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  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 30,334

    Scottish FA Statement.



    We note the contents of Heart of Midlothian's statement yesterday and accompanying letter signed by the club Chair, Calum Paterson. In the interests of transparency, we are happy to set out the facts.

    Regarding references to a 'premature ending of the match', the Scottish FA's Chief Governance Officer, Gary Booth, the Head of Refereeing, William Collum, and VAR Manager Martin Atkinson reviewed the audio-visual footage of the period in question on Monday at the club's request, with Mr Paterson in attendance.

    While it was the agreed intention for this meeting to be conducted privately, recent statements have compelled us to consider the public interest in providing clarification and chronology.

    To that end, we are happy to publish the relevant audio-visual footage.

    It was made clear at that meeting that the match official, Don Robertson, took the correct action in ending the game.

    We note there has been speculation regarding the blowing of a final whistle. The Laws of the Game require the referee to signal the end of the match, but do not prescribe the method of that signal. 

    In the context of what unfolded – which is verified by the footage and the Match Incident Report submitted to the Scottish FA – the match official clearly communicated that the match was ended and not abandoned.

    In addition, the match clock does not stop when a goal is scored. The footage shows that when the match official confirms the game has ended, the clock is at 53.07 [98.07], more than the minimum additional time of eight minutes signalled.

    It was also apparent from the audio that this decision was taken following dialogue with the Hearts Head Coach, who had intimated concerns over player safety.

    For the avoidance of doubt, Law 5 of the IFAB Laws of the Game state that 'the decisions of the referee regarding facts connected with play are final'.

    We fully support the decisive action taken by Don Robertson and his team to end the game.


  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 30,334
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    guinnessaddick said:
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    guinnessaddick said:
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    guinnessaddick said:
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    redman said:
    Am I right in saying that the referee hadn't blown the final whistle in either of Celtic's last 2 games before there were pitch invasions which effectively ended the games? 
    Correct, they also assaulted the Hearts players. It'll be forgotten about in a few days.
    Did they? If they did, it would be all over social media.
    If so, anyone should be prosecuted. 


    It's all over social media.
    Video evidence of the assaults?
    Loads. It's being investigated by police Scotland and Hearts are reported their players were assaulted. Interesting how you know nothing about it yet are able to find various angles of a dubious penalty decision.
    The only thing I’ve seen, is a fan who shouldn’t be on the pitch running up to shankland, the player defending himself by pushing the fan. Not sure it that counts as a hearts player being assaulted.
    From this day on you will be known as Arsène.
    Found a clip of an assault of a hearts player, being pushed after the player knocked the fans phone out of his hand and then stamped on the phone, along with 2 hearts players having a selfie with a couple of female Celtic fans. 


    Interesting it’s not an offence to run onto a football pitch in Scotland. 

    Anyway unlike Arsene, I’ll zip it now.
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,817
    Gisappointed said:
    redman said:
    Am I right in saying that the referee hadn't blown the final whistle in either of Celtic's last 2 games before there were pitch invasions which effectively ended the games? 
    I'd say 3 point deduction incoming.
    Even worse, the KMI have now confimed Celtic's penalty deep into injury time in their penultimate match should not have been awared - ref didn't award it in real-time.

    So as it was deep into injury time it's not likely they'd have scored again so should have drawn

    That meant they'd have needed to beat Heats by 3 goals in the last game. They didn't, but of course may have plaued a bit differently if they'd had to. And it seems the match didn't even finish as it wasn't restarted after the pitch invasion when it should have.
  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 8,280
    PrincessFiona said:
    Gisappointed said:
    redman said:
    Am I right in saying that the referee hadn't blown the final whistle in either of Celtic's last 2 games before there were pitch invasions which effectively ended the games? 
    I'd say 3 point deduction incoming.
    Even worse, the KMI have now confimed Celtic's penalty deep into injury time in their penultimate match should not have been awared - ref didn't award it in real-time.

    So as it was deep into injury time it's not likely they'd have scored again so should have drawn

    That meant they'd have needed to beat Heats by 3 goals in the last game. They didn't, but of course may have plaued a bit differently if they'd had to. And it seems the match didn't even finish as it wasn't restarted after the pitch invasion when it should have.
    Quit bleating and face up to the incoming double. Hail, hail.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 30,334
    edited May 23
    PrincessFiona said:
    Gisappointed said:
    redman said:
    Am I right in saying that the referee hadn't blown the final whistle in either of Celtic's last 2 games before there were pitch invasions which effectively ended the games? 
    I'd say 3 point deduction incoming.
    Even worse, the KMI have now confimed Celtic's penalty deep into injury time in their penultimate match should not have been awared - ref didn't award it in real-time.

