I used to complain so much about my parents smoking, especially in the car, yet made the same dumb choice once the peer pressure hit. 


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  • ME14addick
    ME14addick Posts: 9,859
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    I think people forget kids used to spark up behind the bikeshed at school or on the bus on the way and on the way home from school.

    If vapes weren't available these days and it weren't £20 for a pack of cigarettes im sure kids would still be smoking a ciggy to look cool.


    There should have been a lot more regulation around vapes from the start. Enticing children into vaping with pretty colours and flavours is unforgivable. We now have a whole new generation addicted to nicotine.

    This part I definitely agree with, I was pretty upset when my son pointed at them and asked for one in London back in July. 
    So you do agree with my initial statement that 'They should have only been used as an aid to stop smoking. We now have millions more addicted to vapes, that wouldn't have taken up smoking'.

    Would your son have asked for cigarettes?
    No, I don’t, because there’s no way of knowing what would have happened without the availability of vapes, perhaps the decline is smoking we’ve seen wouldn’t have happened, I live somewhere where non-tobacco flavoured vapes are illegal and I catch students smoking at school almost daily. 

    I think you overestimate the value of health warnings, if people weren’t generally idiots we’d wouldn’t see kilos of Columbias finest hoovered up every weekend. 
    Your own son asked for a vape when he visited the UK, I'll ask again, would your son have asked for cigarettes? 

    If you make an item freely available, with pretty colours and flavours, you will draw people in. Health warnings do have an effect on those contemplating smoking. Vapes are being promoted as safe so more people will take up their use.
    I’m not sure why my agreement means so much to you, as I said, there’s no actual evidence to support your claim, you have one view point, I have another, it’s ok. 

    My son wouldn’t, no, because he knows there’s things he might find at home that are absolutely prohibited from touching, but that doesn’t mean he won’t when he’s 14/15/16, once he’s around friends that do it. I used to complain so much about my parents smoking, especially in the car, yet made the same dumb choice once the peer pressure hit. 

    Anyone who thinks that we don't have a whole new generation of people hooked on nicotine through the use of vapes, and who wouldn't have smoked  is being very naïve. The sheer numbers that you see when out and about is testimony to that.
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,560
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    I think people forget kids used to spark up behind the bikeshed at school or on the bus on the way and on the way home from school.

    If vapes weren't available these days and it weren't £20 for a pack of cigarettes im sure kids would still be smoking a ciggy to look cool.


    There should have been a lot more regulation around vapes from the start. Enticing children into vaping with pretty colours and flavours is unforgivable. We now have a whole new generation addicted to nicotine.

    This part I definitely agree with, I was pretty upset when my son pointed at them and asked for one in London back in July. 
    So you do agree with my initial statement that 'They should have only been used as an aid to stop smoking. We now have millions more addicted to vapes, that wouldn't have taken up smoking'.

    Would your son have asked for cigarettes?
    No, I don’t, because there’s no way of knowing what would have happened without the availability of vapes, perhaps the decline is smoking we’ve seen wouldn’t have happened, I live somewhere where non-tobacco flavoured vapes are illegal and I catch students smoking at school almost daily. 

    I think you overestimate the value of health warnings, if people weren’t generally idiots we’d wouldn’t see kilos of Columbias finest hoovered up every weekend. 
    Your own son asked for a vape when he visited the UK, I'll ask again, would your son have asked for cigarettes? 

    If you make an item freely available, with pretty colours and flavours, you will draw people in. Health warnings do have an effect on those contemplating smoking. Vapes are being promoted as safe so more people will take up their use.
    I’m not sure why my agreement means so much to you, as I said, there’s no actual evidence to support your claim, you have one view point, I have another, it’s ok. 

    My son wouldn’t, no, because he knows there’s things he might find at home that are absolutely prohibited from touching, but that doesn’t mean he won’t when he’s 14/15/16, once he’s around friends that do it. I used to complain so much about my parents smoking, especially in the car, yet made the same dumb choice once the peer pressure hit. 

    does he smoke at home?
  • Stu_of_Kunming
    Stu_of_Kunming Posts: 17,194
    PrincessFiona said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    ME14addick said:
    O-Randy-Hunt said:
    I think people forget kids used to spark up behind the bikeshed at school or on the bus on the way and on the way home from school.

