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Championship playoffs to expand to six teams? (Confirmed from next season, pg 3)
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Not a chance. Who's going to vote for that?WSS said:PL1 and PL2 with 12 teams each in the next five years. Rest of the pyramid regionalised.0 -
Of course they went for it, greedy cnutz...1
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It was 22 points last season.LargeAddick said:
I think the current format is slightly flawed in that the team finishing third plays the team finishing sixth who could have finished say 12 points behind them. I think in such an instance it should be a one off game between them with, obviously, the team finishing third being at home. There needs to be a reward for consistency over the season.Callumcafc said:
Yeah of course the games still have to be played.killerandflash said:
It doesn't always work like that. The lower teams can get real momentum from winning their first game, e.g. in the NL playoffs last season, where the final was between 2 of the teams playing the QF.Callumcafc said:The change would be the worst for teams who finish 5th and 6th who would now have to play an extra game that they otherwise didn’t have to.
Teams in 3rd and 4th won’t have the same problem, making it even more critical to finish as high up as possible. It would be a big bonus for the team in 3rd if they ended up against 8th rather than 6th for example.
There’s been 2 or 3 instances in almost 10 years of that format where the extra team has made it to the final. And on one occasion that team has won (Grimsby 2024). It will happen less often in a system where the semi-finals are two legged affairs and the better teams have 180 minutes to overcome an opponent.
I don’t expect the change to make a significant difference to the actual results of the playoffs so pretty pointless overall, other than a bit of extra money for the EFL.
If someone is anti the expansion because it could result in a team who don’t deserve promotion being promoted, it’s not much of a stretch to say they should also oppose the format as it already exists and go straight to a three up, three down format.
Ultimately the current system works well so why the need to mend something that isn't broken.
Sheffield united could've not played the last 7 games and Bristol city would've still not caught them.
Surely Sheffield united should start with an advantage.
Id like to see a goal for every 10 points.
I don't really see a difference if 4 in the play offs or 6 as it is.
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Imagine you are an Ipswich fan and you miss automatic promotion by a single point & then get drawn against Charlton who finished 8th on GD and some 20 points behind you.NabySarr said:Not sure why so many are against this.
The current play offs are great. 2 legged semi finals and then a final Wembley. We still have all of those things, but we now have an extra round that will make the end of the league season much more exciting and have less dead rubbers
Just look at the league table now, would be a crazy finish to the season for loads of teams trying to get to 8th, most of which will instead play out quite a boring next 2 months instead
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Even in our current poor form we'd be 10 points off the playoffs next season.5
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I don't mind it, gives us more to play for!0
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Be interesting to see what impact it has going forward, on whether 7th / 8th actually get promoted too often.Probably rescues the likes of Southampton / Sheffield United etc. a bit more if a team like them end up having more of a torrid season - The last team who got promoted from 6th in the Play-Offs were apparently Blackpool in 2010.Its League One / League Two where I could see the difference being more noticeable, which is good that they've not implemented it there0
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It devalues the regular season which is a massive problem in American sports.NabySarr said:Not sure why so many are against this.
The current play offs are great. 2 legged semi finals and then a final Wembley. We still have all of those things, but we now have an extra round that will make the end of the league season much more exciting and have less dead rubbers
Just look at the league table now, would be a crazy finish to the season for loads of teams trying to get to 8th, most of which will instead play out quite a boring next 2 months instead
If you're 3rd, you could potentially be 15-20 points ahead of 9th. At that point you're just waiting for the season to end.3 -
That still happens in the current system though? Look at last seasons final table. If you want them to just scrap the play offs full stop and have 3 automatic places then fair enough. But I really don’t see why this new play off system is any worse than the current onegolfaddick said:
Imagine you are an Ipswich fan and you miss automatic promotion by a single point & then get drawn against Charlton who finished 8th on GD and some 20 points behind you.NabySarr said:Not sure why so many are against this.
The current play offs are great. 2 legged semi finals and then a final Wembley. We still have all of those things, but we now have an extra round that will make the end of the league season much more exciting and have less dead rubbers
Just look at the league table now, would be a crazy finish to the season for loads of teams trying to get to 8th, most of which will instead play out quite a boring next 2 months instead4 -
At the end of the day this change benefits us because we are far more likely to finish 7th/8th than we would 5th/6th. But why we had to change it in the first place I have no clue3
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In the short term maybe but in the longer term being promoted with a weak squad and then getting pumped every week just sets you up to do a LutonCrispywood said:At the end of the day this change benefits us because we are far more likely to finish 7th/8th than we would 5th/6th. But why we had to change it in the first place I have no clue2 -
Luton didn't get pumped every week though did they?fenaddick said:
In the short term maybe but in the longer term being promoted with a weak squad and then getting pumped every week just sets you up to do a LutonCrispywood said:At the end of the day this change benefits us because we are far more likely to finish 7th/8th than we would 5th/6th. But why we had to change it in the first place I have no clue
Of course, it hasn't worked out for them and they're back in the third tier but I bet their supporters enjoyed their season mixing it with the big boys.
