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Surely Gavin Carter should be adding that perspective today.superclive98 said:
Almost certainly because they were fans and none since have been.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.0 -
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.0 -
And that is why anything that can help get promotion to the PL should be prioritised; and the cheapest and more effective route of achieving it is to try and fill the Valley for home games to give Nathan and the players as much support as possiblekillerandflash said:
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.2 -
It goes both ways, more positive support but also more negative when generating less revenue tooletthegoodtimesroll said:
And that is why anything that can help get promotion to the PL should be prioritised; and the cheapest and more effective route of achieving it is to try and fill the Valley for home games to give Nathan and the players as much support as possiblekillerandflash said:
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.0 -
Not sure I’m reading that right but I very much doubt the support from fans will be negative because they are having to pay lessllama_child_21cws said:
It goes both ways, more positive support but also more negative when generating less revenue tooletthegoodtimesroll said:
And that is why anything that can help get promotion to the PL should be prioritised; and the cheapest and more effective route of achieving it is to try and fill the Valley for home games to give Nathan and the players as much support as possiblekillerandflash said:
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.0 -
N. Jones has mentioned a few times in interviews about fans booing during games.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Not sure I’m reading that right but I very much doubt the support from fans will be negative because they are having to pay lessllama_child_21cws said:
It goes both ways, more positive support but also more negative when generating less revenue tooletthegoodtimesroll said:
And that is why anything that can help get promotion to the PL should be prioritised; and the cheapest and more effective route of achieving it is to try and fill the Valley for home games to give Nathan and the players as much support as possiblekillerandflash said:
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.
More people in the ground doesn't mean more positive support. It can go both ways as in more negative support too if the game isn't going the way the fans want, Sheff Utd at home for example.0 -
That’s not negative support, that’s realtime constructive feedback which clearly had a positive outcome.llama_child_21cws said:
N. Jones has mentioned a few times in interviews about fans booing during games.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Not sure I’m reading that right but I very much doubt the support from fans will be negative because they are having to pay lessllama_child_21cws said:
It goes both ways, more positive support but also more negative when generating less revenue tooletthegoodtimesroll said:
And that is why anything that can help get promotion to the PL should be prioritised; and the cheapest and more effective route of achieving it is to try and fill the Valley for home games to give Nathan and the players as much support as possiblekillerandflash said:
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.
More people in the ground doesn't mean more positive support. It can go both ways as in more negative support too if the game isn't going the way the fans want, Sheff Utd at home for example.2 -
letthegoodtimesroll said:
And that is why anything that can help get promotion to the PL should be prioritised; and the cheapest and more effective route of achieving it is to try and fill the Valley for home games to give Nathan and the players as much support as possiblekillerandflash said:
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.
Sparrows Lane. Phone rings
Nathan Jones: Morning
Gavin Carter: Hi Nathan, it's good news and bad news
Nathan Jones: Hi Mr Chairman, hit me with it, my faith makes me strong
GC: Good news is we've sold more season tickets
NJ: Great, can't beat a packed out Valley, whats the bad news?
GC: well, we cut prices to sell more season tickets, we sold 3000 more but got less income overall so your transfer budget has been cut
NJ: but our megarich owners will make up the difference, right?
GC: they'd love to but financial fair play rules limite what they can put in as a percentage of income.
NJ: can't you flog more hospitality?
GC: we tried but when we expanded the hospitality seating area we upset a few existing ST holders, one bloke said he was going back to supporting Stoke
NJ: Agh, don't mention Stoke to me. So how can we be the best versions of ourselves with no budget?
GC: we're sure Ahadme and Tanto will do the business for us and there are some really promising kids in the U18s, Nathan? Are you still there Nathan?13 -
Your memory is playing tricks on you. Would this be the Varney that wrote to me to say we were being kicked out of the lower west stand and relocated to the upper west? The same Varney that removed my West Stand parking? The same Murray that fucked us all over by de-listing the shareholdings making them worthless? (I could go on....)blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.4 -
And what exactly is (as I don’t know) the percentage of income restriction you allude to?Henry Irving said:letthegoodtimesroll said:
And that is why anything that can help get promotion to the PL should be prioritised; and the cheapest and more effective route of achieving it is to try and fill the Valley for home games to give Nathan and the players as much support as possiblekillerandflash said:
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.