    So as it was deep into injury time it's not likely they'd have scored again so should have drawn

    That meant they'd have needed to beat Heats by 3 goals in the last game. They didn't, but of course may have plaued a bit differently if they'd had to. And it seems the match didn't even finish as it wasn't restarted after the pitch invasion when it should have.
    A 3 man panel voted 2-1 for it not being a penalty. Also said that Hearts goal against Rangers shouldn’t have stood ( win becomes a draw) , along with  a St. Mirren goal should have stood against Hearts ( draw becomes a lose). 

    Based on that, Celtic still win the league.


  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 19,263
    The KMI also said that Hearts should have had the penalty at Motherwell as well
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,817
    guinnessaddick said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    Gisappointed said:
    redman said:
    Am I right in saying that the referee hadn't blown the final whistle in either of Celtic's last 2 games before there were pitch invasions which effectively ended the games? 
    I'd say 3 point deduction incoming.
    Even worse, the KMI have now confimed Celtic's penalty deep into injury time in their penultimate match should not have been awared - ref didn't award it in real-time.

    So as it was deep into injury time it's not likely they'd have scored again so should have drawn

    That meant they'd have needed to beat Heats by 3 goals in the last game. They didn't, but of course may have plaued a bit differently if they'd had to. And it seems the match didn't even finish as it wasn't restarted after the pitch invasion when it should have.
    A 3 man panel voted 2-1 for it not being a penalty. Also said that Hearts goal against Rangers shouldn’t have stood ( win becomes a draw) , along with  a St. Mirren goal should have stood against Hearts ( draw becomes a lose). 

    Based on that, Celtic still win the league.



    bolloxbolder said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    Gisappointed said:
    redman said:
    Am I right in saying that the referee hadn't blown the final whistle in either of Celtic's last 2 games before there were pitch invasions which effectively ended the games? 
    I'd say 3 point deduction incoming.
    Even worse, the KMI have now confimed Celtic's penalty deep into injury time in their penultimate match should not have been awared - ref didn't award it in real-time.

    So as it was deep into injury time it's not likely they'd have scored again so should have drawn

    That meant they'd have needed to beat Heats by 3 goals in the last game. They didn't, but of course may have plaued a bit differently if they'd had to. And it seems the match didn't even finish as it wasn't restarted after the pitch invasion when it should have.
    Quit bleating and face up to the incoming double. Hail, hail.
    I'm not bleating at all as neutral. My dad was a Hibee (not Catholic) - he was one of the most objective people I've ever known so whilst he wouldn't have been happy about Hearts winning, he'd want it to be fair
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,817
    guinnessaddick said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    Gisappointed said:
    redman said:
    Am I right in saying that the referee hadn't blown the final whistle in either of Celtic's last 2 games before there were pitch invasions which effectively ended the games? 
    I'd say 3 point deduction incoming.
    Even worse, the KMI have now confimed Celtic's penalty deep into injury time in their penultimate match should not have been awared - ref didn't award it in real-time.

    So as it was deep into injury time it's not likely they'd have scored again so should have drawn

    That meant they'd have needed to beat Heats by 3 goals in the last game. They didn't, but of course may have plaued a bit differently if they'd had to. And it seems the match didn't even finish as it wasn't restarted after the pitch invasion when it should have.
    A 3 man panel voted 2-1 for it not being a penalty. Also said that Hearts goal against Rangers shouldn’t have stood ( win becomes a draw) , along with  a St. Mirren goal should have stood against Hearts ( draw becomes a lose). 

    Based on that, Celtic still win the league.


    No, because Hearts should have had a penalty against Motherwell - you forgot that one
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 30,334
    edited May 23
    VAR didn’t cost Hearts the league, taking 5 points from 21, whilst Celtic took 21, did.
    Their only win in that run was against 9 men.



    This miss also cost them the title.
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,817
    guinnessaddick said:
    VAR didn’t cost Hearts the league, taking 5 points from 21, whilst Celtic took 21, did.
    Their only win in that run was against 9 men.



    This miss also cost them the title.
    No it didn't. VAR did. That miss wouldn't have mattered

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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 86,301
    Celtic 3 up in cup final
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 30,334
    edited May 23
    PrincessFiona said:
    guinnessaddick said:
    VAR didn’t cost Hearts the league, taking 5 points from 21, whilst Celtic took 21, did.
    Their only win in that run was against 9 men.



