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Leicester City deducted 6 points with immediate effect - club & Prem both appealing (p4)
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If they get fined 9M instead that’s an absolute disgrace. They make that money back from TV revenue this season alone. Then they get all the positives of better gate receipts, sponsorship, less impact on selling players/wages. After all that cheating their punishment will be 9M which you can say is the equivalent of making a summer signing who flopped or got injured for a season Absolute jokeCharltonManor1966 said:The financial expert on TalkSport today was saying that Leicester's appeal will probably end up in a barter between the 6 points being upheld or possibly nullified in favour of a 9 million fine.
He said that Leicester would try and delay the final decision by legal delays till nearer the end of the season to see how they stand in the league, then if necessary try to opt for the fine rather than the 6 points.
He reckoned the Prem appeal is only over their jurisdiction issue last year and is not likely to be heard.
We can all see how this might end up!?16 -
Any club that went down instead of Leicester, would then counter protest, and probably take the EFL to court if that happened.28
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killerandflash said:Any club that went down instead of Leicester, would then counter protest, and probably take the EFL to court if that happened.
Yes - and the EFL know that. My guess is that the six points will stand.11 -
The usual piss poor administration from the EFL.
Luckily for them, they don't have to take a fit and proper test like potential owners do.4 -
Overspend, then pay your way out of it, can we all see where this ends up?12
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Yeah I can't see them wanting to set that precedent!sam3110 said:Overspend, then pay your way out of it, can we all see where this ends up?
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Can we launch a counter-appeal to have the Foxes twinned with the Owls and send both cheating clubs down to Div Three?1
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A fine would be utterly counterproductive. As others are intimating above, a financial penalty is almost zero deterrent to overspending by wealthy owners.12
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Yeah just like we didn't when Wendies got away with it because the EFL helped them out?killerandflash said:Any club that went down instead of Leicester, would then counter protest, and probably take the EFL to court if that happened.1 -
bobmunro said:killerandflash said:Any club that went down instead of Leicester, would then counter protest, and probably take the EFL to court if that happened.
Yes - and the EFL know that. My guess is that the six points will stand.
My thinking is that Leicester must know they have a strong chance of winning this, if they fail there could be a further points deduction?
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Given the EFL were also appealing Leicester can’t really lose by appealing themselvesElfsborgAddick said:bobmunro said:killerandflash said:Any club that went down instead of Leicester, would then counter protest, and probably take the EFL to court if that happened.
Yes - and the EFL know that. My guess is that the six points will stand.
My thinking is that Leicester must know they have a strong chance of winning this, if they fail there could be a further points deduction?0 -
As it stands right now they are down anyway, albeit they have a chance of survival. Possibly they see it as something of a hail mary shot that means that they MIGHT get those points back, if not they go down just the same, just with even fewer points.ElfsborgAddick said:bobmunro said:killerandflash said:Any club that went down instead of Leicester, would then counter protest, and probably take the EFL to court if that happened.
Yes - and the EFL know that. My guess is that the six points will stand.
My thinking is that Leicester must know they have a strong chance of winning this, if they fail there could be a further points deduction?0 -
Admittedly nothing would surprise me in football but i cannot see any way they'd get the 6 points back and be allowed to get away with a fine. It would then set a precedent that you could spend a ton of money, fail PSR and then just pay a small fine to get away with it. Have any other teams who've failed PSR got away with just a fine?8
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CaptainRobbo said:The usual piss poor administration from the EFL.
Luckily for them, they don't have to take a fit and proper test like potential owners do.
Is it? Leicester were found guilty and an independent body set the penalty of 6 points. This has been appealed as is the right in this country and is being considered. Nothing else. Not sure what they have done wrong tbf but they seem an easy target.0 -
Dragging their feet as usual.Athletico Charlton said:CaptainRobbo said:The usual piss poor administration from the EFL.
Luckily for them, they don't have to take a fit and proper test like potential owners do.
Is it? Leicester were found guilty and an independent body set the penalty of 6 points. This has been appealed as is the right in this country and is being considered. Nothing else. Not sure what they have done wrong tbf but they seem an easy target.
They are hopeful it will be sorted before the season ends.0 -
There's something counter-intuitive of making a club pay a £9 million fine for the crime of over spending. For that reason, I can easily see it taking place.2
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Chizz said:There's something counter-intuitive of making a club pay a £9 million fine for the crime of over spending. For that reason, I can easily see it taking place.
You can imagine it, with the points given back they finish joint third bottom with us but we go down on goal difference.
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I don't follow that logic.ElfsborgAddick said:bobmunro said:killerandflash said:Any club that went down instead of Leicester, would then counter protest, and probably take the EFL to court if that happened.
Yes - and the EFL know that. My guess is that the six points will stand.
My thinking is that Leicester must know they have a strong chance of winning this, if they fail there could be a further points deduction?
As they stand they are going down, so a further deduction is meaningless. However an appeal.mag delay proceedings, meaning they don't go down, but start next season on.-6, a far preferable outcome than going down now. They literally have nothing to lose by appealing, so why wouldn't they?
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randy andy said:
I don't follow that logic.ElfsborgAddick said:bobmunro said:killerandflash said:Any club that went down instead of Leicester, would then counter protest, and probably take the EFL to court if that happened.
Yes - and the EFL know that. My guess is that the six points will stand.
My thinking is that Leicester must know they have a strong chance of winning this, if they fail there could be a further points deduction?
As they stand they are going down, so a further deduction is meaningless. However an appeal.mag delay proceedings, meaning they don't go down, but start next season on.-6, a far preferable outcome than going down now. They literally have nothing to lose by appealing, so why wouldn't they?
I'm working on that a further reduction(should it be implemented this season) would then virtually relegate them.