Sparrows Lane. Phone rings
Nathan Jones: Morning
Gavin Carter: Hi Nathan, it's good news and bad news
Nathan Jones: Hi Mr Chairman, hit me with it, my faith makes me strong
GC: Good news is we've sold more season tickets
NJ: Great, can't beat a packed out Valley, whats the bad news?
GC: well, we cut prices to sell more season tickets, we sold 3000 more but got less income overall so your transfer budget has been cut
NJ: but our megarich owners will make up the difference, right?
GC: they'd love to but financial fair play rules limite what they can put in as a percentage of income.
NJ: can't you flog more hospitality?
GC: we tried but when we expanded the hospitality seating area we upset a few existing ST holders, one bloke said he was going back to supporting Stoke
NJ: Agh, don't mention Stoke to me. So how can we be the best versions of ourselves with no budget?
GC: we're sure Ahadme and Tanto will do the business for us and there are some really promising kids in the U18s, Nathan? Are you still there Nathan?I’m trying to see what scale of adjustment less ticket sale income in absolute terms is.0 -
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Henry Irving said:letthegoodtimesroll said:
And that is why anything that can help get promotion to the PL should be prioritised; and the cheapest and more effective route of achieving it is to try and fill the Valley for home games to give Nathan and the players as much support as possiblekillerandflash said:
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.
Sparrows Lane. Phone rings
Nathan Jones: Morning
Gavin Carter: Hi Nathan, it's good news and bad news
Nathan Jones: Hi Mr Chairman, hit me with it, my faith makes me strong
GC: Good news is we've sold more season tickets
NJ: Great, can't beat a packed out Valley, whats the bad news?
GC: well, we cut prices to sell more season tickets, we sold 3000 more but got less income overall so your transfer budget has been cut
NJ: but our megarich owners will make up the difference, right?
GC: they'd love to but financial fair play rules limite what they can put in as a percentage of income.
NJ: can't you flog more hospitality?
GC: we tried but when we expanded the hospitality seating area we upset a few existing ST holders, one bloke said he was going back to supporting Stoke
NJ: Agh, don't mention Stoke to me. So how can we be the best versions of ourselves with no budget?
GC: we're sure Ahadme and Tanto will do the business for us and there are some really promising kids in the U18s, Nathan? Are you still there Nathan?
Nantwich Town now for my football fix now - ST about £80, sit where I like or wander around the pitch with pint in hand cheering on the mighty Dabbers, and it's a 15 minute drive from home.4 -
We gave away free/cheaper tickets, cheaper pints under TS, had Holden buying drinks for fans as well.End of the day majority of fan satisfaction will come from the football and results not oh my god look we saved a couple of quid on food and pints.
within reason where it’s not impacting the livelihood or ability of fans to attend games we have to prioritise maximising revenue not maximising the capacity. Having 20k watching an Olaofe isn’t as successful as an outcome as 15k watching a Godden0 -
Disagree. You have to price with the alternative spend in mind ie what might an individual or family spend the same sum
on as an alternative use of their free time.We are decreasing likelihood of capturing future generations as the prices creep ever further north.1 -
I find this post really sad. A devoted , longstanding loyal supporter no longer watching his beloved club, as the club without consultation turf him out of his seat, one he has occupied for many years.bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:letthegoodtimesroll said:
And that is why anything that can help get promotion to the PL should be prioritised; and the cheapest and more effective route of achieving it is to try and fill the Valley for home games to give Nathan and the players as much support as possiblekillerandflash said:
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.
Sparrows Lane. Phone rings
Nathan Jones: Morning
Gavin Carter: Hi Nathan, it's good news and bad news
Nathan Jones: Hi Mr Chairman, hit me with it, my faith makes me strong
GC: Good news is we've sold more season tickets
NJ: Great, can't beat a packed out Valley, whats the bad news?
GC: well, we cut prices to sell more season tickets, we sold 3000 more but got less income overall so your transfer budget has been cut
NJ: but our megarich owners will make up the difference, right?
GC: they'd love to but financial fair play rules limite what they can put in as a percentage of income.
NJ: can't you flog more hospitality?
GC: we tried but when we expanded the hospitality seating area we upset a few existing ST holders, one bloke said he was going back to supporting Stoke
NJ: Agh, don't mention Stoke to me. So how can we be the best versions of ourselves with no budget?
GC: we're sure Ahadme and Tanto will do the business for us and there are some really promising kids in the U18s, Nathan? Are you still there Nathan?
