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POST-MATCH THREAD: Sheffield Wednesday v Charlton Athletic: Saturday 18th April 2026: KO 15:00

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  • Never been in the Jones out camp and I'm definitely still not, but that is a game where I really think he needs to shoulder a lot of the blame and it was disappointing he didn't cop to any of it in the post match.

    For the line up they are fragile on the counter and against speed, and we drop our only pacey player in TC. Also no JRC when we need to break a team down. 

    For approach, there was no effort or desire to play it on the ground today and it was embarrassing watching a Sheff Wed youth team play triangles around us and through balls when all we do is hump it long. Part of that might be down to the players, Jones said he'd put the pressure back on this week, but the fact that it didn't improve after the half makes it look much more like an intentional tactic. Lack of JRC, one of our only players who can pick a pass, backs that up.

    That approach is so wrong in so many ways. We needed to be aggressive and try to take all the points. It's a rare occasion where we should have more footballing quality than the opposition and so don't need to be entirely negative to level the field. But more than anything, they have no depth and you're letting them off the hook of chasing the ball around. Their midfield and forwards can just stand still while their CBs head it away and mop up. We should have run rings around them until they were ragged.

    Also no apparent orders to press, even after that produced one of our only decent chances in the first half. 

    For the subs, too late is often a criticism but I can see why he does that sometimes when he's changed something and wants to give it a chance. But nothing seemed to change at HT when it badly needed to, he had to see that and change personnel well before he did. As for the subs themselves, Sichenje made a big difference and I don't argue with TC, though he was poor today, but JRC had to come earlier to break them down and how do we leave ourselves with no Godden, Dykes, Kelman, Knibbs or (right at the end) even Carey on the pitch when we need a goal? No one we had on the pitch at the end is convincing in the opposition box.

    Few other thoughts:

    - love Clarke as a character but I'm not with the majority who want him signed up - only ok defensively, played a terrible ball right to them to keep the pressure on eventually resulting in their goal, doesn't get quality into the box nearly enough and is honking in front of goal, costing us multiple points already

    - Mannion surely has to come back out now

    - don't understand what has happened to our identity generally. Start of the season it was high energy, aggressive press, winning all the second balls and box crashing. That all disappeared with the injuries and poor run, but why hasn't it returned ever since? 
    We seemed to go from being a team that could run rings around others and still have energy after 95 minutes, when others were flagging, hence late goals scored, then after about 6-8 games we hit a wall and never got back to that point again. 
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 27,417
    What was Lloyd Jones so angry about at the end? The fans for booing or his own teammates?
    The booing, 100%.
    That wasn't a good performance by the team, but most of them put effort in, particularly Lloyd Jones as he always does.

    I can see why he would get pissed off with the booing, it's happening far too much lately. I know that it's always happened, but it must be demoralising to put your all in, get a point which is very helpful toward staying up, and your own fans slag you off.

    The booing really doesn't help create a united front. I know that we all hoped for 3 points today, but please try to avoid the booing and save it for really deserving occasions. (If you have to boo).
    Again, he needs to have a word with his manger and teammates then.
  • Bilko
    Bilko Posts: 801
    I was there, sorry a prophetic performance specially being 1up, should have seen it through. 
    Hopefully we can stay up only because we carried on from the end of last season and the confidence of a winning team saw us through the first 3rd of the season to get us around the playoffs place. The last 2nd 3rds of the season isn’t good enough and other than Wednesday we have been the worst side in this division, if there is not at least 6 new in comers who can come in straight into the the 1st eleven, we will surely be in the poo  next season. If we stay up.
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,459
    On a positive note... Ebbsfleet won and congratulations to Bromley who we may still be playing yet.... Dread Wednesday night already. 
  • Blucher
    Blucher Posts: 4,300

    A good day out, as ever, with pre-match beers on the Sheffield Tap and the Fat Cat and a couple afterwards in the New Barrack Tavern and the Kelham Island Tavern.

