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After the Millwall game - update from Met Commissioner p68
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My Dad use walk his beat with a Truncheon, a whistle, and his wits. They now have more kit than astronauts but lack common sense.
My dad didn't need facial recognition tech, he could spot a wrong un a mile off.8 -
But in this particular context, perversely, it seems it would make them treat us better. If there was a likelihood that we would kick off for being sent round the houses then they wouldn't do it and would keep Millwall back instead.bobmunro said:Ilovelondontown said:Nothing will change until Charlton fans do not accept it and be a little bit naughty and force the ob hand!
Yes, that would really make the police treat us better!
It's a crazy situation.6 -
Definitely - if everybody decided they were going to walk up floyd road and straight through the police line what could they do? they'd nick a few but couldn't nick 20,000. It won't happen coz people can't be arsed enough but i'd be there and happy to take the consequences if everybody agreed to do this. That would solve it and ensure it didn't happen the following season. At work, 'what were you nicked for?' ' walking up the road i walk up after every home game and refusing to be treated like a c**t''Off_it said:
But in this particular context, perversely, it seems it would make them treat us better. If there was a likelihood that we would kick off for being sent round the houses then they wouldn't do it and would keep Millwall back instead.bobmunro said:Ilovelondontown said:Nothing will change until Charlton fans do not accept it and be a little bit naughty and force the ob hand!
Yes, that would really make the police treat us better!
It's a crazy situation.3 -
"No ifs, no buts ....."DOUCHER said:
Definitely - if everybody decided they were going to walk up floyd road and straight through the police line what could they do? they'd nick a few but couldn't nick 20,000. It won't happen coz people can't be arsed enough but i'd be there and happy to take the consequences if everybody agreed to do this. That would solve it and ensure it didn't happen the following season. At work, 'what were you nicked for?' ' walking up the road i walk up after every home game and refusing to be treated like a c**t''Off_it said:
But in this particular context, perversely, it seems it would make them treat us better. If there was a likelihood that we would kick off for being sent round the houses then they wouldn't do it and would keep Millwall back instead.bobmunro said:Ilovelondontown said:Nothing will change until Charlton fans do not accept it and be a little bit naughty and force the ob hand!
Yes, that would really make the police treat us better!
It's a crazy situation.3 -
R u with me ?Off_it said:
"No ifs, no buts ....."DOUCHER said:
Definitely - if everybody decided they were going to walk up floyd road and straight through the police line what could they do? they'd nick a few but couldn't nick 20,000. It won't happen coz people can't be arsed enough but i'd be there and happy to take the consequences if everybody agreed to do this. That would solve it and ensure it didn't happen the following season. At work, 'what were you nicked for?' ' walking up the road i walk up after every home game and refusing to be treated like a c**t''Off_it said:
But in this particular context, perversely, it seems it would make them treat us better. If there was a likelihood that we would kick off for being sent round the houses then they wouldn't do it and would keep Millwall back instead.bobmunro said:Ilovelondontown said:Nothing will change until Charlton fans do not accept it and be a little bit naughty and force the ob hand!
Yes, that would really make the police treat us better!
It's a crazy situation.0 -
Meatheads in a uniform.1
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We left on the final whistle, got let onto the platform and were away before any Millwall were let through.oohaahmortimer said:What happened at our away game at the scum?
I think they let us get on the trains pretty quickly , some fans walked back saying not letting us through, a mate then messaged a few mins later saying he was on train back to London and had been let through , pretty soon ish after our game had finished .
Common sense tbf, virtually our whole end left before the game ended so the police let us on our way before Millwall fans arrived.
They were holding them back (not that many by then) and said hurry up before we let them come through.2 -
The police were let people through in blocks, so Charlton fans first, then Millwall. Which is when those of us who did not leave on the whistle got held back.Covered End said:
We left on the final whistle, got let onto the platform and were away before any Millwall were let through.oohaahmortimer said:What happened at our away game at the scum?
I think they let us get on the trains pretty quickly , some fans walked back saying not letting us through, a mate then messaged a few mins later saying he was on train back to London and had been let through , pretty soon ish after our game had finished .
Common sense tbf, virtually our whole end left before the game ended so the police let us on our way before Millwall fans arrived.
They were holding them back (not that many by then) and said hurry up before we let them come through.
I was forced onto the station platform as they did not let away fans out into the streets. I wanted to get a P12 bus from Ilderton rd.