Nantwich Town now for my football fix now - ST about £80, sit where I like or wander around the pitch with pint in hand cheering on the mighty Dabbers, and it's a 15 minute drive from home.
I hope you feel able to share on here any reply you receive from the club to your letter.
Shame on you Charlton. A real own goal.1 -
According to ChatGPT our optimal average adult price range is £430 - £470 to maximise revenues. That said their proposed price range is pretty broad (starting at £395 for cheapest early bird ticket up to £600-£700 for the “premium” locations.0
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It's complicated as there so many caveats but IIRC a club can make a loss of £40.5m over three seasons and only spend 80% of it expenditure on player wages (happy to be corrected on this as it changes constantly and I can't be arsed to keep up.)valleynick66 said:
And what exactly is (as I don’t know) the percentage of income restriction you allude to?Henry Irving said:letthegoodtimesroll said:
And that is why anything that can help get promotion to the PL should be prioritised; and the cheapest and more effective route of achieving it is to try and fill the Valley for home games to give Nathan and the players as much support as possiblekillerandflash said:
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.
Sparrows Lane. Phone rings
Nathan Jones: Morning
Gavin Carter: Hi Nathan, it's good news and bad news
Nathan Jones: Hi Mr Chairman, hit me with it, my faith makes me strong
GC: Good news is we've sold more season tickets
NJ: Great, can't beat a packed out Valley, whats the bad news?
GC: well, we cut prices to sell more season tickets, we sold 3000 more but got less income overall so your transfer budget has been cut
NJ: but our megarich owners will make up the difference, right?
GC: they'd love to but financial fair play rules limite what they can put in as a percentage of income.
NJ: can't you flog more hospitality?
GC: we tried but when we expanded the hospitality seating area we upset a few existing ST holders, one bloke said he was going back to supporting Stoke
NJ: Agh, don't mention Stoke to me. So how can we be the best versions of ourselves with no budget?
GC: we're sure Ahadme and Tanto will do the business for us and there are some really promising kids in the U18s, Nathan? Are you still there Nathan?I’m trying to see what scale of adjustment less ticket sale income in absolute terms is.
Essentially, the more money a club generates from tickets, sponsorship, retail, hospitality and player sales the better their player budget can be.
If our income is £6.5m then we can spend £20m a season on average over three seasons on the playing budget ie a £13.5 loss per years which is covered by the owners.
"Our" (ie the owners) losses this season will be £11 to £13m according to the last directors brief although not all of that will have been spent on players.
If you put prices up you might lose sales and so reduce income.
If you bring prices down you might increase sales but reduce income as you've given your 12.5k existing ST a discount before you even start. 12,500 x £100 rebate is 1,250,000. That means you need to sell another 3,125 £400 just to generate the same income.
If you keep prices the same you might fall further behind other clubs who already have bigger budgets.
There is no easy fix to solve this problem.1 -
bolloxbolder said:
I find this post really sad. A devoted , longstanding loyal supporter no longer watching his beloved club, as the club without consultation turf him out of his seat, one he has occupied for many years.bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:letthegoodtimesroll said:
And that is why anything that can help get promotion to the PL should be prioritised; and the cheapest and more effective route of achieving it is to try and fill the Valley for home games to give Nathan and the players as much support as possiblekillerandflash said:
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.
Sparrows Lane. Phone rings
Nathan Jones: Morning
Gavin Carter: Hi Nathan, it's good news and bad news
Nathan Jones: Hi Mr Chairman, hit me with it, my faith makes me strong
GC: Good news is we've sold more season tickets
NJ: Great, can't beat a packed out Valley, whats the bad news?
GC: well, we cut prices to sell more season tickets, we sold 3000 more but got less income overall so your transfer budget has been cut
NJ: but our megarich owners will make up the difference, right?
GC: they'd love to but financial fair play rules limite what they can put in as a percentage of income.
NJ: can't you flog more hospitality?
GC: we tried but when we expanded the hospitality seating area we upset a few existing ST holders, one bloke said he was going back to supporting Stoke
NJ: Agh, don't mention Stoke to me. So how can we be the best versions of ourselves with no budget?
GC: we're sure Ahadme and Tanto will do the business for us and there are some really promising kids in the U18s, Nathan? Are you still there Nathan?