    I was not surprised at how the game panned out, given our chronic inability to score more than one goal. I felt that we were fortunate to go in on level terms at half time, as Burke’s dreadfully-timed tackle on the Wednesday player looked a nailed on penalty to me. Most of Wednesday’s attacks came down the right flank, which I thought was, at least in part, attributable to Burke’s ineptitude. In response, we managed a hooked shot against the bar from one of our set-plays, which represented our sole threat.

    A moment of class from Matty Godden put us ahead after a headed knock down and the stage was set for us to kick on and secure our Championship status. Alas, it was not to be, as we dropped deeper and invited pressure from a surprisingly fluent (albeit fairly blunt) Wednesday side. A fine thrusting run from Sonny Carey ended with an excellent shot against the inside of the post but that was our last real threat on the home side’s goal. For all their possession, Wednesday produced little end product and it needed a really poor error from Mannion to give them an equaliser. 

    In the end, I thought that a point apiece was a fair result.

    Not one for the memoirs but only one of the 4 teams below us managed to finish the day above us and Oxford’s defeat at Derby leaves them 6 points adrift with only 3 games to play. Leicester are surely done but, subject to what happens on Tuesday in Wrexham’s game at Oxford, there is still a little work to do.

    Not too many of our players emerged with any real credit, although Lloyd Jones was as dominant as ever and Matty Godden reminded us of what we’ve been missing.

    Assuming we do get over the line, there is a huge amount of work to do if we are to be competitive in the Championship next season. Last Summer’s transfer window was very poor, not least in failing to strengthen in midfield, and we cannot afford a repetition this time around.

  • What was Lloyd Jones so angry about at the end? The fans for booing or his own teammates?
    The booing, 100%.
    That wasn't a good performance by the team, but most of them put effort in, particularly Lloyd Jones as he always does.

    I can see why he would get pissed off with the booing, it's happening far too much lately. I know that it's always happened, but it must be demoralising to put your all in, get a point which is very helpful toward staying up, and your own fans slag you off.

    The booing really doesn't help create a united front. I know that we all hoped for 3 points today, but please try to avoid the booing and save it for really deserving occasions. (If you have to boo).
    Agree with all of this, and on the effort there have been a few comments that the players didn't look bothered. Wasn't there so fair enough if that was the impression in person, but didn't look that way on the TV at all and I don't generally think effort is an issue for us - it's quality and confidence 
  • Valiantphil
    Valiantphil Posts: 6,472
    I hope the owners have got about £3m ready. 
    We need a clear out of all the crap. 
    £3m ????

    Try £30m. 
    Just being realistic. 
    They have 30, but there’s no way they will spend that on us. 
  • AddicksAddict
    AddicksAddict Posts: 16,255
    Laddick01 said:

    I say this in all seriousness. They were the better footballing team. Oxford aside, we are the worst side to watch in this league. 

    Collins I thought did well when he came on. Matty Godden still has it. They are the only positives.

    A fucking gutless performance. Our midfield would struggle in League One. 

    Burke can fuck off. What a monumental waste of money.

    Still need a number 1 next season. Ship out one of these two.

    Without massive work in the summer I can’t see how we do much better next season. 


    Truly awful.

    Exactly how I feel. Thanks for saving me the effort of writing it.

  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 17,133
    Lloyd Jones has been heard to say he is feeling the pressure because he doesn’t want to let anyone down. Then our own fans see fit to boo. Muppets. 
  • swords_alive
    swords_alive Posts: 4,828
    Couple of obvious things being overlooked so far i think.  With regard to today - Ramsay was a big miss, and that was unlucky (hamstring injury apparently), and also, probably just a hindsight thing, possibly Coventry was missed too and could have given the team more structure.

    At a deeper level - this goes way back, and clearly Jones must be held accountable. For me the wheels were coming off with Swansea and West Brom at home. Jones simply doesn't get the best out of these players on a consistent basis. He limits them more than motivates them by some means or other.  

    Lastly we are still on course for relegation. No-one likes to realise too late that they were the frog in the pan as the water temperature started to rise to boiling point, but here we are.

    I think we have a big enough squad for a roll of the dice with Sichenje, Godden and Fullah the aces in the pack that might see us alright but only if Jones unleashes their potential somehow over the next 3 matches and the sooner the better. 



