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POST-MATCH THREAD: Sheffield Wednesday v Charlton Athletic: Saturday 18th April 2026: KO 15:00
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looking at the table after the Ipswich and Middlesbrough match, the difference in goal difference between us and mid table is quite telling.That has to improve next year.2
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I’m hoping there’s sarcasm here because comparing Curbishleys record with Jones is an insult on the Charlton god .hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Jones is on a par with Curbishley? Don't remember anyone wanting Curbs to go....thickandthin63 said:Didnt see the game only Mannions cock up on highlights.Just a thought,some people saying Jones has taken us a s far as he can,and should be replaced.Seem to remember some people said the same about Curbishley when we finished 7th in the premier league.Be careful what you wish for.
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RaplhMilne said:Looks like we will have to sell Leaburn for the mega millions some believed he was worth, and rebuild the squad. Only one problem isn’t there ? I don’t think Maidstone or Ebbsfleet have that kind of money…..
Miles is a strange one as against Chelsea when we were totally outclassed Leaburn's touch and movement was top class but in this Charlton team that struggled to pass the ball on the deck in forward positions he is struggling big time.
Leaburn still needs to prove he is a Championship striker but I still think he can with the right partner alongside him and in a better passing side. I hope he hasn't grown too tall and this is making him slow off the mark
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he is so much quicker thinking than the rest of the team, you could see him getting wound up by it.Stig said:
I think that's Godden's greatest gift. He seems to always know where the goal is without having to look up. Whether he has magnificent peripheral vision or tremendous geo-positional memory I don't know, but I suspect quite possibly both. With any other player you'd be screaming at them to look when they're shooting so that there's a chance they might get it on target. With Godden it's a case of, well done lad - by not wasting time looking up you saved yourself half a second to get your shot away so no defender had time to intercept or block it. The other thing where he's head and shoulders above everyone on our team, and most of the opposition we come up against, is his ability to get a foot onto a seemingly lost ball and flick it somewhere useful, not just clog it away form the opposition, but to genuinely put it in an attacking position. Whatever happens and the end of this season, I hope we can keep hold of him and perhaps recruit some team mates for him with that sort of talent.WrightCharlie said:Didn't go yesterday and have only just watched the highlight reel. I was 'watching' the score live online and was absolutely gutted when their goal popped up on the feed, then I spent the next 15 minutes hoping, hoping for our 2nd goal to pop up and the 7 minutes or so of extra time hoping, hoping for the final score to be 1-1.
I can understand the booing, we've had several games now hoping and expecting us to 'easily' reach the safety zone...... too many where it's been not such great football and where it's been, ok next time then! When you're that disappointed what you really want to do is to have a conversation with the players and to understand what they're feeling and thinking...... and of course that's not feasible....... so, yes, I can understand some folks express their absolute disappointment by booing at a time when the disappointment is so raw.
Anyway, how the heck did Matty Godden 'see' that little bit of the goal to slot the ball into...... again!
And maybe........ stretching for a positive here....... avoiding the drop by only a few points rather than a fair few points may encourage the club to stretch the budget a bit more than they otherwise would.......making the last few results and performances a bit more palatable........?3 -
Also woke up with the exact same thought. Don't think it's the only problem but I do think they are feeling the pressure of getting it over the line. We saw Coventry essentially secure promotion and then limp to the finish in the last few games, including a draw with Sheff Wed. I think it's similar for us, they are desperate to get it done and feel the pressure especially against worse teams where there is more expectation. They looked like they were playing scared yesterday.fenlandaddick said:woke up with a heavy head. cold light of day I am convinced this is a confidence issue. after the goal , although not Real Madrid, they played with a bit more fluidity. Wednesday wrestled back possession and we sat in the edge of the box, waiting for trouble.I do not remember this pattern on play earlier in the season. I have no idea why the team does not press for another goal, pretty sure at Wednesday any other team would.Now considering Coventry drew, I assume Wednesday are playing a little better than before and that is another factor, or like us they were filled with nerves.It is another point, but we should have been way out of this. Still feels like a loss.if there are not wholesale improvements in the squad next year I'll bet on my Nan that we will go down.over to the owners, board and management team to sort this shit football out.