I'd certainly take one more season up there (but maybe that's someone approaching their half-century and getting a bit nostalgic speaking)0 -
How many times has that happened though besides Luton and Sunderland. Look at the likes of Norwich, Fulham, Watford, Southampton, Ipswich (this year) a lot more teams go back up or at the very least stay in the championship opposed to hit free fall and go relegation then another relegationfenaddick said:
In the short term maybe but in the longer term being promoted with a weak squad and then getting pumped every week just sets you up to do a LutonCrispywood said:At the end of the day this change benefits us because we are far more likely to finish 7th/8th than we would 5th/6th. But why we had to change it in the first place I have no clue1 -
Palace 'sneaked' into the Premier League via the play-offs in 2012-13 beating Brighton over two legs and then Zola's Watford in the final - beating better sides on both occasions and have stayed their since with some smart managerial appointments, sacking the poor ones quickly enough, making some good signings and enjoying plenty of luck.
Obviously the gap between the Prem and Championship has grown since then and it would be a huge task to stay up if promoted by not impossible IMO
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Thinking back you’re right that they didn’t get pumped but I would rather have an extra year or two in the Championship than take back to back relegationskinveachyaddick said:
Luton didn't get pumped every week though did they?fenaddick said:
In the short term maybe but in the longer term being promoted with a weak squad and then getting pumped every week just sets you up to do a LutonCrispywood said:At the end of the day this change benefits us because we are far more likely to finish 7th/8th than we would 5th/6th. But why we had to change it in the first place I have no clue
Of course, it hasn't worked out for them and they're back in the third tier but I bet their supporters enjoyed their season mixing it with the big boys.
I'd certainly take one more season up there (but maybe that's someone approaching their half-century and getting a bit nostalgic speaking)2 -
But the point is about how well built the team is for the Championship. Luton probably got promoted before they were ready, those other teams didn’tCrispywood said:
How many times has that happened though besides Luton and Sunderland. Look at the likes of Norwich, Fulham, Watford, Southampton, Ipswich (this year) a lot more teams go back up or at the very least stay in the championship opposed to hit free fall and go relegation then another relegationfenaddick said:
In the short term maybe but in the longer term being promoted with a weak squad and then getting pumped every week just sets you up to do a LutonCrispywood said:At the end of the day this change benefits us because we are far more likely to finish 7th/8th than we would 5th/6th. But why we had to change it in the first place I have no clue0 -
Ipswich did back to back promotions how is that more ready than a Luton side who had 4 years of building up from avoiding relegation to midtable to playoffs to promotionfenaddick said:
But the point is about how well built the team is for the Championship. Luton probably got promoted before they were ready, those other teams didn’tCrispywood said:
How many times has that happened though besides Luton and Sunderland. Look at the likes of Norwich, Fulham, Watford, Southampton, Ipswich (this year) a lot more teams go back up or at the very least stay in the championship opposed to hit free fall and go relegation then another relegationfenaddick said:
In the short term maybe but in the longer term being promoted with a weak squad and then getting pumped every week just sets you up to do a LutonCrispywood said:At the end of the day this change benefits us because we are far more likely to finish 7th/8th than we would 5th/6th. But why we had to change it in the first place I have no clue0 -
Because the Luton squad was successful more due to spirit than technical quality. Ipswich spent aggressively to go up which meant they had top end Championship/lower end PL talent to either sell or rely on this year. Luton currently have a squad in L1 with players who played in the PL for them, lots of them are playing for us towards the bottom of the Championship and lots are at lower levels still. Off the top of my head Carlton Morris, Alice Doughty and Ross Barkley are the only players from their PL squad playing at the top end of the Championship and above 2 seasons later.Crispywood said:
Ipswich did back to back promotions how is that more ready than a Luton side who had 4 years of building up from avoiding relegation to midtable to playoffs to promotionfenaddick said:
But the point is about how well built the team is for the Championship. Luton probably got promoted before they were ready, those other teams didn’tCrispywood said:
How many times has that happened though besides Luton and Sunderland. Look at the likes of Norwich, Fulham, Watford, Southampton, Ipswich (this year) a lot more teams go back up or at the very least stay in the championship opposed to hit free fall and go relegation then another relegationfenaddick said:
In the short term maybe but in the longer term being promoted with a weak squad and then getting pumped every week just sets you up to do a LutonCrispywood said:At the end of the day this change benefits us because we are far more likely to finish 7th/8th than we would 5th/6th. But why we had to change it in the first place I have no clue0 -
Ridiculous how can a team finishing 8th be worthy of promotion. It will just water down the quality of the premiership. Plus it will make those regularly at the bottom end of the premierships more safer.