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  • Bangkokaddick
    Bangkokaddick Posts: 4,385
    Not only is it a hard watch, we've lost our ability to keep clean sheets, not helped by goalkeeper errors by both keepers and I think we need our number one back for the last three games. As an aside, I was impressed by the distribution of the Wednesday keeper today, though that was helped by our allowing their players much to much space and time, something we weren't doing earlier in the season.

    We looked more positive after the substitutions with both Sichenje and Gillesphey looking to move the ball forward and actually lookinmg to find players and not just aimless hoofing. 

    Changes are needed for Wednesday as this team just totally lacks quality but it wouldn't surprise me at all to see a very similar lineup.
  • Nicholas
    Nicholas Posts: 7,799
    More dog shit tactics by our messiah jones. I’m sure the stay at home fans will tell me different zzz
  • We simply cannot keep relying on other teams in the relegation zone to keep getting poor results for us to just about get over the line. 

    We drew against the worst performing team in the division. 

    I would be comfortable of us staying up with one more win finishing the season with 53 points. 

    Why do we make it unnecessarily hard for ourselves. We have been there before. We don’t appear to have learnt our lessons. 

    I did not see the game. But from the posts I can genuinely feel the pain , the frustration , and the disappointment from my fellow supporters. 

    Hopefully we stay up and finish in a respectable position next season. But it’s going to need a lot of changes, in players, coach and more investment from the club owners. 
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 33,635
    Wasn’t there, didn’t watch, just followed the match thread. Can’t comment on individual performances but I honestly thought once we went one up we’d go on, get another, and put the game to bed. That we didn’t says a lot about NJ’s mentality. That has to change next season.

    I’m far from convinced we won’t go down but I don’t think we will. I think we will nick another point somewhere and if we do that’ll mean Oxford winning all three which, although not impossible, is highly unlikely. Being 9 points clear with six to play or whatever it was means it’s hugely disappointing to be in the position we are now.

     I renewed my season ticket last night but the major concern for me now is the investment required in the summer to ensure we progress in the Championship next season. Progress. Being in this same position, situation, next season won’t be progress. I don’t necessarily expect a play off finish but I’d be looking at an at least top half finish. That will mean significant investment. Do the owners have the stomach for that I wonder? 
  • Just home and catching up. 

    We were second best to the statistically worst Championship team ever I think.  It was dire.  So many bad performances.  

    Clarke forgot how to play, Dykes looked a complete donkey,.Coady Doc and Carey all bad.  Worst was Burke.  Just naff all around.

    Weds were overloading us down our right side as soon as we took Burke off but NJ just allowed it to happen, over and over.  It was suicidal defending.
  • EugenesAxe
    EugenesAxe Posts: 4,283

  • KiwiValley
    KiwiValley Posts: 3,491
    CafcSteve said:
    Abysmal!

    Gets worse every single week.
    Yes, but at least its not the same old sludge every week. This is a team that will always surprise you with new layers of excrement.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 35,580
    Just seen the extended highlights on Sky.

    Looks like we got away with one there. Both looked penalties, esp the first. Why Burke was diving in on the edge of the box heaven knows.

    Great finish by Godden. A poachers goal that none of our other strikers could hope to pull off. If only he'd been playing all season (or even half the season) we wouldn't be in this position. 



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  • KiwiValley
    KiwiValley Posts: 3,491
    edited April 18
    Just seen the extended highlights on Sky.

    Looks like we got away with one there. Both looked penalties, esp the first. Why Burke was diving in on the edge of the box heaven knows.

    Great finish by Godden. A poachers goal that none of our other strikers could hope to pull off. If only he'd been playing all season (or even half the season) we wouldn't be in this position. 


