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Leicester City deducted 6 points with immediate effect
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I wonder if there is one eye on Manchester City here. By minimising penalties now, they'll be able to keep them in the Premiership.Redrobo said:Only six!
For knowingly cheating.
Should be automatic relegation. End of.
Stop the risk to our football Clubs going out of business.3 -
Chris_from_Sidcup said:
A week ago most of this forum was saying this about us. Get a win and everything changes.PaddyP17 said:Journalist friend of mine who is a ITK WBA fan reckons they are proper fucked by the way. Really looking clueless apparently.
Then again like half the league has said this about their own team tbf
A week ago we still had an ace to play in 2.5k+ (?) Charlton fans rocking up at Leicester and turning the match into a home game and encouraging that win and adding to the Leicester fans malaise. Teams such as Blackburn probably haven’t got a hope in hell of their fans doing something similar and I suspect those clubs like Leicester and West Brom where the current fall is comparatively greater the fanbase may well be hurting a lot more than we were and could well turn their games atmospheres toxic.3 -
I think with West Brom there was quite a bit of bafflement that instead of replacing Ryan Mason with someone that's a championship specialist and just looking to stabilise they've gone and appointed a very unproven manager in Eric Ramsey who is incredibly system and style specific. The sporting director has already paid for it with his job and I can't see them suddenly going on a run5
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Erik Ramsay seems like the sort of appointment when you're already in League One, like when McKenna took over at Ipswich... Rot already stopped, and ready to start looking upwards - Instead a first gig at a struggling side in perhaps the toughest Division in Europe... Yeah probably not a good idea in hindsight.MarcusH26 said:I think with West Brom there was quite a bit of bafflement that instead of replacing Ryan Mason with someone that's a championship specialist and just looking to stabilise they've gone and appointed a very unproven manager in Eric Ramsey who is incredibly system and style specific. The sporting director has already paid for it with his job and I can't see them suddenly going on a run3 -
I don't understand all this talk about Leicester being too good to go down and getting out of the relegation battle easily.
They didn't look too good against us, nor at home to Oxford the previous weekend. Even earlier in the season, when they beat us, it was only a bit of individual magic that got them the win. We absolutely battered them in that game and should have easily won.
I don't think they'll be looking forward to their upcoming matches and I doubt if they will have the backbone for a relegation slog (as shown in their last 2 games).
Birmingham (a)
Southampton (h)
Stoke (a)
Boro (a)
Norwich (h)
Ipswich (a)
Let's see where they are after their next 6 league games (hopefully many, many points behind us).8 -
They also deliberately were uncooperative apparently, which some thought would cost them a bigger deduction.stoneroses19 said:Obviously any points deducted is good for us, but do feel they've got away with it. Does not seem harsh enough considering how much they overspent.If they get relegated this season, that changes things, but still think other owners will look at 6 points deducted and think it's worth overspending. Gamble pays off and they get promoted to premier league, it doesn't work out and they only lose 6 points next season.1 -
They spent well in transfer window and doubt they will go down, still on us to get the required points, take a draw tonight and a win against Pompey in the next 3 games stoke is a free hit2
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Why would any club be cooperative? Everton were cooperative and got hammered repeatedly, whilst Man City haven't cooperated, still not punished. SW weren't cooperative, repeatedly avoided points deductions/relegation. If they'd manage to sell earlier they probably would never have been properly punished.Pelling1993 said:
They also deliberately were uncooperative apparently, which some thought would cost them a bigger deduction.stoneroses19 said:Obviously any points deducted is good for us, but do feel they've got away with it. Does not seem harsh enough considering how much they overspent.If they get relegated this season, that changes things, but still think other owners will look at 6 points deducted and think it's worth overspending. Gamble pays off and they get promoted to premier league, it doesn't work out and they only lose 6 points next season.