The only ray of hope with that is I think playing better teams brings less of that pressure, particularly having got to 50 points, and suits our style better. We can sit back more and hoof it more without it being such an issue and I do think we'll take a point or two from these last games.0 -
If we'd tried another way of playing I'm confident we'd be in the bottom 3. If we (and I think we will) stay up, it can only be considered a huge success with the players at his disposal.Chunes said:
I don't know what other kind of football we could play with this squad. They can't pass it five yards. There's very little pace. Our midfielders are demonstrably the worst in the league. I take some comfort in the fact NJ seems to know how much work this team needs.jimmymelrose said:
In my opinion it’s the manager, not the players. His football is so dire I’m surprised anybody goes.thenewbie said:
Effort? A bit of fight? Even the slightest sense that they know and understand that a win would essentially rubber stamp safety?jimmymelrose said:
What I don’t understand is what the fans who travelled up there are expecting. We play crap football and we never score more than one goal. Why go if you don’t accept that? I wouldn’t bloody go even if I could, and there’s nothing wrong with that when you really consider that the team would be better off with no fans there rather than being booed.TellyTubby said:
That wasn't a good performance by the team, but most of them put effort in, particularly Lloyd Jones as he always does.twiggyaddick said:
The booing, 100%.The Red Robin said:What was Lloyd Jones so angry about at the end? The fans for booing or his own teammates?
I can see why he would get pissed off with the booing, it's happening far too much lately. I know that it's always happened, but it must be demoralising to put your all in, get a point which is very helpful toward staying up, and your own fans slag you off.
The booing really doesn't help create a united front. I know that we all hoped for 3 points today, but please try to avoid the booing and save it for really deserving occasions. (If you have to boo).
Some people on here on every pre-match thread predict us to win 3-0, 2-1, 3-1. I don’t get it. Do they wake up each morning expecting to find their favourite actress in bed with them, or expecting to find a million quid under the teapot?
Early in the season we played crap football but compensated with lots of pressing and energy, stopping the other team playing either. That's become what we see now with a total lack of enthusiasm or spirit and apparently hoping to just hold on in a siege mentality (against a team with a literally negative point total.)
If there really is such a lack of fight, why is this? Do players already know they won’t be with us next year? Were they told six weeks ago that we’d already avoided relegation and so we can just leisurely see games out? Is yet another player in the NJ doghouse, this time Coventry, and some players are not happy about it?
It’s the manager I don’t trust or have confidence in, not the players.His football has limited us to fight and hard work and when players can’t reach those heights we have nothing left to offer.6 -
Was quite eye opening him starting yesterday. I still think Kelman will come good but I have been thinking all season it's not really his fault that he often affects games so little given our system. Matty showed what an experience striker with some nous can do in this system yesterday, he got on the ball a lot from the off, even if he was generally too isolated to make anything of it. He anticipates where to be for long balls and knock downs and is good in the air. Most importantly he always knows where to be in the opposition box and so gets more chances even in that awful attacking performance.Stig said:
I think that's Godden's greatest gift. He seems to always know where the goal is without having to look up. Whether he has magnificent peripheral vision or tremendous geo-positional memory I don't know, but I suspect quite possibly both. With any other player you'd be screaming at them to look when they're shooting so that there's a chance they might get it on target. With Godden it's a case of, well done lad - by not wasting time looking up you saved yourself half a second to get your shot away so no defender had time to intercept or block it. The other thing where he's head and shoulders above everyone on our team, and most of the opposition we come up against, is his ability to get a foot onto a seemingly lost ball and flick it somewhere useful, not just clog it away form the opposition, but to genuinely put it in an attacking position. Whatever happens and the end of this season, I hope we can keep hold of him and perhaps recruit some team mates for him with that sort of talent.WrightCharlie said:Didn't go yesterday and have only just watched the highlight reel. I was 'watching' the score live online and was absolutely gutted when their goal popped up on the feed, then I spent the next 15 minutes hoping, hoping for our 2nd goal to pop up and the 7 minutes or so of extra time hoping, hoping for the final score to be 1-1.
I can understand the booing, we've had several games now hoping and expecting us to 'easily' reach the safety zone...... too many where it's been not such great football and where it's been, ok next time then! When you're that disappointed what you really want to do is to have a conversation with the players and to understand what they're feeling and thinking...... and of course that's not feasible....... so, yes, I can understand some folks express their absolute disappointment by booing at a time when the disappointment is so raw.
Anyway, how the heck did Matty Godden 'see' that little bit of the goal to slot the ball into...... again!
