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Leicester City deducted 6 points with immediate effect - club & Prem both appealing (p4)
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I don’t understand. Why would Leiscester apply for a 1 point increase in penalty, even if it is suspended.moutuakilla said:The price of football pod said Leicester are only applying for a 1 point increase to the points deduction as they were given a 7 point deduction with one point suspended for being cooperative.
The prem are saying that Leicester were far from cooperative as they delayed submitting their accounts so it wouldn't affect the points total in the prem last season.1 -
Think OP meant the PL rather than LeicesterBalladMan said:
I don’t understand. Why would Leiscester apply for a 1 point increase in penalty, even if it is suspended.moutuakilla said:The price of football pod said Leicester are only applying for a 1 point increase to the points deduction as they were given a 7 point deduction with one point suspended for being cooperative.
The prem are saying that Leicester were far from cooperative as they delayed submitting their accounts so it wouldn't affect the points total in the prem last season.2 -
Yes, I did!fenaddick said:
Think OP meant the PL rather than LeicesterBalladMan said:
I don’t understand. Why would Leiscester apply for a 1 point increase in penalty, even if it is suspended.moutuakilla said:The price of football pod said Leicester are only applying for a 1 point increase to the points deduction as they were given a 7 point deduction with one point suspended for being cooperative.
The prem are saying that Leicester were far from cooperative as they delayed submitting their accounts so it wouldn't affect the points total in the prem last season.1 -
Methven did an interesting podcast on the whole situation. Apparently it should have been 9-12 points deduction but relegation could be a catalyst for Leceister going under permanently which is why they had to find a line between not letting them off but not giving them too harsh a punishment to give them a chance of staying up1
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Sorry but a club "going under" shouldn't come into it, if they've put themselves in that situation by overspending then that's on them.Crispywood said:Methven did an interesting podcast on the whole situation. Apparently it should have been 9-12 points deduction but relegation could be a catalyst for Leceister going under permanently which is why they had to find a line between not letting them off but not giving them too harsh a punishment to give them a chance of staying up
If I have a burger joint and I've massively overspent on Michelin star level chefs and world class Maître D's but we're failing as an establishment, you don't get bailed out, you get into debt and get shut down.
Football needs a big name to go to the wall to open up their eyes, sadly I don't think it'll be enough to change the landscape though32 -
sam3110 said:
Sorry but a club "going under" shouldn't come into it, if they've put themselves in that situation by overspending then that's on them.Crispywood said:Methven did an interesting podcast on the whole situation. Apparently it should have been 9-12 points deduction but relegation could be a catalyst for Leceister going under permanently which is why they had to find a line between not letting them off but not giving them too harsh a punishment to give them a chance of staying up
If I have a burger joint and I've massively overspent on Michelin star level chefs and world class Maître D's but we're failing as an establishment, you don't get bailed out, you get into debt and get shut down.
Football needs a big name to go to the wall to open up their eyes, sadly I don't think it'll be enough to change the landscape though
Leicester have done this before, although under differen ownership. The company that built their shiny new stadium, Birse, went bust because they didnt get paid.1 -
I think the 6 pt deduction will remain as it was made by an independent body. If points are returned or added it opens up legal action. Most people thought six points was generous and really more should be added but it is going to be about what is going to be less problematic.0
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"Burger joint"sam3110 said:
Sorry but a club "going under" shouldn't come into it, if they've put themselves in that situation by overspending then that's on them.Crispywood said:Methven did an interesting podcast on the whole situation. Apparently it should have been 9-12 points deduction but relegation could be a catalyst for Leceister going under permanently which is why they had to find a line between not letting them off but not giving them too harsh a punishment to give them a chance of staying up
If I have a burger joint and I've massively overspent on Michelin star level chefs and world class Maître D's but we're failing as an establishment, you don't get bailed out, you get into debt and get shut down.
Football needs a big name to go to the wall to open up their eyes, sadly I don't think it'll be enough to change the landscape though
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Have I missed anything I was freshening up in the restroomMickeyBennett said:
"Burger joint"sam3110 said:
Sorry but a club "going under" shouldn't come into it, if they've put themselves in that situation by overspending then that's on them.Crispywood said:Methven did an interesting podcast on the whole situation. Apparently it should have been 9-12 points deduction but relegation could be a catalyst for Leceister going under permanently which is why they had to find a line between not letting them off but not giving them too harsh a punishment to give them a chance of staying up
If I have a burger joint and I've massively overspent on Michelin star level chefs and world class Maître D's but we're failing as an establishment, you don't get bailed out, you get into debt and get shut down.
