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Free Kicks
MuttleyCAFC
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The 2 goals we conceeded from free kicks on Saturday reminded me of something that really frustrates me - and that is not putting a man on the line for free kicks. Curbishley employed this tactic and over many years I can only remember conceeding directly from a free kick once- a perfect Henry blaster at home to Arsenal. There may have been one or two other occasions but it is cklear that conceeding was extremely rare and remember, Curbishley's games were against superior opposition whoi you would expect to have better free kick takers. So I wonder given just pure statistics, why Chrissy doesn't remove the keeper's preference option and impose this mathamatically proved tactic. I know statistics don't mean much in everything but this is one area where the evidence is so compelling it is foolish to ignore it.
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I knew exactly where the 2nd free kick was gonna go, just thought it would be henry not bouazza. Someone should be on the post, keeper off his line a touch.0
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It makes so much sense putting man on the post. You don't have 10 men in the wall so use someone on the goal line. Without anyone on the post it's just inviting someone to stick it in that big gap0
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Elliot doesn't like men on his line - same goes for corners doesn't like men on the posts -0
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....thats why we conceed free kicks and corners a lot!0
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Strange that I was copying that Arsenal game from tape to DVD earlier today - hardly a blaster from henry but perfectly bent around the wall - when he kicked it looked like it was going 2 yards wide.
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Elliot doesn't like men on his line - same goes for corners doesn't like men on the posts -
I imagine most keepers don't like defenders on their line, but frankly, the manager should tell them to learn to live with it!0 -
Ashley Cole basically lives on the line whenever the opposition has a free kick against Chelsea and the amount of times he's cleared off the line is insane. He's only about 5 ft 9 (so he'd never get in our team) but he clears with his head as well as his feet and sometimes the ball just ricochets off him but every time it prevents a goal. Some keepers don't like players in the way and don't like how it invites strikers closer to the goal when they'd normally be offside but I've always thought that's a small sacrifice to make to stop a player lining up a shot a keeper could never get to
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i cant agree more, always stick a man on the line for corners and free kicks, so what if he potentially plays someone onside for a knock in - at least he'll be there bearing down on the opposition player0
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if you put a man on the line though, it leads to goals like that one against arsenal where bergkamp can exploit the no offside by standing in front of kiely, preventing his vision of the ball, then what would we say?0
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If you watch from free kicks the player who stands on the post normally makes a late move there preventing players from camping in front of the keeper0
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Elliot's choice not to have people on the line or posts.
Big mistake and a decision that needs reviewing.0 -
With the signing of Hamer, sounds like it is being reviewed!
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I agree it can lead to goals scored in different ways but racking my brain trying to think of ones - I think the long ball game is justified by the use of percentages (the number of toiuches to score a goal) and I think in this case percentages lie as good football will overcome the long ball, but free kicks is one area wherethe facts don't lie IMO. I can undertsand why keepers don't want anybody on their line but with close free kicks they put themselves in positions that they can't do anything about the well taken ones. A player on th eline makes the area the taker has to aim at about 70% smaller -that puts a few off even attempting it. I think Elliot is a good keeper but maybe not such a good mathematician, somebody just needs to tell him to embrace it. i'm sure Curbishley told his keepers and it is wrong to pick on Robbie as so many keepers have the same approach.
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Shaun Bartlett was the man on the post for a while, remember he had a spell where he saved more goals than scored with headers of the line.0
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You always have to have a man on the line I have no idea why we don't and it cost us a number of times last season . I always scream at them to do it but they never listen. : (0
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I know fans have asked Powell a few times and his reponse is as has been alluded to already -he leaves it to the keepers. Just wish somebody would do the maths!
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I know fans have asked Powell a few times and his reponse is as has been alluded to already -he leaves it to the keepers. Just wish somebody would do the maths!
Stuff keeping the keepers happy. Either do as you're told or find someone else wearing the pink jersey (about the campest threat ever uttered in football).
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I was thinking this exact thing before Bouazza stepped up and placed it in the top corner. Could just see there was so much spare space, and with a man on the post it's is dramatically cut.
