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Loan watch 25/26
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Looking at Blackpool forums they’re not his biggest fan either. Saying what we all know that there is zero ounce of creativity in him. Think he’s one we move on this summerkillerandflash said:Blackpool sliding toward L2, not the loan experience Karoy would have been hoping for you imagine.0 -
I think a full season playing week in week out in league 1 next season, and then reassess next summer. Still think it’s too early to write him off, he’s only 21, definitely can still make it as a championship midfielder in the futureCrispywood said:
Looking at Blackpool forums they’re not his biggest fan either. Saying what we all know that there is zero ounce of creativity in him. Think he’s one we move on this summerkillerandflash said:Blackpool sliding toward L2, not the loan experience Karoy would have been hoping for you imagine.
Jones is a big fan and we gave him a long contract recently I think? Can’t see him being moved on that soon9 -
He still has potential but he needs regular game time if he’s going to reach it, and he won’t get that with us.Crispywood said:
Looking at Blackpool forums they’re not his biggest fan either. Saying what we all know that there is zero ounce of creativity in him. Think he’s one we move on this summerkillerandflash said:Blackpool sliding toward L2, not the loan experience Karoy would have been hoping for you imagine.
I also wouldn’t rule out him dropping down to L1/L2 and staying there like Lapslie has.
Asiimwe is probably in a similar position.5 -
Seems like Anderson struggles with us last year/this year have carried over to blackpool. Still giving away the ball but provides energy. I think we have to acknowledge that even though still a young player, this might be who he is as he hasn’t progressed despite playing a fair amount as a 21 year old. The Blackpool fan forum comments on him are pretty harsh but I have a feeling some of that is amplified by how poor their team has been this year - they have been very critical of pretty much their whole squad3
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Tonight's fixtures
Wimbledon v Leyton Orient
Blackpool v Port Vale
Bolton v Doncaster
Plymouth v Stevenage
Stockport v Northampton
Walsall v Cambridge
Enfield Town v Dorking Wanderers
Farnborough v Dagenham & Redbridge
Horsham v Bath City1 -
Starters
Alex Mitchell
Dan Kanu
Tanto Olaofe
Toby Bower
Kai Enslin
Josh Laqeretabua
Subs
Nathan Asiimwe
Karoy Anderson
Terry Taylor
Rob Apter
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This happened in yesterdays Derry match
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Beyond a few yellow cards doesn't look like much to report from tonight's games0
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Karoy came on as a sub for Blackpool and ended up marking Onel Hernandez for a few minutes
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One for the purists #thebeautifulgamealiwibble said:Karoy came on as a sub for Blackpool and ended up marking Onel Hernandez for a few minutes5 -
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Seems like our loan players are either smashing it or stinking up the gaff doesn’t seem to be an in between with anyone atm0
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I’d say Asiimwe is slap bang in the middle, good start before being dropped to the bench for a while and earning his place back this week. Lower down the pyramid Bower has been solid for Farnborough tooCrispywood said:Seems like our loan players are either smashing it or stinking up the gaff doesn’t seem to be an in between with anyone atm0 -
I’m actually not that bothered by Apter and Tanto not having the best of loans. Both will have been coming in lacking match sharpness and confidence while coming into teams at the top of the table. Bolton only wanted Apter due to injuries I think and I think they’re starting to clear up a bit. Ultimately it got two unhappy players out of the building and although it would be better if they were playing and creating loads maybe we were expecting too much
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Asiimwe has started 4 of the last 16 games in two of those he’s been hooked at 45 mins he’s only come off the bench in 2 and his current competition is an 18yr right back and a player they signed in Jan because he was struggling at Wimbledon of all clubs as well had better expectations for himfenaddick said:
I’d say Asiimwe is slap bang in the middle, good start before being dropped to the bench for a while and earning his place back this week. Lower down the pyramid Bower has been solid for Farnborough tooCrispywood said:Seems like our loan players are either smashing it or stinking up the gaff doesn’t seem to be an in between with anyone atm0 -
If we want to move them on though clubs will look at the fact in 17 games between them they’ve managed 1 assist at that level and go no. If anything dropping them into teams that create 50 chances a game and dominate teams should have been perfect for them. Considering people wanted them to have game time in the championship I expected more than 1 assistfenaddick said:I’m actually not that bothered by Apter and Tanto not having the best of loans. Both will have been coming in lacking match sharpness and confidence while coming into teams at the top of the table. Bolton only wanted Apter due to injuries I think and I think they’re starting to clear up a bit. Ultimately it got two unhappy players out of the building and although it would be better if they were playing and creating loads maybe we were expecting too much2 -
