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Championship playoffs to expand to six teams? (Confirmed from next season, pg 3)

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  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,393
    edited March 5
    Why dont they just split the divisions in half and make the top half go up and the bottom half go down and be done with it.

    That would make some great end of day games for the public, (plus a lot of dead games way before the end) if they want drama and move the money about a bit more fairer.

    And the season can finish at the beginning of May and we can all go off for a nice break.
  • RaplhMilne
    RaplhMilne Posts: 4,685
    edited March 5
    As so many of our fans believe that our poor results are always down to our low budget, i think we should knock playing the games on the head, An have a kind of Apprentice situation where the players and staff have to build a budget. those with most wonga get promoted. 

    Was happy the way it is, not keen on going down to 8th. Even though would likely be to the benefit of little old no money us.
  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 17,046
    edited March 5
    EveshamAddick said:
    What was the result of the CAST vote?
    78% against:

     https://www.castrust.org/2026/03/strong-fan-opposition-to-proposed-play-off-changes/

    We shared the results with the club before the vote - they thanked us and said they were “interesting and informative”. We don’t know how they voted. 

  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 33,554
    NabySarr said:
    Not sure why so many are against this.

    The current play offs are great. 2 legged semi finals and then a final Wembley. We still have all of those things, but we now have an extra round that will make the end of the league season much more exciting and have less dead rubbers

    Just look at the league table now, would be a crazy finish to the season for loads of teams trying to get to 8th, most of which will instead play out quite a boring next 2 months instead 
    I just don’t like the idea that a team that has been consistent through the season and finishes third could lose out to an inconsistent team that finishes 8th and could be say 20 points behind. A reward for failure is how I see it.
  • Major
    Major Posts: 1,090
    The more the yanks put their money in, the more they seem to want to change to their pro sports/TV arrangements. Play-offs are the big money spinner.
    What comes next from them? No Relegation? If you want to be in the 'Bigs', you have to stump up Bilions for the Franchise.
  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,649
    No point bemoaning it, it's done. I suppose it will give more clubs a chance of making a few quid by playing more games and keeping interest alive, the downside is player tiredness, a shorter 'close season' and perhaps too many games will cheese fans off and will end up killing the golden goose, excuse the mixed metaphors
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 27,292
    Complete disregard for the opinion of fans, or as we’re referred to, ‘legacy fans’. Football is broken. It has been in the PL for some time and now it’s spreading. 
  • DyerConsequences
    DyerConsequences Posts: 2,918
    Tranmere the only side to vote against it. 4 abstained, 67 in favour.



  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 98,803
    edited March 6
    The Red Robin said:
    Complete disregard for the opinion of fans, or as we’re referred to, ‘legacy fans’. Football is broken. It has been in the PL for some time and now it’s spreading. 
    Trouble is... How many of the 78% will complain if we get promoted from 8th next year?
    Its not nice that the owners are completely disregarding our opinion... but the quote "Give them bread and circuses" springs to mind - The owners want to try and make more money, and this is an easier way to achieve it, they also know the fans want to see their side winning and promoted, this too is an easier way to provide it.
  • mascot88
    mascot88 Posts: 9,965
    Charlton are pioneers - 

    First Sub
    First Playoff winners 

    Lump on now - this has us finishing 8th and going up written all over it 

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  • aliwibble
    aliwibble Posts: 28,764
    And getting record low points total the year afterwards?
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 33,554
    Tom Wallin made some good points on Louis Mendez pre match podcast. Can't remember exactly but the season Sheffield Utd got promoted in second place the team finishing eighth was 33 points behind them. Sheff Utd got battered practically every week in the PL, winning only twice I think, and came straight back down with a whimper. Can you imagine how the team finishing eighth would fare if promoted?
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 65,868
    Some interesting comments from Gavin Carter in Rich Cawley’s latest article explaining why they joined all 23 other Championship clubs to vote in favour of the change.
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 10,072
    shirty5 said:
    Would have been more shocked if it would have not gone through. Owners want Premier League football and this gives them more of an opportunity 
    It doesn't give them more of an opportunity at all. The possibility of promotion is the same overall : 5th and 6th decrease their chances to the benefit of 7th and 8th, that's all.
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 10,072
    NabySarr said:
    Not sure why so many are against this.

    The current play offs are great. 2 legged semi finals and then a final Wembley. We still have all of those things, but we now have an extra round that will make the end of the league season much more exciting and have less dead rubbers

    Just look at the league table now, would be a crazy finish to the season for loads of teams trying to get to 8th, most of which will instead play out quite a boring next 2 months instead 

    I'm against it because the more teams you open it up to, the lower your chances of winning it.