    Don't forget we also hit the woodwork twice. On another day we win more comfortably.... just not sure what decade that kind of day appears.
  • aki2798
    aki2798 Posts: 11
    Just listened to Jones’ post match on Cawley’s podcast. Even he seems to have given up. He just wants to crawl to safety and start rebuilding, he knows just how sub par these players are.
  • fenlandaddick
    fenlandaddick Posts: 2,089
    edited April 19
    woke up with a heavy head. cold light of day I am convinced this is a confidence issue. after the goal , although not Real Madrid, they played with a bit more fluidity. Wednesday wrestled back possession and we sat in the edge of the box, waiting for trouble.
    I do not remember this pattern on play earlier in the season. I have no idea why the team does not press for another goal, pretty sure at Wednesday any other team would.
    Now considering Coventry drew, I assume Wednesday are playing a little better than before and that is another factor, or like us they were filled with nerves.
    It is another point, but we should have been way out of this. Still feels like a loss.
    if there are not wholesale improvements in the squad next year I'll bet on my Nan that we will go down.
    over to the owners, board and management team to sort this shit football out.
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,402
    What was Lloyd Jones so angry about at the end? The fans for booing or his own teammates?
    The booing, 100%.
    That wasn't a good performance by the team, but most of them put effort in, particularly Lloyd Jones as he always does.

    I can see why he would get pissed off with the booing, it's happening far too much lately. I know that it's always happened, but it must be demoralising to put your all in, get a point which is very helpful toward staying up, and your own fans slag you off.

    The booing really doesn't help create a united front. I know that we all hoped for 3 points today, but please try to avoid the booing and save it for really deserving occasions. (If you have to boo).
    What I don’t understand is what the fans who travelled up there are expecting.  We play crap football and we never score more than one goal. Why go if you don’t accept that? I wouldn’t bloody go even if I could, and there’s nothing wrong with that when you really consider that the team would be better off with no fans there rather than being booed.  

    Some people on here on every pre-match thread predict us to win 3-0, 2-1, 3-1. I don’t get it. Do they wake up each morning expecting to find their favourite actress in bed with them, or expecting to find a million quid under the teapot?


    Effort? A bit of fight? Even the slightest sense that they know and understand that a win would essentially rubber stamp safety?

    Early in the season we played crap football but compensated with lots of pressing and energy, stopping the other team playing either. That's become what we see now with a total lack of enthusiasm or spirit and apparently hoping to just hold on in a siege mentality (against a team with a literally negative point total.)
  • cabbles
    cabbles Posts: 15,567
    Never been in the Jones out camp and I'm definitely still not, but that is a game where I really think he needs to shoulder a lot of the blame and it was disappointing he didn't cop to any of it in the post match.

    For the line up they are fragile on the counter and against speed, and we drop our only pacey player in TC. Also no JRC when we need to break a team down. 

    For approach, there was no effort or desire to play it on the ground today and it was embarrassing watching a Sheff Wed youth team play triangles around us and through balls when all we do is hump it long. Part of that might be down to the players, Jones said he'd put the pressure back on this week, but the fact that it didn't improve after the half makes it look much more like an intentional tactic. Lack of JRC, one of our only players who can pick a pass, backs that up.

    That approach is so wrong in so many ways. We needed to be aggressive and try to take all the points. It's a rare occasion where we should have more footballing quality than the opposition and so don't need to be entirely negative to level the field. But more than anything, they have no depth and you're letting them off the hook of chasing the ball around. Their midfield and forwards can just stand still while their CBs head it away and mop up. We should have run rings around them until they were ragged.

    Also no apparent orders to press, even after that produced one of our only decent chances in the first half. 

    For the subs, too late is often a criticism but I can see why he does that sometimes when he's changed something and wants to give it a chance. But nothing seemed to change at HT when it badly needed to, he had to see that and change personnel well before he did. As for the subs themselves, Sichenje made a big difference and I don't argue with TC, though he was poor today, but JRC had to come earlier to break them down and how do we leave ourselves with no Godden, Dykes, Kelman, Knibbs or (right at the end) even Carey on the pitch when we need a goal? No one we had on the pitch at the end is convincing in the opposition box.