The Prem and EFL have made it clear, they rewards you if you play silly buggers, they punish you if you even try to help them.7 -
You're sort of right but part of City's charges are for being uncooperative before so they could still get punished for thatrandy andy said:
Why would any club be cooperative? Everton were cooperative and got hammered repeatedly, whilst Man City haven't cooperated, still not punished. SW weren't cooperative, repeatedly avoided points deductions/relegation. If they'd manage to sell earlier they probably would never have been properly punished.Pelling1993 said:
They also deliberately were uncooperative apparently, which some thought would cost them a bigger deduction.stoneroses19 said:Obviously any points deducted is good for us, but do feel they've got away with it. Does not seem harsh enough considering how much they overspent.If they get relegated this season, that changes things, but still think other owners will look at 6 points deducted and think it's worth overspending. Gamble pays off and they get promoted to premier league, it doesn't work out and they only lose 6 points next season.
The Prem and EFL have made it clear, they rewards you if you play silly buggers, they punish you if you even try to help them.0 -
Adrian Chiles?PaddyP17 said:Journalist friend of mine who is a ITK WBA fan reckons they are proper fucked by the way. Really looking clueless apparently.
Then again like half the league has said this about their own team tbf3 -
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Respectfully disagree with this. Our success in the last twelve months has been built on shutting teams out who we should beat. Jones has done really well with it. I expect us to have too much for Wednesday.DamoNorthStand said:MartinCAFC said:
This table almost needs a Sheff Weds factor to it as in who still has to play them almost feels like they have a game in hand.Er_Be_Ab_Pl_Wo_Wo_Ch said:
Portsmouth and Blackburn have played them twice. Ironically Sheff Weds three of there last four games of the season are against ourselves, Oxford and West Brom last game.
Personally, I am not expecting us to go to Sheff Weds and win. It is just the sort of game we would fuck up in.
Yesterday's news has actually made tonight more important. A win tonight really puts us in a strong position.4 -
Yes was going to say that, but the way people are on here, I’d have been jumped on to say it wasn’t officially a goal🤷🏻♂️Redrobo said:
We scored 3.Sword65pf said:
All ifs and buts, the facts are they deservedly had a player sent off, we scored 2 they scored 0, we won. We could list the ifs and buts that should have gone in our favour. In every game we come under a certain amount of pressure, if we defend well enough we get something, the same as last season.golfaddick said:
Last week if they had kept 11 men in the pitch I expect they would have beaten us. First 15 mins of the 2nd half they pinned us back even though we had an extra man. Their wide players will create chances & score goals for them. Their only downside is probably their actual strikers, but I think they have enough to stay up.fenaddick said:
I didn't see anything to suggest that in either of our gamesWSS said:Probably have too much to go down but still not to be sniffed at
Only mention as it supports what you are saying.0 -
Even at the time it seemed like a strange appointment. Fine if they were a good team that was underperforming, but WBA are a poor team, so they need someone experienced in grinding out results.ForeverAddickted said:
Erik Ramsay seems like the sort of appointment when you're already in League One, like when McKenna took over at Ipswich... Rot already stopped, and ready to start looking upwards - Instead a first gig at a struggling side in perhaps the toughest Division in Europe... Yeah probably not a good idea in hindsight.MarcusH26 said:I think with West Brom there was quite a bit of bafflement that instead of replacing Ryan Mason with someone that's a championship specialist and just looking to stabilise they've gone and appointed a very unproven manager in Eric Ramsey who is incredibly system and style specific. The sporting director has already paid for it with his job and I can't see them suddenly going on a run
Looking at the table, I was surprised to see that WBA have the second worst GD in the division after Wednesday, 2 worse than Oxford. That could be crucial with things so tight down there.3 -
Except the scum, they are just shitbags!!😂swords_alive said:Unfair to paint a whole fanbase by one person's post. Imagine someone came on here and said 'oh those charlton fans they're all this or that', based on one person's post.0 -
Haven't they been threatening legal action against the Premier League, not sure of the ins & outs of it but sure I read something months ago about it ?KiwiValley said:And what about eff’n Man City ?!!!!0 -
Good point, the Scottish Premiership would be a fitting punishment for them.Raith_C_Chattonell said:
I wonder if there is one eye on Manchester City here. By minimising penalties now, they'll be able to keep them in the Premiership.Redrobo said:Only six!
For knowingly cheating.
Should be automatic relegation. End of.