I know we have benefited from it but i have never been a lover of the play offs, If after 42/46 games the top 3 should go up....yeah i know all the talk it keeps the season going, day out at wembley blah blah but isnt for me.1 -
Going by that we wouldn't have been promoted in '98 or '25.Chippycafc said:Ridiculous how can a team finishing 8th be worthy of promotion. It will just water down the quality of the premiership. Plus it will make those regularly at the bottom end of the premierships more safer.
I know we have benefited from it but i have never been a lover of the play offs, If after 42/46 games the top 3 should go up....yeah i know all the talk it keeps the season going, day out at wembley blah blah but isnt for me.0 -
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I don't understand why we need to stick with a league format at all.
Instead let's start the season with all 24 teams in a play-off. Organise it so 2 teams are eliminated each month, leaving the 6 survivors to contest a grand play off competition in May.
It's the future. Just wait and see4 -
Agree as i said i know we benefited but i dont change my views just cos it suits us occasionally. And 2019.kinveachyaddick said:
Going by that we wouldn't have been promoted in '98 or '25.Chippycafc said:Ridiculous how can a team finishing 8th be worthy of promotion. It will just water down the quality of the premiership. Plus it will make those regularly at the bottom end of the premierships more safer.
I know we have benefited from it but i have never been a lover of the play offs, If after 42/46 games the top 3 should go up....yeah i know all the talk it keeps the season going, day out at wembley blah blah but isnt for me.1 -
No we came third in 2019Chippycafc said:
Agree as i said i know we benefited but i dont change my views just cos it suits us occasionally. And 2019.kinveachyaddick said:
Going by that we wouldn't have been promoted in '98 or '25.Chippycafc said:Ridiculous how can a team finishing 8th be worthy of promotion. It will just water down the quality of the premiership. Plus it will make those regularly at the bottom end of the premierships more safer.
I know we have benefited from it but i have never been a lover of the play offs, If after 42/46 games the top 3 should go up....yeah i know all the talk it keeps the season going, day out at wembley blah blah but isnt for me.0 -
Yeah but let’s make them all do it naked and from a castle in Wales and have it officiated by Ant, Dec, that bloke who had a trial for Brentford (and doesn’t stop talking about it) & Holly Willobooby….Sounds ace, I hope they fit enough betting adverts in…Fortune 82nd Minute said:I don't understand why we need to stick with a league format at all.
Instead let's start the season with all 24 teams in a play-off. Organise it so 2 teams are eliminated each month, leaving the 6 survivors to contest a grand play off competition in May.
It's the future. Just wait and see1 -
All done for the benefit of the betting companies. Games gone!1
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First paragraph nails it.Chippycafc said:Ridiculous how can a team finishing 8th be worthy of promotion. It will just water down the quality of the premiership. Plus it will make those regularly at the bottom end of the premierships more safer.
I know we have benefited from it but i have never been a lover of the play offs, If after 42/46 games the top 3 should go up....yeah i know all the talk it keeps the season going, day out at wembley blah blah but isnt for me.1 -
Correct and should have gone up automatically in my view.bolloxbolder said:
No we came third in 2019Chippycafc said:
Agree as i said i know we benefited but i dont change my views just cos it suits us occasionally. And 2019.kinveachyaddick said:
Going by that we wouldn't have been promoted in '98 or '25.Chippycafc said:Ridiculous how can a team finishing 8th be worthy of promotion. It will just water down the quality of the premiership. Plus it will make those regularly at the bottom end of the premierships more safer.
I know we have benefited from it but i have never been a lover of the play offs, If after 42/46 games the top 3 should go up....yeah i know all the talk it keeps the season going, day out at wembley blah blah but isnt for me.0 -
Because it probably won't stop there. Before we know it, it will be 8 teams. The Americanisation of our once great game won't stop.NabySarr said:Not sure why so many are against this.
The current play offs are great. 2 legged semi finals and then a final Wembley. We still have all of those things, but we now have an extra round that will make the end of the league season much more exciting and have less dead rubbers
Just look at the league table now, would be a crazy finish to the season for loads of teams trying to get to 8th, most of which will instead play out quite a boring next 2 months instead
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You are in no position to talk about the playoffs given what you did the time before last.NabySarr said:Not sure why so many are against this.
The current play offs are great. 2 legged semi finals and then a final Wembley. We still have all of those things, but we now have an extra round that will make the end of the league season much more exciting and have less dead rubbers
Just look at the league table now, would be a crazy finish to the season for loads of teams trying to get to 8th, most of which will instead play out quite a boring next 2 months instead2 -
What was the result of the CAST vote?0