Nantwich Town now for my football fix now - ST about £80, sit where I like or wander around the pitch with pint in hand cheering on the mighty Dabbers, and it's a 15 minute drive from home.
I hope you feel able to share on here any reply you receive from the club to your letter.
Shame on you Charlton. A real own goal.I've got a reply. Apparently I can reserve now any currently available seats in Zone 1 Lower West (probably Blocks C and F which I don't want) and to choose from the attached image (I can't see the image). I replied including this:I’m well aware that I could choose other currently available seats in Zone 1 Lower West now - my point about waiting for the renewal deadline for existing season ticket seats to pass, is the vain hope that better alternatives become available. So, in reality my only choices are going to be seats in Zone 1 Lower West that no other current ST holders wanted! Hobson’s Choice I believe is the appropriate phrase.Finding three decent alternatives together is even more unlikely.In my original reply I inquired about next seasons hospitality plans on the off chance that I might be tempted, even though the journey I have makes arriving two hours before kick-off unrealistic if I'm honest with myself.Buy hey, good news:Because of this change, your current season tickets cannot automatically be renewed in those exact seats under the standard season ticket structure. However, you and your sons would have the option to remain in those seats by upgrading to the relevant hospitality package should that be something you would like to consider.I've instructed them not to waste any more time on me as I won't be renewing. Fuck the club, I'm done.Absolute disgrace.
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That's pathetic from the club...1
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It is.kinveachyaddick said:That's pathetic from the club...
But not totally unexpected
Senior management team is crap2 -
Turfing out supporters is a bold move considering we're far from guaranteed to stay up.
I wonder if entry to the fans bar will be monetised within the review of memberships / new STs.
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FFS ! So the prawn sandwich brigade & increasing their number is paramount in this season ticket fiasco.bobmunro said:bolloxbolder said:
I find this post really sad. A devoted , longstanding loyal supporter no longer watching his beloved club, as the club without consultation turf him out of his seat, one he has occupied for many years.bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:letthegoodtimesroll said:
And that is why anything that can help get promotion to the PL should be prioritised; and the cheapest and more effective route of achieving it is to try and fill the Valley for home games to give Nathan and the players as much support as possiblekillerandflash said:
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.
Sparrows Lane. Phone rings
Nathan Jones: Morning
Gavin Carter: Hi Nathan, it's good news and bad news
Nathan Jones: Hi Mr Chairman, hit me with it, my faith makes me strong
GC: Good news is we've sold more season tickets
NJ: Great, can't beat a packed out Valley, whats the bad news?
GC: well, we cut prices to sell more season tickets, we sold 3000 more but got less income overall so your transfer budget has been cut
NJ: but our megarich owners will make up the difference, right?
GC: they'd love to but financial fair play rules limite what they can put in as a percentage of income.
NJ: can't you flog more hospitality?
GC: we tried but when we expanded the hospitality seating area we upset a few existing ST holders, one bloke said he was going back to supporting Stoke
NJ: Agh, don't mention Stoke to me. So how can we be the best versions of ourselves with no budget?
GC: we're sure Ahadme and Tanto will do the business for us and there are some really promising kids in the U18s, Nathan? Are you still there Nathan?
Nantwich Town now for my football fix now - ST about £80, sit where I like or wander around the pitch with pint in hand cheering on the mighty Dabbers, and it's a 15 minute drive from home.
I hope you feel able to share on here any reply you receive from the club to your letter.
Shame on you Charlton. A real own goal.I've got a reply. Apparently I can reserve now any currently available seats in Zone 1 Lower West (probably Blocks C and F which I don't want) and to choose from the attached image (I can't see the image). I replied including this:I’m well aware that I could choose other currently available seats in Zone 1 Lower West now - my point about waiting for the renewal deadline for existing season ticket seats to pass, is the vain hope that better alternatives become available. So, in reality my only choices are going to be seats in Zone 1 Lower West that no other current ST holders wanted! Hobson’s Choice I believe is the appropriate phrase.Finding three decent alternatives together is even more unlikely.In my original reply I inquired about next seasons hospitality plans on the off chance that I might be tempted, even though the journey I have makes arriving two hours before kick-off unrealistic if I'm honest with myself.Buy hey, good news:Because of this change, your current season tickets cannot automatically be renewed in those exact seats under the standard season ticket structure. However, you and your sons would have the option to remain in those seats by upgrading to the relevant hospitality package should that be something you would like to consider.I've instructed them not to waste any more time on me as I won't be renewing. Fuck the club, I'm done.Absolute disgrace.