Being out of the team doesn't mean you're a bad player automatically, just that you were out of form. We know that from seeing Doc, Coventry etc. this season. What matters is the new player was brought in, given a go and now Asiimwe has started the last 2 games and played the full 90. It could well be that he's had competition, upped his performances in training and now is back to being first choice. That's good experienceCrispywood said:
Asiimwe has started 4 of the last 16 games in two of those he’s been hooked at 45 mins he’s only come off the bench in 2 and his current competition is an 18yr right back and a player they signed in Jan because he was struggling at Wimbledon of all clubs as well had better expectations for himfenaddick said:
I’d say Asiimwe is slap bang in the middle, good start before being dropped to the bench for a while and earning his place back this week. Lower down the pyramid Bower has been solid for Farnborough tooCrispywood said:Seems like our loan players are either smashing it or stinking up the gaff doesn’t seem to be an in between with anyone atm1 -
Context is important here. I think it was obvious that Asiimwe probably played too much football in the first half of the season as Wimbledon didn’t have any decent cover at wing back. Having not played regular football for a significant period before in his career, he was playing 90 minutes nearly every game at wing back. He also played most cup games because they didn’t have a good alternative. His performances dropped off because he was knackeredCrispywood said:
Asiimwe has started 4 of the last 16 games in two of those he’s been hooked at 45 mins he’s only come off the bench in 2 and his current competition is an 18yr right back and a player they signed in Jan because he was struggling at Wimbledon of all clubs as well had better expectations for himfenaddick said:
I’d say Asiimwe is slap bang in the middle, good start before being dropped to the bench for a while and earning his place back this week. Lower down the pyramid Bower has been solid for Farnborough tooCrispywood said:Seems like our loan players are either smashing it or stinking up the gaff doesn’t seem to be an in between with anyone atmIn January, Wimbledon re-signed one of their best players from last season, and he started well so took Asiimwe’s place in the team.The new player got injured and now Asiimwe is back in the team and played 2 full games recently. I think it’s overall been a good loan for him, he was very good at the start of the season especially. Might have a difficult end to the season as with Wimbledon safe they will probably opt to play and develop their own young player (Nkeng last night) rather than develop ours1 -
While I agree it has been a good loan for him, the reason he was dropped was in part due to some defensive frailties - mostly his defensive positioning and knowing when to charge forward and when to track back which was negatively impacting their results. It wasn’t that he was just tired. That is part of the learning process with a loan which will help work on some of the weaknesses in his game. His attacking skills looked excellent for them against league one opposition which is really encouraging.1
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To be honest I think it's a good thing for them to have a chastening crap loan if they react to it properly. Both of these players were given roles to fulfill and failed to carry them out, Tanto because he struggled with the adaptation and Apter because he couldn't be arsed with it. You would like to think that these players who decided they wanted to play more than they wanted to try and force their way into the team would drop down a level, realise that what they're proposing to bring to games isn't enough even in L1 and then come back willing to accept that they can play the way Jones wants them to and focus on improving or they can watch their careers drift. There's two good players in there and they'd both be able to offer something if they could put the work in and develop in a way that suits the set-up. Of course the alternative is they come back even more pissed off feeling like they couldn't do it in L1 off the back of a confidence-sapping first half of the season but I think that would be a misjudgment on their part.fenaddick said:I’m actually not that bothered by Apter and Tanto not having the best of loans. Both will have been coming in lacking match sharpness and confidence while coming into teams at the top of the table. Bolton only wanted Apter due to injuries I think and I think they’re starting to clear up a bit. Ultimately it got two unhappy players out of the building and although it would be better if they were playing and creating loads maybe we were expecting too much6 -
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We're a championship team now and Assimwe is just not good enough for that level of football and unlikely to be, moving forward.
Hopefully we can shift him out in the summer.4 -
He’s only just turned 21 ffs. Why do our fans always do this. He can easily improve to be championship level over the next few yearsbolloxbolder said:We're a championship team now and Assimwe is just not good enough for that level of football and unlikely to be, moving forward.
Hopefully we can shift him out in the summer.
Asiimwe, Kanu, Anderson etc are league 1 level players in their early 20s. All of them have plenty of time on their side to develop into championship players if they get it right over the next few years. Maybe they won’t, but it’s too early to be writing them off15 -
They can, but on the other hand we can't keep players until their mid 20s off the hope that they'll be good enough after a few more seasons out on loan.NabySarr said:
He’s only just turned 21 ffs. Why do our fans always do this. He can easily improve to be championship level over the next few yearsbolloxbolder said:We're a championship team now and Assimwe is just not good enough for that level of football and unlikely to be, moving forward.
Hopefully we can shift him out in the summer.