    If this simple mathematical fact weren't true then why not open up, down to 21st place to avoid 'dead rubbers'?

    Anyway, I thought the semi finals would now be 1 leg. Isn't that the case?
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 33,554
    jimmymelrose said:
    NabySarr said:
    Not sure why so many are against this.

    The current play offs are great. 2 legged semi finals and then a final Wembley. We still have all of those things, but we now have an extra round that will make the end of the league season much more exciting and have less dead rubbers

    Just look at the league table now, would be a crazy finish to the season for loads of teams trying to get to 8th, most of which will instead play out quite a boring next 2 months instead 

    I'm against it because the more teams you open it up to, the lower your chances of winning it.

    If this simple mathematical fact weren't true then why not open up, down to 21st place to avoid 'dead rubbers'?

    Anyway, I thought the semi finals would now be 1 leg. Isn't that the case?
    No, semi finals will still be two legs.
  • letthegoodtimesroll
    letthegoodtimesroll Posts: 11,188
    jimmymelrose said:
    NabySarr said:
    Not sure why so many are against this.

    The current play offs are great. 2 legged semi finals and then a final Wembley. We still have all of those things, but we now have an extra round that will make the end of the league season much more exciting and have less dead rubbers

    Just look at the league table now, would be a crazy finish to the season for loads of teams trying to get to 8th, most of which will instead play out quite a boring next 2 months instead 

    I'm against it because the more teams you open it up to, the lower your chances of winning it.

    If this simple mathematical fact weren't true then why not open up, down to 21st place to avoid 'dead rubbers'?

    Anyway, I thought the semi finals would now be 1 leg. Isn't that the case?
    You lower your chances of winning the playoffs by not ensuring you are the form team going into them, not by how many teams are in them
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 10,072
    Yes, and this is one reason why I’m against the change. A team in 8th can be average all season and go up by great form in their last 8 games. It’s taking it too far imo. I see no reason to do it but for money.
  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,545
    I don't see why any team who are not one of the yoyo clubs would vote against it... Better chance of making the prem
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 10,072
    Jeeez. How are so many people on here so bad at calculating probability.  It doesn’t increase anyone's chances of reaching the Premier League.

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  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 33,554
    jimmymelrose said:
    Jeeez. How are so many people on here so bad at calculating probability.  It doesn’t increase anyone's chances of reaching the Premier League.
    Except the teams that finish 7th & 8th. They have zero chance at the moment.
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 10,072
    Yes, but you don't know where you going to finish at the start of the season. You could finish 5th or 6th and therefore have a lower chance than currently.
    Voting for this on the basis that you'll have a greater chance is nonsense.
  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,545
    jimmymelrose said:
    Yes, but you don't know where you going to finish at the start of the season. You could finish 5th or 6th and therefore have a lower chance than currently.
    Voting for this on the basis that you'll have a greater chance is nonsense.
    It's not though is it... If everyone was on a level playing field and had the same players, yes id agree. If you look at wage expenditure vs where you finish in the league, there is a strong correlation. The difference in points between 6th and 9th is often quite tight. For anyone outside of the yoyo teams/teams that spend big, playoffs going down to 8th undoubtedly increases the chance of promotion and I'd say to suggest it doesn't is nonsense.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 65,868
    edited March 21
    CAFCsayer said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    Yes, but you don't know where you going to finish at the start of the season. You could finish 5th or 6th and therefore have a lower chance than currently.
    Voting for this on the basis that you'll have a greater chance is nonsense.
    It's not though is it... If everyone was on a level playing field and had the same players, yes id agree. If you look at wage expenditure vs where you finish in the league, there is a strong correlation. The difference in points between 6th and 9th is often quite tight. For anyone outside of the yoyo teams/teams that spend big, playoffs going down to 8th undoubtedly increases the chance of promotion and I'd say to suggest it doesn't is nonsense.
    Put it this way, next season everyone will be happy about this change with the exception of the teams who end up in 5th and 6th. They’ll be thinking “ffs we have an extra game to play”

    Those teams are the ones most disadvantaged. We don’t know who they are yet - they could even be us.

    There’s only ever three promotion places, it doesn’t matter how they’re decided, you can’t magic extra promotion probability out of thin air, statistics just don’t work like that. All this does is spread the existing probabilities across a wider range of teams.

    The assumption is we’ll be a bottom half or mid table team next year so our chances might increase from 2% to 2.1%. But if we turn out to have a good season and finish 6th, our chances from that point forward go down from 15-20% to 10-15%, as an example.

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