So on the platform with Charlton fans going to London Bridge, but had to wait for a Peckham Rye service ,so had to wait with the next block of Millwall fans.0 -
Yes, they said hurry up, before we stop Charlton fans and let the Millwall through.msomerton said:
The police were let people through in blocks, so Charlton fans first, then Millwall. Which is when those of us who did not leave on the whistle got held back.Covered End said:
We left on the final whistle, got let onto the platform and were away before any Millwall were let through.oohaahmortimer said:What happened at our away game at the scum?
I think they let us get on the trains pretty quickly , some fans walked back saying not letting us through, a mate then messaged a few mins later saying he was on train back to London and had been let through , pretty soon ish after our game had finished .
Common sense tbf, virtually our whole end left before the game ended so the police let us on our way before Millwall fans arrived.
They were holding them back (not that many by then) and said hurry up before we let them come through.
I was forced onto the station platform as they did not let away fans out into the streets. I wanted to get a P12 bus from Ilderton rd.
So on the platform with Charlton fans going to London Bridge, but had to wait for a Peckham Rye service ,so had to wait with the next block of Millwall fans.0 -
Covered End said:
Yes, they said hurry up, before we stop Charlton fans and let the Millwall through.msomerton said:
The police were let people through in blocks, so Charlton fans first, then Millwall. Which is when those of us who did not leave on the whistle got held back.Covered End said:
We left on the final whistle, got let onto the platform and were away before any Millwall were let through.oohaahmortimer said:What happened at our away game at the scum?
I think they let us get on the trains pretty quickly , some fans walked back saying not letting us through, a mate then messaged a few mins later saying he was on train back to London and had been let through , pretty soon ish after our game had finished .
Common sense tbf, virtually our whole end left before the game ended so the police let us on our way before Millwall fans arrived.
They were holding them back (not that many by then) and said hurry up before we let them come through.
I was forced onto the station platform as they did not let away fans out into the streets. I wanted to get a P12 bus from Ilderton rd.
So on the platform with Charlton fans going to London Bridge, but had to wait for a Peckham Rye service ,so had to wait with the next block of Millwall fans.We had a quick pint after the game and walked along the back around 15 minutes after the whistle. Queued for 5 minutes and they then let us on the platform with Millwall fans. Not a hint of trouble and had very pleasant conversations with some home fans. The police we spoke to seemed very relaxed and communicative.That's how it should be.5 -
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As long as we roll over 4-0 that's probably how things will be.bobmunro said:ICovered End said:
Yes, they said hurry up, before we stop Charlton fans and let the Millwall through.msomerton said:
The police were let people through in blocks, so Charlton fans first, then Millwall. Which is when those of us who did not leave on the whistle got held back.Covered End said:
We left on the final whistle, got let onto the platform and were away before any Millwall were let through.oohaahmortimer said:What happened at our away game at the scum?
I think they let us get on the trains pretty quickly , some fans walked back saying not letting us through, a mate then messaged a few mins later saying he was on train back to London and had been let through , pretty soon ish after our game had finished .
Common sense tbf, virtually our whole end left before the game ended so the police let us on our way before Millwall fans arrived.
They were holding them back (not that many by then) and said hurry up before we let them come through.
I was forced onto the station platform as they did not let away fans out into the streets. I wanted to get a P12 bus from Ilderton rd.
So on the platform with Charlton fans going to London Bridge, but had to wait for a Peckham Rye service ,so had to wait with the next block of Millwall fans.We had a quick pint after the game and walked along the back around 15 minutes after the whistle. Queued for 5 minutes and they then let us on the platform with Millwall fans. Not a hint of trouble and had very pleasant conversations with some home fans. The police we spoke to seemed very relaxed and communicative.That's how it should be.Imagine if we'd won 4-0?5 -
It's a bit early for drinking!Baldybonce said:
As long as we roll over 4-0 that's probably how things will be.bobmunro said:ICovered End said:
Yes, they said hurry up, before we stop Charlton fans and let the Millwall through.msomerton said:
The police were let people through in blocks, so Charlton fans first, then Millwall. Which is when those of us who did not leave on the whistle got held back.Covered End said:
We left on the final whistle, got let onto the platform and were away before any Millwall were let through.oohaahmortimer said:What happened at our away game at the scum?
I think they let us get on the trains pretty quickly , some fans walked back saying not letting us through, a mate then messaged a few mins later saying he was on train back to London and had been let through , pretty soon ish after our game had finished .
Common sense tbf, virtually our whole end left before the game ended so the police let us on our way before Millwall fans arrived.
They were holding them back (not that many by then) and said hurry up before we let them come through.