I have mentioned the new Membership Scheme which could be the next bombshell to hit the faithful.
Rumours have it that "they" want to bring the club in line with others regarding the purchase of away tickets next season. THIS would definitely put the cat among the pigeons & alienate those who regularly follow our club away from home.
But, no doubt, there will be a respectable gap between the 2 announcements to allow those affected directly by the season ticket/seating issue to recover their equilibrium.. Or maybe not.
Perhaps this is the time to revive that quirky term that Katrien adopted during her reign in SE7.
Think it began with a "C" ....
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‘U’ ‘_’ ‘T’ …and ending with ‘S’ ?Fanny Fanackapan said:
FFS ! So the prawn sandwich brigade & increasing their number is paramount in this season ticket fiasco.bobmunro said:bolloxbolder said:
I find this post really sad. A devoted , longstanding loyal supporter no longer watching his beloved club, as the club without consultation turf him out of his seat, one he has occupied for many years.bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:letthegoodtimesroll said:
And that is why anything that can help get promotion to the PL should be prioritised; and the cheapest and more effective route of achieving it is to try and fill the Valley for home games to give Nathan and the players as much support as possiblekillerandflash said:
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.
Sparrows Lane. Phone rings
Nathan Jones: Morning
Gavin Carter: Hi Nathan, it's good news and bad news
Nathan Jones: Hi Mr Chairman, hit me with it, my faith makes me strong
GC: Good news is we've sold more season tickets
NJ: Great, can't beat a packed out Valley, whats the bad news?
GC: well, we cut prices to sell more season tickets, we sold 3000 more but got less income overall so your transfer budget has been cut
NJ: but our megarich owners will make up the difference, right?
GC: they'd love to but financial fair play rules limite what they can put in as a percentage of income.
NJ: can't you flog more hospitality?
GC: we tried but when we expanded the hospitality seating area we upset a few existing ST holders, one bloke said he was going back to supporting Stoke
NJ: Agh, don't mention Stoke to me. So how can we be the best versions of ourselves with no budget?
GC: we're sure Ahadme and Tanto will do the business for us and there are some really promising kids in the U18s, Nathan? Are you still there Nathan?
Nantwich Town now for my football fix now - ST about £80, sit where I like or wander around the pitch with pint in hand cheering on the mighty Dabbers, and it's a 15 minute drive from home.
I hope you feel able to share on here any reply you receive from the club to your letter.
Shame on you Charlton. A real own goal.I've got a reply. Apparently I can reserve now any currently available seats in Zone 1 Lower West (probably Blocks C and F which I don't want) and to choose from the attached image (I can't see the image). I replied including this:I’m well aware that I could choose other currently available seats in Zone 1 Lower West now - my point about waiting for the renewal deadline for existing season ticket seats to pass, is the vain hope that better alternatives become available. So, in reality my only choices are going to be seats in Zone 1 Lower West that no other current ST holders wanted! Hobson’s Choice I believe is the appropriate phrase.Finding three decent alternatives together is even more unlikely.In my original reply I inquired about next seasons hospitality plans on the off chance that I might be tempted, even though the journey I have makes arriving two hours before kick-off unrealistic if I'm honest with myself.Buy hey, good news:Because of this change, your current season tickets cannot automatically be renewed in those exact seats under the standard season ticket structure. However, you and your sons would have the option to remain in those seats by upgrading to the relevant hospitality package should that be something you would like to consider.I've instructed them not to waste any more time on me as I won't be renewing. Fuck the club, I'm done.Absolute disgrace.
I have mentioned the new Membership Scheme which could be the next bombshell to hit the faithful.
Rumours have it that "they" want to bring the club in line with others regarding the purchase of away tickets next season. THIS would definitely put the cat among the pigeons & alienate those who regularly follow our club away from home.
But, no doubt, there will be a respectable gap between the 2 announcements to allow those affected directly by the season ticket/seating issue to recover their equilibrium.. Or maybe not.
Perhaps this is the time to revive that quirky term that Katrien adopted during her reign in SE7.