Football needs a big name to go to the wall to open up their eyes, sadly I don't think it'll be enough to change the landscape though1 -
And they've been happy to stick the boot into Sheffield Wednesday, a club in way more trouble.sam3110 said:
Sorry but a club "going under" shouldn't come into it, if they've put themselves in that situation by overspending then that's on them.Crispywood said:Methven did an interesting podcast on the whole situation. Apparently it should have been 9-12 points deduction but relegation could be a catalyst for Leceister going under permanently which is why they had to find a line between not letting them off but not giving them too harsh a punishment to give them a chance of staying up
If I have a burger joint and I've massively overspent on Michelin star level chefs and world class Maître D's but we're failing as an establishment, you don't get bailed out, you get into debt and get shut down.
Football needs a big name to go to the wall to open up their eyes, sadly I don't think it'll be enough to change the landscape though
If Leicester went into administration, someone would buy them, they're still an attractive club.4 -
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My hunch is that either the 6 point penalty will be upheld or it will be increased to 7 because of the late filing of Leicester's accounts - presumably they did that to avoid a points penalty in the Premier League last season. Leicester may have made an attempt to turn things around since - they could hardly do anything different - but the late filing of accounts sits very uncomfortably with what was a 1 point deduction from the original penalty of 7.
Kieran Maguire said on 'The Price of Football' that he had spoken to a number of lawyers and he thought the two grounds of Leicester's appeal were likely to be that:
- the points deduction offends the principle that regulations should not be imposed with retrospective effect. The problem with that argument is that the PL and EPL agreed that they would each pursue redress against clubs that had fallen foul of the other's financial rules where such clubs had moved between the PL and EFL and therefore out of the relevant league's jurisdiction. That is not the same as 'moving the goal posts' in relation to the relevant breaches; it is an enforcement mechanism and is one that should contractually bind all participants in all divisions;
- that the EFL were unduly hasty in opting for a points deduction rather than a fine and failed to weigh and take into account all relevant considerations. Given the presumably lengthy deliberations and findings of the tribunal, that feels like a fatuous argument. Can it really be credibly argued that the EFL's decision to opt for a points deduction, rather than a fine, was one that was so unreasonable or irrational that no reasonable body acting reasonably could have made it ? The answer to that is a categoric no. On the contrary, as others have said, allowing Leicester to escape with a fine would drive a coach and horses through the entire 'financial fair play' regime and incentivise wealthy owners to ignore the rules.
It is disappointing that the EFL have yet to announce when this appeal will be heard, although I don't doubt that there will be some foot-dragging from Leicester. The longer this goes on, the more it undermines the Championship and brings the game into disrepute.10 -
If the appeal isnt heard until after the season ends, or is held before then but the outcome isn't known by the time we play the last game then ALL fans of the other 23 Championship teams should disrupt the final games in such a way that the season doesn't end on May 2nd.
Action is needed to make sure we all know where we stand by the time the final game of the season is played.
No ifs. No buts.13 -
They've already said the appeal board will hear the case soon to ensure a decision is made before the end of the season.0
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Theoretically that could mean on the Friday before the last game of the season which would be ridiculous.Chris_from_Sidcup said:They've already said the appeal board will hear the case soon to ensure a decision is made before the end of the season.1 -
If you think soon means in 8 weeks time then yes it would be.WSS said:
Theoretically that could mean on the Friday before the last game of the season which would be ridiculous.Chris_from_Sidcup said:They've already said the appeal board will hear the case soon to ensure a decision is made before the end of the season.1 -
I was reading the hearing of the case and making the decision as two separate events.2
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Methven was explaining that’s the problem with Leicester because a relegation to L1 means the operating costs to run the club eg their 100M training complex, exceeds the value of the club no potential investor would even look at buying it because of how bad an investment it would be and the money it would take just to get it back to square onekillerandflash said:
And they've been happy to stick the boot into Sheffield Wednesday, a club in way more trouble.sam3110 said:
Sorry but a club "going under" shouldn't come into it, if they've put themselves in that situation by overspending then that's on them.Crispywood said:Methven did an interesting podcast on the whole situation. Apparently it should have been 9-12 points deduction but relegation could be a catalyst for Leceister going under permanently which is why they had to find a line between not letting them off but not giving them too harsh a punishment to give them a chance of staying up
If I have a burger joint and I've massively overspent on Michelin star level chefs and world class Maître D's but we're failing as an establishment, you don't get bailed out, you get into debt and get shut down.