I was forced onto the station platform as they did not let away fans out into the streets. I wanted to get a P12 bus from Ilderton rd.
So on the platform with Charlton fans going to London Bridge, but had to wait for a Peckham Rye service ,so had to wait with the next block of Millwall fans.We had a quick pint after the game and walked along the back around 15 minutes after the whistle. Queued for 5 minutes and they then let us on the platform with Millwall fans. Not a hint of trouble and had very pleasant conversations with some home fans. The police we spoke to seemed very relaxed and communicative.That's how it should be.Imagine if we'd won 4-0?5 -
if we'd won 4-0 (laughs to himself) then no way would we have been let out at the same timeBaldybonce said:
As long as we roll over 4-0 that's probably how things will be.bobmunro said:ICovered End said:
Yes, they said hurry up, before we stop Charlton fans and let the Millwall through.msomerton said:
The police were let people through in blocks, so Charlton fans first, then Millwall. Which is when those of us who did not leave on the whistle got held back.Covered End said:
We left on the final whistle, got let onto the platform and were away before any Millwall were let through.oohaahmortimer said:What happened at our away game at the scum?
I think they let us get on the trains pretty quickly , some fans walked back saying not letting us through, a mate then messaged a few mins later saying he was on train back to London and had been let through , pretty soon ish after our game had finished .
Common sense tbf, virtually our whole end left before the game ended so the police let us on our way before Millwall fans arrived.
They were holding them back (not that many by then) and said hurry up before we let them come through.
I was forced onto the station platform as they did not let away fans out into the streets. I wanted to get a P12 bus from Ilderton rd.
So on the platform with Charlton fans going to London Bridge, but had to wait for a Peckham Rye service ,so had to wait with the next block of Millwall fans.We had a quick pint after the game and walked along the back around 15 minutes after the whistle. Queued for 5 minutes and they then let us on the platform with Millwall fans. Not a hint of trouble and had very pleasant conversations with some home fans. The police we spoke to seemed very relaxed and communicative.That's how it should be.Imagine if we'd won 4-0?0 -
For all the word salad, political doublespeak and paranoid histrionics aired since November's fiasco I think one thing has become clear.
Met didn't think about the aftermatch situation at all, made it up on the spur of the moment, fundamentally got away with very little criminality to muck up their statistics so could cheerfully give no fucks at all how many people were actually inconvenienced or how much simpler and safer any other decision would have been.
The fact that the situation could conceivably have been much much worse counts for precisely fuck all.
All the wordy bullshit from Rowley et al at OB is thinly disguised "Fuck Off, Shut Up we honestly don't care one bit"
The fact that a handful of people had a truly awful experience doesn't feature on any statistics so effectively didn't happen.
When they repeat the negligence next season - irrespective of train service frequency - all we can do is throw their shameless lies back at them - that won't protect any stewards from 'wall thuggery or speed up Charlton fans on their way home but might go some way to exposing precisely how seriously local OB take their football match responsibilities. Early engagement from the club, setting out the bleeding obvious to local OB should help them do their jobs properly but realistically hopes should not be high.3 -
That’s right - it’s not important to them and only will be if we inconvenience them enough to have a re think - same as anything else in life, business, sport or whatever else - ball’s in our court.Billy_Mix said:For all the word salad, political doublespeak and paranoid histrionics aired since November's fiasco I think one thing has become clear.
Met didn't think about the aftermatch situation at all, made it up on the spur of the moment, fundamentally got away with very little criminality to muck up their statistics so could cheerfully give no fucks at all how many people were actually inconvenienced or how much simpler and safer any other decision would have been.
The fact that the situation could conceivably have been much much worse counts for precisely fuck all.
All the wordy bullshit from Rowley et al at OB is thinly disguised "Fuck Off, Shut Up we honestly don't care one bit"
The fact that a handful of people had a truly awful experience doesn't feature on any statistics so effectively didn't happen.
When they repeat the negligence next season - irrespective of train service frequency - all we can do is throw their shameless lies back at them - that won't protect any stewards from 'wall thuggery or speed up Charlton fans on their way home but might go some way to exposing precisely how seriously local OB take their football match responsibilities. Early engagement from the club, setting out the bleeding obvious to local OB should help them do their jobs properly but realistically hopes should not be high.1 -
Southeastern have stated (regarding 13 September 25) "there were no train cancellations at Charlton between 14:15 and 15:30 on that date".Chris_from_Sidcup said:"the Commander considered holding the visiting supporters in the stadium while home supporters left, however this was assessed to be unrealistic due to a reduced train timetable."