Think it began with a "C" ....0 -
Why don't he change to another seat elsewhere in the ground,I have done this a few timesbolloxbolder said:
I find this post really sad. A devoted , longstanding loyal supporter no longer watching his beloved club, as the club without consultation turf him out of his seat, one he has occupied for many years.bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:letthegoodtimesroll said:
And that is why anything that can help get promotion to the PL should be prioritised; and the cheapest and more effective route of achieving it is to try and fill the Valley for home games to give Nathan and the players as much support as possiblekillerandflash said:
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.
Sparrows Lane. Phone rings
Nathan Jones: Morning
Gavin Carter: Hi Nathan, it's good news and bad news
Nathan Jones: Hi Mr Chairman, hit me with it, my faith makes me strong
GC: Good news is we've sold more season tickets
NJ: Great, can't beat a packed out Valley, whats the bad news?
GC: well, we cut prices to sell more season tickets, we sold 3000 more but got less income overall so your transfer budget has been cut
NJ: but our megarich owners will make up the difference, right?
GC: they'd love to but financial fair play rules limite what they can put in as a percentage of income.
NJ: can't you flog more hospitality?
GC: we tried but when we expanded the hospitality seating area we upset a few existing ST holders, one bloke said he was going back to supporting Stoke
NJ: Agh, don't mention Stoke to me. So how can we be the best versions of ourselves with no budget?
GC: we're sure Ahadme and Tanto will do the business for us and there are some really promising kids in the U18s, Nathan? Are you still there Nathan?
Nantwich Town now for my football fix now - ST about £80, sit where I like or wander around the pitch with pint in hand cheering on the mighty Dabbers, and it's a 15 minute drive from home.
I hope you feel able to share on here any reply you receive from the club to your letter.
Shame on you Charlton. A real own goal.0 -
Crossbars was membership only a number of years ago having been free entry when it first opened.Er_Be_Ab_Pl_Wo_Wo_Ch said:Turfing out supporters is a bold move considering we're far from guaranteed to stay up.
I wonder if entry to the fans bar will be monetised within the review of memberships / new STs.
I can't remember when it changed or how much they were charging but suffice to say me, Mum and Dad decided "nah, not worth it".0 -
Sometimes the way something is being done matters more than the actual outcome.doronron said:
Why don't he change to another seat elsewhere in the ground,I have done this a few timesbolloxbolder said:
I find this post really sad. A devoted , longstanding loyal supporter no longer watching his beloved club, as the club without consultation turf him out of his seat, one he has occupied for many years.bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:letthegoodtimesroll said:
And that is why anything that can help get promotion to the PL should be prioritised; and the cheapest and more effective route of achieving it is to try and fill the Valley for home games to give Nathan and the players as much support as possiblekillerandflash said:
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.
Sparrows Lane. Phone rings
Nathan Jones: Morning
Gavin Carter: Hi Nathan, it's good news and bad news
Nathan Jones: Hi Mr Chairman, hit me with it, my faith makes me strong
GC: Good news is we've sold more season tickets
NJ: Great, can't beat a packed out Valley, whats the bad news?
GC: well, we cut prices to sell more season tickets, we sold 3000 more but got less income overall so your transfer budget has been cut
NJ: but our megarich owners will make up the difference, right?
GC: they'd love to but financial fair play rules limite what they can put in as a percentage of income.
NJ: can't you flog more hospitality?
GC: we tried but when we expanded the hospitality seating area we upset a few existing ST holders, one bloke said he was going back to supporting Stoke
NJ: Agh, don't mention Stoke to me. So how can we be the best versions of ourselves with no budget?
GC: we're sure Ahadme and Tanto will do the business for us and there are some really promising kids in the U18s, Nathan? Are you still there Nathan?
Nantwich Town now for my football fix now - ST about £80, sit where I like or wander around the pitch with pint in hand cheering on the mighty Dabbers, and it's a 15 minute drive from home.
I hope you feel able to share on here any reply you receive from the club to your letter.
Shame on you Charlton. A real own goal.
If Bob feels like the club has acted incorrectly, improperly or just plain stupidly then he's within his rights to tell them to stick it and take his money elsewhere where it'll be more appreciated.2 -
Was £50 a year, if I remember rightly.Briston_Addick said:
Crossbars was membership only a number of years ago having been free entry when it first opened.Er_Be_Ab_Pl_Wo_Wo_Ch said:Turfing out supporters is a bold move considering we're far from guaranteed to stay up.
I wonder if entry to the fans bar will be monetised within the review of memberships / new STs.