    Few other thoughts:

    - love Clarke as a character but I'm not with the majority who want him signed up - only ok defensively, played a terrible ball right to them to keep the pressure on eventually resulting in their goal, doesn't get quality into the box nearly enough and is honking in front of goal, costing us multiple points already

    - Mannion surely has to come back out now

    - don't understand what has happened to our identity generally. Start of the season it was high energy, aggressive press, winning all the second balls and box crashing. That all disappeared with the injuries and poor run, but why hasn't it returned ever since? 
    We seemed to go from being a team that could run rings around others and still have energy after 95 minutes, when others were flagging, hence late goals scored, then after about 6-8 games we hit a wall and never got back to that point again. 
    Over a 46 game season I think it’s incredibly hard to keep that up.  The start of the season is always different mentally too.  We’d had the bounce off coming up, positivity and enthusiasm running through the club.  Last minute winner on the opening day, winning up at Sheff Utd etc.  over time that fades and in a long season, when we don’t have too many players (if any) that can make the ball do the work, then bodies and mentality tires.  If we had a couple of players who could work the ball, it would just offer that little bit of respite.  We don’t, hence the team look spent.  We cannot replicate what he had early season. 
  • The Prince-e-Paul
    The Prince-e-Paul Posts: 6,816
    edited April 19
    Interestingly, in the BBC players ratings, every single Wednesday player, was rated higher than the entire Charlton 11. And that's for a 0-0 draw. It tells a story of how poor this Charlton team are performing. Not just about results, it's about recognition of effort, quality and performance. 

    Lloyd may have been upset that some of the 2000 that made the effort to follow the Addicks up to Hillsborough, we're equally upset and even angry, but he has to recognise that this team are poor in so many areas of their play. 

    Staying up was the goal this season, but the manner of which it has been achieved leaves much to be desired. Almost every other clubs fans, mock our style of play and some of our own fans would rather watch Pornhub, than endure 90 minutes of Charlton. 

    Jones stated beforehand that he wanted to see 'a performance'. Well I'd love to know his real views, not the post match watered down version. 

    The morning after the damp squib of a parade, I guess it's 50 points achieved. On to Ipswich. 
  • aki2798 said:
    Just listened to Jones’ post match on Cawley’s podcast. Even he seems to have given up. He just wants to crawl to safety and start rebuilding, he knows just how sub par these players are.
    If by ‘sub par’ you are saying the players are not good enough then I don’t agree but if you are saying the players are not firing on all cylinders then I do agree with that description of them. I’m not necessarily in the Jones out camp but I do think we are set up to fail each match and I wonder whether he has burnt himself out this season and in need of a good holiday to recharge his batteries. I think that scenario could well be what seems to be holding us back in games and feeds through to our gameplan. Nathan hit a wall last season with his constant chopping and changing of the line up. We were looking downwards at the relegation spaces. He eventually turned it around, basically picked the same line up every match and we went on a superb run, extended our season into the play offs, got to Wembley, won promotion and then had to play catch up for the start of a season in the Championship. This season was like running into a brick wall from match one and having to learn how to deal with it. The players were up to the challenge but it took its toll. It’s been a tough season for us to deal with, more so I suspect  for a bloke who constantly nervously bites his nails/fingers and sees his team in a rut of grinding out draws and regular defeats as we wind the season down and hope 3 teams below us fail to catch us up.

    We have 3 tough matches left. On paper I doubt we’ve got a chance of getting a single point out of any of them as things are going but I also think our ‘sub par’ players are more than capable of wiping their arses with that paper, stepping up and winning and drawing those remaining games. Something just needs to click.
  • aki2798 said:
    Just listened to Jones’ post match on Cawley’s podcast. Even he seems to have given up. He just wants to crawl to safety and start rebuilding, he knows just how sub par these players are.
    It really does give the players nothing to play for then. The must be really wanting to try hard with the knowledge they won’t be here next season. 
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 25,904
    This is a team that the parts are greater than the sum, and yes I have that the correct way round, they should be a lot better than they are displaying week after week, and that sits squarely on NJ's shoulders and the training tactics (if there is any) employed.
    Really hope we get over the line quick, so we can consign this season to the dark side...
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,451
    This is a team that the parts are greater than the sum, and yes I have that the correct way round, they should be a lot better than they are displaying week after week, and that sits squarely on NJ's shoulders and the training tactics (if there is any) employed.
    Really hope we get over the line quick, so we can consign this season to the dark side...
    Totally disagree, this is a league one team with a small number of ok to Champ players.