And maybe........ stretching for a positive here....... avoiding the drop by only a few points rather than a fair few points may encourage the club to stretch the budget a bit more than they otherwise would.......making the last few results and performances a bit more palatable........?
Godden had 24 touches in 77 mins, with 7 touches in the opposition box. Just from memory but I think there have been several games (admittedly some probably against better teams) when Kelman only had about 7 touches total6 -
Hopefully the other clubs will mess up but can we rely on that? We seem to have hit a dip in form just as the others are perking or have perked up._uptheaddicks said:
@LenGlover....4 points!? Can't we just watch the other clubs do our work for us and stroll around?!LenGlover said:At least we didn’t lose which given the unfounded confidence some had for an easy victory would often have been typical of Charlton. 4 points needed from 3 games as things stand. A win today would/ should have pretty much guaranteed safety.
Do you think we're able to achieve that now?
If we can win one more match I'll probably be able to relax a bit.3 -
I remember hearing this talk about Curbs, even on local radio complaining that Curbs team was boring and we should change managermogodon said:
I sat next to one guy in the West Stand in 2006 - he’d appeared that season and from listening to him week in week out I suspect he’d been a lifelong fan since our second promotion in 2000 - who loudly and endlessly told everyone how Curbs had taken us as far as he could and we needed a big name for our seemingly inevitable European adventures. That ended well and as for the fan, he disappeared around the time Dowie didSuedeAdidas said:
Not this again ffs.thickandthin63 said:Didnt see the game only Mannions cock up on highlights.Just a thought,some people saying Jones has taken us a s far as he can,and should be replaced.Seem to remember some people said the same about Curbishley when we finished 7th in the premier league.Be careful what you wish for.I may be in the minority but I personally did not know one fan who wanted Curbs to go.
REMEMBER, beware what you wish for, for those who want NJ out.6 -
I was just replying to the original poster who seems to think losing Jones warrants a comparison with when Curbishley left. Curbishley obviously knew how to manage whereas many remain unconvinced by the 'anti-football' Jones.oohaahmortimer said:
I’m hoping there’s sarcasm here because comparing Curbishleys record with Jones is an insult on the Charlton god .hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Jones is on a par with Curbishley? Don't remember anyone wanting Curbs to go....thickandthin63 said:Didnt see the game only Mannions cock up on highlights.Just a thought,some people saying Jones has taken us a s far as he can,and should be replaced.Seem to remember some people said the same about Curbishley when we finished 7th in the premier league.Be careful what you wish for.
Jones had 1.5 seasons against the pub teams in the third tier and the other was mixing with real football teams in the top flight for plenty of seasons
The board should have given Curbs better backing. Our decline started with the appointment of the clown Dowie.
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Before reading the rest of the posts, this was something I was going to highlight and it's an excellent point mate.bobmunro said:We all chose a team (some had it forced on them - sorry sons) where fame and glory were going to be in very short supply. But... how fucking bad are we?There should be an element of enjoyment, surely? Look around the squad and nobody seems to be enjoying playing football - very few smiles, body language says to me "I hate this game" when they are playing, PLAYING, and for a good living as well. Jones seems to me to spend 90 minutes or more a week self-flagellating.Supporting Charlton at the moment (and for some time) is utterly joyless, and I am getting more and more wound up by it.
We don't seem like a team that actually enjoy the experience and we are lacking in mentality monsters.
When we lose no one looks furious or tries to 'gee' anyone up, other than the soft effort Greg Docherty makes. None of our players play with much confidence or a smile.
It's almost like there is so much pressure in not making mistakes or losing the game, players aren't actually enjoying themselves.
As you say it's joyless currently. If Charlton have ambitions of increasing our average attendance and generally attracting new fans, big changes are needed. No neutrals are coming back to watch that shit. There's a lot better to do on weekends unless you're hardcore for the club.10 -
I'm for giving Will some more chances.
We need more pace all over the pitch, especially out wide. We need decent WBs if we play 3-5-2 and I think we cannot afford them.
Go back to 4-4-2 Nathan for last three games. And none of our current midfield should be playing next season. Try Zach, Mwamba, Gough, Fullah, Dixon or non-regulars JRC or Knibbs.