    This miss also cost them the title.
    No it didn't. VAR did. That miss wouldn't have mattered


    The KMI panel consists of an ex ref, an ex player and a media person.  
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 30,334
    Henry Irving said:
    Celtic 3 up in cup final
    3-1 now with 10 minutes to go.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 86,301
    guinnessaddick said:
    Henry Irving said:
    Celtic 3 up in cup final
    3-1 now with 10 minutes to go.
    Pars doing well.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 86,301

  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 23,724
    Impressed they let the game finish this time.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 30,334
    North Lower Neil said:
    Impressed they let the game finish this time.
    Yeah, I was waiting for the commentator to say there some people on the pitch, they think it’s all over.
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,817
    edited May 23
    guinnessaddick said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    guinnessaddick said:
    VAR didn’t cost Hearts the league, taking 5 points from 21, whilst Celtic took 21, did.
    Their only win in that run was against 9 men.



    This miss also cost them the title.
    No it didn't. VAR did. That miss wouldn't have mattered


    The KMI panel consists of an ex ref, an ex player and a media person.  
    The timing and context of the decisions is a factor, not jus teh number. But I suspect you don't want to consider that due to the incorrect penalty decision in favour of Celtic in the penultimate game. I get it, you are in denial - I bet you think the Celtic supporter's behaviour was and always is exemplary!
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,523
    North Lower Neil said:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c4g9ww4p09do

    The SPFL has confirmed Celtic's title-clinching victory over Hearts on Saturday was not brought to a premature conclusion

    Definitely was, though, wasn't it?  Given they scored at 97.26 when there was a minimum of 8 minutes injury time.  But that will be that.

    Get them all together and play the last 33 seconds. Double will do almost a treble. Better than last week's cracking top tier final. 
  • Chaz Hill
    Chaz Hill Posts: 5,259
    Another busy night for the 'Polis' no doubt .....

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  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,817
    Chippycafc said:
    North Lower Neil said:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c4g9ww4p09do

    The SPFL has confirmed Celtic's title-clinching victory over Hearts on Saturday was not brought to a premature conclusion

    Definitely was, though, wasn't it?  Given they scored at 97.26 when there was a minimum of 8 minutes injury time.  But that will be that.

    Get them all together and play the last 33 seconds. Double will do almost a treble. Better than last week's cracking top tier final. 
    Rules are rules though and 90 + 8 is definitely more than 97.anything.

    Shame about the incorrect VAR decision and the ref forgetting to blow the full-time whistle
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 30,334
    PrincessFiona said:
    guinnessaddick said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    guinnessaddick said:
    VAR didn’t cost Hearts the league, taking 5 points from 21, whilst Celtic took 21, did.
    Their only win in that run was against 9 men.



    This miss also cost them the title.
    No it didn't. VAR did. That miss wouldn't have mattered


    The KMI panel consists of an ex ref, an ex player and a media person.  
    The timing and context of the decisions is a factor, not jus teh number. But I suspect you don't want to consider that due to the incorrect penalty decision in favour of Celtic in the penultimate game. I get it, you are in denial - I bet you think the Celtic supporter's behaviour was and always is exemplary!
    Read back, I said the fans shouldn’t have been on the pitch, also any fan found assaulting a player should be dealt with.
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,817
    guinnessaddick said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    guinnessaddick said:
    PrincessFiona said:
    guinnessaddick said:
    VAR didn’t cost Hearts the league, taking 5 points from 21, whilst Celtic took 21, did.
    Their only win in that run was against 9 men.



    This miss also cost them the title.
    No it didn't. VAR did. That miss wouldn't have mattered


    The KMI panel consists of an ex ref, an ex player and a media person.  
    The timing and context of the decisions is a factor, not jus teh number. But I suspect you don't want to consider that due to the incorrect penalty decision in favour of Celtic in the penultimate game. I get it, you are in denial - I bet you think the Celtic supporter's behaviour was and always is exemplary!
    Read back, I said the fans shouldn’t have been on the pitch, also any fan found assaulting a player should be dealt with.
    It's a lot more than that
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 30,096
    edited May 23
    After what can be said that Celtic have had an unsettled season they still come out of it with two trophies.
    The joys of the SPL and Scottish football.
  • PrincessFiona
    PrincessFiona Posts: 5,817
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    After what can be said that Celtic have had an unsettled season they still come out of it with two trophies.
    The joys of the SPL and Scottish football.
    The joys of something (it seems)
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 30,334

  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 14,069
    edited May 24
    On 606 5 live there was a Dunfermline fan bigging up them on reaching the final but also cos he now lives in South East London mentioned proudly our Women's team winning the play off which was being overlooked by those in the studio. 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 37,340
    Just read that Dunfermline's wage bill for the entire club is less than half of what Kieran Tierney earns at Celtic.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 86,301
    On this day in 1967, Celtic won the European Cup in Lisbon. 12 men born within 30 miles of Celtic Park defeated Helenio Herrera’s Inter Milan to become the first non-Latin team to win the trophy. The greatest achievement by a Scottish club. Immortal
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