    If vapes weren't available these days and it weren't £20 for a pack of cigarettes im sure kids would still be smoking a ciggy to look cool.


    There should have been a lot more regulation around vapes from the start. Enticing children into vaping with pretty colours and flavours is unforgivable. We now have a whole new generation addicted to nicotine.

    This part I definitely agree with, I was pretty upset when my son pointed at them and asked for one in London back in July. 
    So you do agree with my initial statement that 'They should have only been used as an aid to stop smoking. We now have millions more addicted to vapes, that wouldn't have taken up smoking'.

    Would your son have asked for cigarettes?
    No, I don’t, because there’s no way of knowing what would have happened without the availability of vapes, perhaps the decline is smoking we’ve seen wouldn’t have happened, I live somewhere where non-tobacco flavoured vapes are illegal and I catch students smoking at school almost daily. 

    I think you overestimate the value of health warnings, if people weren’t generally idiots we’d wouldn’t see kilos of Columbias finest hoovered up every weekend. 
    Your own son asked for a vape when he visited the UK, I'll ask again, would your son have asked for cigarettes? 

    If you make an item freely available, with pretty colours and flavours, you will draw people in. Health warnings do have an effect on those contemplating smoking. Vapes are being promoted as safe so more people will take up their use.
    I’m not sure why my agreement means so much to you, as I said, there’s no actual evidence to support your claim, you have one view point, I have another, it’s ok. 

    My son wouldn’t, no, because he knows there’s things he might find at home that are absolutely prohibited from touching, but that doesn’t mean he won’t when he’s 14/15/16, once he’s around friends that do it. I used to complain so much about my parents smoking, especially in the car, yet made the same dumb choice once the peer pressure hit. 

    does he smoke at home?
    He’s 7, so I bloody hope not!
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,560
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    Stu_of_Kunming said:
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    I think people forget kids used to spark up behind the bikeshed at school or on the bus on the way and on the way home from school.

    If vapes weren't available these days and it weren't £20 for a pack of cigarettes im sure kids would still be smoking a ciggy to look cool.


    There should have been a lot more regulation around vapes from the start. Enticing children into vaping with pretty colours and flavours is unforgivable. We now have a whole new generation addicted to nicotine.

    This part I definitely agree with, I was pretty upset when my son pointed at them and asked for one in London back in July. 
    So you do agree with my initial statement that 'They should have only been used as an aid to stop smoking. We now have millions more addicted to vapes, that wouldn't have taken up smoking'.

    Would your son have asked for cigarettes?
    No, I don’t, because there’s no way of knowing what would have happened without the availability of vapes, perhaps the decline is smoking we’ve seen wouldn’t have happened, I live somewhere where non-tobacco flavoured vapes are illegal and I catch students smoking at school almost daily. 

    I think you overestimate the value of health warnings, if people weren’t generally idiots we’d wouldn’t see kilos of Columbias finest hoovered up every weekend. 
    Your own son asked for a vape when he visited the UK, I'll ask again, would your son have asked for cigarettes? 

    If you make an item freely available, with pretty colours and flavours, you will draw people in. Health warnings do have an effect on those contemplating smoking. Vapes are being promoted as safe so more people will take up their use.
    I’m not sure why my agreement means so much to you, as I said, there’s no actual evidence to support your claim, you have one view point, I have another, it’s ok. 

    My son wouldn’t, no, because he knows there’s things he might find at home that are absolutely prohibited from touching, but that doesn’t mean he won’t when he’s 14/15/16, once he’s around friends that do it. I used to complain so much about my parents smoking, especially in the car, yet made the same dumb choice once the peer pressure hit. 

    does he smoke at home?
    He’s 7, so I bloody hope not!
    yet he asked for a vape. 
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,560
    it is likely that some might have smoked if vaping were not an available option (exposing them to more harm), whereas others might not have smoked or vaped.'
  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,347
    Out of my freind circle all early 30’s have 3 pals that vape but have never smoked. 

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