I can't remember when it changed or how much they were charging but suffice to say me, Mum and Dad decided "nah, not worth it".
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Well worth it for the fantastic serviceEr_Be_Ab_Pl_Wo_Wo_Ch said:
Was £50 a year, if I remember rightly.Briston_Addick said:
Crossbars was membership only a number of years ago having been free entry when it first opened.Er_Be_Ab_Pl_Wo_Wo_Ch said:Turfing out supporters is a bold move considering we're far from guaranteed to stay up.
I wonder if entry to the fans bar will be monetised within the review of memberships / new STs.
I can't remember when it changed or how much they were charging but suffice to say me, Mum and Dad decided "nah, not worth it".3 -
Doesn’t really address my point. I’m not sure a ‘discount’ on ST prices is lost revenue drastically changes our transfer / wages budget given the fluctuation in numbers is unlikely to be a huge number/volume.Henry Irving said:
It's complicated as there so many caveats but IIRC a club can make a loss of £40.5m over three seasons and only spend 80% of it expenditure on player wages (happy to be corrected on this as it changes constantly and I can't be arsed to keep up.)valleynick66 said:
And what exactly is (as I don’t know) the percentage of income restriction you allude to?Henry Irving said:letthegoodtimesroll said:
And that is why anything that can help get promotion to the PL should be prioritised; and the cheapest and more effective route of achieving it is to try and fill the Valley for home games to give Nathan and the players as much support as possiblekillerandflash said:
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.
Sparrows Lane. Phone rings
Nathan Jones: Morning
Gavin Carter: Hi Nathan, it's good news and bad news
Nathan Jones: Hi Mr Chairman, hit me with it, my faith makes me strong
GC: Good news is we've sold more season tickets
NJ: Great, can't beat a packed out Valley, whats the bad news?
GC: well, we cut prices to sell more season tickets, we sold 3000 more but got less income overall so your transfer budget has been cut
NJ: but our megarich owners will make up the difference, right?
GC: they'd love to but financial fair play rules limite what they can put in as a percentage of income.
NJ: can't you flog more hospitality?
GC: we tried but when we expanded the hospitality seating area we upset a few existing ST holders, one bloke said he was going back to supporting Stoke
NJ: Agh, don't mention Stoke to me. So how can we be the best versions of ourselves with no budget?
GC: we're sure Ahadme and Tanto will do the business for us and there are some really promising kids in the U18s, Nathan? Are you still there Nathan?I’m trying to see what scale of adjustment less ticket sale income in absolute terms is.
Essentially, the more money a club generates from tickets, sponsorship, retail, hospitality and player sales the better their player budget can be.
If our income is £6.5m then we can spend £20m a season on average over three seasons on the playing budget ie a £13.5 loss per years which is covered by the owners.
"Our" (ie the owners) losses this season will be £11 to £13m according to the last directors brief although not all of that will have been spent on players.
If you put prices up you might lose sales and so reduce income.
If you bring prices down you might increase sales but reduce income as you've given your 12.5k existing ST a discount before you even start. 12,500 x £100 rebate is 1,250,000. That means you need to sell another 3,125 £400 just to generate the same income.
If you keep prices the same you might fall further behind other clubs who already have bigger budgets.
There is no easy fix to solve this problem.However pricing with your supporters budget in mind is the main factor in at least maintaining numbers.0 -
@bobmunro has been priced out with others......bolloxbolder said:
I find this post really sad. A devoted , longstanding loyal supporter no longer watching his beloved club, as the club without consultation turf him out of his seat, one he has occupied for many years.bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:letthegoodtimesroll said:
And that is why anything that can help get promotion to the PL should be prioritised; and the cheapest and more effective route of achieving it is to try and fill the Valley for home games to give Nathan and the players as much support as possiblekillerandflash said:
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.
Sparrows Lane. Phone rings
Nathan Jones: Morning
Gavin Carter: Hi Nathan, it's good news and bad news
Nathan Jones: Hi Mr Chairman, hit me with it, my faith makes me strong
GC: Good news is we've sold more season tickets
NJ: Great, can't beat a packed out Valley, whats the bad news?
GC: well, we cut prices to sell more season tickets, we sold 3000 more but got less income overall so your transfer budget has been cut
NJ: but our megarich owners will make up the difference, right?
GC: they'd love to but financial fair play rules limite what they can put in as a percentage of income.