Mannion
Ramsay
Sichenje
Jones
Bell
Mitchell/Gough
Fullah
TC
Fevrier/Dixon
Godden
Leaburn/Kelman
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That’s fair @RonnieMoore but I maintain that, over 32 league games, the stat I quoted is valid.RonnieMoore said:
We played a way to stay up .. nothing more nothing less if we had tired to attack this league we would be relegated … our clean sheet record is excellent our away form (7 unbeaten ) is superb …… we could not come into this league thinking we could match anyone cause we could not that’s why all the predications had us finishing bottom fact is we not been in the bottom 3 at all and now we we are 99.9% safe .. NJ as already said we will be more positive especially at home next season and our recruitment will show this …fans need a reality check and quickly our aim was 4th from bottom at all costs ….this is our biggest archivement in our history staying in a league that is so financially unfair and unbalancedMacronate said:Since 21st October when we beat Ipswich, we’ve scored more than 1 goal twice and in one of those Leicester had a red card after 15 minutes.
That is genuinely pathetic.
I was 💯 for Jones’s appointment and remain behind him because it seems that we will stay up. But that stat above is not sustainable or acceptable.
It would be a big achievement to stay in this league but not the biggest in our history.
As I said, I remain behind NJ and I just hope the owners give him proper backing in the transfer market, should we stay up.1 -
Any lifers see any changes being made for Wednesday other than someone in for Clarke....Don't really want Burke but who replaces Clarke unless we go 442?0
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On the subject of Carey's miss, it wasn't a sitter but it was a good chance that a player in that area should have finished. The reason people are so annoyed about it is because Carey has contributed absolutely nothing recently and did the same again yesterday. If your sole contribution to the team as a midfielder is being able to pop up and get the goal that gets us the points then you'd better make sure you finish your chances4
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Fevrier at RWB and hopefully Sichenje at RCB. If Ramsay is fit he plays RWBpeterreeves said:Any lifers see any changes being made for Wednesday other than someone in for Clarke....Don't really want Burke but who replaces Clarke unless we go 442?1 -
Sheffield Wednesday would have finished adrift of the entire division regardless of the points deduction and Leicester may well finish more than six points below Charlton - in which case the two deductions will have had zero effect on our season.
This has been an unusually strong Championship with only Oxford really punching above their weight. It’s also clearly true that the league in general has got stronger over the last decade. Staying up is everything and while I’d have loved to see us push on over the last six games, survival is all that matters this season.
I can see why Lloyd Jones responded angrily, but I doubt if anyone was booing him. It is sheer frustration that some of us had to fight our way through train chaos to get there and when we do Charlton still can’t beat the weakest team in the division and let’s be honest did not deserve to do so. It is the six games without a win. And it is fear of what comes next. I didn’t boo but I do understand those who did. Still don’t think it’s 1972.29 -
I didn't know about Lloyd Jones' reaction until I heard abt it from a lad at the station post match. Not being funny, but he needs to wind that in. Hes been great this season, but has struggled in our recent run of poor form along with the rest of them. Fans have a right to boo and I did at the final whistle cause that was yet another half arsed performance.
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I rest my case.ross1 said:
I remember hearing this talk about Curbs, even on local radio complaining that Curbs team was boring and we should change managermogodon said:
I sat next to one guy in the West Stand in 2006 - he’d appeared that season and from listening to him week in week out I suspect he’d been a lifelong fan since our second promotion in 2000 - who loudly and endlessly told everyone how Curbs had taken us as far as he could and we needed a big name for our seemingly inevitable European adventures. That ended well and as for the fan, he disappeared around the time Dowie didSuedeAdidas said:
Not this again ffs.thickandthin63 said:Didnt see the game only Mannions cock up on highlights.Just a thought,some people saying Jones has taken us a s far as he can,and should be replaced.Seem to remember some people said the same about Curbishley when we finished 7th in the premier league.Be careful what you wish for.I may be in the minority but I personally did not know one fan who wanted Curbs to go.