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But other parties are already appealing for that so Leicester's appeal isn't really relevant to any extra punishmentElfsborgAddick said:randy andy said:
I don't follow that logic.ElfsborgAddick said:bobmunro said:killerandflash said:Any club that went down instead of Leicester, would then counter protest, and probably take the EFL to court if that happened.
Yes - and the EFL know that. My guess is that the six points will stand.
My thinking is that Leicester must know they have a strong chance of winning this, if they fail there could be a further points deduction?
As they stand they are going down, so a further deduction is meaningless. However an appeal.mag delay proceedings, meaning they don't go down, but start next season on.-6, a far preferable outcome than going down now. They literally have nothing to lose by appealing, so why wouldn't they?
I'm working on that a further reduction(should it be implemented this season) would then virtually relegate them.0 -
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fenaddick said:
But other parties are already appealing for that so Leicester's appeal isn't really relevant to any extra punishmentElfsborgAddick said:randy andy said:
I don't follow that logic.ElfsborgAddick said:bobmunro said:killerandflash said:Any club that went down instead of Leicester, would then counter protest, and probably take the EFL to court if that happened.
Yes - and the EFL know that. My guess is that the six points will stand.
My thinking is that Leicester must know they have a strong chance of winning this, if they fail there could be a further points deduction?
As they stand they are going down, so a further deduction is meaningless. However an appeal.mag delay proceedings, meaning they don't go down, but start next season on.-6, a far preferable outcome than going down now. They literally have nothing to lose by appealing, so why wouldn't they?
I'm working on that a further reduction(should it be implemented this season) would then virtually relegate them.
Okay.
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The other parties appealing are the Premier League who are asking for a larger points deduction, no?0
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They could still stay up though. Just one point behind a very poor WBA, and 2 ahead of Oxford, so it's not as if the 6 point deduction has relegated them already.randy andy said:
I don't follow that logic.ElfsborgAddick said:bobmunro said:killerandflash said:Any club that went down instead of Leicester, would then counter protest, and probably take the EFL to court if that happened.
Yes - and the EFL know that. My guess is that the six points will stand.
My thinking is that Leicester must know they have a strong chance of winning this, if they fail there could be a further points deduction?
As they stand they are going down, so a further deduction is meaningless. However an appeal.mag delay proceedings, meaning they don't go down, but start next season on.-6, a far preferable outcome than going down now. They literally have nothing to lose by appealing, so why wouldn't they?
No way will this decision be allowed to drag over until next season, that's the one certainty of the situation.3 -
Delaying the decision though also has a massive impact on West Brom Leicester themselves, Oxford even Blackburn and to some extent us and Pompey. Clubs may go into games playing or settling for a point, or going for a win when a point is only necessary etc because of the uncertainty of the points deduction and then that mentality suddenly switches if there is a change in punishment. Before the end of the season isn’t even quick enough has to be done ASAPkillerandflash said:
They could still stay up though. Just one point behind a very poor WBA, and 2 ahead of Oxford, so it's not as if the 6 point deduction has relegated them already.randy andy said:
I don't follow that logic.ElfsborgAddick said:bobmunro said:killerandflash said:Any club that went down instead of Leicester, would then counter protest, and probably take the EFL to court if that happened.
Yes - and the EFL know that. My guess is that the six points will stand.
My thinking is that Leicester must know they have a strong chance of winning this, if they fail there could be a further points deduction?
As they stand they are going down, so a further deduction is meaningless. However an appeal.mag delay proceedings, meaning they don't go down, but start next season on.-6, a far preferable outcome than going down now. They literally have nothing to lose by appealing, so why wouldn't they?
No way will this decision be allowed to drag over until next season, that's the one certainty of the situation.9 -
That is pretty much what the bloke on TalkSport was saying. He thought that the 9 mill potential fine was based on some formula or another? Can't trust the EFL!!randy andy said:
I don't follow that logic.ElfsborgAddick said:bobmunro said:killerandflash said:Any club that went down instead of Leicester, would then counter protest, and probably take the EFL to court if that happened.
Yes - and the EFL know that. My guess is that the six points will stand.
My thinking is that Leicester must know they have a strong chance of winning this, if they fail there could be a further points deduction?
As they stand they are going down, so a further deduction is meaningless. However an appeal.mag delay proceedings, meaning they don't go down, but start next season on.-6, a far preferable outcome than going down now. They literally have nothing to lose by appealing, so why wouldn't they?0 -
Does anyone know who any potential fine would be paid TO? The EFL?? Just a thought!0
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The price of football pod said Leicester are only applying for a 1 point increase to the points deduction as they were given a 7 point deduction with one point suspended for being cooperative.
The prem are saying that Leicester were far from cooperative as they delayed submitting their accounts so it wouldn't affect the points total in the prem last season.4 -
The EFL are appealing against their own rulingfenaddick said:
Given the EFL were also appealing Leicester can’t really lose by appealing themselvesElfsborgAddick said:bobmunro said:killerandflash said:Any club that went down instead of Leicester, would then counter protest, and probably take the EFL to court if that happened.
Yes - and the EFL know that. My guess is that the six points will stand.
My thinking is that Leicester must know they have a strong chance of winning this, if they fail there could be a further points deduction?
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Well to be fair they could because the ruling is from an independent commission and not from the EFL itself. However, I had misrembered and it was the PL appealingCovered End said:
The EFL are appealing against their own rulingfenaddick said:
Given the EFL were also appealing Leicester can’t really lose by appealing themselvesElfsborgAddick said:bobmunro said:killerandflash said:Any club that went down instead of Leicester, would then counter protest, and probably take the EFL to court if that happened.
Yes - and the EFL know that. My guess is that the six points will stand.
My thinking is that Leicester must know they have a strong chance of winning this, if they fail there could be a further points deduction?0