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Which goes to show that the person making this decision in the OB is a spanner and not an addick, as they would’ve known that before making that comment.Hex said:
Southeastern have stated (regarding 13 September 25) "there were no train cancellations at Charlton between 14:15 and 15:30 on that date".Chris_from_Sidcup said:"the Commander considered holding the visiting supporters in the stadium while home supporters left, however this was assessed to be unrealistic due to a reduced train timetable."
Absolutely laughable.8 -
Joking aside, that is quite a piece of information. @Hex, i guess you have that documented?guinnessaddick said:
Which goes to show that the person making this decision in the OB is a spanner and not an addick, as they would’ve known that before making that comment.Hex said:
Southeastern have stated (regarding 13 September 25) "there were no train cancellations at Charlton between 14:15 and 15:30 on that date".Chris_from_Sidcup said:"the Commander considered holding the visiting supporters in the stadium while home supporters left, however this was assessed to be unrealistic due to a reduced train timetable."
Absolutely laughable.I didnt ever expect a public mea culpa from the Met. But bloody hell, “just make some shit up” was definitely not on my bingo card.
If this is indeed verifiably correct, I think we should push back hard, mainly so we have all this on the record before this fixture (hopefully) next season.1 -
I’m not one to defend the plod at all but I do think there was a reduced timetable that day, one of the lines was due to be closed but eventually a reduced service was in place.
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Originally there were due to be no trains on the Greenwich Line. CAST raised with the club when we became aware of this c mid August. Club were already on the case along with British Transport Police and there ended up being four trains an hour around the match. It was a reduced service.1
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How many trains when it’s a normal service?Weegie Addick said:Originally there were due to be no trains on the Greenwich Line. CAST raised with the club when we became aware of this c mid August. Club were already on the case along with British Transport Police and there ended up being four trains an hour around the match. It was a reduced service.0 -
I’m not the greatest expert on the exact ins and outs (terrible admission for a CAFC fan given we love trains) but I spotted a notice at Greenwich station about no trains on the line on the Millwall date and raised it with the club. Think it was four trains in total (via Greenwich / Lewisham) and normally it is six or more?guinnessaddick said:
How many trains when it’s a normal service?Weegie Addick said:Originally there were due to be no trains on the Greenwich Line. CAST raised with the club when we became aware of this c mid August. Club were already on the case along with British Transport Police and there ended up being four trains an hour around the match. It was a reduced service.0 -
Cancellations are not the same as a reduced service.I suspect terminology is being confused.1
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FOIPragueAddick said:
Joking aside, that is quite a piece of information. @Hex, i guess you have that documented?guinnessaddick said:
Which goes to show that the person making this decision in the OB is a spanner and not an addick, as they would’ve known that before making that comment.Hex said:
Southeastern have stated (regarding 13 September 25) "there were no train cancellations at Charlton between 14:15 and 15:30 on that date".Chris_from_Sidcup said:"the Commander considered holding the visiting supporters in the stadium while home supporters left, however this was assessed to be unrealistic due to a reduced train timetable."
Absolutely laughable......1 -
I think it’s true there were no cancellations. It was a reduced service.1
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At the same times tomorrow there are 6 trains per hour via Greenwich, and when a normal service is operating there are also 2 trains via Blackheath.Weegie Addick said:
I’m not the greatest expert on the exact ins and outs (terrible admission for a CAFC fan given we love trains) but I spotted a notice at Greenwich station about no trains on the line on the Millwall date and raised it with the club. Think it was four trains in total (via Greenwich / Lewisham) and normally it is six or more?guinnessaddick said:
How many trains when it’s a normal service?Weegie Addick said:Originally there were due to be no trains on the Greenwich Line. CAST raised with the club when we became aware of this c mid August. Club were already on the case along with British Transport Police and there ended up being four trains an hour around the match. It was a reduced service.0 -
guinnessaddick said:
How many trains when it’s a normal service?Weegie Addick said:Originally there were due to be no trains on the Greenwich Line. CAST raised with the club when we became aware of this c mid August. Club were already on the case along with British Transport Police and there ended up being four trains an hour around the match. It was a reduced service.
Four.
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Perhaps we can request that we play the spanners at home for the opening game of the season.As the weather is normally great in the 70's it will be less of an issue for 15,000 Charlton fans walking an extra two miles unnecessarily, we'll all get back home with a tan.0
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Surely the club will need to supply water and sunscreen?0
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They could hand out Fuck The Wall bucket hats2