REMEMBER, beware what you wish for, for those who want NJ out.0 -
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For a manager who always wants everyone to be the best version of themselves, I don’t feel that NJ concentrates enough on players’ strengths. It’s crazy to be heading into the last three games not knowing our best side / settled partnerships. It is telling that the three players almost everyone thinks are Championship class are almost ever present when fit as the central back line - Bell / Jones / Ramsay.We don’t have a settled midfield or forwards hence constant variables. Players like Leaburn, Campbell and Kelman have been in and out of the team in two cases and asked to play here there and everywhere in Campbell’s case. Sometimes absences are down to injury of course, but NJ also loves to tinker.No wonder we are so inconsistent.11
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Every single team in this Division has long ago figured us out...go 1-0 down..hey, no problem, apply pressure and yep, guaranteed we'll (inevitably) crack. Grab an early goal and we are (inevitably) there for the taking....match after match etc, etc.6
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Including worst of the flat feeding worst Wendies...wow.0
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Ramsay RWB, Sicheje Jones Bell in the middle, Chambers LWBpeterreeves said:Any lifers see any changes being made for Wednesday other than someone in for Clarke....Don't really want Burke but who replaces Clarke unless we go 442?2 -
Curbs did not leave because the Board didn’t back him.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I was just replying to the original poster who seems to think losing Jones warrants a comparison with when Curbishley left. Curbishley obviously knew how to manage whereas many remain unconvinced by the 'anti-football' Jones.oohaahmortimer said:
I’m hoping there’s sarcasm here because comparing Curbishleys record with Jones is an insult on the Charlton god .hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Jones is on a par with Curbishley? Don't remember anyone wanting Curbs to go....thickandthin63 said:Didnt see the game only Mannions cock up on highlights.Just a thought,some people saying Jones has taken us a s far as he can,and should be replaced.Seem to remember some people said the same about Curbishley when we finished 7th in the premier league.Be careful what you wish for.
Jones had 1.5 seasons against the pub teams in the third tier and the other was mixing with real football teams in the top flight for plenty of seasons
The board should have given Curbs better backing. Our decline started with the appointment of the clown Dowie.1 -
It's very very edgy right now - but we all know it'll all be forgiven the moment we are safe - if we make it that far.
We all know that large amount of funds need to be spent to compete next year and we will find out exactly how committed the owners are to this project in the summer.
The issue is that we have all been on edge for 6 weeks straight - our nervous systems are all shot to pieces and we resent that we have to go through this constantly with this club.
It doesn't help that all the commentators are saying we are safe and have done for weeks now - we are all too experienced in the ways of Charlton to know it is not over until mathematically we are safe.
There are no answers - it's grip and grin and see if NJ can get us over the line.
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Staying up, going down...
How about playing some football..?2 -
If we tried that we would either:
a) win a game easily and be safe or
b) lose all our remaining games by 4 and be relegated
Given the way Jones thinks, no chance we will risk b) so be prepared for more dire attritional football looking to jammy a few chances and hoping to Godden one falls to Him and He puts it in the back of the net1 -
I think we are most likely safe but they will need 6 not 7 as it would mean we lose our last three and they would gain goals and be above us on GD.DistantAddick said:Gave myself some time to cool off before posting this.
Honestly, it was a poor performance all over the pitch — we looked disinterested, flat, and at times completely out of ideas.The substitutions frustrated me. When we went 1-0 up, TC should have come on to stretch the game and kill it off. Instead we sat back, invited pressure, and got exactly what we deserved. Albeit TC did look totally off it for his cameo, personally think he is the sort of player that needs to settle into a game. Coming on at 80mins is pointless.I also think the disrespect towards Sheffield Wednesday on here is unwarranted. They drew with Coventry last week and have been a tough nut to crack all season — credit where it’s due.But let’s all just take a breath. Oxford need 7 points from their last 9, which I don’t think they’ll manage. And I can see us picking up 1-2 points in our remaining games, which should be enough to see us safe.The football has been dross and most of this squad look League One at best — but we will be watching Championship football next season. I’ll watch crap football all season if it means another year in the championship4 -
Yet another person who fails to comprehend the concept of a forum such as Charlton Life.Croydon said:Good to see we've got fans who weren't there telling fans who were how they should react at the final whistle.
If you're just following the score on your phone or watching from your sofa, you just aren't as emotionally invested as someone who's spent hours of their time and hundreds of pounds to be there in the flesh.
Sorry if that touches some nerves, but it's true.
This isn't intended to be an echo chamber, it's for debate and to share views, those views don't need to be the same.
I've been to plenty of matches over decades and I guess that I have booed a team performance in the past, although I cant recall when, I've also cheered them off after conceding 7 goals.
You may feel better for booing the team, but do you think this is a way to motivate the players?
I'm not saying that we should never boo a team, or individual performance, but it should be used for times when players are not giving their all. If we boo them simply for not winning, the message doesn't get through when they really do need a kick up the arse.
We're all desperate to stay up this season, most of us on here are passionate about the club. We just have different ideas on how we move forward, that's what makes CL interesting.16