Football needs a big name to go to the wall to open up their eyes, sadly I don't think it'll be enough to change the landscape though
If Leicester went into administration, someone would buy them, they're still an attractive club.1 -
So is he saying they should have some kind of immunity? that's ridiculous and would make a mockery of the fundamental principles of a league based systemCrispywood said:
Methven was explaining that’s the problem with Leicester because a relegation to L1 means the operating costs to run the club eg their 100M training complex, exceeds the value of the club no potential investor would even look at buying it because of how bad an investment it would be and the money it would take just to get it back to square onekillerandflash said:
And they've been happy to stick the boot into Sheffield Wednesday, a club in way more trouble.sam3110 said:
Sorry but a club "going under" shouldn't come into it, if they've put themselves in that situation by overspending then that's on them.Crispywood said:Methven did an interesting podcast on the whole situation. Apparently it should have been 9-12 points deduction but relegation could be a catalyst for Leceister going under permanently which is why they had to find a line between not letting them off but not giving them too harsh a punishment to give them a chance of staying up
If I have a burger joint and I've massively overspent on Michelin star level chefs and world class Maître D's but we're failing as an establishment, you don't get bailed out, you get into debt and get shut down.
Football needs a big name to go to the wall to open up their eyes, sadly I don't think it'll be enough to change the landscape though
If Leicester went into administration, someone would buy them, they're still an attractive club.
Maybe they could look at selling their 100m training complex to balance the books a bit.10 -
Crispywood said:
Methven was explaining that’s the problem with Leicester because a relegation to L1 means the operating costs to run the club eg their 100M training complex, exceeds the value of the club no potential investor would even look at buying it because of how bad an investment it would be and the money it would take just to get it back to square onekillerandflash said:
And they've been happy to stick the boot into Sheffield Wednesday, a club in way more trouble.sam3110 said:
Sorry but a club "going under" shouldn't come into it, if they've put themselves in that situation by overspending then that's on them.Crispywood said:Methven did an interesting podcast on the whole situation. Apparently it should have been 9-12 points deduction but relegation could be a catalyst for Leceister going under permanently which is why they had to find a line between not letting them off but not giving them too harsh a punishment to give them a chance of staying up
If I have a burger joint and I've massively overspent on Michelin star level chefs and world class Maître D's but we're failing as an establishment, you don't get bailed out, you get into debt and get shut down.
Football needs a big name to go to the wall to open up their eyes, sadly I don't think it'll be enough to change the landscape though
If Leicester went into administration, someone would buy them, they're still an attractive club.
Tough. If there’s no downside to overspending then the whole pyramid will eventually be fucked. They can always come back as AFC Leicester if they go bust and ground share the rugby stadium just down the road.2 -
No he didn’t say they should have immunity, but that’s his take on why Leceister were only deducted 6 points opposed to 9-12 like they should have done. Most clubs relegation is a kick in the teeth for Leicester to go to L1 it’s the equivalent of taking a hammer to the face. Financially if they avoid relegation they can manage to dig themselves out the hole albeit be tough if they get relegated Methven described it as being emergency red flags. Really fascinating listen on YouTubeEugenesAxe said:
So is he saying they should have some kind of immunity? that's ridiculous and would make a mockery of the fundamental principles of a league based systemCrispywood said:
Methven was explaining that’s the problem with Leicester because a relegation to L1 means the operating costs to run the club eg their 100M training complex, exceeds the value of the club no potential investor would even look at buying it because of how bad an investment it would be and the money it would take just to get it back to square onekillerandflash said:
And they've been happy to stick the boot into Sheffield Wednesday, a club in way more trouble.sam3110 said:
Sorry but a club "going under" shouldn't come into it, if they've put themselves in that situation by overspending then that's on them.Crispywood said:Methven did an interesting podcast on the whole situation. Apparently it should have been 9-12 points deduction but relegation could be a catalyst for Leceister going under permanently which is why they had to find a line between not letting them off but not giving them too harsh a punishment to give them a chance of staying up
If I have a burger joint and I've massively overspent on Michelin star level chefs and world class Maître D's but we're failing as an establishment, you don't get bailed out, you get into debt and get shut down.
Football needs a big name to go to the wall to open up their eyes, sadly I don't think it'll be enough to change the landscape though
If Leicester went into administration, someone would buy them, they're still an attractive club.