Stop the risk to our football Clubs going out of business.0 -
It would have been Arsenal..ElfsborgAddick said:
Every London club's supporters were praying they won the title instead of totteringham.eastterrace6168 said:God I hate those egotistical self opinionated pricks Leicester, hope they lose every game and eventually end up in league two, they certainly deserve to...
Anyway, this is not a deterrent. The lesson other clubs will learn is that breaking the rules is profitable.0 -
Yes, Spurs managed to finish 3rd in a two horse race. 🐎jimmymelrose said:
It would have been Arsenal..ElfsborgAddick said:
Every London club's supporters were praying they won the title instead of totteringham.eastterrace6168 said:God I hate those egotistical self opinionated pricks Leicester, hope they lose every game and eventually end up in league two, they certainly deserve to...
Anyway, this is not a deterrent. The lesson other clubs will learn is that breaking the rules is profitable.1 -
All the self righteous chatter about how lenient the punishment is (it ain't) is massively missing the point.
We should be grateful for small mercies:
1) EFL has dished out a meaningful punishment
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2) Done it in an almost timely manner such that the first possible season is impacted
What have Leicester and their owner done to so piss off EFL?
Have a massive pisstaking owner who refuses to engage like SWFC and Chansiri and EFL shilly shally over punishments and wrongfully defers them until at least a season too late.
Have a present owner who does engage and get penalised straight away.
All talk of 9 or 10 points is way off the mark, those deductions only apply for the cheating club welching on its liabilities by using administration.
Bizarrely EFL's obsession still seems to be that the phoenix club has proof of funds to promptly satisfy the old company's football creditors - which is dodgy as all hell under insolvency law and how come the Wendies find themselves so far adrift.
Don't get too comfy with LCFC's current league position - when they appeal the penalty, EFL will cave and reduce or suspend some of the points.
The ever louder rabble of hectoring ninnies who relentlessly bellyache that Charlton's owners haven't ponied up double digit millions for this that or the other "Championship quality" player pay close attention. Spunking bundles on players guarantees nothing on the pitch but massively amplifies the risk of the maths undoing any of the good work later on when the reckoning is made.3 -
There should be a set punishment that isn't appealable. Say 1 point deduction for every £3m over the £39m losses or something like that.
So a flagrant rule breaker like Leicester, 60m over the limit, would get a 20 points deduction, however a team 8m over the limit due to loss of sponsorship or dropping gate revenue get 3 points deduction, so still punished but obviously not as severely. If there was a clear and concise rule that has no loopholes, everyone would know exactly where they're at.
Sure you'd probably still have teams try and spend way above their means to try and get promoted despite getting a 15 points deduction or whatever, but it wouldn't be worth it8 -
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Just looking up Leicester's transfer window activity and enjoyed this from the EFL website (the same EFL that has deducted them points)
Leicester City secured the loan signing of Joe Aribo from Southampton. The Nigeria midfielder brings European experience and depth for the Foxes’ promotion challenge.
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And while I'll always love Joe Aribo and keep fond memories of the absolute mayhem he caused up at Doncaster in the first play-off game, I don't think he's a player to throw into a relegation scrap.0 -
In their 2022-23 accounts Leicester confirmed an £89.7m loss while in the 12 months up to May 2022 they lost a club record £92.5m.
It's confusing how Leicester managed to lose SO much money in that period. In 21/22 they finished 8th in the PL and had quite a few European games, so a pretty decent season financially you'd have thought, yet they lost £92.5m.
The following season was a disaster with relegation. They bought a lot of rubbish in this period, but sold Fofana to Chelsea for £70m in August 2022 which would have given a healthy accounting gain, yet still lost £89.7m.
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I don't think a panal should decide the punishment, just the guilt. There should be a clear upfront document of categories and the punishment so when guilt is decided, the relevent punishment is applied. The problem the Premier League and EFL has is the power to appeal and sue. It needs clubs to sign up to not being able to and abiding by earned punishments but we saw the big clubs trying to break away a few years back and they have too much power and wouldn't agree to this. What you can do to Leicester or Sheffield Wednesday, you can't do to Man City so easily but it is still too difficult.0