NJ: can't you flog more hospitality?
GC: we tried but when we expanded the hospitality seating area we upset a few existing ST holders, one bloke said he was going back to supporting Stoke
NJ: Agh, don't mention Stoke to me. So how can we be the best versions of ourselves with no budget?
GC: we're sure Ahadme and Tanto will do the business for us and there are some really promising kids in the U18s, Nathan? Are you still there Nathan?
Nantwich Town now for my football fix now - ST about £80, sit where I like or wander around the pitch with pint in hand cheering on the mighty Dabbers, and it's a 15 minute drive from home.
I hope you feel able to share on here any reply you receive from the club to your letter.
Shame on you Charlton. A real own goal.1 -
So if I follow correctly you are being told you can only stay in your seats if you upgrade to hospitality and no suggestion if a discount to incentivise that?bobmunro said:bolloxbolder said:
I find this post really sad. A devoted , longstanding loyal supporter no longer watching his beloved club, as the club without consultation turf him out of his seat, one he has occupied for many years.bobmunro said:Henry Irving said:letthegoodtimesroll said:
And that is why anything that can help get promotion to the PL should be prioritised; and the cheapest and more effective route of achieving it is to try and fill the Valley for home games to give Nathan and the players as much support as possiblekillerandflash said:
To be fair, player wages are way higher in real terms than they were back in the 90s when we were building the club up.blackpool72 said:
To be perfectly honest I don't think our owners and SMT have understood our fanbase since the days of Murray, Simmons and Varney.AFKABartram said:Club have done a lot of good last couple of years and that should not be dismissed, but the one nagging gap I think is there is I never think they really understand our fanbase and the intricacies of football support.
In those days we seemed to have a much closer relationship.
In the Championship, the wages and budgets are ludicrous now, requiring deep pockets from the owners.
Sparrows Lane. Phone rings
Nathan Jones: Morning
Gavin Carter: Hi Nathan, it's good news and bad news
Nathan Jones: Hi Mr Chairman, hit me with it, my faith makes me strong
GC: Good news is we've sold more season tickets
NJ: Great, can't beat a packed out Valley, whats the bad news?
GC: well, we cut prices to sell more season tickets, we sold 3000 more but got less income overall so your transfer budget has been cut
NJ: but our megarich owners will make up the difference, right?
GC: they'd love to but financial fair play rules limite what they can put in as a percentage of income.
NJ: can't you flog more hospitality?
GC: we tried but when we expanded the hospitality seating area we upset a few existing ST holders, one bloke said he was going back to supporting Stoke
NJ: Agh, don't mention Stoke to me. So how can we be the best versions of ourselves with no budget?
GC: we're sure Ahadme and Tanto will do the business for us and there are some really promising kids in the U18s, Nathan? Are you still there Nathan?
Nantwich Town now for my football fix now - ST about £80, sit where I like or wander around the pitch with pint in hand cheering on the mighty Dabbers, and it's a 15 minute drive from home.
I hope you feel able to share on here any reply you receive from the club to your letter.
Shame on you Charlton. A real own goal.I've got a reply. Apparently I can reserve now any currently available seats in Zone 1 Lower West (probably Blocks C and F which I don't want) and to choose from the attached image (I can't see the image). I replied including this:I’m well aware that I could choose other currently available seats in Zone 1 Lower West now - my point about waiting for the renewal deadline for existing season ticket seats to pass, is the vain hope that better alternatives become available. So, in reality my only choices are going to be seats in Zone 1 Lower West that no other current ST holders wanted! Hobson’s Choice I believe is the appropriate phrase.Finding three decent alternatives together is even more unlikely.In my original reply I inquired about next seasons hospitality plans on the off chance that I might be tempted, even though the journey I have makes arriving two hours before kick-off unrealistic if I'm honest with myself.Buy hey, good news:Because of this change, your current season tickets cannot automatically be renewed in those exact seats under the standard season ticket structure. However, you and your sons would have the option to remain in those seats by upgrading to the relevant hospitality package should that be something you would like to consider.I've instructed them not to waste any more time on me as I won't be renewing. Fuck the club, I'm done.Absolute disgrace.
Alternatively you move to other seats in Zone 1 which aren’t already ST holders and again no discount / incentive.What was the suggestion of turning up in person later in March all about then ? Just a hard sell on hospitality?0