Maybe they could look at selling their 100m training complex to balance the books a bit.1 -
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For the points deduction to be reduced because of who they are is like the tail wagging the dog somewhat, need a few big clubs to fold to restore some reality into the game, tough love.Crispywood said:
No he didn’t say they should have immunity, but that’s his take on why Leceister were only deducted 6 points opposed to 9-12 like they should have done. Most clubs relegation is a kick in the teeth for Leicester to go to L1 it’s the equivalent of taking a hammer to the face. Financially if they avoid relegation they can manage to dig themselves out the hole albeit be tough if they get relegated Methven described it as being emergency red flags. Really fascinating listen on YouTubeEugenesAxe said:
So is he saying they should have some kind of immunity? that's ridiculous and would make a mockery of the fundamental principles of a league based systemCrispywood said:
Methven was explaining that’s the problem with Leicester because a relegation to L1 means the operating costs to run the club eg their 100M training complex, exceeds the value of the club no potential investor would even look at buying it because of how bad an investment it would be and the money it would take just to get it back to square onekillerandflash said:
And they've been happy to stick the boot into Sheffield Wednesday, a club in way more trouble.sam3110 said:
Sorry but a club "going under" shouldn't come into it, if they've put themselves in that situation by overspending then that's on them.Crispywood said:Methven did an interesting podcast on the whole situation. Apparently it should have been 9-12 points deduction but relegation could be a catalyst for Leceister going under permanently which is why they had to find a line between not letting them off but not giving them too harsh a punishment to give them a chance of staying up
If I have a burger joint and I've massively overspent on Michelin star level chefs and world class Maître D's but we're failing as an establishment, you don't get bailed out, you get into debt and get shut down.
Football needs a big name to go to the wall to open up their eyes, sadly I don't think it'll be enough to change the landscape though
If Leicester went into administration, someone would buy them, they're still an attractive club.
Maybe they could look at selling their 100m training complex to balance the books a bit.4 -
But they get parachute payments for 3 years? How does that affect things.1
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Just helps to reduce their losses a bit. They'll have some players on crazy wages to then be sat in league one with heavily reduced revenue.Rudders22 said:But they get parachute payments for 3 years? How does that affect things.1 -
Teams who are only in the prem for a season only get if for 2 years which Leicester were when they got recently relegatedRudders22 said:But they get parachute payments for 3 years? How does that affect things.0 -
If only we didn’t pay almost all players (in the top divisions) to retire as multi millionaires then the finances might be in better shape.7
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valleynick66 said:If only we didn’t pay almost all players (in the top divisions) to retire as multi millionaires then the finances might be in better shape.
be hilarious if Spurs do get relegated, can't imagine any of their players having relegation clauses in their contracts.5 -
They almost all have a 50% reduction but that will still mean obscene wagesLargeAddick said:valleynick66 said:If only we didn’t pay almost all players (in the top divisions) to retire as multi millionaires then the finances might be in better shape.
be hilarious if Spurs do get relegated, can't imagine any of their players having relegation clauses in their contracts.0 -
LargeAddick said:valleynick66 said:If only we didn’t pay almost all players (in the top divisions) to retire as multi millionaires then the finances might be in better shape.
be hilarious if Spurs do get relegated, can't imagine any of their players having relegation clauses in their contracts.
They all do. 50% pay cuts is what is being advertised.0 -
The Leicester thing is interesting as clubs like Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth are tiny for PL standards but now must have huge over heads. I know the OL is becoming more of a locked shop each season but sooner or later they go down and no one really cares about them/they don't have the brand for people to want to spend £mmm's on saving.
They should enjoy it whilst it lasts but will likely be the future Wigan/Leicesters who fade into obscurity/go bust.0 -
So that idiot Methven is saying the ‘punishment’ should be set at a rate that won’t ‘punish’ them that much - patheticCrispywood said:
No he didn’t say they should have immunity, but that’s his take on why Leceister were only deducted 6 points opposed to 9-12 like they should have done. Most clubs relegation is a kick in the teeth for Leicester to go to L1 it’s the equivalent of taking a hammer to the face. Financially if they avoid relegation they can manage to dig themselves out the hole albeit be tough if they get relegated Methven described it as being emergency red flags. Really fascinating listen on YouTubeEugenesAxe said:
So is he saying they should have some kind of immunity? that's ridiculous and would make a mockery of the fundamental principles of a league based systemCrispywood said:
Methven was explaining that’s the problem with Leicester because a relegation to L1 means the operating costs to run the club eg their 100M training complex, exceeds the value of the club no potential investor would even look at buying it because of how bad an investment it would be and the money it would take just to get it back to square onekillerandflash said:
And they've been happy to stick the boot into Sheffield Wednesday, a club in way more trouble.sam3110 said:
Sorry but a club "going under" shouldn't come into it, if they've put themselves in that situation by overspending then that's on them.Crispywood said:Methven did an interesting podcast on the whole situation. Apparently it should have been 9-12 points deduction but relegation could be a catalyst for Leceister going under permanently which is why they had to find a line between not letting them off but not giving them too harsh a punishment to give them a chance of staying up
If I have a burger joint and I've massively overspent on Michelin star level chefs and world class Maître D's but we're failing as an establishment, you don't get bailed out, you get into debt and get shut down.
Football needs a big name to go to the wall to open up their eyes, sadly I don't think it'll be enough to change the landscape though
If Leicester went into administration, someone would buy them, they're still an attractive club.
Maybe they could look at selling their 100m training complex to balance the books a bit.2