Asiimwe, Kanu, Anderson etc are league 1 level players in their early 20s. All of them have plenty of time on their side to develop into championship players if they get it right over the next few years. Maybe they won’t, but it’s too early to be writing them off
I imagine we'll want to get fees for players who get to that age and are good enough for L1/L2 but not the Championship, so we might see some of that group sold in the summer.
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I do think we'd be open to offers for some of our loanees, this is how I see it
Asiimwe - Look to sell/loan to higher L1
Taylor - Out of contract, release
Ahadme - Sell/loan
Mitchell - Sell
Kanu - Open to offers. Loan if signs a new deal but fringe player otherwise
Mbick - Most likely injured but can see him being around the squad
Olaofe - Open to offers
Apter - Open to offers/loan
Anderson - Loan
Bower - Sell
Reid - Loan
Casey - Out of contract, release
Rylah - On loan until December, maybe recall if he's dong well and send to L2
Enslin - Loan to NL/L2
Josh Laq - Loan0 -
True, but I’d say it’s too early to be doing that. Plus keeping them and loaning them out until they are good enough is a lot cheaper than buying a ready made championship player, if we think they can make it then we should be persevering with themScoham said:
They can, but on the other hand we can't keep players until their mid 20s off the hope that they'll be good enough after a few more seasons out on loan.NabySarr said:
He’s only just turned 21 ffs. Why do our fans always do this. He can easily improve to be championship level over the next few yearsbolloxbolder said:We're a championship team now and Assimwe is just not good enough for that level of football and unlikely to be, moving forward.
Hopefully we can shift him out in the summer.
Asiimwe, Kanu, Anderson etc are league 1 level players in their early 20s. All of them have plenty of time on their side to develop into championship players if they get it right over the next few years. Maybe they won’t, but it’s too early to be writing them off
I imagine we'll want to get fees for players who get to that age and are good enough for L1/L2 but not the Championship, so we might see some of that group sold in the summer.Only one we might sell is Kanu because I think he’s entering the final year of his contract maybe(?). Personally I think Asiimwe will make it, he’s good technically and physically, just needs to do a bit more learning defensively but Jackson/Jones both have good records with coaching defences so I’m hoping we see some good progress thereI think it’s likely Asiimwe goes on loan again next season, but I also think there’s a chance a spot opens up for him to be one of our 2 right wing backs next season if he impresses in pre-season. He was one of the standout wing backs in league 1 at the start of the season so he’s not that far off in my opinion even with a mid-season dip. If our right side options were Clarke, Asiimwe, Ramsay and Sichenje I’d be pretty happy1 -
The issue for most of the players we loaned out, is that while they might improve next season, so will we.
A number of them might be solid L1 players with Championship potential, but we need better than that, as showed by the January window, where we brought in players with Championship experience, or invested in talent from abroad. And improved.
That's not writing off the loaned out signings and academy players ( other than Mbick) but being realistic.6 -
theoretically any player can develop at any age, you can’t keep players on the basis they can improve with no guarantee otherwise we’d still be sat here with Albie Morgan. How many youngster's have we optionally released or sold that have massively proved us wrong not many.NabySarr said:
He’s only just turned 21 ffs. Why do our fans always do this. He can easily improve to be championship level over the next few yearsbolloxbolder said:We're a championship team now and Assimwe is just not good enough for that level of football and unlikely to be, moving forward.
Hopefully we can shift him out in the summer.
Asiimwe, Kanu, Anderson etc are league 1 level players in their early 20s. All of them have plenty of time on their side to develop into championship players if they get it right over the next few years. Maybe they won’t, but it’s too early to be writing them offAnderson may be a championship player in the future but if that only happens when he turns 27-28 you can’t loan him out for the next 5 years hoping it happens.Yes you never know with every player but you have to make that judgement at the end of day you can’t keep them forever.3 -
Kanu is an interesting one. Probably could sell him to a league one squad for a small fee. Given he performed well in league two and is young, I would bet the club would want re sign him. The relative modest wage increase would be worth the investment and then loan him out to league one. That being said, he may not want to re sign. I could see how a young player might grow tired of the loan carousel and prefer starting somewhere new where he is a key player. If DK tells the club he is not going to sign the it is almost inevitable he will be sold this summer3
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Weekend Fixtures
Derry City v Drogheda United (Friday, 7:45)
Cardiff v Blackpool (Saturday, 12:30pm - Sky Sports Plus)
Luton v Stockport (Saturday, 12:30pm - Sky Sports Plus)
Wimbledon v Peterborough
Mansfield v Northampton
Plymouth v Huddersfield
Port Vale v Bolton
Walsall v Newport
Farnborough v Slough Town
Maidenhead v Dorking Wanderers
Tonbridge Angels v Bath City
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Rylah on the bench1