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agreed .. unless the keeper is a stone cold cert to get any ball coming into the box .. and Elliott is not such a keeper unfortunatelyElliot doesn't like men on his line - same goes for corners doesn't like men on the posts -
I imagine most keepers don't like defenders on their line, but frankly, the manager should tell them to learn to live with it!
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Just seen the highlights on Lion Player and Taylor was on the line ,but neither he or Robbie moved.0
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Elliot doesn't like men on his line - same goes for corners doesn't like men on the posts -
Haha
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Haaaaaaaaa you bellend0
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Regarding corner kicks, this is from the secret footballer column in the Guardian:
"Anyone can navigate a giant iPad, sliding faces of famous players around with their pinkie while throwing out phrases like "Third man run" and other such rubbish. What particularly riles me is when you hear a pundit or co-commentator say something like, "I can't understand, Martin, why Drogba is not on the post here. That header would have fallen to him and if I'm Petr Cech I'm saying: 'Go on son, clear that off the line for me!'"
The fact is corners are routinely cleared by a man stationed on the six-yard line, exactly where Chelsea position Didier Drogba. If somebody scores inside that post it is for no other reason than a player having lost his man. That is the mistake. If there is a player on the post he will clear one, possibly two shots off the line a season. If that same player stands on the six-yard line he will probably clear 100 corners away over the course of the season.
The worst thing, though, is when this dross gets into popular culture and my friends start saying stupid things to me like, "We should have a man on the post, our manager doesn't know what he's doing", just because it sounds like the right thing to say. It's such an easy way of analysing that it infuriates me. It's lazy and it takes you, the viewer, for a fool. But, then again, Sky is an expert in creating a villain."
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The chances are that the opponents are not going to have all 10 outfield players in the penalty box unless it's a last minute, all-or-nothing attack. You will have spare men and there is no reason why you can't put several guys on the 6 yard line and still have someone on the post.
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The Spanish national team have a good way of defending corners. They leave 3 up, forcing the opposition to have 4 back. This means there are on average 4 fewer players in the box (assuming you leave 1 up and the opposition 2 back, it's 6 fewer players if you routinely pull all your players back to defend a corner).
This gives the opposition fewer targets to aim for in the box, and with less of a crowd makes it far easier for the keeper to come and claim.
In this scenario the attacking team will likely only have 4 players in the box and 1 on the edge. The defending team will have 6 defenders in the box (so 2 spare, 1 for the post and 1 for the edge of the 6 yard box) and 1 defending on the edge.
It also means that when the ball is cleared there is more chance of it finding one of their own players, thus making it less likely it's going to come straight back.
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I've never understood the logic of bringing every player back to defend a corner, unless it's simply to crowd the box denying space.
Not only are opponents queued up in and around your box, within shooting distance - but you've no outlet of your own to relieve pressure and counter attack. Even a long hoofed clearance upfield is just a gift to the oppo, as they come straight back at you.
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Just watched them, the first one is crap keeping, it's gone in towards the middle of the goal, he's gambled far too early on Henry putting it in a corner, and it's flown in centrally.
The second, I think Taylor is at fault, unless he didn't see it0 -
I've never understood the logic of bringing every player back to defend a corner, unless it's simply to crowd the box denying space.
Not only are opponents queued up in and around your box, within shooting distance - but you've no outlet of your own to relieve pressure and counter attack. Even a long hoofed clearance upfield is just a gift to the oppo, as they come straight back at you.
Nor me. Invites pressure on any cleared ball and makes it very difficult for defenders to stay with their attacker due to the shear number of bodies in the box. Goalkeeper is stifled in coming for the ball. At least two upfield for me.0 -
Anyone remember Scott Minto's goal line clearance again Leeds away years ago whilst injured ... That's what I'm talking about ha0
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Anyone remember Scott Minto's goal line clearance again Leeds away years ago whilst injured ... That's what I'm talking about ha
was he lying on the floor injured (smoking a cigar)0
